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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. Somewhere along the way common sense just has to be brought into play. As a past owner of exotics and race cars, I can tell you that if you are going to push the car, boat or whatever to it's limits, common sense says you had better go over it before hand and insure it is up to the task. That afterwards, you need to be going over the car, boat or plane and insuring it is ready for the next adventure. It is not for the designers/ builders sake but for your own and those going with you. I never begrudged anyone having to do it, after all, it is just common sense. Part of the cost of playing with high performance vehicles is the cost of maintenance and the replacement of high dollar parts that wear out ten times faster than they would on a regular vehicle. In car racing, the life of engines vary from hours to a few minutes depending upon the type of vehicle. Why do we seem to want high performance boats to be different? As operators, we need to take responsibility for the condition of the boat before we sail and push it to it's limits.
  2. As a long time fan of the J27 and as we happened to be in NOLA on the last day of the regatta, we went out on the point and watched the boats come in. We got a few nice pics as they entered the break wall. It looked like a fine time for the participants and looks like a great venue for a regatta.
  3. Nor did I say there was. But from my friends view, there were some things not as well though out on the DF25 as is on the Farrier designs. While I can see merits to the swing wing system, it did not impress my friend as much as the folding system on the Farriers. For instance, I can see that the swing wing system would be better if leaving the boat folded in the water but it is not as convenient in various ways if you trailer sail all the time. In my friends opinion, the F22 and F24 are boats that can be pushed harder than the DF25 and I tend to agree. But I stress that is only our opinions. And if we are buying then our opinion is what matters to us. The Dragonfly boats are great and if buying a larger tri as a cruiser, I would opt for the DF28 over the F28, for instance. But that is me and of course would not apply to anyone else. Chris O. While your posts are meant to attack Ian and his company personally, mine were to express concern and a bit of frustration that the best designer of the best trimarans out there is not supplying his boats in quantity enough to satisfy demand. While I recognize that there may indeed be a valid reason, from the information made available to us, I see nothing that indicates a solid reason the boat is not in full production. Though I could guess, it would be nothing but speculation, so I won't publicly. In any case, while it is unfortunate, it is not a crime nor should it be used to belittle a designer and his designs.
  4. A quick update. My friend went to Miami and saw the DF25. He was not all that impressed. Some good things but mostly was concerned about the folding mechanism and a few other issues he saw, issues I suspect only because they were different than what Farrier does and has presented here. He has I think 8 or 9 years with his F24Mk1 so those features and characteristics are what he ends up looking for, or rather an improvement on those. He did not find them on the DF25. Meaning nothing really bad on the DF25, just not what he happened to think he wants and needs, nor did he see the Ian Farrier standards of detail. He is currently looking at or rather for used F22's. Not sure why a F24Mk2 is not interesting him, but it isn't. He might even consider a F22 plan set at this point, now believing that a production F22 is so far off for him and that it will continue to increase in costs such that he could have one custom built and still be ahead of the game. I suspect more people will follow his path. There is no hope of a F22 in a reasonable time frame for the vast majority of the depositors if production is not increased drastically soon and from the updates forwarded to me, that is not going to happen. At the current projections, it could be anywhere from 3 more years to 15 years for my friend. There is some issue here we do not know about and while it could be a valid reason for the slow ramp up, it is not helping the people with cash who see an impossibility long wait ahead of them. Very unfortunate because the F22 is most likely the best tri of it's size range out there at the moment and I have not seen anything else coming down the pike even close.
  5. I have a friend with a rather long wait ahead of him for his new F22. He is considering two options. The first is to purchase a used F24 (he had one before but went cruising on a monohull for a bit) while he waits the 18 to 24 months (or more...) for his turn or he could spend his money now on a Dragonfly 25. We day-sailed and raced his old F24 and he actually cruised it twice to the Bahamas so it is pretty duo-purpose. He is not on SA and just asked me what he should do. I'll look for the Dragonfly thread as well. I was just wondering if others had thoughts on this. The money issue is, well, not much of an issue but as always, somewhat important. Is the F22 worth the wait and the extra hassle of an interim boat? Frankly, he had no interest in even looking at other new boats but as time is passing, the wait seems to be getting longer, his patience is getting shorter and we are wall getting older....he needs to do something.
  6. Looking great. Hope this is just the first of many, many more!
  7. Sailing seems to like the boat a lot. Any rumors about how many have been sold here yet?
  8. Just an FYI: AN Australian i550 lost it's keel and while the VMG went to shit, the boat stayed upright and still sailed itself home. So I'm not sure an i550 or an i550 style boat knows what "turtle" is...... With all of the ways many have attached their bulbs, this is certainly no worse and in no more danger of leaving the keel as any other.
  9. I went to our local sailmaker whom I have sailed against and he designed and built a radial Dacron main and Genoa for my 14,000 lbs. S2 35C cruising boat. In long distance ocean racing, we have achieved 2nds and 3rds in fleets ( small, I know) of 6 to 12. We have sailed in everything from drifters to 35 plus. We reef at about 15 when cruising and have carried the full main to about 20 when racing. The sail has held up better than previous cross cuts and is still setting like it was new. We do not baby it in any way and it lives in a "mackpak" type cover. They are now about six years old but to be honest, the boat was "mothballed" for about 1 1/2 years. It seems to me that the materials available to everyone and the availability of design programs has made sail making more dependent upon the sailmaker knowing you, your boat and how you sail than the name of the company. I went with radial construction because I was told and convinced that it would hold up better and perform better for how I use my boat and sail. I simply trusted the sailmaker to be advising me correctly and in my case, I believe he was. That seems to be the important choice: does your sailmaker know you and do you trust him enough to take his advise?
  10. From the link in the initial post, the canting angle would be 30 deg, not just 15. If the science as presented worked out and if the gain was there, the biggest issue would not be the pivot point but rather how one unlocked it. Gravity would certainly swing it over to the new position, assuming that you could release it of course. And the stop took the impact load it may have to endure. Perhaps a mag lock would work as I would think any positive lock would easily stick and not release from the load. But think of the power needed though to keep that lock engaged though so then it would have to be reversed. Power to unlock, loss of power locks. Then you get hung up again on a positive pin or or something that would require linear bearings and big springs and .......it gets complicated fast. This idea may work on smaller boats that do not have a ton of weight in the keel where the loads may be small enough to get the thing locked and unlocked. Maybe an I550 guy would like to try it?
  11. The designer, Chris B, did produce a modified version of the i550 - hull 336. Never finished. But the info he put out about it was pretty interesting. And in the end, the differences between stock and modified was probably less than a bad tack, at least as the computer sailed the variants. Indicates to me that if you start with what is basically an i550, you will end up with a boat that sails pretty much like an i550. A builder in Australia - the boat was Shazza? - sold his and then he and a mate modified and improved the basic design and made it a 6.5 and last I saw anything on it, it was going pretty good. So, stretching the basics a bit seemed to work OK. Most builders of the i550 have modified at least parts of the boat to the point that there is mostly likely not one single one the same as another. From your drawings, once built, it would be hard pressed to note much of a difference until a tape came out. Up in Ontario, CA, Velocity is pretty close to finishing his first production i550 and I suspect it will be the "One Design" version of the future. However, I also suspect that it and the home built variants will be pretty equal on that race course. Just build your dream boat and don't worry about what anyone says.
  12. Can't find another picture that shows this issue on any other website. Most of the shots that one can see this seam are just fine. Seems like this is one that got away from them and got delivered without being properly done. Unfortunate and hopefully we will hear they they took proper care of it.
  13. Keel up or down, looks great on the water!
  14. I hear that a lot, a carbon rig is not that much more expensive. With the i550, it is only 3 to 4 K over the tin rig. That's only a 200 to 250% increase. To a 28 foot sport boat, based on their listed base, that could be a 20 to 25% increase in the boat's base price. All for what, a 3 to 5 % increase (if that) in sailing speed potential? In PHRF, IRC, ETC , that may be worth it to many, but if actually a one design, doesn't seem like it. Exactly right.
  15. I agree. I thought they would do BIRW but it has not shown up as registered. It appears it would be in with the Farr280, C&C 30 and J88...though the ratings are pretty different across those boats it would be/ will be an interesting comparison of how the boats perform.