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  1. DarkHorse


    Well this about says it all (from the DIYC Jan 12/13 race results): Racer/Cruiser (8 boats) (top) Series Standing - 2 races scored Information is provisional and subject to modification Regatta results last updated: Sunday, January 13, 2019 3:10:12 PM CDT Click on race number to view detailed race information. Pos Sail Boat Rating Skipper Yacht Club 1 2 Total Pos 1 12564 Team Effort 177 Tom Turton DIYC 2 1 3 1 2 48 Prime Plus 96 Mark Requa Boca Ciega YC 1 3 4 2 3 43620 Wing-it 126 Michael & Lesa Doyle Davis Island Yacht Club 4 2 6 3 4 60740 Sacred Cow 78 Dave German DIYC 3 5 8 4 5 038 Mi Sueno 120 Ron Kinney SPYC & SPSA 5 4 9 5 6 1 BLUE HERON 103 RUSSELL HOADLEY DAVIS ISLAND YACHT CLUB 6 6 12 6 7 007 Esperanza 138 Ralph Stoddard DIYC 9/DNF 7 16 7 8 39511 Wired 42 Stefan Achilles DIYC 9/DSQ 9/DSQ 18 8
  2. So, WOXI crew does admit it broke at the start - and simple check of marinetraffics or vessel finder apps would have shown they weren't The real question - is not transmitting a viable safety transgression? Did they check they were receiging AIS so their local MOB AIS devices worked? (I bet they did) and should the RC be responsible for managing the safety regs - now that we know they mis reported at the end of the race that everything worked, should that be enough to reopen the RC protest?
  3. This needs to be answered not just for WOXI, but going forward will/can AIS be required since there is no way to 'prove' they turned it off or they just have faulty gear on board (probably can't protest on negligent maintenance, but lawyers can sure jump on it if there is a death). I have no dog in the fight, and have no way of knowing the facts - but it should be investigated, else AIS is dead as a 'requirement' going forward.
  4. Bury it? #1 - the safety issue - AIS is primarily to manage racing yachts in the shipping lanes. If the RC/ISAF allows this to be buried, AND when a boat gets hit in the shipping lanes, who has the liability when its clear the RCs state a requirement (and get regualtory approval for the race) and failed to enforce it. The RC should enforce as a clear Safety Regulation issue. If they can't protest since someone told them about the safety issue, then they can at least dissallow WOXIs entry in next years race! #2 - Tactitical issue - everyone has a tracker and AIS - if WOXI didn't transmit either, is it considered okay? Wonder what would have happend if BJ had told the race committee of it in the middle of the race during a position report? Is the RC then allowed to protest? Or does the RC have to monitor and check every safety operation on every boat?
  5. wouldn't it be interesting if a 4ksb heard of this as they hit the dock and then protested woxi within her time limit, and used the RC investigation as a fact?
  6. ..and the fact that WOXI could see the speed and shifts of their competitors, and their competitors could not, doesn't matter? As Paul Elvstrom famously stated, '"You haven't won the race, if in winning the race you have lost the respect of your competitors." WOXI should just go buy a pickle dish - it would be cheaper and they wouldn't look like dicks in the end....
  7. Whats sad is that going forward, everyone can turn it off without impact. Either they don''t get protested or all they have to say is that they had the switch in the on position and they get off scott free. The goal of safety has gone out the door. It was unfair for the other boats to be seen but not WOXI, but the goal of the rule was safety - hard to believe the RC is not authorized to maintain the safety rules. Guess life rafts are optional now too?
  8. DarkHorse

    Are they Racers?

    yep - its WL (OD and PHRF WL rating) and Random Leg (PHRF RLC rating) In Long Beach Race Week - you have the choice of 2-3 W/L per day on 1-1.25 mile legs, or 1 Random leg per day 13-25 mi course In OD, there were 75 in 6 classes, In WL PHRF, there were 23 in 3 classes (generally smaller boats). In Random Leg, there were 28 in 4 classes, with generally larger offshore boats. Many of the OD uses this as their class or Pacific championship (or a qualifier for J70 worlds). Many of the Random Leg racers use this as tuning and sail testing for their offshore programs. Both groups are competitive and both have their share of pros and cruisers. OD or sprit boats, are more about tight starting/tactics - using the same 3 sails whether they are under powered or over powered - its all about one-on-one competition in tight, short course . Random leg boats are more about sail selection/change and boat setup -its all about sailing to your rating, with a bit of navigation/tactics thrown in (oh, and for those bitching about PHRF, its a perfect time to get boat vs boat speed/timing for any rating complaints!)
  9. DarkHorse

    Are we(racing sailors) a culture of cheaters?

    There are guys who just don't know the rules There are guys who streeeetch things a bit and then there are cheaters (J70 class has been a perfect example although they seem to be cleaner this year).
  10. DarkHorse

    No flag, no foul!

    This time I will type s-l-o-w-e-r for you. I was recently at a high level regatta with high level people (read as VOR, Olympic medalists, multiple national champs, etc). It was umpired so no time was wasted after wards. A few thoought they were fouled and threw the Y flag - the umpires, who were mostly out of position,etc - made their various decisions (no contact so they are subjective, as most are). Some times someone was red flagged - do you think the flagged party 'learned' anything - nope! But they were pissed that the other party 'lied' about the protest, etc. But thats using the rules as weapons and is allowed at this level so they suck it up and move on. Now take a much lower level club or beer can series - a decidely club racer pushes a crossing or a mark rounding - I can call him out right there (and likley have a discussion with him over a beer later an 'splain' it to him) or i can 'protest' and really 'teach him a lesson'. Since its word vs word, its only a 50% chance the outcome will be correct (assuming the protest committee is competent and been in a boat in the last 10 years), do you think the offending party will realy learn something and do you think this improves sailing? Teaching someone is lot more valuable than just being a dick to show how you swing. Oh and I recommend chamomile, with just a taste of lemon! I
  11. DarkHorse

    No flag, no foul!

    As an example - beer can race when i have to duck 2 feet - could i protest, yes. Will I? No - not worth my time. I told the guy he was wrong then and there, and so according to the rules, he will need to spin a circle or drop out, either way he may ruin the social event for his guests. I feel bad that I was even near that guy - could have been a cruiser, either way, doesn't affect me anymore. Did it bother me, yes, for about 10 seconds. And you, likely back barking rules at the C-fleet and proud of yourself for it. Did our 'event' impact you? Not at all, so worry about your own C-fleeters you are dominating. (and if I protested him, do you think he will show up at the meeting that may be 4 days later - not a chance, he won't care, and everyone would look at me like some wanker) To each their own. Try explaining all this to your 3rd wife.......
  12. DarkHorse

    No flag, no foul!

    Basic rules of protesting: - beer can: not so much, maybe an after race beer and discussion - local racing: maybe, if consequential - lets not destroy a good afternoon of sailing in room just to make a point - national and above: sure, but needs to be reasonable over and out.
  13. DarkHorse

    No flag, no foul!

    Wow! Losing friends and respect of your competitors is more important than growing sailing. How is that fleet of one going for you anyway?
  14. DarkHorse

    what is it?

    Maverick hasn't signed up for Transpac yet (she has until March I believe). And she better be tone down her plans - her video shows hard reaching in 25 kts - transpac is 80% in less than 17 kts and mostly 12-16kts pure running. Crusader came all powered up and then sat on her haunches in light running conditions.
  15. DarkHorse

    No flag, no foul!

    For more recreational racing, I would much rather engage the offending the bloke in the bar and nicely explain the rules. Most are happy to learn and understand - but for those who are idiots and don't want to listen and learn, time spent in a protest room won't make a difference. That being said, damage or injury REQUIRE a written protest - with it, the racing rules apply, without it, here come the lawyers and the Colregs!