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  1. Then of course, there are the Chesapeake Bay Log Canoes (but certainly not One Design)
  2. We did a similar search and found the International 210 Class to be a perfect fit. Interesting, classic keelboat but with excellent performance. Shallow draft (3', 10") for a keelboat and quite light for a 30' boat (2700#). Used boats were available and we have slowly upgraded over 10 years to newer ones. Molds are still available and the Class is investigating a new builder. New, around $30,000 USD for the boat and a bit more for trailer and sails. Not many 30 keelboats available for that price. Excellent used boats available for $10-15K. Good for 2 or 3 crew and don't use the genoa - it ruins the boat. Stick with the blade. The other good choice is the Sonar. Another excellent boat for your purposes is the RS Elite.
  3. How can you tell if coming or going? Don't matter
  4. I was going to say NM--Northern Michigan Sloops. Also, 17s are found on Walloon Lake, just south of Little Traverse Bay. I think the yellow boat in the pic is a 17 because it has a trapeze. I don't believe the NMs have a trapeze, at least they didn't when I sailed on them but the class rules may have changed. In fact, I think this is actually a pic of 17s. Note the sail emblem for sail #30 in the background. Cool. Carl This is a beautiful little boat!
  5. we grabbed hold of the 210 and found it a near perfect fit for our OD keelboat program. One advantage of invigorating an older class is that there are often undervalued boats available if you're willing to do some work.
  6. Swede 55

    little sister, my BB10
  7. Cutter Eagle

    I saw the Constellation out at Curtis Bay the other day. Was she out on the lift dock? I'd love to see her out of the water
  8. Perry Sliver Class Day Sailor

    Kim, The best preliminary training you could give the students before turning them loose on CAD systems and the like would be a series of sketching classes. Have them train their brain/eye/hand coordination by starting with sketching lines, parallel lines, fair curves, perpendicular lines, squares, boxes, shading, circles and the like. Sort of a warm up. Then have them sketch a Styrofoam cup, baseball cap, their hand and finally a boat model. Move on to a lines drawing done by hand with profiles, plan views, a few stations to define the hull shape and then a 3-D sketch. Sketch boat profiles quickly locating centers of mass and trying different configurations of stem, stern, deckhouse, chines, etc. Only then should they draw on a computer. The CAD design package curves, line weights and even fairness give a false sense of "finish". I've found that a few hours of sketching (here at USNA) prepares the students well to make far more sophisticated designs. The computer is a great eraser, while sketching is a far more inspirational concept development tool. Sorry to disappoint you traditionalists out there but the lofting was done in a computer by Jim Franken and now Brandon Davis will be hitting the button on the CNC machine Monday to cut out the temporary molds. Bruce's students will be visiting Brandon next week to see the process. (They learned lofting on another vessel they started building late last year.) The Perry Sliver is being built "modern" for a wood boat as part of the broad spectrum of instruction offered at the School. Jim Franken and Russell Brown will be helping Bruce with layout and planning for the various different methods being used in her construction. We are very fortunate to have this high level of expertise available to show the students how contemporary wood construction is performed. (We also have a few graduates employed to keep the project moving forward during times the students need to be doing something else in their learning.) Test panels are being made of the hull laminate and we plan on testing them soon. The deck/cabin/cockpit assembly will be a one piece vacuum bagged foam core composite built on a female mold. The bulkheads will also be foam core composite. Brandon will be making all sorts of pieces on his magic machines for Bruce's students to assemble. The School offers everything from traditional plank on frame construction to cold molded vacuum bagged modern methods. We are proud that more than 90% of our students get placed in the marine trades after graduation and we are an accredited institution of higher learning. So we need to offer as many different experiences as possible to the students to prepare them for their careers. (I serve on the School's development board.) Kim
  9. Perry Sliver Class Day Sailor

    I think it would have looked really cool too, but in all practicality because of the stiffness of modern sailcloths I think a bendy rig would be harder to tune upwind and downwind. The luff tension varies greatly with backstay ease and tuning the rig to match the luff round is a little more difficult.. With the carbon mast and boom, if anything you need to ease a little vang downwind. I think it would have looked really cool too, but in all practicality because of the stiffness of modern sailcloths I think a bendy rig would be harder to tune upwind and downwind. The luff tension varies greatly with backstay ease and tuning the rig to match the luff round is a little more difficult.. With the carbon mast and boom, if anything you need to ease a little vang downwind. With the mast BUILT in a curve (as they were), luff tension would be normal upwind and down. They generally weren't bent to the curve, which was just in the top but made that way. Making the luff curve would drive a sailmaker nuts and the sail would get much fuller when more perpendicular to the fore and aft curve (another reason why they did it?).That pre curve would make the mast bendier, being already out of column? Anyway it was a short lived thing and looked cool. On some 12 meters,some luff curve was unmeasured (the top girth was unrestricted I think?) so "free" area could have been gained by the pre bent topmast (plus some aerodynamic efficiencies), hence Lionheart's hooked fiberglass topmast. The rule was changed to eliminate that I think.
  10. Perry Sliver Class Day Sailor

    One other thing. The curved mast. Sorry that didn't happen. Besides the Fat Head aerodynamics it gives (without the excessive roach requiring runners and no perm backstay), my theory is that When the boom was eased, the hook tightened the leech, providing some "vang" action (before boats had vangs)
  11. Perry Sliver Class Day Sailor

    A 210 or your boat when finished may exhibit the same behavior when trying to plane. The bow is up and seems to be planing but the stern sinks. Still pretty fast and though boats plane on their midsections, without buoyancy aft they don't break away. The other interesting thing about sailing the 210 (or a boat shaped like yours) is the lack of noise from no stern wave. The boat seems "slow" because you don't have the wave sound for speed reference. But it's a rocket upwind. I look forward to seeing pictures of Sliver sailing!
  12. Perry Sliver Class Day Sailor

    huntress.bmpRay Hunt made a series of "10" designs. We have a fleet of 210s at Gibson Island (Md) and love the boats. Ray even designed a 210 style 12 meter (before Easterner) with a swept bulb keel and a huge chain girth penalty that limited her sail area. Still, it might have been a fast boat! Here is a Hunt (modern) design very similar to Sliver (Silver?)http://classicsailboats.org/?p=1585 Then there was Huntress - a 410. Maybe a little less successful design.
  13. Perry Sliver Class Day Sailor

    KIm, What happened to your BB 10? The Sliver is very much like the Ray Hunt series like the 510. Same concept but softer chines and a better keel. She should be a blast. Congratulations for building her. Tom
  14. Swede 55

    Boat of a similar type - the BB 10 meter. Here is mine with an asym up last weekend. Great singlehanded or with minimal crew.
  15. Swede 55

    A bit over a year ago there was a 30 sq meter boat for sale on ebay. It was on a lake in Tennesee of all places and appeared to be a heck of a boat. Anyone else see that? Where did she end up? Also, I had an I 14 sailing friend in Annapolis named Matt Blake who moved to CA and got a Swede55. Anyone know Matt?