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  1. VOR '17-'18 - THE GAME

    BTW... If anyone has an urge just to see themselves at the top of the leg leaderboard, at the cost of their chances later in the leg, it should be do-able by tacking early. Like 12-16 hours into the leg instead of 21-28. In the last edition of VOR, I did that and had great fun cutting inside the island of Ilhabela (a bit WSW of Rio). I was in first place for most of a day after that, and then things went downhill from there. Back then, I had never led anything before, let alone won anything, so I was ecstatic to be at the top of a VOR leg leaderboard for a few hours. I think I still have a screenshot of it somewhere.
  2. VOR '17-'18 - THE GAME

    Big light wind area north of the start, all the way to Rio. First goal is to get East, not to point at Rio and get into that light stuff. A few hours into it, the wind will come forward and you'll be close-hauled, and then it's a decision of how fare East to go before tacking. Then it becomes a matter of deciding how many times to tack, and how far offshore from the shoulder of Brazil to go North. This leg can have several different strategies for what to do after clearing Brazil, and positioning yourself for whichever strategy you want probably starts ~4 days into the leg.
  3. VOR '17-'18 - THE GAME

    Noon in Central US time. Very convenient. Plenty of time to get set up to sleep well the first night, too. I figure all of the remaining starts for both VOR and Clipper will be convenient for North and South America, Europe, South Africa, etc. Not so good for Australia, New Zealand, Asia, etc.
  4. VOR Leg 8 Itajaí to Newport

    Have Vestas and Scally both declared themselves out of the upcoming In-Port race, or is it possible one or both might participate? The others are all scheduled to participate, right?
  5. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    I seriously doubt the "Brian Hancock" ID is actually Brian Hancock.
  6. VOR '17-'18 - THE GAME

    Not true. I take risks from time to time (and run aground occasionally), and the competition is strong enough that one bad mistake can give me a 20+ score, and with that 51 throwout, whatever I do would count. Also, the entirety of Leg 10 will occur while I'm racing in Flying Scot North Americans, so I was considering skipping that leg, which would make the 51 count. (I guess I'd probably at least do it on credits and try to post something in the 30s or 40s... and I might still do it with the full pack, but can't expect to perform well). Never give up!
  7. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    Since I was the one who started the "Hancock" thread, I'd like to offer a couple thoughts... - I think this latest installment from Hancock is quite reasonable. Seems fact-based, appropriately timed, and respectful of the differences between the modern VOR and the old-school Whitbread (ie, if you have a deadline to be in Itajai, then choosing to not take a month to get there under jury rig isn't a blight on the sailors). There's a bit of a crusty "in my day" tone to it, but that's ok. He DOES have the resume to back up that tone, and he pokes a little fun at himself to acknowledge that he realizes he's being that way. I'd be disappointed with any sailor who's stories of yore didn't come with a bit of that. - FWIW, the "Hancock" thread wasn't intended to trash the man. It was meant to raise very specific concerns about very specific comments that were both hurtful and factually incorrect, while also asking the honest question about his resume, and wanting to split that discussion out from discussion of the VOR leg, which is what this thread is for. Anyway, a bunch of the responding posts covered those points very well, and then (as seems inevitable here) the thread started going into interpersonal shitfits, so I lost interest in it. If I could close the thread, I would. I don't see any value in any further posts in that one, and would like to recommend that people let it die. If it pops up to the top with more interpersonal stuff, I'll "Hide" it. Looks like that's the only action the person who started the thread can take to kill a thread. Anyway... mostly, I wanted to express that I appreciate that Hancock appears to have reconsidered his approach. He has good points to make and a resume that exceeds most of ours.
  8. VOR '17-'18 - THE GAME

    FWIW... Awkward Turtle is kicking ass in the current Clipper leg. Might be top 10 once the south pack overtakes the north (which is inevitable). The only boat I know of ahead of him is the winner of the last Vendee (Mangina).
  9. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    Good to see TToP doing 11 kts with 68 to go. I've been worried that they'd be becalmed enough for Mapfre to run right up to them. I'm sure despite the gap that they won't rest easy until it's official.
  10. VOR '17-'18 - THE GAME

    In the main VOR offshore page, in the top-right corner of each event, there's a little "i" with a white circle around it. If you click on that, you get some info including closure date and time (in your local timezone). Leg 7 closes on 4/17 at Noon Central US Time. Leg 8 starts at Noon Central US Time on April 22.
  11. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    Has there been clarification about Azko's water ingress? I'm not clear on exactly what was wrong, how bad it was, when it started, how big or frequent the bailing task was, whether or not there was ever risk of it getting much worse in a hurry, etc.
  12. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    I like Dee and the TToP team, and I'd love to see them continue to improve and get a podium spot in a future leg. And I can understand her frustration with the spreader failure. But... They were in 6th at Cape Horn, 30 miles behind third place (Dong) and notably further behind Vestas and Brunel. They moved up two spots because of the mast issues on Mapfre and Vestas, which are unlikely to be any more the fault of the crew than TToP's spreader issues. I realize she said they were "set to be battling for a podium position"... she didn't say the podium position was lost through bad luck beyond their control, but rather the opportunity to battle for it was lost. So... Ok, fair comment... But on the other hand, their perseverance to resolve the matter satisfactorily while continuing progress toward the finish allowed them to pass Vestas and Mapfre who were unable to do so. Yes, they could have been battling with Akzo for a position if not for the spreader issue, but if you're going to play that game, you have to put Mapfre and Vestas back in it and acknowledge the position they'd be battling for was more likely to be 5th than 3rd. Not trying to disparage Dee. Mostly I'm just hoping she'll come to see it that way once they finish and get some rest and she has more information about what the other boats dealt with, etc, such that in the end, she'll be happy about the 4th and ready to push for better in the next leg. 4th is their best finish yet. Maybe I'm misunderstanding her point. After some more thought, I'm thinking maybe her point is that they're in it for the positional battles and she'd rather be in a battle to the finish for 5th vs 6th than locked into 4th. I can understand that. Competitive spirit. In the meantime... I just hope Mapfre doesn't sneak up to them in a driftathon finish. Seems uncomfortably possible.
  13. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    I'm envisioning TToP in a driftathon at the finish, Mapfre creeping toward them, and the well-rested Dongers on a chartered pontoon boat plowing through cases of beer and cheering for TToP to eke it out.
  14. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    I hope the forecast for ~3 days from now improves, or TToP might be in drifting conditions for a full day or more, trying to limp to the finish with Mapfre closing in.
  15. VOR '17-'18 - THE GAME

    I think one of the changes they made a couple years ago (I think maybe with the introduction of VRO2, which was a few months after the last VOR edition, if I remember correctly) was to change their hosting from their own servers to a third party service with scaleable capacity, redundancy, etc. Far better platform for a service like this where usage changes dramatically with circumstances. We bitch a lot about various changes and decisions that they make, and about bugs, often with good reason, but I try to remind myself that they also make a lot of changes for the better. That was definitely one. I don't recall a system crash since then.