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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. F32 structure failure in Mooloolaba?

    Somewhere along the way common sense just has to be brought into play. As a past owner of exotics and race cars, I can tell you that if you are going to push the car, boat or whatever to it's limits, common sense says you had better go over it before hand and insure it is up to the task. That afterwards, you need to be going over the car, boat or plane and insuring it is ready for the next adventure. It is not for the designers/ builders sake but for your own and those going with you. I never begrudged anyone having to do it, after all, it is just common sense. Part of the cost of playing with high performance vehicles is the cost of maintenance and the replacement of high dollar parts that wear out ten times faster than they would on a regular vehicle. In car racing, the life of engines vary from hours to a few minutes depending upon the type of vehicle. Why do we seem to want high performance boats to be different? As operators, we need to take responsibility for the condition of the boat before we sail and push it to it's limits.
  2. J27 Class Events 2016

    As a long time fan of the J27 and as we happened to be in NOLA on the last day of the regatta, we went out on the point and watched the boats come in. We got a few nice pics as they entered the break wall. It looked like a fine time for the participants and looks like a great venue for a regatta.
  3. F-22 Update

    Nor did I say there was. But from my friends view, there were some things not as well though out on the DF25 as is on the Farrier designs. While I can see merits to the swing wing system, it did not impress my friend as much as the folding system on the Farriers. For instance, I can see that the swing wing system would be better if leaving the boat folded in the water but it is not as convenient in various ways if you trailer sail all the time. In my friends opinion, the F22 and F24 are boats that can be pushed harder than the DF25 and I tend to agree. But I stress that is only our opinions. And if we are buying then our opinion is what matters to us. The Dragonfly boats are great and if buying a larger tri as a cruiser, I would opt for the DF28 over the F28, for instance. But that is me and of course would not apply to anyone else. Chris O. While your posts are meant to attack Ian and his company personally, mine were to express concern and a bit of frustration that the best designer of the best trimarans out there is not supplying his boats in quantity enough to satisfy demand. While I recognize that there may indeed be a valid reason, from the information made available to us, I see nothing that indicates a solid reason the boat is not in full production. Though I could guess, it would be nothing but speculation, so I won't publicly. In any case, while it is unfortunate, it is not a crime nor should it be used to belittle a designer and his designs.
  4. F-22 Update

    A quick update. My friend went to Miami and saw the DF25. He was not all that impressed. Some good things but mostly was concerned about the folding mechanism and a few other issues he saw, issues I suspect only because they were different than what Farrier does and has presented here. He has I think 8 or 9 years with his F24Mk1 so those features and characteristics are what he ends up looking for, or rather an improvement on those. He did not find them on the DF25. Meaning nothing really bad on the DF25, just not what he happened to think he wants and needs, nor did he see the Ian Farrier standards of detail. He is currently looking at or rather for used F22's. Not sure why a F24Mk2 is not interesting him, but it isn't. He might even consider a F22 plan set at this point, now believing that a production F22 is so far off for him and that it will continue to increase in costs such that he could have one custom built and still be ahead of the game. I suspect more people will follow his path. There is no hope of a F22 in a reasonable time frame for the vast majority of the depositors if production is not increased drastically soon and from the updates forwarded to me, that is not going to happen. At the current projections, it could be anywhere from 3 more years to 15 years for my friend. There is some issue here we do not know about and while it could be a valid reason for the slow ramp up, it is not helping the people with cash who see an impossibility long wait ahead of them. Very unfortunate because the F22 is most likely the best tri of it's size range out there at the moment and I have not seen anything else coming down the pike even close.
  5. F-22 Update

    I have a friend with a rather long wait ahead of him for his new F22. He is considering two options. The first is to purchase a used F24 (he had one before but went cruising on a monohull for a bit) while he waits the 18 to 24 months (or more...) for his turn or he could spend his money now on a Dragonfly 25. We day-sailed and raced his old F24 and he actually cruised it twice to the Bahamas so it is pretty duo-purpose. He is not on SA and just asked me what he should do. I'll look for the Dragonfly thread as well. I was just wondering if others had thoughts on this. The money issue is, well, not much of an issue but as always, somewhat important. Is the F22 worth the wait and the extra hassle of an interim boat? Frankly, he had no interest in even looking at other new boats but as time is passing, the wait seems to be getting longer, his patience is getting shorter and we are wall getting older....he needs to do something.
  6. Production i550 photos

    Looking great. Hope this is just the first of many, many more!
  7. Fareast 28R

    Sailing seems to like the boat a lot. Any rumors about how many have been sold here yet?
  8. Aubigny 5.5x

    Just an FYI: AN Australian i550 lost it's keel and while the VMG went to shit, the boat stayed upright and still sailed itself home. So I'm not sure an i550 or an i550 style boat knows what "turtle" is...... With all of the ways many have attached their bulbs, this is certainly no worse and in no more danger of leaving the keel as any other.
  9. Triradial or crosscut Dacron main

    I went to our local sailmaker whom I have sailed against and he designed and built a radial Dacron main and Genoa for my 14,000 lbs. S2 35C cruising boat. In long distance ocean racing, we have achieved 2nds and 3rds in fleets ( small, I know) of 6 to 12. We have sailed in everything from drifters to 35 plus. We reef at about 15 when cruising and have carried the full main to about 20 when racing. The sail has held up better than previous cross cuts and is still setting like it was new. We do not baby it in any way and it lives in a "mackpak" type cover. They are now about six years old but to be honest, the boat was "mothballed" for about 1 1/2 years. It seems to me that the materials available to everyone and the availability of design programs has made sail making more dependent upon the sailmaker knowing you, your boat and how you sail than the name of the company. I went with radial construction because I was told and convinced that it would hold up better and perform better for how I use my boat and sail. I simply trusted the sailmaker to be advising me correctly and in my case, I believe he was. That seems to be the important choice: does your sailmaker know you and do you trust him enough to take his advise?
  10. Aubigny 5.5x

    The designer, Chris B, did produce a modified version of the i550 - hull 336. Never finished. But the info he put out about it was pretty interesting. And in the end, the differences between stock and modified was probably less than a bad tack, at least as the computer sailed the variants. Indicates to me that if you start with what is basically an i550, you will end up with a boat that sails pretty much like an i550. A builder in Australia - the boat was Shazza? - sold his and then he and a mate modified and improved the basic design and made it a 6.5 and last I saw anything on it, it was going pretty good. So, stretching the basics a bit seemed to work OK. Most builders of the i550 have modified at least parts of the boat to the point that there is mostly likely not one single one the same as another. From your drawings, once built, it would be hard pressed to note much of a difference until a tape came out. Up in Ontario, CA, Velocity is pretty close to finishing his first production i550 and I suspect it will be the "One Design" version of the future. However, I also suspect that it and the home built variants will be pretty equal on that race course. Just build your dream boat and don't worry about what anyone says.
  11. Fareast 28R

    Can't find another picture that shows this issue on any other website. Most of the shots that one can see this seam are just fine. Seems like this is one that got away from them and got delivered without being properly done. Unfortunate and hopefully we will hear they they took proper care of it.
  12. i550

    Keel up or down, looks great on the water!
  13. Fareast 28R

    I hear that a lot, a carbon rig is not that much more expensive. With the i550, it is only 3 to 4 K over the tin rig. That's only a 200 to 250% increase. To a 28 foot sport boat, based on their listed base, that could be a 20 to 25% increase in the boat's base price. All for what, a 3 to 5 % increase (if that) in sailing speed potential? In PHRF, IRC, ETC , that may be worth it to many, but if actually a one design, doesn't seem like it. Exactly right.
  14. Fareast 28R

    I agree. I thought they would do BIRW but it has not shown up as registered. It appears it would be in with the Farr280, C&C 30 and J88...though the ratings are pretty different across those boats it would be/ will be an interesting comparison of how the boats perform.
  15. Fareast 28R

    While so far there is only one boat in the USA, apparently there is a nice fleet building in Sweden. and we know that as it was used in the China Cup, there must be one in China as well. After reading the Farr 280 thread, this boat looks like it should take off. No, I have nothing to do with selling them, but I do want it to end up with a good fleet here so I can perhaps end up with one myself.