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  1. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    The flaw in your argument is that as soon as LP launched their new class association, they lost all rights to representation on in an organisation they no long recognise. As such, there is zero need to keep the builder's rep informed of what is going on. I am not arguing for a reduction in transparency, but rumour and wishful thinking is not the same as passing on facts. They are going to look rather stupid and naive if there is no letter of support from WS very soon. What they have done is tipped off LP what might be about to happen and if i were LP, on hearing this, i would have been straight on to WS with 2 things, a threat to cancel one of WS's main sponsorship deals plus a legal threat to go to court to stop WS taking sides. I believe that informing the membership if what is going on behind the scenes has significantly reduced the chances of getting that all important WS support (I think it is now unlikely to happen soon). that was a stupid mistake. If they had waited a short while and simply produced something from WS supporting ISCA, there would have been little LP could have done about it. I also agree with JimC. Overall, I cannot see any benefits of the announcement.
  2. A Class Worlds - Classic Division

    Correct, but....... The decksweeper on the foilers does 2 things. It is aerodynamically more efficient and it lowers the centre of effort of the rig, which unloads the foils which makes foiling easier. On a classic, you need to pop a hull to go fast downwind and the lower CoE is why WnW reports problems in 6-10 knots. You cannot make a decksweeper without lowering the CoE unless your sail ends up looking silly, so it will be interesting to see if a compromise can be found. I suspect it is easier in Australia where we tend to do less lighter wind sailing.
  3. Where is Best Beach Cat Racing/Sailing in Australia?

    There are 101 different reasons not to live in Sydney (why would you if you can live in Melbourne) but there is even a decent cat club there. Kurnell Cat Club offers pretty good sailing and fleets.
  4. AC 36 Protocol

    Getting totally sick of this victim mentality and excuses from ETNZ fanboys. It's the mentality of losers. In 2003, EB won because TNZ was not good enough. In 2007, EB won because TNZ was not good enough. In 2013, OR won because ETNZ was not good enough. In 2017, ETNZ won because they were the best. It doesn't matter what the defender does, if you are the best you will win. ETNZ as a team realised that and delivered. It is a shame the fanboys don't seem to get it.
  5. Oracle Team USA

    I don't know if the new Larry circuit will happen or not and it will never be the AC, but it is hugely attractive, particularly if there is fleet racing which is what will differentiate it. If I was a billionaire where would I spend the money? I enjoy following the AC but don't have the ego or desire to fund a campaign, but the AC50's get me wildly excited. They are the greatest racing machines of my lifetime and I have heard the sailors who have been lucky enough to train and race in them tell of their experiences. I would fund one just for the odd ride I could get. Maybe insist on a guest seat when racing. Now how cool would that be? I would know it wasn't the AC, but I would not care. It's not about the AC. It is about the coolest racing boats on the planet.
  6. Team NZ

    I don't think it's that simple and just a case of money. The issues seem pretty complex.
  7. Team NZ

    As usual, you cannot help yourself. When you are behind in the arguments, you get abusive. All i did was quote sclarke. How can that be trying to stuff words into his mouth? Either he said it or he didn't. What he clearly said was It is clear from what jaysper and others have posted that sclarke is saying they are not kiwi fans. That goes for Sir Stephen Tindall as well, because he clearly sees a possibility that it won't happen in Auckland. Nobody takes a year off from his role and company just to be part of a process that is going to happen anyway. He sees the risk and is going to do all he can to make sure the possibility doesn't become a probability or actually happen. It has a bit of a feeling of SF about it. Everybody believed that SF would step up, but in the end, if it had not been for Larry's money, it would not have happened. For Auckland, there isn't a Larry sitting in the wings prepared to bail out the financials if needed. It looks like there will be a lot of hard work needed to make it happen. I hope and believe the most likely outcome is that the next AC will be on Auckland, but anybody who doesn't see the possibility that Auckland doesn't get it's act together in time really does have their head buried in the sand.
  8. AC36 Auckland NZ

    More smoothly? Who cares how smooth it is. It's about getting it done. I expect exactly the opposite of smooth. It looks as if it's going to be a street fight. The "obvious" thing is that Tindall recognises how at risk everything is and he wants to make sure it happens. He wouldn't be doing it if he felt it was going to happen come what may, as suggested by some on here. As the article suggests, it is great news because having a person of Tindall's stature throwing himself almost full time into making it happen has got to significantly improve the chances of Auckland hosting the AC.
  9. AC36 Auckland NZ

    If it is such a slam dunk that Auckland will come through and host, why has Tindall decided he needs to dedicate so much time to helping make it happen?
  10. Team NZ

    Attention jaysper and Nutta. How do you feel about being accused of not being a Kiwi fan? I am not sure what being a fan has to do with whether the council will act in time, but as an outsider, it seems clear to me that the rabid NZ fanboys says there is no chance the cup will happen anywhere but uckland while the NZ fans who have always been reasonable seem to think there is a chance. Who do you believe, guys sclarke and Indio or jaysper and Nutta? Also interesting how certain NZ journalists are hailed as getting to the bottom of the truth on some things but when it is something that isn't liked, they are called hacks. No inconsistency there
  11. Team NZ

    Indio I admire your belief, but enough of your countrymen on here plus NZ journalists say it is a real possibility so I cannot see how you can be so dismissive, unless you have some insider knowledge. I am sure you and I agree on this, that we both hope and expect Auckland to come through, but not to see the real possibility of the next AC being in Italy seems to me to be burying your head in the sand.
  12. 14' Stunt S9 Foiling Cat

    Yes Not at all. Michelle is saying that only an A Class Classic can make better VMG upwind than an S9 but the S9 beats A foilers. I am saying that you have to be a poor foiling A sailor if you aren't beating Classics upwind and that on a like for like sailor basis, an A foiler will be significantly faster than a Classic. This didn't used to be the case, but things have moved on. Even if you are not foiling upwind, a good foiler boat should now be faster upwind in all but the lightest conditions with like for like sailors. Therefore. his analysis is wrong because he is comparing the S9 against poor A foiler sailors. You seem to be unaware of the make up of the A fleet. It does attract rock stars but they represent less than 5% of the fleet at major championships and they rarely appear the rest of the time. The vast majority are just regular sailors like the people who post on this forum. Go check out the US fleet. With no disrespect intended, it is not made up of rock star sailors. This is why we get such big turnouts. The vast majority of people sailing foiling A's are nothing more than regular guys and girls who are "weekend warriors". Sorry, Charlie,the reputation thing is a distortion of reality. I cannot deny the reputation is there, but it comes from people who aren't in a position to properly comment. I admit an A isn't as easy as the S9, but we are not talking about something like the difference between a UFO and a Moth. Anybody who tells you that sailing a foiling A isn't attainable by the average sailor hasn't sailed a properly set up A. Just like you found with the S9, if you don't have the set up right, life is hard. A badly set up A looks impossible to sail and feels impossible to sail. From the comments you and other S9 sailors have made, it was very clear that the basics of how you sail both the A and the S9 are very similar but i believe you need to refine the same skills a little more for the A, which is achievable for most. All this misses something important. The A and the S9 appeal to different types of people and it isn't just about how easy or hard they are to sail. All sorts of other things come into play. The boats aren't in competition with each other, except in the mind of Michelle. The market is more than big enough to support both classes, and others as well.
  13. VOR 2017-18

    With Witty's reputation for scant regard for the RRS, it is only a matter of time before we see Scally protested for something. I bet all teams are keeping well out of the way to keep their boat intact! Remember the start of the Fastnet?
  14. Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    Charlie I believe you are mistaken and the response on both boats should be the same. The issue is that the boat coming in on top of you happens fro 2 reasons and the response is exactly the opposite in each case. Get them muddled and you swim! The boat comes over on top of you for 2 reasons. First, there is a lull. In this case, you head up, sometimes pretty sharply. Done correctly and you get 2 things working for you - the centrifugal force corrects the windward heel and the sharp head up increases the wind flow over the sail. You might also need to ease the sail because the apparent wind has swung back and you don't want to stall the sail or matters get worse. Then there is the windward heel due to an increase in speed. An increase in speed drags the apparent wind forward, so you have to pull away from the wind to stop the windward heel increasing. In this case, easing the sail will make matters worse. How do you know which you need to do? The big problem is that what you need to do is very contrary to what you normally think. You are sheeting out for power and sheeting in to depower! You need to develop the feel for it but if you watch the tell tales they will help tell you what is needed. It only works if you were correctly sheeted before the excess windward heel starts, but assuming it as, when you get the lull situation, the leeward tell tale will be lifting while when you get the speed increase situation, the windward tell tale will lift. The biggest issue is that writing it down is a lot easier than doing it. I had all the time I wanted to write and get the order of things correct. If I wasn't sure, I stopped writing and thought about it. You don't have that time luxury when sailing! This is why I swim a lot. Knowing what to do is very different from being able to do it.
  15. 14' Stunt S9 Foiling Cat

    You 'really need to stop your constant distortion of the truth. You do not make a proper comparison. The As you sail against are really poor performers who are not representative of the performance of foiling A's. I know this for a fact because of what you say A properly sailed current foiler makes better VMG upwind than the best A cat classic in all but non trapezing conditions. As soon as you get foiling, the difference is huge. Foil an A properly upwind and you can achieve the same course heading as a Classic but you go at least 5 knots faster. Even a very average foiler like me can make better VMG than a classic, although I cannot manage the same height as the good guys achieve. If it is one of the top guys, they can now point higher and go something like 8-9 knots faster than a classic while the very best achieve significant bursts of even faster speed. So if the A foilers you are comparing the S9 against cannot make better VMG than a classic, they really are weak and cannot be used as a comparison. More "fake news". You used to sail and build A's, but you have not built an A that was competitive on the world stage for something like 10-15 years. You have not competed in the fleet against modern foilers. You are so out of date and out of touch it isn't even funny any more. Once again, nobody denies the S9 is a great boat. It is good enough to stand on its own and doesn't need comparison with an A.