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    Seek advice on forced buyout of 1/3 share in sailboat

    The above is a more concise summary of the facts and "friends" ridiculous that Partners A and B wait around for "friend" to find new partners. The simple answer is for "friend" to just make an offer to buy boat and then find new partners. Done.
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    Seek advice on forced buyout of 1/3 share in sailboat

    Hiring an attorney to draft a partnership agreement for a $24,000 boat (or to protect your 1/3 share of $8,000) is like buying an extended warranty for a $20 Best Buy toaster - just not cost effective. Other then setting up a procedure to sell the boat, it is unlikely that any partnership agreement will cover the problems that do come up. Then there is the problem of legal fees to enforce the partnership agreement. You cannot cost effectively hire an attorney to litigate an $8,000, $6,400, or $4,800 claim or litigate the purchase of sails. And, if the parties are stupid enough to have an attorneys fees clause, some idiot will run up (or threaten to run up) a legal bill that exceeds your investment by a very, very large margin. The only good thing a partnership agreement does is set down in writing the expectations of the parties as to how and who uses the boat, sharing costs, what costs will be shared, and, hopefully, a budget for sail replacement - which does not require an attorney. The best advice will come from (a) a person who has a long term successful partnership and (b) a person who can point out why their partnership failed. It sounds like the parties are on the right track by selling the boat. Selling factional interests to unknown third parties is a recipe for disaster since you already have problems agreeing what to do with "friends". Just like the toaster, you hope for the best with a partnership but part of the cost of a partnership is knowing that things can and will go wrong.
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    Looking for a new watch...

    I got a Samsung Galaxy Watch and I am pretty happy with it. I was originally thinking of getting a smart watch and replacing my lost timex with either another Ironman - which worked great - or an Optimum Time sailing watch. The Galaxy Watch seemed to tick most boxes and I didn't need a dedicated sailing watch: (1) Looks like a watch and not a box on my wrist for everyday use, (2) the screen and technology is awesome, (3) has a fitness tracker, (4) was not expensive like an Apple Watch or Garmin watch, (5) downloadable sailing timer app with gps speed (once I was able to figure out how to download from Galaxy Store using an android phone), (6) and it is waterproof. The Galaxy Watch is a sharp bit of technology but as I previously learned the hard way, great hardware without software is s#%t. For me the apps are adequate but much more variety in other smart watch ecosystems.
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    Marina Karen

    I think the real issue is how could her shoes possibly go with that dress.
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    Tips For Being Rescued

    I wonder what the guy who sold Fish Food the boat is thinking now. "Ah, my old boat is in the News AGAIN."
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    Carbon fibre mast maintenance

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    Sailing downwind

    TetraMin- What is your story about the rescue and need to call the CG? When did you depart? Where were you going? Starting your trip to TJ? Was FishFood giving you lessons? Who was the woman on the trip and why was she brought along? And out of curiosity, why did you think a free boat was seaworthy and safe to sail to TJ? What was your expectation of how much skill it takes to sail from Half Moon Bay to TJ? Would really like to know your perspective on the above.
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    Dive Boat Conception deaths - more details

    I have been on the Conception and other Truth Aquatic boats - and had done so for years. It was a very well run operation. There was no fire door between the lower deck and main deck/galley - just a staircase.
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    Hullside paint costs & necessity?

    My limited observation is that good paint manufactures make great paints that lay down great and, if there is a problem, it is failing to properly thin the paint for the local conditions. Here is an interesting video for rolling and tipping Alexseal. Also, I found a online site that was selling Alexseal for half to two-thirds of normal retail - explosivepowersports.com
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    Hullside paint costs & necessity?

    A slight variation for painting masts - the bottom 10' should look good from close up, the rest of the mast just needs good protection.
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    Flying Tiger hanging by the rudder

    One of the issues with the original FT10 rudder was that it would ventilate (some say cavitate) while going down wind in a breeze - causing the rudder to stall. The newer rudders projected forward of the transom, under the boat, which was suppose to prevent/delay air being sucked down the low pressure side of the rudder and balance the rudder. (https://www.jbeinc.com/resources/downloads/FT10M_Rudder_Specs.pdf). My experience was that the new rudder was better and we did not experience as much rudder stall. It was also nice to not have to lift the old heavy rudder to put in the cassette and/or wedge the old rudder in the cassette so it wouldn't wobble in the cassette.
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    inexperienced couple buy a p.o.s. catamaran

    Thanks. Whether true or not, at least I feel better now.
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    inexperienced couple buy a p.o.s. catamaran

    The part I found most disheartening was that they anticipated the coronavirus store shortages and got provisioned early - while I did nothing. They are smarter than I gave them credit for, but there has to be a better way to go down the ICW than in a cat-a-barge, hand steering an outboard.
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    Saving An Old Tiller

    Those are just the red ones. There are more in the background in one of the pictures.
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    Costs for commissioning a new sailboat?

    $14,500 seemed like a pretty good deal to me based on what I have experienced for commissioning. However, your list of items is vague and you should make sure there are no other costs. Based on California prices: Bottom job, which will require epoxy barrier coat - $4,000 to $5,000 Pulpit, Pushpit, stanchions, and wiring for lights/sensors it time consuming and takes at least 2 guy. Installing electronics not done a factory Costs mentioned by JoeO Yard fees, including lift off trailer when arriving, stepping mast, and launch. Also, yard fees can vary widely since many yards I have experience with used fixed fee pricing per task and some yards with a good reputation charge a premium. It is pretty easy to hit the $14,500 in costs. Also a rigger will likely make suggestions for line and fitting changes, etc . . .