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maxfunner

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  1. love it or hate it?

    Apparently the owner would like to get run over.
  2. Team Vestas grounded

    To get back on topic; On a belgian website a number of quotes from Wouter Verbraak were published that I hadn't seen before, or only parts of them. So I google-translated the quotes and turned them in to normal english. Courtesy to Clubracer.be for the article (link); "We had dealt with the tropical depression that day which kept us pretty busy. Then we chose the western route. Together with Chris Nicholson [skipper] I sat in the navigation area to go through this. We would encounter several shallows, which looked similar to submarine ridges we had already passed. " "I was sleeping at the time of impact and was awakened by the sound of breaking carbon. The only time I've heard anything like that was when the mast went overboard in another round-the-world race. So at first I thought so we had broken the mast. The second thought was that we had hit a whale. I jumped up and then followed the communication from the deck: "There is a rock." In my navigation corner I saw that we had landed on a reef. " "Both rudders and one daggerboard were broken. Our situation was very serious. As a navigator you off course feel responsible." Then the situation was so serious with breaking waves over the deck without means of control, that the crew decided to call Race Control. "They have the best network and means to provide assistance. We had the bad luck that it just got dark. After our Mayday call we were told that they could not come before the next morning. That message we only understood afterwards, because the Coast Guard has nothing there. They have no searchlights or spotlights. Therefore we had to stay on the boat all night. " "It was clear that the leg was over. It's indescribable what happened during that night. 3 to 4 meter high waves which lifted the 9 ton boat up like a toy and smashed it on to the reef. The situation became more and more dire. I remember I sat in the nav station and tried to keep communication with Race Control afloat until we lost all power. Then we only had VHF and the satellite phone. Then the central part of the hull was punctured and the water flooded the boat knee high. Everything started floating, including the boxes of safety equipment. It was getting unsafe to be in the boat. " Only on the second night after the incident was there time for Verbraak for reflection: "After I called my wife, I wanted time for myself. That's when things started to sink in. On the way back I ran in to Chris and I had a good conversation with him. I told him that I felt so responsible for what had happened and that I wanted to tell the rest of the crew. I did so the same evening, when we were together and had our first moment of rest. It was beautiful and what I will never forget is that Tony Rae then said, "Wouter, this is not something that you should bear alone. We did this as a team and we will go through this as a team. " When asked what lessons he has drawn from the events Verbraak replied: "There is an independent investigation started by the Volvo Ocean Race orginasation, with a panel of very reputable people. We are iving them full cooperation. There are a lot of lessons to be learned, but I don't want to get ahead of their investigation. " About his position on the team he is still in the unknown. "For no one," he adds. "Before we left Abu Dhabi to go home, Chris told us:" Our sponsors Vestas and Powerhouse, and the Volvo Ocean Race will do everything to bring us back in the race, but I will only say yes to that if I know that each of you is 100 percent committed. We all agreed. Whether I come back in the team, that's not my call. Chris is the skipper and decides. I hope I have made a first step in the right direction with admitting my mistake. "
  3. Artemis?

    Let's not forget personal responsibility. I still believe the most fundamental responsibility for safety lies with the teams. Some of the recommendations seem a bit too obvious indeed and could have been thought of beforehand. But isn't hindsight a wonderful thing? Maybe people weren't thinking out of the sailing box enough. They were all doing the same stuff as far as safety was concerned as far as I can tell, no doubt they have contact amongst each other about it. We're just not used to the forces of deceleration involved with crashing this sort of boat in the world of sailing. So there is no expert. The only thing I haven't seen yet is something about getting advice from other 'extreme' sports area's that have more experience with high impact injuries (motorised sports predominantly I would say). But I wouldn't be surprised if they have done so. All we can do is learn as much as we can from this tragedy and better ourselves to prevent what we reasonably can. Safe is not possible, a manageable risk is the highest achievable in my opinion.
  4. Artemis?

    Link to Artemis newspost on the deceased, Andrew Simpson like mentioned above. http://artemis-racing.americascup.com/news/4511
  5. BMW

    I told you we shouldn't take that screw out..
  6. BMW

    Jimmy!? Are you sure you want me to spike the spinnaker halyard?