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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.

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  1. Apparently the owner would like to get run over.
  2. To get back on topic; On a belgian website a number of quotes from Wouter Verbraak were published that I hadn't seen before, or only parts of them. So I google-translated the quotes and turned them in to normal english. Courtesy to Clubracer.be for the article (link); "We had dealt with the tropical depression that day which kept us pretty busy. Then we chose the western route. Together with Chris Nicholson [skipper] I sat in the navigation area to go through this. We would encounter several shallows, which looked similar to submarine ridges we had already passed. " "I was sleeping at the time of impact and was awakened by the sound of breaking carbon. The only time I've heard anything like that was when the mast went overboard in another round-the-world race. So at first I thought so we had broken the mast. The second thought was that we had hit a whale. I jumped up and then followed the communication from the deck: "There is a rock." In my navigation corner I saw that we had landed on a reef. " "Both rudders and one daggerboard were broken. Our situation was very serious. As a navigator you off course feel responsible." Then the situation was so serious with breaking waves over the deck without means of control, that the crew decided to call Race Control. "They have the best network and means to provide assistance. We had the bad luck that it just got dark. After our Mayday call we were told that they could not come before the next morning. That message we only understood afterwards, because the Coast Guard has nothing there. They have no searchlights or spotlights. Therefore we had to stay on the boat all night. " "It was clear that the leg was over. It's indescribable what happened during that night. 3 to 4 meter high waves which lifted the 9 ton boat up like a toy and smashed it on to the reef. The situation became more and more dire. I remember I sat in the nav station and tried to keep communication with Race Control afloat until we lost all power. Then we only had VHF and the satellite phone. Then the central part of the hull was punctured and the water flooded the boat knee high. Everything started floating, including the boxes of safety equipment. It was getting unsafe to be in the boat. " Only on the second night after the incident was there time for Verbraak for reflection: "After I called my wife, I wanted time for myself. That's when things started to sink in. On the way back I ran in to Chris and I had a good conversation with him. I told him that I felt so responsible for what had happened and that I wanted to tell the rest of the crew. I did so the same evening, when we were together and had our first moment of rest. It was beautiful and what I will never forget is that Tony Rae then said, "Wouter, this is not something that you should bear alone. We did this as a team and we will go through this as a team. " When asked what lessons he has drawn from the events Verbraak replied: "There is an independent investigation started by the Volvo Ocean Race orginasation, with a panel of very reputable people. We are iving them full cooperation. There are a lot of lessons to be learned, but I don't want to get ahead of their investigation. " About his position on the team he is still in the unknown. "For no one," he adds. "Before we left Abu Dhabi to go home, Chris told us:" Our sponsors Vestas and Powerhouse, and the Volvo Ocean Race will do everything to bring us back in the race, but I will only say yes to that if I know that each of you is 100 percent committed. We all agreed. Whether I come back in the team, that's not my call. Chris is the skipper and decides. I hope I have made a first step in the right direction with admitting my mistake. "
  3. He said tooling and personnel. I don't think he meant the shipping of personnel is hard. A boat comes out of a mould. Therefore you can safely assume the mould is bigger than the boat. So better to ship the boat to the tools as it's a lot less volume to transport. And the boat has to be transported anyway. Logistical handling is the same (same amount of loading/unloading involved), the plane just has to fly further with it.
  4. Let's not forget personal responsibility. I still believe the most fundamental responsibility for safety lies with the teams. Some of the recommendations seem a bit too obvious indeed and could have been thought of beforehand. But isn't hindsight a wonderful thing? Maybe people weren't thinking out of the sailing box enough. They were all doing the same stuff as far as safety was concerned as far as I can tell, no doubt they have contact amongst each other about it. We're just not used to the forces of deceleration involved with crashing this sort of boat in the world of sailing. So there is no expert. The only thing I haven't seen yet is something about getting advice from other 'extreme' sports area's that have more experience with high impact injuries (motorised sports predominantly I would say). But I wouldn't be surprised if they have done so. All we can do is learn as much as we can from this tragedy and better ourselves to prevent what we reasonably can. Safe is not possible, a manageable risk is the highest achievable in my opinion.
  5. Link to Artemis newspost on the deceased, Andrew Simpson like mentioned above. http://artemis-racing.americascup.com/news/4511
  6. BMW

    I told you we shouldn't take that screw out..
  7. BMW

    Jimmy!? Are you sure you want me to spike the spinnaker halyard?