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tprice

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    Star, 210, Laser 28 (gone), Hobie 33, Int Fourteen (many years but no more)

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  1. Ugly is as ugly does but I question the mast position in the illustration. When mast placement is located for interior design reasons over sailing balance, the end is near.
  2. Then of course, there are the Chesapeake Bay Log Canoes (but certainly not One Design)
  3. I can dig up my Laser 28 MORC cert if you like.
  4. We did a similar search and found the International 210 Class to be a perfect fit. Interesting, classic keelboat but with excellent performance. Shallow draft (3', 10") for a keelboat and quite light for a 30' boat (2700#). Used boats were available and we have slowly upgraded over 10 years to newer ones. Molds are still available and the Class is investigating a new builder. New, around $30,000 USD for the boat and a bit more for trailer and sails. Not many 30 keelboats available for that price. Excellent used boats available for $10-15K. Good for 2 or 3 crew and don't use the genoa - it ruins the boat. Stick with the blade. The other good choice is the Sonar. Another excellent boat for your purposes is the RS Elite.
  5. How can you tell if coming or going? Don't matter
  6. I was going to say NM--Northern Michigan Sloops. Also, 17s are found on Walloon Lake, just south of Little Traverse Bay. I think the yellow boat in the pic is a 17 because it has a trapeze. I don't believe the NMs have a trapeze, at least they didn't when I sailed on them but the class rules may have changed. In fact, I think this is actually a pic of 17s. Note the sail emblem for sail #30 in the background. Cool. Carl This is a beautiful little boat!
  7. we grabbed hold of the 210 and found it a near perfect fit for our OD keelboat program. One advantage of invigorating an older class is that there are often undervalued boats available if you're willing to do some work.
  8. Star questions

    I'd say that the Foli boats are built the best and have the greatest longevity. Mine is 7313 and though with a few scars, seems adequately fast that the only reason to replace it would be for cosmetics. Stars are generally all well built and a bargain. You couldn't buy a Flying Scot for twice the price. They are actually quite easy to sail once set up well (follow the tuning guides EXACTLY) and very satisfying. Even in the driveway...
  9. New Etchells rudder

    Wondered the same thing about a 210 (same rudder skeg type). Would a Soling type rudder detroy the feel of the boat? Make it faster? Slower? It surely would lose the nice tracking of the skeg but Solings seem to do fine. Tacking would be much improved, for sure.
  10. SA vs. Annapolis on the FP yet again

    It's been called ACME since the early 90s.... I also can't recall what it was called prior. 30+ yrs of Tequila induced brain-fog..... I'll find some old codger that knows. The ambiance may have been a slight step-up from Pattons. Teddy's (who's a codger???)
  11. Double-Handed racing on Chesapeake BAy

    Still not seeing it. The number of classes needs some limit - especially if another shorthanded one is added. A separate class just so a somewhat odd arrangement of flying a second jib can be done seems like the one that should either subsume NS or go away. As I said, nothing is inherently more competitive about adding that jib - it's just that the more competitive folks have chosen that class. So NS could be either that or all single jib. If you're saying that the NS single jibbers are the less competitive group, then maybe they might just be happy in "Cruising" class (whatever that really is - and these folks would help shape it) The tie in is that, as much as a shorthanded is needed, It may be an unhelpful dilution of the sailors already racing if another class is added. Not my call of course....just sayin.
  12. Double-Handed racing on Chesapeake BAy

    My concern isn't that there is an effort to swipe racers. My concern is that PHRF has made it clear that Non-Spin is no longer about being as competitive as possible. PHRF is instead trying to orient Non-Spin to cruisers and short-handed crews If a cruiser class develops, we will then have two classes geared towards that demographic, with nothing available to address those who were previously enjoying the competitive version of Non-Spin. I have no problem with a cruiser fleet, but I think the double headsail, competitive Non-Spin fleet should remain as it was. Giving up existing racers in an effort to draw in non-racers seems a it foolish. I've always thought "competitive" 2 headsail PHRF racing was a foolish thing. I see no reason to say that by just having the complication of a second headsail downwind somehow makes the NS racing "competitive". It just waters down the NS fleet. The competitive part comes from having a full crew trying to extract the best performance from the boat, racing against other boats with full crews trying to extract the best performance from the boat. I fail to see how allowing teams to do that, waters down the Non-Spin fleet. If you want to have a Cruising fleet to draw cruisers, non-racers and ex-racers, go for it. I think it is a great idea, and may help bring some more bodies into racing. But, artificially limiting the Non-Spin fleet to cater to the same group leaves the previous Non-Spin sailors on the side of the road, while dividing the new demographic. It is counterproductive. Why does hanging a spare jib dead downwind, suddenly make a boat more capable of extracting best performance? Good NS racers can find more tactical racing in selecting gybing angles vs DDW. Those who want less tactical racing can sail Cruising. The business of complicating what is supposed to be a simple and less complex fleet doesn't make sense. Fly a spinnaker if you want a full crew extracting the best performance, I'd think.
  13. Double-Handed racing on Chesapeake BAy

    My concern isn't that there is an effort to swipe racers. My concern is that PHRF has made it clear that Non-Spin is no longer about being as competitive as possible. PHRF is instead trying to orient Non-Spin to cruisers and short-handed crews If a cruiser class develops, we will then have two classes geared towards that demographic, with nothing available to address those who were previously enjoying the competitive version of Non-Spin. I have no problem with a cruiser fleet, but I think the double headsail, competitive Non-Spin fleet should remain as it was. Giving up existing racers in an effort to draw in non-racers seems a it foolish. I've always thought "competitive" 2 headsail PHRF racing was a foolish thing. I see no reason to say that by just having the complication of a second headsail downwind somehow makes the NS racing "competitive". It just waters down the NS fleet.
  14. Double-Handed racing on Chesapeake BAy

    I can guarantee there can be a DH start for that race and the PSA OVernight.. I'm in for a few DH races for sure. There are several folks already organizing shorthanded racing that I've spoken to and there is also a Singlehanded contingent. I don't think PHRF condones SH so they may have to come up with their own ratings? But maybe they could start with DH and score separately? I suggest spinnakers and autopilots but with a quick signal before starting to limit use if conditions are questionable. Require PFD worn at all times! And maybe even a harness provision? (and certainly a ladder/ rope that can be deployed from the water to help recovery)
  15. Swede 55

    little sister, my BB10