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  1. Not sure that particular study doesn't indicate instead that they are pretty good at avoiding serious collisions. It's a study of total losses of ships from 1997-2011, fourteen years. 44 lost by collision, says the pie chart on page 24. That's an average of three per year. By contrast, 1032 were lost to foundering/sinking, 298 to wrecked or stranded. Which are typically seen in terrible weather, maybe with a shift of cargo, and some very old ships still in service. The merchant captains and most mates on watch aren't perfect, but they tend to have many years of bridge time sussing out traffic and avoiding it early, with what would be a tiny crew (say two-three persons in the wheelhouse) compared to Navy standards, where tasks are spread out amongst a large crowd. Which seems to be the general point in comparing the two systems--more wheelhouse experience (much more) plus concentration rather than diffusion of responsibility and tasks, may be the better way at ensuring situational awareness and avoiding collisions. Put another way, long tours of few crew versus short tours of many crew.
  2. Tell me about Cape Dory Typhoons

    We had one of the pre-Cape Dory Typhoons, built by Naugus Fiberglass in Salem. Same boat, sans traveler and porthole. It's a "small big boat" rather than a "big small boat", so a bit heavy, and being an Alberg, not real quick but real seaworthy, with some initial tenderness before she stiffens up at about 15 degrees heel. Hobbyhorses in a head sea with that short waterline, and turns on a dime. User-friendly, nice-handling, pleasing to the traditional eye, and generally bulletproof.
  3. Most people know about the FITZ from Gordon Lighfoot's song of the same name. This from a shipping industry site: SS Edmund Fitzgerald - 10 November 1975 On 10 November 1975, the laker Edmund Fitzgerald sank in Lake Superior with a loss of all 29 hands. It was one of the largest ships on the Great Lakes, carrying over 26,000 tons of taconite ore between Duluth/Superior and the steel mills to the south. The "Fitz" had departed on 9 November in tandem with another laker, but sailed directly into an early winter storm. It sank suddenly, without making a distress call, at about 7:30 p.m., in heavy snow with winds gusting to hurricane force and seas exceeding 30 feet in height. Gordon Lightfoot memorialized the casualty in his hit song "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald". What isn't as much publicized is that two other Lakers left safe harbor to go out and search for the FITZ, at night in horrible weather. One of them, the ARTHUR ANDERSEN, had just finished the same voyage near the FITZ and the crew were exhausted, but they still went back out, as did the CLAY FORD, who got steam up and went out, both of them into a huge head sea. There could easily have been two more ships sunk. Unfortunately there was nothing for them to find, except some flotsam.
  4. Why don't more people race?

    Is there a future in racing from community sailing centers rather than mostly out of yacht clubs?? There are more and more of them coming on line, I think. I recently rented a Sonar from such a place in Burlington Vermont, my first sail on Lake Champlain. Racing and practice was going on all afternoon, high school and UVM teams. New Orleans is working towards starting a sailing center in the outer marina here. Will take money and time, but it'll happen. Poor kids should get to learn to sail and race, if they want to, and they won't want to 'til they get to try it. Someone has to pay for all this, often a mix of public (waterfront space) and private (stuff you build on the space, and buying boats). Otherwise we'll still be all rich kids (later adults), as the middle class keep getting priced out, and the poor were never "in" to start with. I came up in that middle class in the '60s, but nearby was Community Boating in Boston, where kids without two nickels to rub together became accomplished racers in those clunky, but adequate, Mercurys. A possible education analogy--sailing has become too private-school, could use more good public or charter schools. The classrooms and equipment may be scruffy and well-used, but you learn almost as much as the Richie-Riches. (full disclosure--I'm on the marina board that will lease space to them, and would like to teach there once the Center gets going. So maybe I'm biased)
  5. Why don't more people race?

    The best racing I ever did was dinghy racing. Same boats, it's strictly a skill game. You could make money tacking off a five degree header. One crew. You know what place you're in by just counting boats. The bigger stuff never compared, for me, nor who owed who how many seconds per mile. I mean it's okay, but just doesn't have the body English. Unfortunately OD racing in small boats has declined for reasons we've all discussed ad nauseum. And handicap racing (and racing huge ODs) has become too much of a money game.
  6. I ordered it, dark gray tint cast plexi, comes in 24 by 48-inch piece, cut to size for the hatch square, with the remaining rectangle included as a "spare". Clear would have been cheaper, but too much sun for a cabin top hatch. We can do corners and holes here. Just under 200 bucks including cutting and shipping. Coulda been worse. This is a borrowed boat and I want to do it right. Muchas Gracias everyone.. Tom
  7. Just talked with them, that may be what it's coming to. About $215 cut and shipped. I'd still have to round the corners and drill holes but better done locally since I can place the old one on top of new to locate them. Appreciate the help from you all.
  8. Thanks all. I've been trying local shops, custom plastics etc. They have scrap, but so far no half-inch acrylic, whether tinted or not. Still trying. If I don't hit bingo in next couple of days, I'll take your suggestions and order one .
  9. lf I may avoid explaining why, I find it necessary to replace a square of broken smoked plexiglass, 1/2-inch thick, on an "80s-era plastic classic, cabin top hatch with aluminum housing. It's a drop-in arrangement so would seem simple to do. But so far, it's not so easy to find a piece of smoky plexi in that thickness without having to purchase a 4X8 sheet from somewhere. I just need 21-1/2 in square, with radiused corners. Corners and holes I could do locally, but is there a place where I could order the square piece itself? Muchas Gracias if so.
  10. Random PicThread

    Wow, that crushed bow on STOCKHOLM makes one grateful for collision bulkheads. There was a "miracle girl" who had been sleeping on ANDREA DORIA, and was found injured but alive on STOCKHOLM's forward deck after the ships separated.
  11. World Series

    I'm glad the Astros won. Not simply because it was a really exciting 7-game series, but because of stories like this: http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/World-Series-offers-escape-for-Harvey-s-victims-12321817.php Like the Saints winning their first game in the repaired Superdome after Katrina, and the playoff games in NYC after the 9/11 attacks, the the Astros were playing for a cause---their suffering, but recovering, city, and it helped people through the devastation and pain. Plus, after Katrina, Houston opened their doors and their hearts and took in several hundred thousand New Orleans refugees.
  12. In the FITZ report, the Findings (Section 8 in the link) are, frankly, frightening--take a quick look at Sections 8.1 and 8.2 (pages 21-22), including: --Officers possessed an unsatisfactory level of knowledge of the International Rules of the Road --Watch team members were not familiar with basic radar fundamentals... --approved navigation track did not account for, nor follow, the Traffic Separation Schemes....were unaware of existing TSS's and traffic flows --Did not use AIS themselves, nor observe it from other ships https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/01/us/politics/document-fitzgerald-john-s-mccain-collisions-reports.html
  13. After all our well-meaning guesses over the past five months as to what happened, these two reports have a LOT of information, none of which causes any joy at all: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/01/us/politics/document-fitzgerald-john-s-mccain-collisions-reports.html Both Navy ships were give-way, and neither did so. No mechanical faults on either (though lots of misunderstanding and flatfootedness about how to use steering stations on McCAIN). We don't have the merchant ships' accounts (nor would we, in a Navy investigation) but they would have in both instances expected the Navy ships to have taken avoiding action first, so their own delay has to be seen in that light. The sketch on page 34 of the FITZGERALD report, is horrifying. Those poor poor guys.
  14. Can we instead remind ourselves of women who actually knew how to sail and navigate, and managed to save themselves against real odds through determination, experience, and resourcefulness? Such as Tami Oldham Ashcraft, who at age 23 barely survived a hurricane in eastern Pacific (which drowned her fiance and and left her alone, and boat dismasted with engine and all electronics gone). She jury-rigged a spin pole and navigating by sextant only, made it 1500 miles to Hilo in 41 days: https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=86xID3%2fe&id=76915CFF7A8CB65A0485C8A99BD87DA3EC119C3A&thid=OIP.86xID3_eq8uM7yt4KyRoDAEsD6&q=tami+oldham+ashcraft&simid=608003719854688810&selectedIndex=1&qpvt=tami+oldham+ashcraft&ajaxhist=0 I do believe I'd rather read her book than listen to this "couldn't survive another 24 hours in this infernal sunny weather" duo: http://www.topsecretwriters.com/2013/11/tami-oldham-ashcraft’s-fight-for-life/