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  1. We are lucky enough that we have a small band of Whisper Sailors playing around and posting videos and rigging / tuning notes. - @Flying Tiger Whisper is publishing his videos, including some how to rig it, at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCipkSggLhwNpIpeSGgIMBDA - @flyinggorilla is publishing... videos at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwhb6u4A_Hy-c-eJbMLW7bg amazing docs and anecdotes at https://github.com/flyinggorilla/whisper-foiling-catamaran - My own stuff: videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwa0EvPl3EP65GVsM8EqCMA docs (dated now) https://martin-langhoff.github.io/whisper-foiling-catamaran/ ~ ~ ~ Happy to answer questions, discuss Whisper topics here. Now that summer is here, I expect you'll see more videos as we sail, play, capsize and fly...
  2. The NACRA 17 and even the NACRA 15 have gone to foiling technology, but those are one-designs. Of course the A Cats have had it for a while and did a lot of the experimentation and development for foiling beach cats, so there is a precedent for an existing box-rule class to permit the use of foils. Will the F18 or F16 classes be adopting foiling technology? Or, will they be denying it to keep the large numbers of existing boats competitive? If they choose not to go there will we eventually see a new box-rule beachcat formula that is close in size to the 18, which remains popular for larger crews? Would adopting foiling effectively split the F18 class into two halves, the pre-foiling and post-foiling boats, and hurt people with older boats like Tigers that still want to race them? Just wondering what people who know more about this (like active F18 or F16 racers) think. How does the NACRA 17 do with heavier crews? The stated optimum crew weight (from sailing.org for the Mixed Multihull class) is just over 300lbs. 400lb crew seems like what F18 (and above) are built for.
  3. Is this the new NYYC 30-foot foiling trimaran that Clean keeps talking about over on the Melges 40 thread? https://www.facebook.com/morrellimelvin/photos/pb.134835713257038.-2207520000.1480657086./1195890840484848/?type=3&theater
  4. I am having a blast on my Whisper cat. One are I am finding it tricky is stable runs on spinnaker, from reach or tight reach. Lately we've been having light winds (~8kt); in these winds under spinnaker we build up nice speed -- flying in apparent wind -- to about 8kt, which is for me easy takeoff speed. And we do take off :-) -- but as we speed up (ie 13kt, perhaps with an assist from a gust) we get to the point where the spinnaker luffs. Even if we avoid a complete luff -- we lose speed quickly, and the apparent wind is gone. As things stand, we have exhilarating runs of a few minutes, followed by a slowdown. We pick ourselves up and go at it again. Is there a technique to get to a stable dynamic?
  5. Ride Height Set the ride height adjusters to 3 mm as measured between the top of the white edge of the foil and the bottom of the black trailing edge of the foil when the wand is straight down. Tighten the ride height nut fully, then undo the nut one quarter turn (just enough that you can adjust your ride height). Foil Rake For racing, setting the foils asymmetrically is optimal (say 2.5 windward, 3.5 leeward), but when first learning to foil set them the same bilaterally. Interestingly, it is necessary to set the foils with a higher rake for fresh water than for seawater due to the lower density of fresh water. For seawater, learn to foil at first with the foil rake set at 3 bilaterally; For fresh water, 4 bilaterally. Running with an Even Keel “The most important thing is the boat must be flat to foil.” Like a plane taking off, the wings will provide the most lift when parallel to the surface. Twin Trapeze Having both captain and crew out on the trapeze is the easiest way to foil. The crew uses the main sheet to maintain their stance on the hull while the captain uses the traveler (but do not uncleat the traveler). Beam Reach While you are on a beam reach going near your max speed, let the mainsail out slightly and you should start to foil. Avoiding Windward Capsize Once you start to foil, it is likely the mast will tip windward. When this happens, do not point more into the wind as you will luff and lose power in the mainsail. When foiling, your speed will increase and the apparent wind will shift forward. Sheeting in the main should apply more force leeward and avoid capsize.
  6. Toy's gotta go ... $10K Will link to the SA add when it comes on-line. In the meantime, here's an old boring video, sorry, that's all I've got: https://flic.kr/s/aHskJ7SiXA
  7. Sea trials were supposed to take place this past July, no news from the company. Any insight out there?
  8. When it is not scratched, or perforated with holes that need patching, my catamaran is a foiling beast. The foils are controlled by a wand setup, a bit like a moth, which can be seen here - https://www.boatdesign.net/threads/high-performance-mpx-foil-self-righting-trimaran-the-test-model.36058/page-165#post-793597 (warning! it's a post by Doug Lord :-) -- just look at the pics). The control system has adjustments for ride height -- but I want to improve on them with wand-length control. However, I have some hard constraints, as the foil still needs to fit through the foil case, etc. Moth style wand length control won't work here. Control needs to be brought to the top of the foil. The black rod in the pic is about 7mm, and I might be able to squeeze in an 8mm rod in there. Thoughts? Examples of systems others have built? My harebrained scheme is one with a telescopic setup and a control cable... - a 7mm or 8mm acetal or nylon tube, 5mm ID, with a narrow cut along, the length of the telecoping distance - a 5mm rod - acetal or nylon, inserted in the tube, with a screw screwed that "runs" along the cut in the tube to control telescoping and rotation - a push/pull cable control system, running inside the tube, then inside the foil (which has some internal tubes)
  9. Two races held in consistent 20knot South Easter and wind against tide short chop on Bramble Bay, Moreton Bay, Brisbane. A lively ride for skippers. Eight out of twenty braved the conditions with Steve Brewin taking both wins. Forecast is for 15 knots today and slightly less on Sunday. Four races today in morning and afternoon sessions. Will post more results plus hopefully images and a video when able.
  10. Greetings! First post on Sailing Anarchy. I have absolutely no experience foiling and would appreciate tapping into the collective wisdom/experience of this forum. I'd like to see if I have a good grasp of crew weight placement on a foiling catamaran. Hoping to receive my White Formula Whisper next week. Props to Martin and Charlie P. Mayer for their very helpful videos. Proper Weight Placement Weight Too Far Back – Ventilation at 0:18: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuVPoRIHX80 “Popping a Wheelie” at 0:06: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_B_BBIiSoo Weight Too Far Forward – Submarining of Bows, then Pitchpole at 0:51: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBmfa20tcJQ “Catapulting” Pitchpole at 1:04: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hculJT0BT90 Weight Too Far Windward – Windward Capsize at 0:48: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2J3vwrHsOE Weight Too Far Leeward – Heeling Capsize at 1:10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoxWRhFrv1Y If you know of better video examples of these scenarios, please post and I'll update this thread.
  11. Couple months ago a Whisper landed in Miami, where Biscayne Bay and local weather provide for great foiling opportunities :-) I see there's plenty of interest in foiling around here, and a lively Stunt S9 discussion. So I thought I'd start a thread on Whisper sailing (leaving behind the theoretical/flamey old Whisper thread). To be frank, I'm hoping to see a community of practice and knowledge grow around small/easy foilers. Love what I see about the S9 for single-handling; I'm loving my Whisper. So here's my contribution: I'm documenting what I'm learning, and hoping to spark discussion. Rigging videos https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoO1STST8XYTOkLxW1lvm3_NduJLAazJL Sailing - we've had a slow start at foiling (for many reasons), but getting better at it now https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoO1STST8XYRKpt4hfFSSxvsRftKCIA58 Rigging notes https://martin-langhoff.github.io/whisper-foiling-catamaran/ Along the way, WhiteFormula folks -- makers of the Whisper -- have been incredibly helpful. So -- have you sailed a Whisper? How did it go? Did you change anything in the rig? Any questions about the boat? I'll try to answer to best of my abilities :-)
  12. Just a Interesting topic on which boat would be the "better' boat. I do realise they arnt the same but in terms of the easier boat to foil, manover and worrys of the waszp letting you down, thanks
  13. Hello Foil Anarchists, My name is David Busch, Bend, Oregon (roots in Michigan) My research is centered around Foiling Stability & Control (both sailing and powered) FSC engineering to master Yaw, Pitch & Roll alone is hard work. Coupled to self-righting it is a moonshot. This thread asks one simple question… “What does the Global Community want out of Foiling in the next 5 -10 years?” To Foil more? Go even Faster? Master Stability and Control? Traverse blue water over great distances? To capsize - turn turtled and call for rescue, once again…? If your interested reshaping your sport, read on people. My intent of this New Topic is to stimulate debate in the community so that “we” as the “whole community” can navigate this beast of Foiling Stability and Control. I will bring my research video tape to this forum.In addition to imagery, I will bring spirited debate, when needed. My Design Process is simple; First, learn to master Stability and Control under electric power first. Second, add the sail. My sailing logbook includes: Semi-pro Windsurfer and shaper, Live-aboard on Downeaster 38, Scow racer, Kiteboarder on water and snow, Blue water Tri racing Corsair 24 and 31 (I’m a sailplane and power Pilot as well) Website: http://www.travacedesign.com https://vimeo.com/42547598 https://vimeo.com/191635853 I work at Epic Aircraft, LLC as Principal Designer, Check out our all Carbon fiber, Turboprop. This high performance time-machine is very close to achieving FAA Type Certification. http://epicaircraft.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidbbusch
  14. Foiling Week Newport is about to start from September 8th to 11th in Newport, R.I at Sail Newport base Foiling Week Newport will see another impressive speakers line-up at the forum, including Pete Melvin ( on Nacra future olimpic foiler and the Superfoiler project ) , Don Montague ( on all the recent kite boats out of Kai concepts ) , Tom Speer ( on A-class developments and AC ), Brunø Giunłoli( on foil configuration and C-class ) , Steve Clark and David Clark ( on a new foiling UFO ), Jay Phillips ( on the new Stiletto X series ), Nat Shaver ( on Team France AC developments ), William Sunnucks ( on the latest innovations of the Vampire project ), Leopoldo Rodriquez ( on a 37 meters foiling motor yacht ), Andrew Macpherson ( on a new 30ft foiling Cat ). All in the safe hands of the forum moderator Chris Museler. Forum entry is free for all competitors. Registration is open for non-competitors athttp://one.foilingweek.com/index.php#nor Foiling Week Newport will have several boats available for trials open to all including women and children (with dedicated boats and rigs) , from Waszpto Catamaran Stunt - S9 , from @Flying Phantoms to the new "UFO" from the brain and hands of Steve Clark and David Clark There will also be racing of Moths, Waszp, A-class and prototype class. Event is free to watch and open to fans and sailors of any ability. Come and join the US Foiling community
  15. Some pics popped up recently of the new DNA. It looks great, the Aero package on the platform is insane. http://www.catsailingnews.com/2016/04/a-class-dna-2016-f1-coolest-sailboat.html With the integration of the aft hulls/rear crossbeam and the tiller system, i dont think there is alot left that you can easily do to the boat. In the description below the pictures Thijs talks about a integrated 'soft deck' instead of a 'traditional trampoline'. Does anyone know what this might be? video shows 16+ kts 'upwind' and 26+ kts off the wind
  16. Foiling Week Garda racing and forum program are now final.Boat trials will be available. More info on foiling week website www.foilingweek.com Racing program: http://www.foilingweek.com/pages/garda/foiling-week-2016-program/ Forum program: http://www.foilingweek.com/pages/garda/tfw-forum-2016-garda-program/ Racing and forum entries: http://one.foilingweek.com/index.php 2015 video: 2016 community/events video: Event is open and all are welcome. Stay tuned for Foiling Week Newport in September
  17. Hey, Has anyone thought of using a microcomputer like a raspberry pi or arduino to gather data while training and/or racing? You can get the new Raspberry Pi platform for about 45$ and sensors for 5-40$. You could potentially set up a system that would utilize, gps, accelerometers, digital compasses, thermometers, and ultrasonic range finders that could gather and store data for examination later. You could even hack a kindle and have an awesome large custom screen to view real time data while you are sailing. For some more money and effort you could incorporate wind instruments, strain gauges and fixed cameras. I see this as a more flexible solution for small boats, seems like faster large boats may have a better budget for things like the tactic systems. Paying 400+ dollars for a velocitek doesn't seem like a great value when i have an old kindle and for under 100$ i can get a raspberry pi, gps chip, compass chip and a battery. especially when that system would be up-gradable with any number of sensors that id like. I don't have a lot of experience with coding and building electronics but am i crazy to think that this would be a valuable effort? -ryan
  18. http://www.marstrom.com/sv/component/k2/item/97-marstrom-is-supporting-v-rex-the-foiling-flying-sailing-vessel Would love to hear Larso weigh in on this thing. Anyone heard anything more than whats in this very brief press release? Haven't translated/read the Godspeed site to see if it has more info. Didn't appear to on a quick glance though...
  19. Looking at the website for replays of the first races but I can only find the link to the live racing or short promo videos Is there still an app? Close quarter racing in foiling cats looks good in the highlight reel
  20. Peter Stephinson of Glide Free is in Hawaii doing some demos of the foiling Laser Kit. Got some video of it working before the wind died out. More possibly to come if our trade winds return...