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  1. IPLore

    Team NYYC

    Actually, as I posted, I would be disappointed if Burling was offered $35 million to sail with Magic because I like the concept of the helm being a national for both teams. But yes it was Burling I was referring to when I said the credibility of the US afterguard could be turned around by spending mega dollars on a single New Zealander. I just dont want it to happen is all. At the moment the two most credible afterguards are Ineos and ETNZ. The Italians seem motivated to head in the right direction. But someone needs to tell American Magic that the Americas Cup is not being hosted in TP52s.
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    Team NYYC

    Sorry. The opening was too good to pass up.
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    Team NYYC

    Do you mean Rod Davis the Olympic gold medalist for the USA and skipper of American Eagle in 1987? or do you mean Rod Davis helm of New Zealand Challenge in 1992 AC or Rod Davis helmsperson for One Australia in 1995 or Rod Davis the sailing coach for Italian team for the next two America's Cups Before returning to Emirates Team New Zealand, where I agree he has made an unmistakable contribution to NZ yachting and resides as a true New Zealander. Russell Coutts has made an even more incredible contribution to NZ yachting:, but no, that is not who I meant.
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    Team NYYC

    Turns out that he is now living in the United Emirates. I kid you not. Does that make him a kiwi? Its amazing to me that he was at Sparkman and Stephens in 1971, designed AC 12 meters Magic, Liberty and Eagle and is still building yachts (very large ones).
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    Team NYYC

    Once the designer rule was lifted, the kiwis have certainly sought designers wherever they think best. But I thought that the one unique feature of both the Brits and the Kiwis is that their boats have always been steered by a national. I could be wrong. I think Rod Davis had already represented NZ in the Olympics and had become a NZ citizen by the time he helmed a NZ boat. I would fail the test if asked who steered Michael Fay's DOG monster vs the catamaran in 1988 . I have no idea and cant be bothered to Google. I 100% agree the teams have been very international since 1987. Its become more like Formula 1. As a spectator I think its easier to get behind a boat driven by a national. If the American Challenge really wants to spend a ton of money to make their challenge look suddenly competitive, there is one guy they should hire and he is a New Zealander. But as an sailing fan and an American I hope he is sailing for NZ .
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    Team NYYC

    Johan was born in the Netherlands but he came to the US in 1971 to work for Sparkman and Stephens and became a citizen. His office used to be in NYC and I think he ended up in Wisconsin. In 1983, they were very strict on applying the designer rule. Rumors were rife that the winged keel had not been designed by Ben Lexcen but by some designers in the Netherlands. Alan Bond has to refute a challenge from the NYYC. The Dutch engineers testified that they had merely been hired to tank test the Australian designed keel. In 2009 the leader of the Dutch team of naval architects, Piet van Oossanen claimed responsibility for the original design of the keel’s winglets and later even claimed he had accepted $25,000 in hush money from Bond to testify that all they had done was tank testing. I think that the truth eventually came out from Joop Sloof just a couple of years ago (2016). Joop was the brilliant aeronautical engineer employed by Van Oosanen who had worked most closely on the winglets with Ben. Paraphrasing, he said that Ben and he had independently concluded that winglets could work on a keel, and yes the Nederlands tanks allowed Joop to refine the detail of the design BUT at the end of the day, it was Ben who wanted to investigate the effect of winglets, Ben who understood the whole design and how winglets worked within the whole design. As the guy who did all the heavy lifting in the Netherlands facility, long after everyone else was dead, Joop still feels the credit for putting wings on a 12 meter belongs to Ben Lexcen. Lot of kudos to Mr. Sloof. Interestingly, Johan V knew about the wings because he was a friend of Joop Sloof and Joop had told him way back in 1983 that he had worked on designing wings for Australia II. Johan even mentioned Joop's role in a New York Times article in 1985 about his work on designing Eagle. Johan was the cause of the rules of citizenship being tightened up. He was one of the hot shots of his day in 12 meter design. I think there is little doubt that he helped Ben on Australia 1 in 1977 and helped the French team in 1980. The designer nationality rule was very much in place (issued as a rule by the NYYC as their interpretation of the DOG and part of the rules agreed to accept a challenge) in both those years. I think that Johan got round it be simply obtaining Australian nationality in 1977 and French in 1980. So NYYC tightened up the nationality requirement.
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    Team NYYC

    Prior to the 1987 AC, the yacht had to be designed by citizens of the nation it represented. Although the rule was relaxed for the 1987 AC in Freemantle, all of the challengers and defenders were designed by a local national. The first yacht to compete in an AC that was not designed by a citizen of the nation it represented was Il Moro de Venicia in 1992; skippered by Paul Cayard and designed by German Frers. Yes 1992 was in my lifetime.
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    Team NYYC

    Finally! In all seriousness the New Zealand team is a New Zealand team and hugely respected as such. Historically the America's Cup has always had an element of recruiting talent internationally, dating right back to the matches between Columbia and Shamrock. So when some NZ fans started ragging on the American team for not being "American " enough, I thought I would make the handles hot to hold. In the history of the AC, there have been different periods when the crews were predominantly international (1901) and predominantly national (12m era). However the big inflection point occurred when designers went international. The rules used to require " the yacht is to be designed by citizens of the nation it represents" Some of us can remember the acrimony around whether Australia II keel had been tank tested in the Netherlands. It all seems quaint by today's standards. What is interesting about the current defender and three challengers is that there exists the possibility that the helms of all 4 boats might be national citizens of the challenging and defending clubs/nations. IMHO, it is viscerally easier to support a national team when the helm is a national. I will be supporting America Magic but my money is on Ineos and ETNZ. Both have fully committed to foiling talent in their sailing team and design team. America Magic feels like a TP52 program and I dont think that is a winning formula. I'm rooting for the home team and I hope they turn it around.
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    Team NYYC

    One of the reasons one admires the Emirates team so much is that there is no "foreign" or "domestic". They are a truly multinational team. Its not only their sponsors that come from all around the world. The Italian/swiss team principal, the Australian skipper, the Kiwi helm and their brilliant English and French design leaders work together in harmony showing that the truly great teams transcend national boundaries. They will be hard to beat. But this thread is about the American team.
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    Team NYYC

    + 1. I think the Emirati team should be allowed as many kiwis as they damn well like. I dont know what all the fuss is about.
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    Team NYYC

    Not at all. I think it is great to have a multinational entry.
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    Team NYYC

    Correct. The following Americans are in the sailing team for the American sponsored and American skippered team America Magic: 1. Terry Hutchinson (Annapolis, Maryland, United States) 2. Andrew Campbell (San Diego, California, United States) 3. Bora Gulari (Detroit, Michigan, United States) 4. Trevor Burd (Marblehead, Massachusetts, United States) 5. David Hughes (Miami, Florida, United States) 6. Matt Cassidy (San Diego, California, United States) 7. Nick Dana (Newport, Rhode Island, United States) 8. Cooper Dressler (Coronado, California, United States) 9. Luke Muller (Ft. Pierce, Florida, United States) 10. Caleb Paine (San Diego, California, United States) 11. Alex Sinclair (Newport, Rhode Island, United States) The following citizens of the United Arab Emirates are in the sailing team for the Emirates sponsored and Australian skippered team, Emirates Team NZ. 0 Like many other teams, both have a heavy component of kiwis on board. The Emirates team naturally has more kiwis because they couldnt find any arabs, which is a shame because they could do more for the grass roots of Middle East sailing. I have a lot of respect for Ian Walker who went to great efforts to find and train some local sailors from the UAE for his Volvo campaign.
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    Team NYYC

    The hardest team to decide country of origin was the Dubai team. Do I go by where the majority of the money came from (Dubai)? Do I go by where the skipper is from (Australia)? I felt I couldn't go by the crew because almost every team has kiwi crew. So to be consistent across everyone, I followed the money. To be fair to the Arab team, they have a kiwi helm and are challenging from a NZ club, so at least it has a kiwi flavor to it. (Am I trolling the NZ fans who are always going on and on about nationality of the teams? Maybe a bit....)
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    Team NYYC

    Perhaps this table is helpful : Hat, coat....good bye
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    I agree with Dog on this. Brexit makes zero sense. It makes even less sense for the largest private owner of manufacturing plants in the UK. He must have an illogical streak. Some have suggested this as an explanation for the Brexit vote, the nearest thing to Turkeys voting in favor of Thanksgiving