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  1. beheading?

    This past year? Which Island? Which Anchorage? Did the men have uniforms and identify them selves? "Armed men" in the Caribbean is pretty serious. That's the BucketLust bitches... they were down in Belize. Quite frankly I'm surprised they didn't get them disgustingly drunk and laid. The whole Kjartan release has a bit of additional twist to it. He was expat local and obviously has local friends; one of them is a "business man", "B". Remember this is a country where big rollers move about in armoured cash vans as limos, a hit can be bought for $100US and any off-track tourist hotels will have shotgun wielding doormen; I'd look askew at anyone successful in Phillipines. Story I'd heard... B was somewhat upset ("apoplectic" was the term that was used) that someone had the audacity to kidnap a friend of his. B had people on ground, located Kjartan, and started "negotiations" (offered to send the rest of his boys to visit if Kjartan was harmed) within a couple weeks of the whole incident. Level of influence I'm not sure of but Kjartan was the only foreigner to walk away; with out question there was some local politics going on.
  2. Vendee Globe 2016?

    Too much stupid. To my understanding, Compulsory communications package, - Iridium phone in grab bag for emergency - Iridium self contained beacon for tracking and "OK" messaging - Iridium phone - Sat-C for safety and backup tracking and weather Except for the beacon, they can pull down weather data at varying speed and cost. RO's expect weather to come via data over Iridium and SI's clearly cover sending weather data via the Sat-C in the event of Iridium issue Everyone has FleetBB because it's a LOT faster data so they can start to do video conferencing, upload HD videos, grab every GRIB is existence, etc. Loss of FleetBB isn't really a huge deal, although jumping to the other thread of sponsorship dollars.... no media coming off the boat anymore.
  3. Vendee Globe 2016?

    If you did the maths breaking one foil 20% into the race and having to sail 80% without a foil vs carrying a spare for 200KG but sailing the whole race with 2 foils I reckon the later would win, or you don't have a spare and you haven't broken a foil at all so none of this really matters? 3 scenarios possible. At 200KG how would he move it from one side to the other? You used the words "foiling" and "weight conservation" in the same sentence... This is more relevant for full lift but still applies. Weight conservation is about wetted surface area; these are (semi) foiling boats, wetted surface doesn't apply anymore, ergo, weight no longer matters. I'm doubtful that HB has a spare foil but the logistical argument holds more water than the weight issue for me.
  4. Vendee Globe 2016?

    The only way I could see it working.... Patent pending... a foil which rotated in the horizontal plane to lay back beside/inside the boat. You have a hydraulic ram pushing the stump aft which has a pressure sensitive bypass dump so if it strikes anything it would fall back to the hull. Problems.... - Hinge pin which could rip the side of the boat out. - Unable to partially deploy foil (at least with out shifting centre of effort way back) What am I missing?
  5. Vendee Globe 2016?

    I'm loving all this conversation of "What? Strike something.... no way.... excuse for a failure". Striking shit is an almost daily occurrence during ocean crossings, especially in the Atlantic. When you're bombing along at 8 knots most of it is meaningless beyond "bump....bump....bump" down the side and some paint damage. A lot of it would still be meaningless at 20 knots but I've seen a container, 30'x3' log, nets (as in a cubic meter of), machinery tyres (as in 6' diameter), an industrial fridge for fecks sake... any of that would happily destruct foils. I'd imagine that the foils are pretty well (fail safe) engineered for horizontal bending loads. The math should be pretty simple... let's impact surface area X into water at a speed of 40 knots... math done. No, the last thing I'm saying is foil design is simple, just loads in the horizontal bending forces are limited... loads in the vertical plane and compression/tension is where things get interesting (ignoring wing side of things). The foils have a fairly obvious ability to rip a decent size hole in the side of the boat, so it follows it's obvious to engineer the foils as a fail safe when it comes to horizontal bends (e.g. hitting shit). The question is how much structure can they put in the hull and cases and as a result where the fail point in the foil is? There's no question that they will hit stuff.
  6. Vendee Globe 2016?

    Yes we'll find out how much of a Jackel Armel is as it seems Alex is not short of a speed advantage here and there? Alex has regained a couple of miles on Armel who was closing. Only 13% of the race completed and HB has already broken one record, I am sure the winner will beat the previous record when we are all said and done. All it takes is one catastrophic breakage to change all that for the front runners. Heaven forbid a non french person win this race? Ouch This is what scares me... "To finish first... ". The boat has proven it has the legs, AT's race history is black humour within the team. AT has proved he can send it time and time again; does he extend now and go to tactical in the south? This is what I was looking at yesterday.... I can see a massive fleet split and some big gains for the tail enders who get the St Helena shift timing right.
  7. Vendee Globe 2016?

    I hope the Australian Maritime Safety Authority and Australian Navy are in the loop. (and the Kiwis too) The Southern Ocean is a lot of space to cover. And .... the French, see zone marked "Reunion" on your map which covers the early deep south leg. Not only this means that French MRCCs are used to cooperate with their "neighbours" Australia, but if you look at the "Race director" infos on the VG websites,you'll see that the race director has one person in charge of communication with MRCCs along the route and that pre-race coordination has been conducted. Having himself capsized off New-Zealand in a RTW record attempt, you can be sure that the Race Director is taking special interest in this. Thanks for that... very interesting. So French it hurts.
  8. Vendee Globe 2016?

    I'm not sure this is a sketchy call and everyone else avoiding him. I think it might be routing and tactics decision. HB is a downwind rocket ship; routing says suffer through a bit more doldrums because it's not as painful for HB as everyone else. On the flip side he's gonna loose his speed advantage but will be heavily windward boat, able to run a bit deeper and have all the decisions to himself for the next couple days. St Helena could be fun, showing it moving well east by the end of the week, be interesting to see what the level of confidence in the modelling is. Could be some big gains for the back runners.
  9. Vendee Globe 2016?

    Morning Lab Rats,good points about equipment suppliers remmie but there is no substitute for training in big seas . I know its to early in the race but it will be interesting to see how HB goes upwind with less beam compared to the French wide beamers on the last leg home if they get that far. Sorry, wasn't making performance excuses, was simply highlighting the extent of the Franco/Anglo divide with regards to HB being welcome at La Roch training camps. AT clearly feels that he's better off with a tweaked B&G system than an off-shelf NKE which isn't surprising considering the product gap isn't that big. HB upwind... he's gonna get raped... he knows it and he'll cover cover cover.
  10. Vendee Globe 2016?

    First of all HB does not train in Port Le Foret because he is not invited. The offshore school in Port Le Foret is invite only, so much so that not even all the french teams are invited. They train for boat speed, sail handling, and tactics/routing not really for the local weather. HB is faster on some points of sail and that is a fact, because it was designed that way. HB chose to optimize one point of sail and the other teams decided some where in-between. For example his mast is the farthest aft, the J2 attaches very low on the mast and his foils have the most lateral plan, unlike all others that have a large vertical portion. All this means great downwind and reaching performance but we will see that when they have to sail upwind HB will suffer compared to all the other boats. Life is full of compromises... I'm sure that should Alex and HB wish to join the guys sailing/training in PLF they would welcome him with open arms. At the same time, Alex has his own schedule and training program. Keeping his dynamic boat and foil design hidden from the competition might have also given him the edge with the guys; being the 'unknown element'. HBs foils are no secret, he's on 1st gens after the 2nd gens went pop, everyone has been up close and personal with them. HB has always had an ethos of downwind speed, screw overall performance. I spent some time around the team in the lead up to the last edition and it was no secret that "Black/White" was a retired POS good for corporate sailing only, "Black" was a weapon of a boat all rounder, "Grey" was an Exocet downwind. They raced Grey with full knowledge that Black was the better boat because it's a downwind race. Alex was willing to sacrifice the top of the curve to stretch it down lower and believed it's the way to win VG. Based on the options ticked for the new boat doesn't look like that attitude has changed much. At a personal level I'm sure all the boys are friendly but at a national level the VG is a FRENCH race and the world will collapse when a non-Frenchman wins. Best example of this is look at Alex's instruments... B&G. My understanding is it's manufacturer support that's an issue, HB/AT ask for a software tweak or customisation then B&G deliver... NKE drag their feet.
  11. Rib Accident at VOR Lorient Start

    AFAIK, we don't know that the exclusion zone was in play (timing), we don't know if SD2 was inside the exclusion zone, and as far as I can find there was nothing official (e.g. NtM or similar) for the exclusion zone. Not saying they shouldn't respect it but I don't think it's as relevant as everyone else seems to. Sorry, this is a confusing word... "constrained" in ColRegs only comes up with regards to draught and that's not in play. A sailing boat is stand by (rather than give way... no such thing as "right of way") for... Not Under Command Restricted Ability to Manoeuvre Engaged in Fishing That's it, and none of that applies to any of this. They shall not impede the (safe) passage of boats using narrow passage or TSS. There's no such thing as commercial status in reference to the rules. Overtaking and conditions (with reference to traffic density and safe speed) is where SD2 went massively wrong; but on the overtaking count, if they're deemed to be overtaking then the RIB is clearly at fault according to the rules. I just about edited that because the context was wrong, what I was trying to say was that if SD2 was overtaking then the speed was irrelevant with regards to the RIB was obliged to maintain course. Overtaking gives way, absolutely. Obligation is on overtaken vessel to maintain course which did NOT happen. No signals required, open water, signals for overtaking only apply to narrow channels. Absolutely. Overseeing authority? I haven't seen anything to suggest VOR have any authority (technicality I know, honour system should be followed), I haven't seen anything that shows SD2 was breaking any of the VOR exclusion "rules" No signal required See comments about restricted area and I'm willing to lay money there was no way that RIB was commercial, not that has an relevance on any of the rules. I'm not saying SD2 isn't in the wrong, and I don't think the 20/80% is accurate, in my mind it's more like 50/50. I'm just completely lost by the people laying the blame at SD2's doorstep and I'm making the point that the RIB has done a hell of a lot of things wrong.
  12. Rib Accident at VOR Lorient Start

    Plenty of room (and meds) on the spaceship so don't be shy... Really? That's all you got? FFS, talk about knife and gun fights (actually scratch that... sticks and stones more than knives). Where would I begin? You have left the door wide open and your arse exposed. Here is just one for starters. How about ColRegs forming only one measure for attributing liability, not the only thing as you bang on about. One of the first questions any one will ask of both parties when assessing risk avoidance/mitigation is "What was the intention behind you being on the water, what steps did you take to mitigate risk and what were you doing up to and at the time of the incident towards fulfilling that intent and mitigating risk?" Need I go on. Hence my comment about differences in decision of maritime v's civil court. Unless you're a French, or more specifically a French lawyer, arguing liability is a bit pointless; it's generally subjective to the state laws (we'll make the assumption both captains and boats were French and we're not getting additional layers here). My point was about international maritime rules. So yes you do, your failure to comprehend the written word does not determine my mental stability.
  13. Rib Accident at VOR Lorient Start

    Go.... http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=166583
  14. Rib Accident at VOR Lorient Start

    Are you fucking shitting me??? I shit you not. All it takes is an NtM? I had an (admittedly) quick superficial look and couldn't see one, hence my comment about the exclusion zone meaning jack shit. No matter which way it rolls I really don't think the exclusion zone really had much to do with it, it comes down to SD's speed (a big mistake) v's a bunch of mistakes by the RIB.
  15. Rib Accident at VOR Lorient Start

    Plenty of room (and meds) on the spaceship so don't be shy... Really? That's all you got? FFS, talk about knife and gun fights (actually scratch that... sticks and stones more than knives).