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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. Hugo Kirby and ? ( can't remember his name! ) were the co- owners, Bob Fisher was asked to drive it, I got a call from Fish on the Monday and flew to Japan on Friday! Hugo would remember I'm sure - think I've got his email somewhere....also memorable was one of them throwing up over the back just before the start of race - big night it had been:) Hell of cast of entrants though - Hughie Treharne and other reprobates on SeaPly, John Kolius and many others... Careful there..that would be a Rule 26 infraction. SeaFlyer if you please. Correct - they had to change the name there:) Bit harsh with the Japanese full works teams well in evidence! We were all a bit envious to see their boats taken over by a team of white suited shore crew at the end of each race...
  2. Hugo Kirby and ? ( can't remember his name! ) were the co- owners, Bob Fisher was asked to drive it, I got a call from Fish on the Monday and flew to Japan on Friday! Hugo would remember I'm sure - think I've got his email somewhere....also memorable was one of them throwing up over the back just before the start of race - big night it had been:) Hell of cast of entrants though - Hughie Treharne and other reprobates on SeaPly, John Kolius and many others...
  3. Wings! Did the Sajima Worlds with The Fish and the two owners - was an epic series and very possibly the best ever. Long race was fun, racing between unlit islands in the middle of the night and full on thunderstorm...Fish comes back up having had a few hours off after just about getting knocked out...."where we going?"...pitch black and blowing a bit...bang and lightning flash showed up the islands..." head for the gap Fish!" Endless stories from that regatta - some repeatable, some best not:) Playing football with a lighted flare on top of the hotel at the end of the saki evening...low parapet...still got the saki barrel too! Wild racing though, Kolius nearly drowned trapped under the wires when the boat tacked on him, lots of retirements and general carnage.
  4. Maverick - mainsheet trimmer lost two fingers in a FU so they had to pull out and head for Nevis and land him.
  5. Excessive leeway?? Let me correct you, DSS foil has the lift vector arranged to be approx vertical at normal sailing angles, so has no effect on leeway.
  6. Send money first and join the waiting list:)
  7. Yes Michi has been racing lake of Zurich and doing very nicely thank you, check his website...
  8. Around and available, would be perfect base under new rules asits the lightest mini out there, v quick if it goes light, foils will do the work and could cant as wellif you wanted todo more than the transat. Tra sat only then fixed keel and keep it light light light.
  9. Pleased to say that this is the beginning of an ongoing collaboration for DSS with SeaAir, and foils derived from my Q23 developments.
  10. The deck spreaders are quite famous for catching stuff and getting damaged in the IMOCA fleet. They have ended several VG AFAIK. The IMOCA ones are all cable braced and the cable itself is low on the hull for the attachment and hence is vulnerable to passing objects. Brett has borrowed the idea for solid deck wings from the fully researched 100 I did way back as enc pic.
  11. You'll have to excuse me if I don't elaborate in detail on the foil geometry, but it's not that straightforward as to how and why it's configured in this way, and the 3d was an early look at how the geometries of boat/structure/foil might interact - a lot different in final build. However a key issue is that we don't try to combine lift/RM with sideforce as the Imocas have done, as this leads into some undesirable characteristics which they have certainly discovered by now! So structurally of course the loads are maxed at the hull exit and the foils themselves have to live with this and that is part of the loops you have to go around on foil sizing for structural as well as hydro reasons. Don't want taper as such as we want to maximise the RM. I don't care about a tiny portion of the foil being outside the hull when housed - even on the Q28 with quite a chunk exposed it was hard to see the speed cost in the lighter airs and there are more pressing reasons to keep as it is.
  12. This early development pic might make the foils a bit clearer as to how the are housed - these are simple line driven although for the Farr 53 they are intending to have the single classic DSS board drive power operated - which is what we did on the earlier the 36. My Infiniti 46 though is derived from the very effective Quant30 I did with this foil configuration some time back, and has some significant advantages for this particular boat and how it works. In practice these are extremely easy to deploy and retract as you can move them into position fully unloaded before you tack or gybe, and then deal with the other after that has been completed.
  13. 8 TWS is enough and can then be heading uphill at 12+ or so - water conditions permitting as ever - and from what we can judge so far then CMG is about 3-5 lower than a conventional boat doing its 6/7 knots or whatever. We don't have instruments on the boats as yet - one of them probably will get instrumented soon and then be good to know exactly what is going on. Almost impossible to really judge against normal boats as the speed differential is so high. Also depends whether sailing 2 or 3 up, wind gradient and all the other stuff so it's never a fixed number. Top speed that we know of from the boats so far was 26.8 but 20-25 knot range is commonplace - I had 25 pegged as the sort of top end we were after, could go faster if we took the bulb off:) Hull is almost all glass.foam.epoxy, about a kilo of carbon around wing exits/chainplates to get loads out into the rest of the structure.
  14. The boats can and do sit on moorings - and winds on the lakes can be be violent at times so you do need something on the bottom of the fin. Fin is fixed down, can be raised to get boat out of the water but not when sailing. Also, regulations depending on area and Cat requirements can often stipulate recovery from 90 degrees so we have enough keel moment to do that. Would we go faster without the bulb? Of course, but that's not what the boat is about - its designed so any reasonably competent sailor can go flying 10 mins after stepping into the boat for the first time without any of the hassle of having to adjust this or that - and safely too. Hence the scow form - good initial stability, good base to run the foil configuration, and being a scow then if it crashes then doesn't do the tent-peg dive to the depths. Also we don't want to fly too high for the same reasons - high flight on narrow hulls tends to end badly if you crash the thing while here we just bounce and carry on. If the sea state then calls a limit to proceedings, well its probably getting to the time when its all getting pretty hard in general - once you are up in the mid twenties it's all getting pretty intense, but the sheer pleasure of being able to fly in light winds at more than twice windspeed is something you have to experience.... We can and do reef to help in the upper wind ranges as well, and if it gets really nasty then partially retract the wings to keep the boat in the water and just sail along - still be quick but kinder to boat and crew too.
  15. Have to correct you here - we have a 65 kg bulb on the end of the fin - which is quite a deep one - so that we have 90 positive stability, which is required in several places. RM - confused here as with the lift centroid well outboard of the hull then all the boat weight plus crew which is roughly 550 kgs all up is then very much contributing to stability. And upwind foiling - as we get more boats on the water that can sail against each other then we will find out exactly what conditions it is worth foiling in or not - we can go upwind very nicely thankyou at between 12 and 13 knots, or in DSS mode then you can choose speed/height from 8-12. Foiling tacks I don't expect to see - not enough inertia to get around the air drag from the conventional rig, gybes you can do though with good crew work. Sea conditions - we have sailed and flown in the size of seas you mention - it's not the height but the distance between the crests that is the issue but as a scow then if you do pancake onto crest its no big deal as you bounce off. Mind you it is noisy and does rattle your teeth a bit!