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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. Lucky Seven is the name of a friends family charitable foundation. They do good deeds.
  2. Vince, Better get your kayak out for a paddle around the Lk Union house boats for a closer look.
  3. Would sculling on a boat that size help any? It may not have been enough, early enough to help out here though. I also guess the jib sheets were wrapped up on each other. Its happened to me once or twice. Anyone have tricks for unwrapping them? Maybe sheet the leward one as hard as possible then unwinding the lazy sheet manually or possibly just by pulling on it. One news account said they were coming in from a race so I suppose the main is lowered for the entry. What a shame. So glad they are ok. Imagine their thoughts when ever, if ever, they enter that harbor again. That is one scary video
  4. This can't be serious: Floating meditation hut. Looks like a covered BBQ grill, but second glance I think its a backpacking tent on a rudderless, mastless, double wide Hobie 14. https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/boa/6051064378.html Sorry its now obvious to this luddite how to post a pic.
  5. Rasp, You are welcome. The owner is the type of guy who might consider R2AK, or his son. A bear to row though. I watched Steve's crew row Nice Pair. GF is bigger and heavier. I'd been eyeing GF in Hawaii but never pulled the trigger and a year later it shows up across the lake from me. I knew the owner from before but didn't know he was thinking of going multihull. He's come to our local Multi club meetings a couple times; NWMA. I tried to PM you for contact info but it says you can not receive new messages.
  6. MOB, I saw a TRT with a sitting height bridge deck cabin based in Seattle a few years back. CSR Marine did some work on it. They probably know more about it. Rasp / Green Flash, G Flash has a new owner, I sailed on it last year. I doubt the owner will part with it. It is moored near my house in Seattle. I day sail year round and often cruise by it to drool. Pretty cool boat.
  7. Derek, I just saw one of your ~60' rotating bi mast boats yesterday, Zig Zag, in Russell NZ, Beautiful boat. It didn't look like it had centerboard nacelle but I was wondering. Does it?
  8. Bobcat 65, If you are near Seattle come to our NWMA meetings first Tues of the month. Sigi of the F33 Hi5 often comes from Vancouver, others from Mt Vernon, and we have a young couple building an F9A south of Olympia who show up regularly too, so there are carpool opportunities. No charge for guests, I was welcomed for 2 years before I found my multihull and finally joined up. We often have some very interesting presenters. Tom Speer show ups when he's not too busy with AC stuff to give us the inside skinny. Its a great group. See the link above for meeting announcements. We'd love to hear about your rebuild.
  9. Cogniz, Some folks have applied antifoul on the sides of the Farrier amas so that they won't accumulate sea growth when folded in a slip long term. I have seen this on an F31 aft cabin I was thinking of buying here in Washington state. In a bit of serendipity I saw it one year later anchored in Marsh Harbor while I was vacationing there. Someone living on the east coast had bought it and trailered all the way back there and then sailed it to the Bahamas. I've seen comments on the forums of other fboat owners who have antifouled the ama sides as well. Some thought it detracted from the appearance when unfolded but maybe you can get creative with color or graphics, (vinyl, paint or otherwise) to make it look good. The sides of my amas have full length vinyl graphics that make it distinctive and good looking. Its pictured on the home page of our local NW Multihull Assn. So don't rule out the Farriers for leaving folded in a slip long term. Edited to add that get an antifoul paint that is white/matches the color of the hull then it would barely be noticeable. Eric
  10. I thought I would post a notice for those in and around Seattle for our multihull club meeting Dec 6. Should be an interesting program on navigation. The announcement follows and here is our website. Non-Members are always welcome, come join us. T-SHIRTS will be available at the meeting in most sizes. Cash or check are accepted. (see Mark) Potluck Starts at 6:30PM or you can just come for the program that will start around 7:15 Puget Sound Y.C. 2321 N. Northlake Way, Seattle We are proudly continuing to celebrate our 50th year! And honor those pioneers who started as a bulk buying and info and labor sharing club for building many early multihulls. What a long way we've come. This month is a presentation and open forum by David Burch on the topic of using GRIB weather data files, and where to get free HRRR GRIB data including brand new news, not announced yet…. Recommended reading for those who want some background: http://www.starpath.com/catalog/books/1886.htm ______________________________________________ David Burch is the author of the courses and director of Starpath school. He has more than 70,000 miles of ocean experience ranging from the Arctic ice edge to Tahiti and Australia in the Pacific and from New York to Panama in the Atlantic. He has sailed across the Pacific to Hawaii ten times, three times winning the Victoria to Maui yacht race, and in 1984 setting the elapsed time record for that passage for vessels under 38 feet long (the record lasted sixteen years, but was beat in the 2000 race). In powerboats, he delivered a 65-foot fishing vessel from New York to Seattle, via Panama and has made numerous coastal deliveries between WA and CA, AK, and Mexico. He navigated the only American entry (72-foot Cassiopeia) in the storm-ridden '93 Sydney to Hobart yacht race and has since navigated that vessel on the '96 Vic Maui and Swiftsure Lightship Classic when she won first overall in the latter. He holds a USCG masters license, 100 GT. He is the author of ten books on marine navigation and his magazine articles have appeared in Cruising World, Ocean Navigator, Sailing, and Sea Kayaker. His column "Burch at the Helm" appeared in BlueWater Sailing magazine from 2009 to 2015. His books include Radar for Mariners; Emergency Navigation; Modern Marine Weather; Fundamentals of Kayak Navigation; The Barometer Handbook; How to Use Plastic Sextants. His textbooks and workbooks on Inland and Coastal Navigation and on Celestial Navigation are used by numerous schools, nationwide. A full list of books is at Amazon Author Central. His work has been recognized with the Institute of Navigation's Superior Achievement Award for outstanding performance as a practicing navigator, and by a USCG citation for his successful weather and vessel performance analysis used in a search and rescue operation. In February, 2011 he was awarded Fellow grade in the Institute of Navigation. In May of 2011 he named a Fellow of the Royal Institute of Navigation in London. On the academic side, he is a past Fulbright Scholar with a Ph.D. in physics. Looking ahead, his goal is to sail the Northern Sea Route over the top of Russia. The trip has been planned in much detail for many years, but still hangs in limbo, waiting the proper conjunction of events...which are sneaking up on us. From 2005 to 2013 he served as the editor of the quarterly newsletter of the Foundation for the Promotion of the Art of Navigation. In 2006 he had the pleasure to devote his summer to his friends and students of the OAR NW rowing team as they won the Great North Atlantic Rowing Race and earned a place in the Guinness Book of World Records for being the first row ever across the North Atlantic (New York City to Falmouth) that actually arrived at their intended destination. They demonstrated remarkable seamanship in the face of a hurricane passing directly over them, among other challenges that would have stopped any lesser prepared team. From our perspective, safely here in Seattle, it was an exercise in the latest weather routing technology applied to the most fundamental of craft. He has developed several free services for mariners including starpath.com/shipreports and starpath.com/barometers, and coordianted navigation and weather training of deck officers on Navy warships and USCG Icebreakers. _____________________________________________ Membership joining and renewal IS NOW and is done through the website via PayPal: http://www.nwmultihull.org/about-us/benefits-of-membership/membership-registration Besides using PayPal, please also fill out the online registration form - that's the easiest way to ensure the Promo Code for the Fisheries Supply discount is sent in a timely fashion. (Club business is usually done once per month around the week after the meeting, so best to plan ahead).
  11. Keith, in post 46 you said "if you invest the time in researching whats really for sale, you may find an amazing deal on an awesome and exceptionally well built multihull." That statement "whats really for sale" intrigued me. Are you saying get with a broker who will spend the time looking for motivated seller of the right boat, or more like; walk and talk the docks in the Carib, Med or other multi hot spot with eyes & ears open, or is it find folks in the multi world who may be "in the know". The former might be hard unless you convince the broker you WILL buy a boat, the latter two seem to be crap shoots. Is there something else you had in mind. Yes the Neel video was scary. I don't see how a manufacturer could blow that off to a customer, (let alone not jump on making it right), if he had any sense of future for his company.
  12. Speaking of neighbors, I've always been impressed by mine. Maybe you’d be interested in his 47 footer. While it is closer to work boat functional, high freeboard, than yottie, I like its looks and it is well finished (fair and glossy). I might change the hard dodger though. He’s smart and handy, a retired U of Wash. professor. He designed this himself, (steel), did the drawings and had the parts cut and delivered to CSR boat yard a few years back. Then welded it all up himself (just tacking the below water line welds for a certified welder to finish). He had it floating in just a few months, finished it out in less than a year. Then circumnavigated, (via Cape of Good Hope as he is originally from So. Africa). (If that ain’t enough, in the 1960’s early 70s he built a 50 something ferrocement and circumnavigated in that.) Bob P, if you peddled your bike over the University Bridge back then you probably saw it moored right under its SW edge by the new Pocock rowing center. I like his mast too. He did some research and concluded that it creates less turbulance than a solid oval. I like it because it looks fun to climb. The verticals are 1.5” schedule 40 alu pipe. He cut the pieces then he and a friend welded it up in a loooooong day. He can lift it by himself! You can see two similar built whisker poles semi permantly mounted on the cabin in the (stowed) vertical position, (twin furled head sails, masthead rig). Crap, I cant seem to attach the picture, I'm a luddite. Lets see if I can post a link to it......
  13. There's an F28R in Puget Sound that has an extra 2 or 3 feet on its mast. Its fast but I don't think it goes faster than a well sailed F31R with which it has raced against in the past. I can't cite any results to back this up but its my general impression. I could contact the owners for further info if its a burning question.
  14. In Seattle the Laurelhurst Beach Club has a fleet of Geary 18's, (locally known as Flatties). They race on weeknights in the summer.
  15. nother mast at the dock on camera #6. Behind the shed and blurred by rain drop on lens but it must be Pure and Wild.