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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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  1. Found these images on the net ages ago of that memorable "Holy Shit" moment from Race 7 of AC32. Taken from a spectator boat at the finish that I thought Id share with u guys hope you enjoy them WetHog ETNZ starts her penalty turn u can just see the Race Committee boat in white on left heading for the line Alinghi defends the Cup by 1 second check out the reaction of the Alinghi & ETNZ chase boats in the foreground
  2. Posted this earlier in a similar thread so apologies for anyone who has to read my crap twice as once is enough. As I said I like watching EVERY Americas Cup cycle as I respect not only the sailors who are sailing these various classes of yachts but the way they race in the boats course and conditions that are given to them. The port starboard mark rounding in the Round Robin between Artemis & ETNZ in Bermuda 2017 is right up there with the very best Americas Cup Racing Ive witnessed just like the epic thrilling final Race of the 1983 Americas Cup where our beloved Australia II broke thru to finally WIN the Auld Mug. NOTHING will ever compare to that 1983 Series and Australia II winning the Cup for me and all of us in Oz were spoilt with the Freo Doctor and months of Match Racing off Perth for the 87 Cup of which the 87 Finals tore our hearts out as DC & S&S87 thrashed us to take back the Auld Mug. The only reason Ive reposted the following is I hope all that think one era is better than the other is try and enjoy ALL of it. There are some impressive sailing duels to come in Bermuda 2017 so watch and enjoy regardless of if they are sailing 40+knots in a cat or 8.7 kts in a 12m. Time is the diffference in these short AC Races of today where instant gratification seems to govern it but the tension that built up over a couple of hours watching the old cups had to be lived thru to appreciate it. It was at least 40+minutes of utter tension watching Australia II & Liberty tack over 40 times to finally break that winning streak, it was hours watching that epic S&S87 vs Kiwi Magic LVC SF where they tacked twice as much in 24+knots, reached, gybed in an absolute thriller!! Even though AC 2017 is shorter its still exciting racing just different and appreciate what these Americas Cup Professionals designed, built and sailed in the history of the Americas Cup and all the various yachts they built which at the time contested the Americas Cup be it my beloved Australia II 12 KA6 or the last winning defender USA17 AC72!!! Watch & enjoy all of it!!! APOLOGIES for putting you thru all this!!! (previous thread) Are you not entertained........the old and the new IS SAILING you just have to watch it. For those of you that werent old enough to have seen these races and taped them on our old VHS tapes there is a couple of Races Ive watched on youtube from the 1995 Americas Cup the PACT95 vs S & S and the ONLY Race the Black Magic Beast NZL 32 ever lost to my countries one Australia AUS31 in Race 4 of the 95 LVC Finals. The start the tacking duel, the slam dunks, the ducks, the fallen spinnakers, the false tacks. If you cant appreciate this old "boring " race then why are you even watching sailing. Watch and devour as much of the 2017 Americas Cup as you can. Its gonna be awesome . The Americas Cup is the event for me. To have had my country WIN the Auld Mug with my beloved Australia II 12 KA6 was a dream come true as it mustve been for the yanks with Stars & Stripes 87 winning it back in 87 and every Kiwi watching Black Magic NZL 32 bring the Cup to different down under in 95 etc... just dont tell me it was boring. It was sailing and it still is in Bermuda for the Americas Cup in 2017!!! My bucket list for any who can watch the old regattas 1983 Americas Cup Race 7 Australia II vs Liberty (for obvious reasons) 1987 LVC Final Race 3 KZ7 d S&S87 by 38 seconds ( S&S87 leads to the first mark then a halyard breaks whilst they raise theyre America II spinnaker KZ7 gets buoy room at the mark then Dennis & Tom unleash hell as they tack over a hundred times in the last legs of the race in building breezes in an absolute classic) 1987 LVC Final Race 5 S&S87 d KZ7 by 1:29 ( blown out jibs, spinnaker foul ups, KZ7 hits the final mark as Chris Dickson & co give everything to try and win) 1986/87 Americas Cup Defender Series ANY race with Australia IV vs Kookaburra II & III ( you thought Kiwis & Aussies hate each other every time the Bond & Parry Yachts duelled there was blood in the water) 1992 AC Race 2 IlMoro Di Venezia d America3 by 3 seconds (Cayards luff on the Koch Boys the final gybing duel the dramatic finish) 1995 LVC Final Race 4 one Australia AUS31 d NZL 32 by 15 secs ( see Russell really stuff the start up, tacking duels, false tacks, slam dunks, ducking, spinnaker foul ups)The only Race Black Magic lost on the water in San Diego in 1995. 2000 AC R5 NZL 60 d Luna Rossa ( still impressive for me an Aussie to see the Kiwis become the first foreign nation to defend the Americas Cup) 2003 AC Race1 Alinghi SUI 100 d NZL 82 (trying to figure out what that Hula was and seeing NZL fill with water unbelievable, I was stunned and proud in 1987 watching Kookaburra III lose to sailing excellence with Dennis & Co in Stars & Stripes 87 thrashing us to win the Cup in 1987, I really didnt expect to see this in 2003 for the kiwis this was the first Americas Cup civil war) 2007 AC every Race of a gripping final especially Race 7 where Alinghi wins by 1 second 2010 AC just watching those amazing beasts sail was great as USA17 trimaran d the Alinghi 5 Cat 2013 AC Finals with the AC72s (ETNZ almost capsizing, the clock counting up to the time limit, Sir Ben swearing at the USA 17 crew as they tacked upwind and onto glory in AC34 after being 1-8 down!!!
  3. Totally agree Sir Ben & BAR will leave nothing in the tank. They are clearly underdogs and will have to sail flawlessly around the course to compete with ETNZ. OTUSA vs ETNZ showed what pressure can do as I never expected ETNZ to get a penalty for crossing the boundary shows they are human after all and not unbeatable by any means for BAR. ETNZ sailing technique I feel has been consistently the best of all the teams so far. BAR showed against OTUSA they can sail well as the start was critical and thats there advantage with Sir Bens agressive style. ETNZ are clear favourites as theyve shown consistently better speed around the course than BAR ...the talk of weather etc by the Kiwis..whatever..theyve been clearly faster and had less trouble with BAR and thats why they picked them. Pressure does make a difference and BAR have nothing to lose as ETNZ is expected to win easy and if Sir Ben can rattle them early who knows after all this is the Americas Cup and underdogs have prevailed before, same goes for Dean & SBTJapan . I know the odds are against BAR but hey its Sir Ben Ainslie and theres no better sailor who can put the blowtorch on Burling & Co so bring on Race 1 of the Challenger Playoffs, time to go to work BAR!!!Go get em!!!! Time to throw a BAR spanner in the ETNZ works!!!
  4. Imagine if this had been in the Americas Cup Final would they be entitled to the point they lost???
  5. Only just saw this on the Americas Cup Live Facebook 19mins ago and lept in posting it without checking on this thread about the umpires. My bad THANKS again
  6. An epic thriller like yesterday with Artemis & the Kiwis neck and neck. I think Nathan & Iain want to write a wrong today from that mistaken penalty yesterday
  7. Sorry just catching up on all of this now Ill delete the obvious post THANKS
  8. Artemis have theyre grudge match vs the Kiwis first so BAR will be fresh and they won RR1. BAR to win!!
  9. Sir Ben and his BAR Team can turn this around. They are Champions for a reason and Im looking forward to seeing them fight back in RR2. ETNZ, OTUSA, ARTEMIS are way ahead of the pack at the moment and improving all the time. The challenge to win the Americas Cup is huge and nothing has changed now all the teams are in to it. Future Cups and what Sir Ben can do is not relevant as they are fighting in this Cup and have huge work to do to get back on track and I know they can turn it around. Sir Ben & his BAR Team are Champions and they dont need a neville nobody like me to remind them of that fact. The criticism is justified as they are not sailing the boat as well at this time as the other teams and have made mistakes tactical, technical etc..Sir Ben & the BAR Team will be their harshest critics as they know the others are sailing away from them at the moment but they also have the skills to turn this around. Yeah I know this is a lot of emotional hot air from me. But just because the going is tough doesnt mean you dont stop supporting your team and that is the BAR Team and I have total faith in Sir Ben Ainslie and his Champion BAR Team that they can figure this out and get back into this fight. BAR arent out of this fight by a long way and RR2 is here and Im looking forward to seeing how a Champion Team like BAR turn around the adversity that face them now. Its RR2 no time to hide as they must perform and I cant think of anyone else youd rather see then at the helm than Sir Ben Ainslie leading his Land Rover BAR team back into the fight in the 2017 Americas Cup LVC
  10. I thought Artemis missed a trick here. If they had stayed clear and given room to ETNZ they would have had better speed into the last leg as ETNZ were gybing for the mark and wouldve lost speed as Artemis had laid the mark on port and were going fast and may have rolled past ETNZ as they built up to speed again on the final leg. So close and watching live I was struggling to keep up with an awesome race from both crews who have to react by anticipating whats ahead. Port/Starboard is pretty clear. a lesson learned but a fantatsic match race!!! heres to more to come.
  11. Totally agree, Sir Ben made a mistake the last thing anyone involved in both boats was for the hull to go so dangerously high and potentially cause harm to any of the sailors and damage to both boats. Dean Barker was making an agressive move to gain the advantage at the start never thinking the BAR mistake would put his crew at risk and flying his leeward hull up into SBTJ was the last thing Sir Ben wanted to do. Lesson learned it was a great hook from Dean Barker and Sir Ben made a mistake!!!Hes human after all and like any Champion will learn from this like all the Teams will when they review this racing incident. Racing incident thats all and definitely not the last collision were gonna see in AC2017. Sir Ben said if they hadnt kept on the foils BAR wouldve sunk as she started to when they finally docked so agree they shouldve abandoned the race before they did to get her back to the dock as soon as they could. But like everything in this the latest version of the Cup in 2017 all the sailors & teams are learning everyday, with no prior experience with damage like this to their boat the BAR team seemed ok to press on and keep fighting by sailing to race end. Im certain the BAR team will review this too. Lesson learned and move on to the next battle in the Americas Cup of 2017 as Sir Ben and every team rip in cause thats the only way youll succeed with these boats as they push them beyond their limits in the pursuit of Glory as there is no second!!!!! Go get em Sir Ben!!!
  12. Sir Ben Ainslie BAR to take the Americas Cup back to Britain after winning the LVC
  13. Agreed fun enough writeup on the FP today -- better than ever? I wrote a piece a couple of weeks ago refuting another writers assertion that sailing was somehow broken. I claimed the opposite citing flying boats and unbelievable record setting circumnavigations by some extraordinary French sailors, and I believe that my assessment was the right one. While I totally dislike the notion of doubling down because thats what crooked politicians do when caught out I feel that I need to double down on this one. I think that sailing is far from broken. Instead I think that sailing has never been stronger and more vibrant at least in the almost six decades that I have been messing around in boats. To make my point I am going to cite three very different events, two that will take place this year and one next year. First there is the Americas Cup set to kick off in May in Bermuda. Yes I know that there are plenty who mourn the old days of 12-meters and dislike the modern AC 45s, but give me a break. I can remember when sailing was first televised. I think it was the Americas Cup in Fremantle back in the 80s. You could hear the onboard commentary and I remember Tom Whidden, the tactician, talking Dennis Conner, the skipper, through a tack. They had come about and were building speed on the new tack. Whidden was saying, speed coming up Dennis. Four knots, five six and a half. Give me a break. Seven knots top boat speed. All that lead under the boat. Its no wonder people thought that sailing was the most boring sport ever. Take a look at this upcoming regatta. The closing speed of two AC 45s on opposite tacks can be as much as 70 miles an hour. Now thats what I call exciting. Two flying boats coming at each other racing full tilt on a razors edge between winning and catastrophe. Thats what people want to see. The chance of a pile up but if not, at least some superb, very exciting sailing. As part of the same event there will be two additional, spectacular races. The Americas Cup J Class Regatta and the Americas Cup Superyacht Regatta. They estimate that eight Js will be there. Thats extraordinary. Most of those boats were once wrecks relegated to some backwater somewhere. Now they will be racing against each other in the turquoise waters of Bermuda. And then there is the Superyacht Regatta. While I am not really a fan of these behemoths there is something to be said for a whole lot of them lumbering around the same course. Nope, sorry, you can complain all you want about the Americas Cup but I am still a fan. (etc) http://sailinganarchy.com/2017/04/03/better-than-ever/ Totally agree!!! Sailing is Sailing Foiling at +50 knots or slowly building to 6.5 knots with the likes of LEGENDS like Tom Whidden & Dennis Conner. Its still sailing the thing is Ive always loved watching the Americas Cup.... whatever they sail in from the old beloved 12 Meters I was brought up on or the new beloved AC50s about to be unleashed in the next format of the 35th AMERICAS CUP in 2017. I support the Americas Cup whether I agree with the type of boats mono or multi or the race format that entails. Most People and audiences today want instant entertainment fast races fast yachts however foiling 50+ and over in 30 minutes.In the world now people want instant gratification so the Americas Cup of 2013 had to try to reach out to a wider different non sailing audience to promote sailing. Doesnt mean its better or our old regattas were boring. Not every race sailed in the Americas Cup was exciting but thats the sport. Foiling AC72s had wind delays like every other class in the Cup. A foiling Aotearoa AC72 sailing alone in the first race of the 2013 LVC wasnt exciting but like all sailing it was interesting just like watching Dennis Conner & Tom Whidden slowly building up the speed in the likes of Freedom or S&S87. Even with my annoying rant here I cant sell it to you if you only think old regatta sailing is boring! I just totally disagree that sailing 6.5 knots match racing is not as EXCITING as foiling around at 50+ as they do today. Its all sailing its just sailing according to what they are actually sailing in and what those classes of yachts enable these world class sailors to perform with on the race course with more tacking, gybing etc in the old classic 12s or ACC yachts or foiling with the AC50s. Just cause Dennis Conner and all those Americas Cup Legends of the past didnt foil at incredibly fast speeds doesnt make them any less exciting to watch than the modern Americas Cup legends like Jimmy Spithill and Sir Ben Ainslie in their modern Americas Cup Yachts!!! The likes of Dennis Conner, Sir Peter Blake, Sir Ben Ainslie, Benny Lexcen inspired and entertained the world into the sport of sailing at the time they sailed in it. Both John Bertrand and modern professionals like Jimmy Spithill inspire regardless of how fast or how exciting the yachts and races they sailed. I marvel that all those Americas Cup sailors were able to design , build and race their yachts to their utmost potential whether they were tacking in a 12 Meter or keeping on the foils in an AC50. Im excited and looking forward to seeing what the next Americas Cup will bring the sailing world in 2017 off Bermuda!!! If you can only watch fast quick Americas Cup races in the new breed of AC50s your really missing out on equally exciting compelling sailing with the races that took place that I was able to witness and enjoy in my life so far and races that will always be enjoyable to watch for many years to come and the equally exciting sailing that still takes place in series like the TP52s all around the world. A Sydney to Hobart Race Start is still compelling and live on TV every boxing day in Oz. Its NOT better its just different sailing. The difference for me with the debate that is going to and fro between the new and the old regattas. Its time and a patience to watch a 2hr race and be as entertained as a quick modern AC Race and appreciate what these Americas Cup Professionals designed, built and sailed in the history of the Americas Cup and all the various yachts they built which at the time contested the Americas Cup be it my beloved Australia II 12 KA6 or the last winning defender USA17 AC72!!! Are you not entertained........the old and the new IS SAILING you just have to watch it. For those of you that werent old enough to have seen these races and taped them on our old VHS tapes there is a couple of Races Ive watched on youtube from the 1995 Americas Cup the PACT95 vs S & S and the ONLY Race the Black Magic Beast NZL 32 ever lost to my countries one Australia AUS31 in Race 4 of the 95 LVC Finals. The start the tacking duel, the slam dunks, the ducks, the fallen spinnakers, the false tacks. If you cant appreciate this old "boring " race then why are you even watching sailing. Watch and devour as much of the 2017 Americas Cup as you can. Its gonna be awesome . The Americas Cup is the event for me. To have had my country WIN the Auld Mug with my beloved Australia II 12 KA6 was a dream come true as it mustve been for the yanks with Stars & Stripes 87 winning it back in 87 and every Kiwi watching Black Magic NZL 32 bring the Cup to different down under in 95 etc... just dont tell me it was boring. It was sailing and it still is in Bermuda for the Americas Cup in 2017!!! My bucket list for any who can watch the old regattas 1983 Americas Cup Race 7 Australia II vs Liberty (for obvious reasons) 1987 LVC Final Race 3 KZ7 d S&S87 by 38 seconds ( S&S87 leads to the first mark then a halyard breaks whilst they raise theyre America II spinnaker KZ7 gets buoy room at the mark then Dennis & Tom unleash hell as they tack over a hundred times in the last legs of the race in building breezes in an absolute classic) 1987 LVC Final Race 5 S&S87 d KZ7 by 1:29 ( blown out jibs, spinnaker foul ups, KZ7 hits the final mark as Chris Dickson & co give everything to try and win) 1986/87 Americas Cup Defender Series ANY race with Australia IV vs Kookaburra II & III ( you thought Kiwis & Aussies hate each other every time the Bond & Parry Yachts duelled there was blood in the water) 1992 AC Race 2 IlMoro Di Venezia d America3 by 3 seconds (Cayards luff on the Koch Boys the final gybing duel the dramatic finish) 1995 LVC Final Race 4 one Australia AUS31 d NZL 32 by 15 secs ( see Russell really stuff the start up, tacking duels, false tacks, slam dunks, ducking, spinnaker foul ups) IF ANY KIWI has this race in full I'll gladly trade the 1987 LVC Race 3 on DVD with you!! 2000 AC R5 NZL 60 d Luna Rossa ( still impressive for me an Aussie to see the Kiwis become the first foreign nation to defend the Americas Cup) 2003 AC Race1 Alinghi SUI 100 d NZL 82 (trying to figure out what that Hula was and seeing NZL fill with water unbelievable, I was stunned and proud in 1987 watching Kookaburra III lose to sailing excellence with Dennis & Co in Stars & Stripes 87 thrashing us to win the Cup in 1987, I really didnt expect to see this in 2003 for the kiwis this was the first Americas Cup civil war) 2007 AC every Race of a gripping final especially Race 7 where Alinghi wins by 1 second 2010 AC just watching those amazing beasts sail was great as USA17 trimaran d the Alinghi 5 Cat 2013 AC Finals with the AC72s (ETNZ almost capsizing, the clock counting up to the time limit, Sir Ben swearing at the USA 17 crew as they tacked upwind and onto glory in AC34!!!
  14. THANKS for this. Great to know where our Australian Americas Cup Yachts are now. Just a quick question, I know after the 83 Cup Campaign both Australia II & Challenge 12 were obviously shipped home to Oz but was Advance just left in the USA until her eventual demise in late 2000s???
  15. Sir Ben Ainslie & his BAR vs Artemis in LVCF BAR to win 2017 AC The Americas Cup returns to Britain