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  1. Macif

    Have they announced if Macif is doing the Route de Rhum? It would be cool if they were there with Gitana and BP
  2. World’s first 3D printed sailboat/Mini 650

    Yes you have to be very careful about what people call 3D printing, either to ride the tail of the hype train or because the words are actually from ill informed and/or lazy media. Clearly boat building is really labour intensive and one can certainly imagine more automated ways to put fiber and glue together, but can they really get rid of woven fabric? We shall see.
  3. A big project!

    You' guys are indeed right that Powell made a distinction between what he's doing and Tally Ho, but the concerning thing is that for him, profitability means sustainability. Which in the end is what matters, as we desperately want to see our friends like Leo and Dylan Winter be able to keep doing what we love them doing. So we hope that Leo can sustain the project despite the scale of the challenge.
  4. A big project!

    It's a fantastic project but it was a little unnerving in Episode 17 having Luke Powell telling Leo in no uncertain terms that rebuilding rather than building from scratch was going to be a really tough and financially challenging road. Now that Tally Ho's keel timber has been replaced one wonders, restoration philosophy notwithstanding, whether it would be better just to build essentially a new boat by closely copying the old boat and reusing the odd timber here and there. I say that because having watched all the videos in this great series I cannot imagine there is very much salvageable lumber in Tally Ho. Unless I suppose one is willing to spend vast amounts of time scarfing replacement pieces into old ribs. Which might not be so bad but you're essentially rebuilding the boat from the keel up so it's more like a new build. Leo clearly knows his trade, and I'm sure he will come to some practical decision on this matter. It is a wonderful series. Hey Leo if you're reading this let me know if you need help grant writing. I'd love to come volunteer but I don't have time to get down there. But I'm good at hustling institutional funders....
  5. Nacra F18 infusion MK3

    I was recently told by guy who just built a foiling A-cat (which is a whole interesting story in itself) that epoxy is much easier to work with at small scales as the vapor pressure is lower so components don't evaporate during the vacuum process. But it was going to be hundreds of dollars more per hull than vinyl ester. Which is not trivial but not the greatest cost of the thing. Why otherwise is epoxy so much better?
  6. Best Race Committee Boats

    Jericho Sailing Centre has the Albatross http://www.jsca.bc.ca/inthewind/itw_12_11_16.html - scroll down about half way or search for Albatross. Purpose built as a committee boat and works pretty well I think. It was built in 1978 and is still going strong.
  7. I love the machine translation, it makes the whole project seem that much more badass, "for the new boat, the new leaf is white for now" and "We have not stopped our choice. On the technical level, we are in the reflection ", adds the butcher. I was helping my son with Grade 9 socials which involved him writing a newspaper article on the Vendee rebellion of 1793. It did make me reflect on the degree to which this tremendous commitment to ocean racing seems to be not just a French phenomenon, but a west French phenomenon. This regional identity aspect is not something that's easy to spot from outside. It's awesome anyway.
  8. Uglyboat Admiration Society Hang Out

    The Bolger boat is 100% suitable for this thread as a non-work boat as it was never used, and as it's for sale, it's even suitable for Mocking Ads on Craigslist. The reason this is the case is Phuma combines the quixotic quest to build an unusual boat without using a standard yard with a special sort of late academic career, extended vanity project. If you are a professor and you have an idea for a large scale research project, you have to build support among colleagues, find a core of collaborators and write appropriate grants or lobby funders, foundations or even the government directly to support the initiative outside of conventional spending. This is how the big stuff, like telescopes and particle accelerators gets built, but lots of equipment in the $100K to $5 million range gets done this way too, especially if it is best shared among many labs. There are plenty of research vessels that have been built with these funding approaches, such as the new RRS Sir David Attenborough (aka Boaty McBoatface), but I know a prof locally who bought a 25' aluminum work boat for kelp ecology studies on a Canada Foundation for Innovation grant, so you can do it at all scales. Anyway, Phuma has all the hallmarks of a guy not being able to articulate the proposal very well, so not getting adequate up front funding so ending up doing it essentially on his own piecemeal, and therefore never finishing. I'd love to hear about the project from the university end, I'm sure it's a tale of difficult departmental meetings.
  9. is the S2H too short for a modern maxi ?

    It's too bad Tasmainia isn't a floating Island like in The Voyages of Dr Dolittle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Voyages_of_Doctor_Dolittle Then it could be moved around (pushed by whales in fact) like a giant race mark so S2H could always be a proper windward-leeward course. Regarding the Jules Verne and Francois Gabart's solo 42 day record, I think the inescapable conclusion is it's gotten too easy and at this point THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH.
  10. Another Interesting Home Built Steel Boat

    Light standards are generally tapered which would seem to make sail attachment difficult, though I suppose you could find straight ones. Also The ones I've seen are reasonably thick walled mild steel roughly welded since the taper has been formed in pieces and then welded and hot dipped, so heavier than need be for a sail boat. There's certainly nothing wrong in principal with a thinner walled 4130 straight tube.
  11. SuperFoiler Grand Prix 2018

    A brilliant woman of my acquaintance on posited to me that getting men involved in household chores and childcare didn't make women happier, it just made men unhappier. Without derailing the thread discussing that question, we could ponder a corollary; has foiling rendered regular boat classes non-elite and therefore uninteresting, but without being a sufficiently interesting replacement?
  12. SuperFoiler Grand Prix 2018

    I just watched the video from Saturday. Nothing like actually racing to concentrate the mind. It was impressive to see the back markers catching up with each race. Overall it was much better than one might have expected but it is sure hard to cover on TV when the boats are that fast so they get that spread out. It's cool to watch knowing he standard of the sailors. For once it's not hype to say that the crew of Euroflex is absolutely world class. I think if they get a few more boats and the teams learn how to sail them it will be quite worthwhile. But these conditions were really ideal, we'll see how entertaining they are in. 6 kts. I still fondly remember the M32 races Clean was commenting for in various Scandinavian capitals a couple of years ago. That was close racing on appropriately short courses with lots of action and interesting across a range of wind strengths. I have not watched much G32 racing but what I have seen hasn't been as fun. We shall see with this series but I will certainly watch.
  13. Mocking Ads on Craigslist

    This $2000 restoration project: https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rds/boa/d/36-ft-wooden-sailboat/6444511944.html seems to have become a $1 project: https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rds/boa/d/attention-wood-boat-lovers-36/6470229580.html Seems a shame if it goes but perhaps it's not historically very interesting. The hull looks in pretty good shape but maybe my standards have shifted having watched all of the Sampson Boat Company's Tally Ho restoration videos.
  14. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    This thread has, as my mother would say, rather gone to seed. So I say only that I come from professional engineering as well and Francis is exactly right. Bring on the next leg.
  15. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    In case you don't frequent the front page I can advise that Brian Hancock has lengthily weighed in. I also note that as of my reading at 14:15 PST, Vestas is spelled Vestus throughout the article. Make of that what you will but I feel it may presage some of the reaction, if any, in these comment pages.