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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. When the boat's ballast tanks are empty, she can tip over easily in a puff when the avg TWS is about 15mph I tipped over when i first bought the boat because I didn't like using the water ballast. Since then I've figured out when to use the ballast and reef. The boat is quite stable with the main reefed to the hounds and full ballast in a TWS of 25-30 knots. I would sometime partially furl the jib in these conditions as well. No chute required (or wanted) in winds like that. Essentially, I just had to learn what the boat can handle, and I was fine. It was a rather steep learning curve for me because I spent over 20 years racing monohulls, and I had to unlearn a lot of monohull habits, I don't let the boat heel more than 10 Deg (the max righting moment), I had to learn to crack off and not pinch while upwind, and I had to learn to balance the boat's feel upwind by bringing the boards up a bit as the wind builds. It's probably the kind of stuff a seasoned multi racer takes for granted, like steering down in a puff vs. steering into a puff if you were in a monohull - another lesson learned "the hard way." At the end of the day, the boat was built to accomplish a specific set of goals: Fast, easily single handed, easily trailered, can be launched quickly, can be righted on the water, From that perspective the boat is brilliant. But, it takes time to figure out how to race it to it's potential, but in my opinion, the reward is worth the effort. At the time, this boat was crazy fast for the money - even by today's standards, the G32 can hold it's own if sailed to it's potential.
  2. Richard How much do the bare hulls weigh? I was reading this article and wondering about the use of composite panels http://www.westsystem.com/ss/comparing-cost-and-weight-of-flat-panels/
  3. I'm curious about the Stilletto's asperations to foil. given the G4, GC32, and the foiling beachcats were built to be as light as possible to insure foiling performance, will the Stilletto only foil in heavy air? If you could get a boat of this size to reliably foil at 1/3 of the cost of a GC32, I imagine there would be a market.
  4. I think Greg Bull made the original spars for the boat, and might be able to offer some insight as well.
  5. My G32 motors at about 8 knots with a 5hp motor. Thanks for posting all of the work on the refit blog. It helps us mere mortals with the upkeep on a such an unusual boat. I have some work I would like to do on Janet C, like a flush cabin top hatch, resealing windows, gel coat replacement, ect..
  6. I have been interested in proas since I picked up a copy of norwood's book on high speed sailing 10 years ago. In that time I have followed the harry proa group with interest. In that 10 years I have only heard of Russ's designs in races or putting on some serious ocean miles. I was hoping bucket list would change that, but I think Rob needs people to finance his R&D efforts; and that is a tough sell to budget racers. I think the first proas that we will see racing distance races will be based on Russ's work, because he has proven himself. His plywood rocketships have held together for thousands of miles and decades. Rob's poras have raced tornadoes and in the proa congress. Greg Brett has an article on the proa congress, and Rob can yell you about the tornados. If you are truly interested in building a budget proa racer, buy a well thought out and proven design,like "madness".
  7. Reminds me of the rio hondo 40 and the airwave 33. I wonder if designs like this will become more popular in the future as the current used boat fleet ages out.
  8. it's good to see another G32 on lake michigan!
  9. I'm surprised the Proa passage hasn't been posted here before. I've been following the blog. Good to hear about a proa actually logging some serious offshore miles! What else do you have planned for the G32 in terms of upgrades? I like what you have done so far.
  10. Russel, I bought Janet C from Meade about 4 years ago, and I'm still figuring out multis, I grew up racing monohulls. I decided to race beach cats for a while to help with the learning curve. Janet was little over 1400 lbs with all of the sailing gear plus motor, minus the weight of the trailor - but they can get lighter; I'm told the prototype was 200 lbs lighter than production models due to being painted vs. the gel coat, which had to be quite thick in order to achieve the desired finish quality. I know of a few G32s that have been stripped of their gel coat and painted, mostly because the gel coat tended to crack over time because it didn't stick to the epoxy well in some cases. Janet has gone on a diet and lost a little weight herself. Some aluminum bits have been replaced with carbon bits, lighter battery, lighter (and less) instruments, and some of the gelcoat has been replaced with paint. I was also shocked at how heavy the daggerboards are, I have been thinking about getting lighter ones, but the weight is in the right place. Right now Janet is getting some bottom work done; hull daggerboard covers replaced, new standing and running rigging, new hatch, sealing a leak in one of the water ballast tanks, mostly just little odds and ends that come with keeping a boat up. Getting a new set of sails and a decent autopilot this winter for next year as well, I would like to try some distance races next year on lake michigan. Greg Bull is the G32 goto guy if you have questions a guy like me couldn't answer. Chances are if you were at the Gougeon boat shop you met him. He has owned and raced the prototype G1 since the early 90s and is a talented boatbuilder/sailor himself. He knows the boat better than anyone in the world right now. The best thing about the boat is how easy it is to set up (mast up and boat launched in 20 mins) and sail. All the sails furl, it's fast, and easy to sail single handed. It is a technical and tweeky boat, and there is (in my opinion...but I'm not a rock star sailor) a learning curve to get the boat to sail to Meade's rating. But I like that, I'm not bored. You can tow the boat with an average car, and you really don't need a boatslip to enjoy the summer. Other than maybe a laser, it's the easist boat to set up and launch I have ever seen. The thing that likely prevented this boat from exploding in populatiry is the fact that it can tip over. I have tipped my boat over more times than I can count. I have always been able to right the boat without any outside help. The righting system is straightforward, but you have to pay attention to what you are doing. With practice, I can right the boat and be sailing again in less than 6 minutes. I have never had to right the boat in huge waves, in conditions like that I don't sail the boat as aggressively. The water ballast does a great job at keeping the boat stable in heavy air. I have noticed a big difference between the skillset of an average club monohull racer and an average club multihull racer, and I think an experienced multihull sailor could see the beauty in this design. I looked for one because it was the fastest boat that I could find that I could set up and launch myself in the minimum amount of time, I wasn't a slave to a boatyard in terms of cranes, slips and so on, all the sails furled, easy to tow, and I can do distance races with it on lake Michigan. There are no other designs that fit that criteria better than the G32. In my opinion it is the best trailor sailor that I know of. There is something to be said for a folding trimaran, but for me personally, I like the G32.
  11. The Husky 6.5 might be worth looking into. It seems to tick all of the boxes.
  12. I've sailed my G32 in about 25 knots of wind and 6 to 8 foot waves on lake michigan. Full ballast on the windward side. Main reefed to the hounds and jib. Upwind was about 10, sometimes kissing to 12 knots, and reaching in the mid teens with a reefed main and jib. The cockpit gets the occasional splash, but for the most part it was a dry ride. The boat has the advantage in light air; low drag, and two jibing daggerboards really make the cat point very well once you have speed. In heavy air the tris start to make gains with their increased righting moment on a reach. That's when the G32 starts to burn off some of the speed by going deeper. Imagine an 700+ chute on a 1100lb boat. This summer my G32 didn't even splash, she's getting a refit... Next year I hope to get back into doing some distance races with it. I have a 5hp motor, and i can motor at about 8 to 8.5 knots in flat water.
  13. So LR will most likely drop out... DAMMET! I wanted them to win! Longshot, yes, but I always root for the underdog. But now I have this big foam (luna rossa number 1) foam hand making the universal number 1 gesture and I have nowhere to wear it!
  14. You know what? That's an excellent idea! À malin, malin et demi : outdoing "them" in trivializing the event, and spending peanuts! Might involve Mike Turner in, as well. Long shot, but I think I'll try to float the idea. Also, not being bound by the DoG, you could really have fleet racing - much more spectacular that match races I would love to see LR drop out of the AC, because RC has just taken it too far. By building a solid wing GC32 class with Alighini, SAP (another insult to oracle) ENZ, and anyone else who wants to race in the most exciting and sustainable sailing circuit in the world, can. After 3 years of this growing circuit, the AC 45s will look like a copy of the GC32 solid wing circuit, except less interesting because only 2 boats will be sailing at once. RC really didn't think this through.
  15. +1 Maybe Luna Rossa can show up with a 62, and evaryone else can show up with a a smaller boat, and the two boat types can race PHRF!