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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.

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  2. None of the posts appear to answer the above, and though my opinion doesn't really count (I'm over 40), it seems like a very good question to ask. I do note that the cost for a new, state of art race winner is $25K, but a second hand foiler - to get you started - can be had for as little as £2750. (The cost for pre-loved foilers is coming down). See here for a cheaper foiler (there are other adverts on the site): http://www.mothmart.com/foiling-moth/mistress-for-sale-possibly-the-cheapest-foiler-ever/
  3. Here's a link that contains where to watch, including live tracking and TV: http://www.sailing.org/paralympics/rio2016/news/40749.php?utm_source=Making+Waves&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Para+World+Sailing+News+-+12+Sept#.V9c2jJgrJOa Australia is off to a great start being in the lead of two of the three classes (2.4 metre and the Sonar): http://www.sailing.org/paralympics/rio2016/results/index.php
  4. 100% agree, and it's a pretty good design as a feeder class. I think over time, it's going to have a more solid second hand market than the moth if one design principles are adhered to. Also, in mixed club fleets, I predict there will be a healthy amount of bragging rights if a Waszp beats an Int. Moth, much in the same way that happens when a Laser Radial sailor beats Laser Standard sailor (Maybe even more so). I can see the Waszp establishing as a class quite quickly! I think 'junior' is a misnomer - rather as a beginner class - and I can see some sailing both - particularly if a separate class is established and they hold separate contests at different times.
  5. The following was written for Tasars, but can be adapted for most similar classes: http://www.tasar.org/media/3307/manual_4.pdf The section on planing to windward is on page 7 near the bottom of the first column and continues on pages 8 and 9. I'm not sure I'd sail exactly the same way - the text seems a little dated, for example, I wouldn't pull the foil up halfway - but there is a lot of detail that will certainly get you thinking in the right direction.
  6. Just three days until the start. http://www.sailing.org/rio-2016-paralympic-games.php
  7. Not actually correct. Even if Aleh and Powrie had not been chucked from race 1 and their 6th place had counted, they would still have gone into the medal race behind Mills and Clark. Surely you realise that Mills and Clark only came 8th in the medal race because all they had to do was make sure they finished and with no penalties and therefore their strategy was simply to stay out of everybody's way. If they had a team closer to them, they would have sailed a very different medal race. To say that Aleh and Powrie would have won gold without the DSQ is simply wrong. They would have needed to finish 3 places ahead of the Brits in the medal race in order to win gold. Who knows if they could have achieved that. Using the same logic, Aleh and Powrie would have sailed differently in races 5 & 6, where they bombed in race five with an uncharacteristic 12, then mucked up race six for their second DSQ. Both admit to having a few head issues before getting it all together from race 7. It's all conjecture and speculation about the what if - including not just the medal race but other races prior. On points - if they were allowed to carry their 6th in race on and their first in race six, then they would have secured gold. Statements like this are not meant to address that subsequent races would have been sailed differently - they would have been for sure. In the end, they carried 21 points - and the gold was won by 10 - and I know there could be many spins on it - what can't be disputed was that it took a huge amount of mental toughness and sailing skill to claw back to second.
  8. I spent a day on the shoreline of the medal race course at Weymouth 2012 and what you didn't necessarily get from the TV was that you wouldn't run a Nationals on that course let alone a World Championship. It was small, breeze coming off a shoreline, shifty as hell. The medal course in Rio was much worse. No I don't like the medal race concept. It's not a fair way to decide an event. Very cool that you were at Weymouth. I grew up with very shifty small lake sailing - and to this day love many short legs, shifty gusty winds and flat water. It makes for close racing, can recall 50 plus boats of different classes trying to round a buoy in 0-2 knots - bedlam. In spite of the conditions, the same people keep doing well - this is because of skill and fitness (both mental and physical). The medal race is fair in the sense that it is the same for everyone - however I completely get what you are saying. It's unusual, most other sailing championships are not sailed that way - though there is a tendency to copy the Olympics. Double points are kind of compensated by the reduced fleet size. For the most part, the medalists still finished near the front - there were exceptions. And for several classes, the medals were decided before the start of the medal race - for several classes DFL in the medal race meant less points than when the whole fleet sailed. It's just a little different. There's a big part of me that wants upwind finishes - these newfangled downwind finishes are different - but having competed with both - they are fine - it's still a race, and the tactics are much the same - and it's the same for everyone - the good sailors just adjust and get on with it.
  9. http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/womens-49erfx-medal-race-video-highlight-rio-olympics Yup boring. Dawg Gonit thinks that racing is going to be chopped from the Olympics because it it's too boring. Here's nearly 3.5 hours of racing (the marathon): WHich is more exciting? Which is more exciting, a discussion on tactics for the marathon, or sailing? How about equipment? Or the conditions? The sailing commentary does need to improve - and it seems to be getting better over time generally - though I don't think Rio was as good as London.
  10. I once had a gecko stow-away on a catamaran I was sailing in Fiji. Once I got into some waves, it came running aft - so I caught it and took it into shore. There are Orca in the Pacific - here's a dude mad enough to make friends (filmed Monday a few days ago): http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/destinations/nz/83945845/drone-captures-army-bay-orca-encounter
  11. The changes made for TV are OK - while I liked the old Olympic course (Triangle - windward - leeward - triangle - beat to finish) it was more of a marathon - I love the shorter race formats - more races - and double points for the medal race with the best 10 only is an interesting development. It's not the only sport to be changed for TV / the Olympics. For example, table tennis increased the ball size and changed the scoring for TV. I agree, and the last race was particularly good. Jo Aleh and Polly Powrie had possibly one of the biggest clawbacks I've ever seen - nobody seems to be talking about the two DSQs they carried anymore - the first was dubious - they would have secured gold without that first DSQ. (And I have no problem with more medals heading south). The other racing that was great to watch was the 49erFX - with 1 point separating the first four boats heading into the medal race. It made for excellent TV - I was absolutely captivated. What's needed is a lift in the TV commentary. To forget about trying to pander to those who are watching sailing for the first time - and get into the tactics - and just call it. I missed the NZders blowing their lead in the 49erFX medal race by not covering - assumed (wrongly) that they were covering other boats - but they weren't and allowed the Brazilians to go left, get more pressure and take gold - they were lucky to come away with second. What gets me is that the commentators made very little mention of the mistake. Pretty sure that Peter Lester would have been aware (he's an ex OK dinghy world champ) - they did comment when the Brazilians got more pressure.
  12. The have an interesting setup, no ramp at the club. Instead they have a single crane where they hoist boats in. Seemed like there were more Lido 14s than Coronado 15s when I looked. BUT - yes - the Coronado 15 offers trapeze sailing! Fleet captain is John Richardson. Fleet seems a little stronger than I first thought, but don't expect big turnouts.
  13. Sailing is on the chopping block (for the Olympics) because the classes selected have closer racing than the 18 footers? Really? REALLY??? Apparently, this means I am thinking in the past - and there is a possibility that I may not catch up in the future. (With respect Mr Einstein, I clearly don't know what I'm thinking so next time I think I'm going to have a thought I better consult you? Sheesh. Come on. Your deductive reasoning is underwhelming. Perhaps the reason you don't like tactics is because you don't understand it? You seem to be suggesting that sailing will be dropped from the Olympics - and that thinking like mine is the reason. You seem keen to cast stones, but offer no constructive way forward. A foiling class? Which one?) In the mean-time (in the real world), Olympic Sailing has a strong following, and the oldest Olympic class, the Finn, does not appear to be close to being replaced for 2024 - I think 2016 was a success for the Finn. The other classes look OK - the weakest class so far as international depth is concerned is the 49erFX. My thoughts is that stability is good for the sport - and development needs to be concentrated on giving depth - including building national fleets, while being open to developing classes. In order to do this, they should announce the classes for 2024 and 2028 now, so we know what the future holds. Perhaps being always three Olympics in advance? Instability has knocked the RSX about - as an example of what not to do.
  14. R Class foiling skiff winning a race back in 2010:
  15. You really don't know what you are talking about, do you. Have you ever watched 18's racing. It is broadcast every Sunday in season and the racing in Sydney harbour is very, very close. I was fortunate enough to sail a JJ and a few races in the lead up and can say that it is some of the best skiff racing you could ever do, if you get bored doing that, you can't have a pulse. This "very very close" concept is not reflected in fleet sizes or finish times. The JJ series had about 30 entries from memory - which for 18 footers is great! There are very few tacking duels - simply because the boats lose too much speed from tacking. Boats are just as likely to sail lower for a bit to get clear air than two quick tacks to find clear air. Racing is more of a drag race than being tactically testing. (I've raced skiffs, boat speed and handling are more important than in other classes.) The difference between the first boat and the last boat in the JJ series always seemed to be 10 minutes or more, the difference between 5th and 20th was 5 minutes plus. Example: race 6 of the JJ series 21 Feb 2016 the difference between 5th and 20th was 5:17. It's close for 18 footers, but simply put, not as close as with many other classes. It's not exactly a procession or follow the leader, however places don't change as a result of tactics and subtle wind shifts as much to do with handling errors or outright boatspeed. I suppose that's a different kind of exciting. Mostly, the racing of 18 footers is in smaller fleets. I've sailed in non-skiff fleets where multiple boats have finished within one second. Where the finish times given are the same for two boats, so they are declared equal. (In some fleets in which I have competed, that happens several times a year). The Olympic single handed classes in particular had some very close racing, where it was common for the majority of the fleet to finish within a minute. Example, race 10 of the Finns at Rio the difference between 5th place and 20th place was 1:31. It's closer no matter which way you look at it - and closer is to me more exciting. I based my comment on the picture of a 18 footer sailing alone. I find pictures of starting line of 40 plus boats of one design yachts exciting - because it reminds me of the times I have sailed in fleets of that size. My point is that sailing fast boats like 18 footers (or faster boats) - after the initial thrill, the adrenaline tends to decline. Once you adjust to the speed - for me - it gets to be unremarkable. It would appear that you are as correct in stating that I don't have a pulse as you are in calling the 18 footer racing close. (I suppose it's all relative.) Having observed skiff racing for a few decades, my time racing skiffs was brief, only two seasons - so yeah - I possibly have a lot to learn about skiffs. As for JJ series being the best skiff racing you could ever do, I know a few Musto Skiff sailors who would be more than pleased to debate the issue with you. As for me, I will bow to your superior knowledge because on high authority (yours Team_GBR) I clearly don't know what I'm talking about.