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  1. nige

    Sailors Powerboat

    There are certainly some contradictions there! I can’t imagine it would need anything like 600hp!! And I’m sure it would do more than 40kts without the foils and 600hp. if that is true and it is carbon, the drive train must be ridiculously heavy. Sharp Tux’s though.
  2. nige

    Sailors Powerboat

    Well that answers some of my questions too. Thanks. beautiful boat by the way!
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    I just looked at the 40 specs and they are heavier than the Honda 4 stroke 40’s. I was always getting the Honda 40’s as they have the NMEA connection but if the etec’s are 2 stroke but heavier than the 4 strokes, what is the attraction? the longer maintenance periods sound nice though.
  4. nige

    Sailors Powerboat

    Funny - I get the opposite conclusion from the navy’s collisions! (only half joking)
  5. nige

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    Because they are high enough out of the water... that tri has amazingly similar hull length/beam, main hull to ama, ama volume to main hull volume and cross beam locations to my 24ft tri.
  6. nige

    Sailors Powerboat

    I’m excited! Not that I can afford that, but the direction and speed of progress will likely mean it’s feasible and (to each his own) affordable in the not too distant future... the silence and and lack of vibration creates SUCH a different experience.
  7. nige

    Sailors Powerboat

    These are large internal banks, torqueedo isn’t just small outboards... no idea idea what the regulations are but this is the stuff I’d be looking for if I was purchasing. id imagine any decent mfr will too? if the regulations aren’t there now, they will be but obviously it’s been thought about.
  8. nige

    Sailors Powerboat

    All stored energy is dangerous right? How many boat fires/explosions are caused by propane or gas? I'd love to not have gas on my boat for many reasons. As the capacity and practicality become more feasible, the issue of "stored" energy safety will continue to be addressed. I have no practical experience with the torqueedo batteries, but we have been looking at them for a while for our boats. Im not rich enough get into that game quite yet though, or tolerate the decrease in range, but they appear to have put a lot of thought and development into the safety around flooding, and i'm excited about the possibility in 5, 10 or 20 years: "Waterproof Housing to IP67 Even if battery submersion should generally be avoided, all Torqeedo batteries are without exception completely waterproof and can withstand – in accordance with the definition of the IP67 standard – immersion at a depth of 1 m for at least 30 minutes without suffering any damage. The waterproof characteristics of each battery are individually tested in production prior to delivery." "Water Sensor If battery poles are under current when submerged, significant electrolysis will take place in saltwater in particular that is some 10,000 times faster than normal galvanic corrosion. This rapidly degrades the contacts and creates dangerous electrolytic gas. The integrated water sensor detects when a battery is submersed. In this case the battery switches off automatically, preventing electrolytic corrosion and the development of electrolytic gas." https://www.torqeedo.com/us/en-us/technology-and-environment/battery-technology.html https://www.torqeedo.com/us/en-us/products/batteries-1 Its obviously a concern but it would be something you looked at when choosing a manufacturer etc. (I assume electric cars have something similar as they must be designed to be safe if driven into the water of flooding etc? - Huge assumption but I'd be shocked if not)
  9. nige

    Sailors Powerboat

    what design is that?
  10. nige

    Sailors Powerboat

    Great post. There are a couple of other factors in that mix though - frontal area as much as total surface area for a given volume , and the beam to length ratio that both defines frontal area and plays a big part (positively and negatively) in the stability and pitching in anything other than flat water.
  11. nige

    Sailors Powerboat

    Its not an inconvenient truth, its just reality. You are certainly focused on this aspect but I think you are a very small percentage of any hypothetical market. As another poster wrote above, that is not the reason the vast majority of people interested in these types of boats will buy them. ROI is not the big driver, Its all emotional and personal, it about the style that fits you personally, what makes you feel good (whether that is reality or not). None of these boats IS the future, they are all potential stepping stones, at best. I put a ton of miles on these boats but have spent far more in each modification and upgrade than I save in fuel, its a project, its a goal, its a desire to see what you can do. In the same was as buying a production boat, people are not buying for actual nM/G numbers - they may be a fun talking point, but if someone is buying an efficient boat, its because they feel it aligns with their life choices (again, which may be completely misguided based on all their other life choices). I didn't get into these boats because I thought I'd save money, I got into them because as a racing sailor and design enthusiast, I just couldn't stand seeing all the equivalent boats out there digging big holes in the water, burning gas faster than i can pour it out of a jerry can and I wanted a boat that I felt went through the water in a way that put a smile on my face. I think that is the more common driver (in this niche of a niche market) than actual ROI numbers. That is not discounting your buying choices at all, you have your factors that drive your decisions, there are plenty of others too though.
  12. nige

    Sailors Powerboat

    A proper sailor should have an appropriate boat for each occasion/use? A dock full of them so you can make the decision on the day, depending on where you are going, what you are doing, what the weather is like and the sophistication level of the fluff in question....
  13. nige

    Sailors Powerboat

    Thats a beautiful boat! I'm sure there are plenty of people who buy them (and cheaper versions of similar concepts)... no argument there.... you just come across as saying there are no other options, for anyone, anywhere.... Just to be clear, I love my run about, it does almost everything I need it to, it has some great strengths, some significant weaknesses but nothing I haven't been able to plan around or that has stopped me doing something. It is certainly not for everyone. It wasn't built with the idea of selling it but we are considering the kits because, in person, it gets so much interest from people who watch it or have used it. That does not mean I'd ever expect it to be a large market, but I do think something like it has a niche in the power boat market (most likely the sailor end) that I'd love to see filled. I am interested in selling the kits or boats because I'd like to see more of these kinds of boats out there (all of them - the PT skiffs, Paul's commuter cat etc etc), not because I'm looking for a new business. At worst they are all just seeds of ideas for the eventual perfect boat
  14. nige

    Sailors Powerboat

    Good point!
  15. nige

    Sailors Powerboat

    I think where I struggle with your response is that you are describing a huge section of power boats that are already out there. This thread wasn't started to just list the standard power boats that already exist, so although "sailors power boat" is not defined, I assumed it meant something other than the norm. You are also stating personal choices as facts. Things aren't that black and white, each design feature has a pro and a con that may or may not be countered by other design choices. Most end up being valid for their use, you seem very clear on the predominant use in your area and it sounds like you have the right boats in mind but obviously there are lots of different uses. Some things you described are totally valid and would be listed in the "con" column when making a decision, some issues you are incorrectly projecting and are not the issue you assume them to be, some issues seem to be local to you. It would be dull if there was one perfect boat....