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  1. G32 catamaran is available.

    When the boat's ballast tanks are empty, she can tip over easily in a puff when the avg TWS is about 15mph I tipped over when i first bought the boat because I didn't like using the water ballast. Since then I've figured out when to use the ballast and reef. The boat is quite stable with the main reefed to the hounds and full ballast in a TWS of 25-30 knots. I would sometime partially furl the jib in these conditions as well. No chute required (or wanted) in winds like that. Essentially, I just had to learn what the boat can handle, and I was fine. It was a rather steep learning curve for me because I spent over 20 years racing monohulls, and I had to unlearn a lot of monohull habits, I don't let the boat heel more than 10 Deg (the max righting moment), I had to learn to crack off and not pinch while upwind, and I had to learn to balance the boat's feel upwind by bringing the boards up a bit as the wind builds. It's probably the kind of stuff a seasoned multi racer takes for granted, like steering down in a puff vs. steering into a puff if you were in a monohull - another lesson learned "the hard way." At the end of the day, the boat was built to accomplish a specific set of goals: Fast, easily single handed, easily trailered, can be launched quickly, can be righted on the water, From that perspective the boat is brilliant. But, it takes time to figure out how to race it to it's potential, but in my opinion, the reward is worth the effort. At the time, this boat was crazy fast for the money - even by today's standards, the G32 can hold it's own if sailed to it's potential.
  2. R2AK 2016

    Richard How much do the bare hulls weigh? I was reading this article and wondering about the use of composite panels http://www.westsystem.com/ss/comparing-cost-and-weight-of-flat-panels/
  3. New Stiletto Design

    I'm curious about the Stilletto's asperations to foil. given the G4, GC32, and the foiling beachcats were built to be as light as possible to insure foiling performance, will the Stilletto only foil in heavy air? If you could get a boat of this size to reliably foil at 1/3 of the cost of a GC32, I imagine there would be a market.
  4. what is it?

    I think Greg Bull made the original spars for the boat, and might be able to offer some insight as well.
  5. what is it?

    My G32 motors at about 8 knots with a 5hp motor. Thanks for posting all of the work on the refit blog. It helps us mere mortals with the upkeep on a such an unusual boat. I have some work I would like to do on Janet C, like a flush cabin top hatch, resealing windows, gel coat replacement, ect..
  6. what is it?

    I have been interested in proas since I picked up a copy of norwood's book on high speed sailing 10 years ago. In that time I have followed the harry proa group with interest. In that 10 years I have only heard of Russ's designs in races or putting on some serious ocean miles. I was hoping bucket list would change that, but I think Rob needs people to finance his R&D efforts; and that is a tough sell to budget racers. I think the first proas that we will see racing distance races will be based on Russ's work, because he has proven himself. His plywood rocketships have held together for thousands of miles and decades. Rob's poras have raced tornadoes and in the proa congress. Greg Brett has an article on the proa congress, and Rob can yell you about the tornados. If you are truly interested in building a budget proa racer, buy a well thought out and proven design,like "madness".
  7. 32 ft Trailer Sailer

    Reminds me of the rio hondo 40 and the airwave 33. I wonder if designs like this will become more popular in the future as the current used boat fleet ages out.
  8. G32 catamaran is available.

    it's good to see another G32 on lake michigan!
  9. G32 catamaran is available.

    I'm surprised the Proa passage hasn't been posted here before. I've been following the blog. Good to hear about a proa actually logging some serious offshore miles! What else do you have planned for the G32 in terms of upgrades? I like what you have done so far.
  10. G32 catamaran is available.

    Russel, I bought Janet C from Meade about 4 years ago, and I'm still figuring out multis, I grew up racing monohulls. I decided to race beach cats for a while to help with the learning curve. Janet was little over 1400 lbs with all of the sailing gear plus motor, minus the weight of the trailor - but they can get lighter; I'm told the prototype was 200 lbs lighter than production models due to being painted vs. the gel coat, which had to be quite thick in order to achieve the desired finish quality. I know of a few G32s that have been stripped of their gel coat and painted, mostly because the gel coat tended to crack over time because it didn't stick to the epoxy well in some cases. Janet has gone on a diet and lost a little weight herself. Some aluminum bits have been replaced with carbon bits, lighter battery, lighter (and less) instruments, and some of the gelcoat has been replaced with paint. I was also shocked at how heavy the daggerboards are, I have been thinking about getting lighter ones, but the weight is in the right place. Right now Janet is getting some bottom work done; hull daggerboard covers replaced, new standing and running rigging, new hatch, sealing a leak in one of the water ballast tanks, mostly just little odds and ends that come with keeping a boat up. Getting a new set of sails and a decent autopilot this winter for next year as well, I would like to try some distance races next year on lake michigan. Greg Bull is the G32 goto guy if you have questions a guy like me couldn't answer. Chances are if you were at the Gougeon boat shop you met him. He has owned and raced the prototype G1 since the early 90s and is a talented boatbuilder/sailor himself. He knows the boat better than anyone in the world right now. The best thing about the boat is how easy it is to set up (mast up and boat launched in 20 mins) and sail. All the sails furl, it's fast, and easy to sail single handed. It is a technical and tweeky boat, and there is (in my opinion...but I'm not a rock star sailor) a learning curve to get the boat to sail to Meade's rating. But I like that, I'm not bored. You can tow the boat with an average car, and you really don't need a boatslip to enjoy the summer. Other than maybe a laser, it's the easist boat to set up and launch I have ever seen. The thing that likely prevented this boat from exploding in populatiry is the fact that it can tip over. I have tipped my boat over more times than I can count. I have always been able to right the boat without any outside help. The righting system is straightforward, but you have to pay attention to what you are doing. With practice, I can right the boat and be sailing again in less than 6 minutes. I have never had to right the boat in huge waves, in conditions like that I don't sail the boat as aggressively. The water ballast does a great job at keeping the boat stable in heavy air. I have noticed a big difference between the skillset of an average club monohull racer and an average club multihull racer, and I think an experienced multihull sailor could see the beauty in this design. I looked for one because it was the fastest boat that I could find that I could set up and launch myself in the minimum amount of time, I wasn't a slave to a boatyard in terms of cranes, slips and so on, all the sails furled, easy to tow, and I can do distance races with it on lake Michigan. There are no other designs that fit that criteria better than the G32. In my opinion it is the best trailor sailor that I know of. There is something to be said for a folding trimaran, but for me personally, I like the G32.
  11. Homebuild

    The Husky 6.5 might be worth looking into. It seems to tick all of the boxes.
  12. G32 catamaran is available.

    I've sailed my G32 in about 25 knots of wind and 6 to 8 foot waves on lake michigan. Full ballast on the windward side. Main reefed to the hounds and jib. Upwind was about 10, sometimes kissing to 12 knots, and reaching in the mid teens with a reefed main and jib. The cockpit gets the occasional splash, but for the most part it was a dry ride. The boat has the advantage in light air; low drag, and two jibing daggerboards really make the cat point very well once you have speed. In heavy air the tris start to make gains with their increased righting moment on a reach. That's when the G32 starts to burn off some of the speed by going deeper. Imagine an 700+ chute on a 1100lb boat. This summer my G32 didn't even splash, she's getting a refit... Next year I hope to get back into doing some distance races with it. I have a 5hp motor, and i can motor at about 8 to 8.5 knots in flat water.
  13. Bucket List

    I would love to see bucket list race .... in any race.... just show up and sail the crazy thing! Even if there is resistance to proas, if the concept works half as well as the numbers suggest, at the pricepoint of a well used mini 650 you have a winner. Bucket list could start a new class, which can race it's own trans ocean races - which could be run like the Jester Challenge. Why spend 100K on a mini 650 when you could get a new proa, which is faster, less complicated, and more fun to sail than Mini? If the boat works, the sailors and the races will appear. Basically, that price is rather close to a new f18 on a trailer with all of the trimmings, and many of the really serious beachcat racers I know have multiple boats. If you think about it, how much does it cost to Trick out an old Hobie 33 or Olsen 30 for the solo transpac race? The Proa is a Smoking Deal, and sailors will show up to race them if Rob can get bucket list to a race and finish without falling apart at sea. Video of the boat righting itself, sailing, and shunting is all I would need to see. I would charter, then buy. What else can you buy at that price? A used F24, A used F27? A new Lightning? Life is too short to race slow boats, and who says fast has to break the bank?
  14. Bucket List

    Thanks for the clairification! I love the concept and look forward to hearing about the boat's performance. I agree this boat is more of a distance racer vs. beer cans, but all of the "bucket list" races are distance races..
  15. Bucket List

    While I love the idea of bucketlist, I think the righting system as stated in the video needs some work. Not enough flotation in the mast and boom, and the sheeting angle of the lazy sheet will prevent the righting system from working like it was presented in the video. With some extra work, the design does have the chance of doing what it was designed to do.