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  1. On-scene in San Francisco

    Yes, agree with that. I just met Comrade Stingray in Cow Hollow. He and I have had issues but, meeting F2F calls for cordiality and courtesy. He is the first I have seen fully decked-out in Oracle gear! [although he claims there are others if I look hard enough] It is VERY hard to know where to watch the races. It is a long way from the Marina Green to the AC Park (Pier 27) end. The AC Store at PIer 27 is absolute shit. No team stuff there. Just (I assume) ACEA stuff made to look like team gear. Poorly designed, printed on shit fabric and offered at outrageous prices. The best deal in there is the Program (at $15). It is a long walk from Pier 27 (the AC "park) to the TNZ/LR bases and even further to OR. It is obvious organisers just gave up on any "village" idea. This was one thing Ernesto did quite well. Having seen the "AC park" today (and noted the prices down there) tomorrow I might opt for the big screen at Marina Green. Stinger (who is clean-cut young guy) thinks he might take his binoculars and go up Telegraph Hill for the big-view. But he has a mobile device to get Virtual Eye etc. From my VLC experience (2007) I decided you have to be near a screen. Not for the commentary. But for the telemetry. Will look for a breakfast place and make a decision before Race 1. There is very little wind in SF at present and SR wonders if they will even get on their foils for Race 1. Few comments about SF. Today I walked miles and very much like the obvious height restraints in housing areas. Looks like the famous SF BOS said 4-storeys max. Makes for a kind of Parisian (or European) look. The Cow Hollow, Marina Districts and environs look pretty up-market. Not many street dwellers and many affluent looking citizens gulpng down tacos and starring at their cellphones. On the drive in from the airport the van driver continuously made phone calls. Have these people ever heard of distracted driving? If there is a lay-day (or racing is cancelled for no wind) I will be hitting any 2nd hand bookstores around here. And yes, if I see John Navas, I will give him special Maori greetings and a secret look at a taniwha. awesome post! have a great spectacle!!! think i'll just leave and watch the race again debrief at swashys upon return please! -d
  2. Artemis?

    just watched the races again, Congrats on your great races!! Amazing for your time on water, and classy to accept the lil hicup at the end..
  3. Artemis?

    I couldn't agree more. I know that I keep banging on about it, but there really is a thing about team safety culture. AR just don't have it. That was a relatively high risk maneuver for an experienced team, and probably suicidally high for an inexperienced team. What did they gain - 3s on the start line and 6s at the first mark? CD backed off, and gets hammered for it by the media. I even read on the TVNZ website some commentator suggesting that CDs job could be on the line if he didn't do a better job starting - what a complete joke. Listening to him interviewed post race he actually says that their game plan was to stay out of NO's way in the prestart because they knew they had plenty of speed on them. CD made a smart decision and was rewarded with a safe start, and a 2 minute win. GD mentioned a lot of carbon fibre around...risk assessment is a survival trait
  4. Artemis?

    i am confused, does that mean they have met the Safety Rec's for rudder area? and when did they measure in last few days?
  5. Artemis?

    Very true. Not condemning that at all. But I think a strict nationality rule would be more in the spirit of the DoG, and perhaps more interesting for people to follow. But this only my personal point of view. ... This Cup is donated upon the conditions that it shall be preserved as a perpetual Challenge Cup for friendly competition between foreign countries. ... seems that worked out for the chall's in the end, no hard feelings by anyone at this point...priceless
  6. Artemis?

    Both Challs seem happy to have Big Blue in the show.... your comment is thread drift pays the bills to have races next week, that's professional, and big blue races, that's personal, win win
  7. Artemis?

    self tacking jib track?
  8. Artemis?

    I don't know. One of the recent pieces interviewing IP made it apparent that getting AR on the racetrack is part of his grieving process for Simpson. That's touching and understandable. Whether it makes for good judgement is another question. As I've posted before, I'm conflicted about AR racing. Head says no, heart says yes. been there, his friendship with his mate deserves him the chance to take another spin, he will know if the boat and he are fine... 'specially with driving a machine like that, its not a solo sport.. good on him!
  9. Artemis?

    Why are you claiming just 36 & 37 are changes to the class rule, but the other 35 (including the minimum draft and elevator area requirements) are not class rule changes? All changes that stipulate minimum OR maximum length/area, or require/restrict specific shapes, represent changes to the rule. Just because some teams satisfy minimums and maximums before and after the changes does not make those changes non-class rule changes, while changes in shapes are class rule changes. If ETNZ and LR are supporting the minimum draft and elevator area requirements, they are supporting class rule changes (and my guess is other class rule changes are included in the 35). wind limit changes were a clear compromise to ETNZ, given so at the time, they didn't appear "reckless", or less *"SAFE*". All the Challs (able to sail that is), should have dug their heels in as soon as a RD starts "cherry picking" loose "recommendation" from the teams, and forcing what "he" thinks down their throats....
  10. Artemis?

    I do understand and take seriously the larger argument. But the reason for arguing that larger argument clearly has at its root the ETNZ belief that "it gives another team some advantage over the others." And without GD explaining that, well it's difficult to just automatically accept as Gospel. Both RC and PC, to their credit, have addressed it in explicit detail and aren't even the ones creating the argument. The one making the claim is the one who logically should be addressing it, even before everyone else. If he has a real problem then I wish he could explain it. http://www.kiwiyachting.co.nz/dean-barkers-blog/8-days-lvc
  11. Artemis?

    maybe a bit more volume been added to those bows in the background? seems like a sensible safety measure....
  12. News from SF Embarcadero...

    horse before cart, again, having IM get the sequence of events wrong last time, submitting the 72 before mediation, MS is going to get the ruling before racing, as some how the ruling got scheduled *one day * after the first race... procedure.. fairness...
  13. News from SF Embarcadero...

    RC ya gotta rebuild ....the...rudders..you...been ...using since march????? that the other teams, .....all of them....don't have??? WTF, Over?
  14. Artemis?

    There you are how's that law suit coming along? You know the one you claimed to have knowledge of but no proof ? Come on man up admit you were full of shit or show your source . http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10892365 hearsay of course