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  1. DarkHorse

    No flag, no foul!

    This time I will type s-l-o-w-e-r for you. I was recently at a high level regatta with high level people (read as VOR, Olympic medalists, multiple national champs, etc). It was umpired so no time was wasted after wards. A few thoought they were fouled and threw the Y flag - the umpires, who were mostly out of position,etc - made their various decisions (no contact so they are subjective, as most are). Some times someone was red flagged - do you think the flagged party 'learned' anything - nope! But they were pissed that the other party 'lied' about the protest, etc. But thats using the rules as weapons and is allowed at this level so they suck it up and move on. Now take a much lower level club or beer can series - a decidely club racer pushes a crossing or a mark rounding - I can call him out right there (and likley have a discussion with him over a beer later an 'splain' it to him) or i can 'protest' and really 'teach him a lesson'. Since its word vs word, its only a 50% chance the outcome will be correct (assuming the protest committee is competent and been in a boat in the last 10 years), do you think the offending party will realy learn something and do you think this improves sailing? Teaching someone is lot more valuable than just being a dick to show how you swing. Oh and I recommend chamomile, with just a taste of lemon! I
  2. DarkHorse

    No flag, no foul!

    As an example - beer can race when i have to duck 2 feet - could i protest, yes. Will I? No - not worth my time. I told the guy he was wrong then and there, and so according to the rules, he will need to spin a circle or drop out, either way he may ruin the social event for his guests. I feel bad that I was even near that guy - could have been a cruiser, either way, doesn't affect me anymore. Did it bother me, yes, for about 10 seconds. And you, likely back barking rules at the C-fleet and proud of yourself for it. Did our 'event' impact you? Not at all, so worry about your own C-fleeters you are dominating. (and if I protested him, do you think he will show up at the meeting that may be 4 days later - not a chance, he won't care, and everyone would look at me like some wanker) To each their own. Try explaining all this to your 3rd wife.......
  3. DarkHorse

    No flag, no foul!

    Basic rules of protesting: - beer can: not so much, maybe an after race beer and discussion - local racing: maybe, if consequential - lets not destroy a good afternoon of sailing in room just to make a point - national and above: sure, but needs to be reasonable over and out.
  4. DarkHorse

    No flag, no foul!

    Wow! Losing friends and respect of your competitors is more important than growing sailing. How is that fleet of one going for you anyway?
  5. DarkHorse

    what is it?

    Maverick hasn't signed up for Transpac yet (she has until March I believe). And she better be tone down her plans - her video shows hard reaching in 25 kts - transpac is 80% in less than 17 kts and mostly 12-16kts pure running. Crusader came all powered up and then sat on her haunches in light running conditions.
  6. DarkHorse

    No flag, no foul!

    For more recreational racing, I would much rather engage the offending the bloke in the bar and nicely explain the rules. Most are happy to learn and understand - but for those who are idiots and don't want to listen and learn, time spent in a protest room won't make a difference. That being said, damage or injury REQUIRE a written protest - with it, the racing rules apply, without it, here come the lawyers and the Colregs!
  7. DarkHorse

    drop the drops

    The main reason for drops in a club level series is to ensure people will come back. If you just can't make it for a given event (whatever the reason), and then have no drops - you are effectively out of the series and have no real incentive to make the rest of the series. And then the one guy who made it through the series, can be standing all alone on the last day with his pickle dish (at least it makes buying a round for everyone cheaper!!) If we want to incent racing, lets not disincent those who can come out!
  8. DarkHorse

    No flag, no foul!

    But the real question is - barring damage, how much effort do you want to put out in 'teaching' someone else those few rules? I have sunday night football to watch, not spend 2-3 hours in useless protest hearings. I already beat the guy on the water anyway.. and eveyone already knows he's an idiot.
  9. DarkHorse

    No flag, no foul!

    Nice discussion but does it matter in the real world. I was at a recent 'umpire on the water' and there were a a handful of fouls called, and the umpires were only in the vicinity with a view a few times. On one of ours where they made a call in our favor, but they were no where near the incident so it felt hollow. And I know the other team didn't agree and so didn't 'learn' anything. But for most non-championship events (those without umpiring), running through the whole protest rigamarole is too much work. Unless there is damage, the likelihood of the other party even to show up is small, and the real outcome is that the avenged party just becomes negative on the protesting party for the rest of the season. And all for a pickle dish? It may work fine for one designs where everyone immediately goes to the same dock location after the race and the race can be completed in minutes, else it has become less important. We know who won on the water and the idiot being protested probably won't learn anything anyway. yes, not politically correct, but reality.
  10. DarkHorse

    PHRF, ULDB classes?

    Just a few PH ULDB #s to ponder: TP52 4.8-6.2 FT 4.75-5.2 J125 4.75 SC50-52 3.0/3.1 J120 2.6/2.7 SCH35 2.0 CAT30 1.15 Now, as Bill says, if you tie rating bands with ULDB bands, you will probably get closer/fairer racing than we do today.
  11. DarkHorse

    San Diego to Ensenada Race

    You make the call.... 42.3 Exceptions (a) A boat may be rolled to facilitate steering. (b) A boat’s crew may move their bodies to exaggerate the rolling that facilitates steering the boat through a tack or a gybe, provided that, just after the tack or gybe is completed, the boat’s speed is not greater than it would have been in the absence of the tack or gybe. (c) Except on a beat to windward, when surfing (rapidly accelerating down the front of a wave) or planing is possible, the boat’s crew may pull in any sail in order to initiate surfing or planing, but each sail may be pulled in only once for each wave or gust of wind.
  12. DarkHorse

    San Diego to Ensenada Race

    PHRF is an empirical system based upon experience and a relatively constant number(there are 3 -Buoy, RLC, and OWC but no wind component) . ORR is probably more accurate as its based on VPPs that have been improved over time. Its really hard to be truly fair when planing boats are involved and you don't have a wind component. The difference in scoring accuracy can come down to whether a wind matrix is used or a single number. I don't expect weekend RCs to go to the effort of setting wind matrices (either pre or post race) so many of the races end up be slanted to one condition or another. Sounds like this race was a mid range (i.e. lighter early as evidenced by the early planing of the Tiger and then the wind came up to J125 range, and they were off - we have seen this in recent N2Es as well). You can't really account for all that without a bit of work by the RC so we live with the horses for courses of the day. Just looking at the elapsed times - Anarchy did well, no matter what the system - congrats!
  13. DarkHorse

    Vodka and Ambien use by a crew member

    During an offshore race several years ago, a crew on another boat went into seizure and had to be constrained in his bunk. Radio call to the fleet found a doctor who talked to the crew. Upon searching his baggage, they found an epilesy seizure container that was empty - apparently he only had 1/2 enough pills for the race and so split the daily dosage in half, which didn't apparently work. They had to airlift in emergency pills to get him through the race. (I won't even mention how he then started bouncing checks at all the clubs that year........) So, yes, thoroughly vet your crew (or at least be currnet on the rules for burials at sea!)
  14. DarkHorse

    General fucking recall

    ...and since its a general, ADD is free and clear to fuck it up again (and the little damage he did cause may get cleared away once he goes to the ColRegs!!) They should vote him off the island!!!
  15. DarkHorse

    How to score one class with two divisions?

    With the Opti, a large fleet with great disparity in skills between A and B fleets, one fluke race can greatly impact a division. eg, if B fleet normally gets 20-30th places, and then one B fleeter gets a 3rd, he may only be one place ahead of his next B-fleeter, but could wrap up the event with a 20 point margin in scoring bawsed on overall placings. Wouldn't happen all the time, but would push the B fleet to flyers due to the pure point advantage. The separate scoring makes fleet management more interesting. - Hate to see collusion, but highly doubtful and easily evident.