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Does anyone have a picture of a J35 on Lake Erie called Warlord?

 

I grew up racing against it, and always thought it was a great graphics set.

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Ant Jean

 

You meant, Aunt Jean

R.I.P.

 

Great Battle Flag

 

 

and there is now an "Uncle Joe" in the fleet down in West River.. not sure what the name was before

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and there is now an "Uncle Joe" in the fleet down in West River.. not sure what the name was before

 

Bump, that was Ballyhoo.

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and there is now an "Uncle Joe" in the fleet down in West River.. not sure what the name was before

 

Bump, that was Ballyhoo.

 

thanks, I knew that at one point, but those brain cells we're left out on the bay somewhere during the Down the Bay race ;)

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Fair Winds and Following Seas, Capt. John Bonds.....

 

It was reported on US Sailing site that Captain Bonds, a skipper of many J-boats, has passed. At a recent Safety at Sea seminar John and I were talking about the J/35 and he remarked that it was one of his favorite boats to sail. For those who knew John, he will be missed.

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Does anyone have a picture of a J35 on Lake Erie called Warlord?

 

I grew up racing against it, and always thought it was a great graphics set.

 

 

There was a J35 named Warlord that t-boned a santana(?) and sank it several years ago. . .I'd like to see pics of that:blink:

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+1

 

It's getting to be time for all good J/35 skippers on the Eastern Great Lakes to belly up to the bar and register for the I-LYA Sr Bay Regatta.

 

Word is that the Shock 35 fleet is gathering momentum. We need to make a good showing!

 

J35M8

 

Registration is on YachtScoring.com or through www.i-lya.org

 

 

Visit www.i-lya.org

J:

 

Talk about fun.... the "J/35 & T/35 Association" (mostly Lake St. Clair and Huron boats) has decided to make the I-LYA Sr. Bay Week event a counter for their Championship Series. A verbal commitment to come down to P-I-B has been made by 8 boats so far and it looks like we could get another 4 or 5. Combine those boats with 8 Schock 35s and 5 more J/35s from Lake Erie and Lake Ontario and all of sudden we have a 20+ boat fleet racing LEVEL-72. First boat across the line gets the beer!

 

As you say.... Very fun and great to see it come back again!

 

In 2011 the J/35 North American Championships will be held at North Cape Yacht Club. The Bay Week event will be 2 weeks before the big event.... a perfect way to get the boats and crews really dialed in.

 

There used to be a very active level 72 on Lake Erie. J's, Schock's and Thomas 35's. It seemed each boat had a condition that slightly favored them but by years end the race results were remarkably close. Very fun, it would be great to see that come back again.

 

TRUE - There are now 10 S35's in the water in Lake Erie - 2 in Sandusky, 1 in Huron, 2 in Cleveland, 3 in Fairport, and 2 in Erie, PA.

 

I have talked with most of them and would be surprised if we could not have 8 or 9 boats at both Cleveland Race Week and Bay Week.

 

Will be fun to see the J's at the bay - you should consider coming down to Cleveland for race week too.

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What is everyone's top speed on the J35. Word from my boat today doing a feeder race on Lake Erie in 30+ knots is that they hit 23.1! And blew up a kite. Just wondering what everyone else has experienced

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What is everyone's top speed on the J35. Word from my boat today doing a feeder race on Lake Erie in 30+ knots is that they hit 23.1! And blew up a kite. Just wondering what everyone else has experienced

Obviously not that fast, but 13Knots, flat water, 27TWS, 1-1/2 oz spinaker. 14 knots, #3 only, 40TWS. Lots of 11-12Knots.

 

Here is a cool vid from Europe of 19.2 knots:

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What is everyone's top speed on the J35. Word from my boat today doing a feeder race on Lake Erie in 30+ knots is that they hit 23.1! And blew up a kite. Just wondering what everyone else has experienced

Obviously not that fast, but 13Knots, flat water, 27TWS, 1-1/2 oz spinaker. 14 knots, #3 only, 40TWS. Lots of 11-12Knots.

 

Here is a cool vid from Europe of 19.2 knots:

 

 

A friend with Jabiru did a sustained 16+ in about 30 knots with a decent sea behind them..........

 

JP

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What is everyone's top speed on the J35. Word from my boat today doing a feeder race on Lake Erie in 30+ knots is that they hit 23.1! And blew up a kite. Just wondering what everyone else has experienced

Obviously not that fast, but 13Knots, flat water, 27TWS, 1-1/2 oz spinaker. 14 knots, #3 only, 40TWS. Lots of 11-12Knots.

 

Here is a cool vid from Europe of 19.2 knots:

 

 

Similar speeds with our boat for me personally, 13.5 double-handed, with old (I mean 20 yr.) dacron delivery sails up on the way back from Key West. 25 knots or so wind-speed, pretty flat water, just a small 2' swell running just aft of the beam with the breeze coming off-shore.

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we rarely get the sort of conditions on the ChesBay that let us get up into the high teens or more.

we've tapped 13 or 14 a couple times pretty broad downwind with a .6 kite in 20+ gusts

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we rarely get the sort of conditions on the ChesBay that let us get up into the high teens or more.

we've tapped 13 or 14 a couple times pretty broad downwind with a .6 kite in 20+ gusts

It is somewhat the same in Puget Sound. Our higher speeds have pretty much always been in flat water. And the boat digs a BIG hole in the water. In the Strait of Juan de Fuca we can get some big swells. That was were my 14 was during a gale with a #3 surfing down some big waves.

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Awesome refit! Looks spectacular. About comments on cost and value of any J/35 on the market, anyone should consider spending twice the purchase price again, all in, for a serious refits like Bzing's, sails, deck repairs, rigging, etc. Still, a lot of boat for the money. It's been hard selecting what our next new boat would be after our cruising J/35. My final project on Cavallino will be hull repairs (blisters and whatever rot we find) and an epoxy bottom. Looking for sound advice...anyone?

The old J35 "Obsession" has been totally re-fit at Mullers in Annapolis, Over 600 hours of my own labor, plus some of Muller's crack fiberglass team and she's ready to rock again....the crew needs to get the boat handling down but she definitely has the speed and we are on our way. Here is a video of the transformation. Check it out at http://picasaweb.goo...536613539176002

Obsession was one of the old boats. Around 83 or 84. I sailed for the original owner that had it till last year, when it was sold to the Ches Bay. A friend of mine sent me a pic of it sitting at Mullers in Nappy a few weeks ago. Any of you Ches Bay guys know what's going on with it? She was a ridden hard old girl for sure. I'd think she'd need a ton of work to get her a fighting chance in OD stuff.

 

The guy that owned the C&C99 Bzing bought her and is doing a pretty major refit.. or so I've been told..

I think you'd be hard pressed to find any 35's that weren't rode hard for a few years. They all show battle scars by now..

Hey Bump....

 

Those battle scars will buff out in most cases. If there is major structural damage, even that is usually repairable. When I look at the cost of a used J/35 and double it to take into account the re-fit, it's still a whole lot of boat for the dollars spent.

 

Another thought.... are there J/35s out there in the Del/Mar/Va area that are not taking part in the racing scene or the One Design scene. There are at least 3 here on the Great Lakes that are fast Cruisers or who just race double-handed and some PHRF. As a One Deisgn racer and supporter of that part of the class, I need to remind myself that there is still room for lots of fun and enjoyment of the J35 for the occasional racer or the cruiser. If there are.... how are they participating in the sport of sailing?

 

I have done some shorthanded sailing in TIME MACHINE and it's always a hoot. One night we got the boat balanced out and lashed the tiller. She stayed within 2 degrees of TWA for 6 hours! It was magical!

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Anybody here ever been on a '84 J called Her Nibbs, out of Sodus, NY? It's for sale and looks quite clean in the pics, but has been advertised for so long and is so below the price of other 35's that I'm wondering if it might need work (i.e. soft spots, etc.).

 

Anything I should know about that vintage? I'm hearing talk of major refits above. What's their rep, quality-wise?

 

Thanks.

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I currently race on a J/35 out of Annapolis called Dakota Girl, hull #263

 

Rounding out the others I see in Annapolis:

 

Bad Company (124)

Maggie (157)

Medicine Man (123)

Rebel Yell (268)

T-Bone (188)

Frequent Flyer (211)

 

Plus Aunt Jean, Bzing and Bump which have already been mentioned....

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Anyone know how many Bashford built?

Are they vinylester or poly boats...do they ever get osmosis

Thanks

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Naptownish based boats from Fleet 7 website

 

 

Name Sail Number Hull

Aunt Jean 53408 7 active

Bad Company 40248 124 active

Bump In The Night 32339 active

Bzing 33757 active

Dakota Girl 97864 263 active

Eighth Deadly Sin 73027 163 not very active

Fatal Attraction 41791 209 not very active

Frequent Flyer 83445 211 not very active anymore since owner bought Farr 40

Maggie 40738 157 active

Medicine Man 73000 123 active

Red Dragon 40105 not very

Rebel Yell 73425 268 active

Scot-Free 33927 104 not active

T-Bone 41870 188 active

Tiamat 33785 88 not very

WINDEPENDENT 53427 70 very active

Charlie 53355 13 occassional

Cheers 63251 147 inactive

Rampage 41135 I've never seen this boat

Uncle Joe 41463 168 seems to be only wed nights in West River

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With all of these boats being identified and coming out of the woodwork, how many will be at North Americans and/or Midatlantics this year?

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I would expect the same boats that did the NOODS and maybe a couple of the recent additions.

I'd like to see FF come out for the NA's but he's been pretty busy on the Farr. expect Wild Bill and at least 4 or 4 more from the Lakes.. would be good to get them to stick around for AYC Fall series and our MA's in Nov.

a few free slips/moorings in West River for any out of towners that want to stick around.

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Bump,

 

How Annapolis-centric of you. :-)

 

Charlie and Eighth Deadly Sin are pretty active in PHRF north of the Bridge. Rampage really does exist, but may not be One-Design conforming -- they usually do Gov Cup in NS. Scot-Free is for sale. And Uncle Joe is new to them.

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Eighth..

Hey, I got above the bridge once!! actually had fun up there doing the Love Point 2 handed race!!!

but you guys should come down and mix it up 1D more often!!!

 

and there's free dockage in West River for the MA's in Nov!!!

 

bring it!!

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We thought about the Mid-Atlantics last year, but didn't quite pull it together. Don't be surprised if we make it this Fall.

 

We've done a couple of Annapolis Race Week's and an Oxford weekend. Problem is that the Annapolis clubs seem to always put us on the Thomas Point course -- making for a long delivery.

 

If anyone needs a place to stash a boat or two before or after the NA's, let me know. We can probably come up with some free or low cost options.

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Eighth.. I think Gibson Is. is going to have raft up space for all the boats in the NA's near the club.. but I may take you up on your offer .. also planning to bring my power boat up as a mother ship for some of my crew to sleep on

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Naptownish based boats from Fleet 7 website

 

 

Name Sail Number Hull

Aunt Jean 53408 7 active

Bad Company 40248 124 active

Bump In The Night 32339 active

Bzing 33757 active

Dakota Girl 97864 263 active

Eighth Deadly Sin 73027 163 not very active

Fatal Attraction 41791 209 not very active

Frequent Flyer 83445 211 not very active anymore since owner bought Farr 40

Maggie 40738 157 active

Medicine Man 73000 123 active

Red Dragon 40105 not very

Rebel Yell 73425 268 active

Scot-Free 33927 104 not active

T-Bone 41870 188 active

Tiamat 33785 88 not very

WINDEPENDENT 53427 70 very active

Charlie 53355 13 occassional

Cheers 63251 147 inactive

Rampage 41135 I've never seen this boat

Uncle Joe 41463 168 seems to be only wed nights in West River

Hey were getting there... some of the experienced crew race multi's (big and small) so it's been conflict city on weekends. Definitely shooting for the NA's... MA's are even closer... Heck, even put the good sails on the boat once.

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Hey were getting there... some of the experienced crew race multi's (big and small) so it's been conflict city on weekends. Definitely shooting for the NA's... MA's are even closer... Heck, even put the good sails on the boat once.

 

 

if you don't make the MA's in your own backyard, we're gonna have to revoke your mancard

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We are race crew on a J/35 "Scooter" out of Ventura, CA. Fast boat.

 

 

The ED has a J35 along with the FT10??????? tongue.gif

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Just so's ya know - Uncle Joe will eventually start doing the weekend bay races - we have a bunch of family "issues" holding us back this year.

 

Naptownish based boats from Fleet 7 website

 

 

Name Sail Number Hull

Aunt Jean 53408 7 active

Bad Company 40248 124 active

Bump In The Night 32339 active

Bzing 33757 active

Dakota Girl 97864 263 active

Eighth Deadly Sin 73027 163 not very active

Fatal Attraction 41791 209 not very active

Frequent Flyer 83445 211 not very active anymore since owner bought Farr 40

Maggie 40738 157 active

Medicine Man 73000 123 active

Red Dragon 40105 not very

Rebel Yell 73425 268 active

Scot-Free 33927 104 not active

T-Bone 41870 188 active

Tiamat 33785 88 not very

WINDEPENDENT 53427 70 very active

Charlie 53355 13 occassional

Cheers 63251 147 inactive

Rampage 41135 I've never seen this boat

Uncle Joe 41463 168 seems to be only wed nights in West River

Hey were getting there... some of the experienced crew race multi's (big and small) so it's been conflict city on weekends. Definitely shooting for the NA's... MA's are even closer... Heck, even put the good sails on the boat once.

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Just so's ya know - Uncle Joe will eventually start doing the weekend bay races - we have a bunch of family "issues" holding us back this year.

 

you've got to get your priorities in order ;)

 

5 registered for race week at present, but I'm willing to bet Windependent wont get a new rig installed

by labor day weekend.. I hope they do, but not optimistic.

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There's nothing I would rather do thatn go out racing - I didn't buy Ballyhoo to cruise. But, let's see, two kids in college and a 4-year-old grandson who's mom ran away to be a "gangsta girl". My time is tight for a bit yet. Sigh. But we'll definately get there. I don't think the class is going anywhere soon!

you've got to get your priorities in order ;)

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Just so's ya know - Uncle Joe will eventually start doing the weekend bay races - we have a bunch of family "issues" holding us back this year.

 

you've got to get your priorities in order <img src='http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)'

5 registered for race week at present, but I'm willing to bet Windependent wont get a new rig installed by labor day weekend.. I hope they do, but not optimistic.

 

 

So who is showing up for the NA's?

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Just so's ya know - Uncle Joe will eventually start doing the weekend bay races - we have a bunch of family "issues" holding us back this year.

 

you've got to get your priorities in order <img src='http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)'

5 registered for race week at present, but I'm willing to bet Windependent wont get a new rig installed by labor day weekend.. I hope they do, but not optimistic.

 

 

So who is showing up for the NA's?

dunno yet.. can't get a scratch sheet from anywhere

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<br />WTF Annapolis Race Week only thirty days from now, two J 35's registered.  This is a feeder race for the NA's?  Time to man up Bay boats!<br />
<br /><br /><br />

 

11 registered as of today.

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I saw a very nice J35 named 'Bwana' this past week on the hard in Stonington, CT with a wheel. Was this a one-off customization or were some boats built with a wheel?

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There were several wheeled J-35s: Obsession in Detroit was one. A bit o extra weight in the ass, but decent boats nontheless

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There were several wheeled J-35s: Obsession in Detroit was one. A bit o extra weight in the ass, but decent boats nontheless

Was there more than one Obsession J/35 in Detroit? cuz I own the one that used to be at GPYC under that name and it has never had a wheel. Currently Bad Dog since 1997. Currently one in Holland Mi with a wheel named Lickity Split formerly Habenaro.

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There were several wheeled J-35s: Obsession in Detroit was one. A bit o extra weight in the ass, but decent boats nontheless

Was there more than one Obsession J/35 in Detroit? cuz I own the one that used to be at GPYC under that name and it has never had a wheel. Currently Bad Dog since 1997. Currently one in Holland Mi with a wheel named Lickity Split formerly Habenaro.

Wheeled J/35s have been done and un-done.... TIME MACHINE had a wheel at one point (at least 2 owners ago). I can tell because the rudder tube is cut and I can see where the mounting holes were filled. Personally, I like the feel of the tiller! A balanced boat is fast and it's hard to feel if you are balanced with a wheel.

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Greetings J/35 Friends

 

I am the fleet captain for the Western Great Lakes and while we have had a nice recovery in terms of number of hulls in the last several years we are struggling, as I think all the fleets are, with participation. We are back up to 15 boats in our fleet again which is near the peak numbers of the late 90's yet we are only getting 4 or 5 boats out to the major traveling regattas. Overall I see a class that is stuck in the mud. Too many boats being converted to fast cruisers or PHRF beaters and not enough One Design sailing.

 

I think the J/35 offers the best OD big boat racing on the planet for under six figures and yet our fleets are struggling. Tarten tens are putting 30 boats on the line in Chicago and we struggle to get our OD minimum 5 boats.

 

Time to try some new things to regenerate interest!

 

I have floated a couple of ideas up to the National Association and have been given the support to try and organize a few things.

 

First, I would like to begin having an annual or bi annual J/35 mid winter symposium. Some place warm, for us northern climate owners. Bring in some hot pro's to speak and conduct workshops, top riggers to teach us how to take care of these old gals, crew clinics for different key positions (bow, trim, helm, etc,), panel of some of our top owners from Mr. Bill (three time back to back NA Champ, Aunt Jean, Bullet, Battlewagon, Falcon etc.) to talk about crew building, campaigning, etc.

 

 

 

Cocktails, commradery, etc. This would be for owners, crew and families, and any other J/35 enthusiast. Invite the Johnstones, and some other vendors to pay for more cocktails and/or food.

 

Use the national budget to seed, give a cocktail party, pay for some of the speakers. Make it at a long weekend at a central easy to travel to location at a medium priced hotel and have a blast. Get some value out of our national dues!

 

I will champion this the first time and hopefully it will take off.

 

Thoughts? Venue suggestions? Would you and or any of your crew attend?

 

I am thinking Gulf Coast location first as those folks could use some post oil spill business. Vegas would be another choice, Orlando a third. I am thinking cheap hotels and airfare so we can get entire crews coming.

 

 

What do you think?

 

Put it here or PM me. Thanks B)

Humm.... "stuck in the mud".... I think not!

 

Here on the Great Lakes, there may actually be more events than people can take in.... Detroit NOODS, Chicago NOODS, Mac Races, Harbor Springs, I-LYA Sr. Bay Weekend, North Americans at NCYC. Add to that all the various weekend races on Lake Michigan, Lake St. Clair, Lake Erie and Lake Huron and skippers and crews start to crumble under the pressure. There are simply not enough vacation days in the schedule.

 

Personally, I am up for almost anything that supports the class and builds interest and participation. If forced to choose between spending $$ on an event this winter or next summer or burning a vacation day this winter that could be used next summer..... I will lay low this winter!

 

Someone (probably me) should look to see where the center of gravity is on the map for all known J/35s. My gut tells me that it's somewhere near Pittsburg PA.

 

Let's keep the ideas coming...... and we look forward to seeing BAD DOG and AFTERSHOCK and LICKETY SPLIT and HOUQUA and BOZO and TOUCH and the rest of the Lake Michigan fleet at the North Americans in 2011.

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Greetings J/35 Friends

 

I am the fleet captain for the Western Great Lakes and while we have had a nice recovery in terms of number of hulls in the last several years we are struggling, as I think all the fleets are, with participation. We are back up to 15 boats in our fleet again which is near the peak numbers of the late 90's yet we are only getting 4 or 5 boats out to the major traveling regattas. Overall I see a class that is stuck in the mud. Too many boats being converted to fast cruisers or PHRF beaters and not enough One Design sailing.

 

I think the J/35 offers the best OD big boat racing on the planet for under six figures and yet our fleets are struggling. Tarten tens are putting 30 boats on the line in Chicago and we struggle to get our OD minimum 5 boats.

 

Time to try some new things to regenerate interest!

 

I have floated a couple of ideas up to the National Association and have been given the support to try and organize a few things.

 

First, I would like to begin having an annual or bi annual J/35 mid winter symposium. Some place warm, for us northern climate owners. Bring in some hot pro's to speak and conduct workshops, top riggers to teach us how to take care of these old gals, crew clinics for different key positions (bow, trim, helm, etc,), panel of some of our top owners from Mr. Bill (three time back to back NA Champ, Aunt Jean, Bullet, Battlewagon, Falcon etc.) to talk about crew building, campaigning, etc.

 

 

 

Cocktails, commradery, etc. This would be for owners, crew and families, and any other J/35 enthusiast. Invite the Johnstones, and some other vendors to pay for more cocktails and/or food.

 

Use the national budget to seed, give a cocktail party, pay for some of the speakers. Make it at a long weekend at a central easy to travel to location at a medium priced hotel and have a blast. Get some value out of our national dues!

 

I will champion this the first time and hopefully it will take off.

 

Thoughts? Venue suggestions? Would you and or any of your crew attend?

 

I am thinking Gulf Coast location first as those folks could use some post oil spill business. Vegas would be another choice, Orlando a third. I am thinking cheap hotels and airfare so we can get entire crews coming.

 

 

What do you think?

 

Put it here or PM me. Thanks B)

Humm.... "stuck in the mud".... I think not!

 

Here on the Great Lakes, there may actually be more events than people can take in.... Detroit NOODS, Chicago NOODS, Mac Races, Harbor Springs, I-LYA Sr. Bay Weekend, North Americans at NCYC. Add to that all the various weekend races on Lake Michigan, Lake St. Clair, Lake Erie and Lake Huron and skippers and crews start to crumble under the pressure. There are simply not enough vacation days in the schedule.

 

Personally, I am up for almost anything that supports the class and builds interest and participation. If forced to choose between spending $$ on an event this winter or next summer or burning a vacation day this winter that could be used next summer..... I will lay low this winter!

 

Someone (probably me) should look to see where the center of gravity is on the map for all known J/35s. My gut tells me that it's somewhere near Pittsburg PA.

 

Let's keep the ideas coming...... and we look forward to seeing BAD DOG and AFTERSHOCK and LICKETY SPLIT and HOUQUA and BOZO and TOUCH and the rest of the Lake Michigan fleet at the North Americans in 2011.

 

I think the economy is a big factor here. I know in my own personal situation, though my wife and I still have our jobs, half of my crew have lost theirs. I have three family members living with me who lost their jobs and whom we support financially and in other ways. Things are very tough out here. The cost of going to a multi-day regatta is harder to manage in the face of that. For me at least, single-day events would be easier.

 

I had really wanted to go the NAs this year. They are in my back yard, afterall. But with a $500 price tag, there is no way I can swing it, especially since I would likely have to add other crew related transport and meals costs to that. I don't think the fee is too high, but it is too high for me in this economy. Especially since, as a new J35 skipper, I'm likely to be more in learning mode and less competitive. I suspect I can get as much learning from the Mid-Atlantics in November at a much lower price.

 

Now, I'm sure I'll get flamed for this because, in fact, we haven't managed to get out for even a one-day class event yet. And there are always reasons, but not good ones. I really had hoped to be on the line for at least a few events by now. But that doesn't make my observations any less valid.

 

I think another factor may be crew. How "involved" do they feel in the class and the events?

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Greetings J/35 Friends

 

I am the fleet captain for the Western Great Lakes and while we have had a nice recovery in terms of number of hulls in the last several years we are struggling, as I think all the fleets are, with participation. We are back up to 15 boats in our fleet again which is near the peak numbers of the late 90's yet we are only getting 4 or 5 boats out to the major traveling regattas. Overall I see a class that is stuck in the mud. Too many boats being converted to fast cruisers or PHRF beaters and not enough One Design sailing.

 

I think the J/35 offers the best OD big boat racing on the planet for under six figures and yet our fleets are struggling. Tarten tens are putting 30 boats on the line in Chicago and we struggle to get our OD minimum 5 boats.

 

Time to try some new things to regenerate interest!

 

I have floated a couple of ideas up to the National Association and have been given the support to try and organize a few things.

 

First, I would like to begin having an annual or bi annual J/35 mid winter symposium. Some place warm, for us northern climate owners. Bring in some hot pro's to speak and conduct workshops, top riggers to teach us how to take care of these old gals, crew clinics for different key positions (bow, trim, helm, etc,), panel of some of our top owners from Mr. Bill (three time back to back NA Champ, Aunt Jean, Bullet, Battlewagon, Falcon etc.) to talk about crew building, campaigning, etc.

 

 

 

Cocktails, commradery, etc. This would be for owners, crew and families, and any other J/35 enthusiast. Invite the Johnstones, and some other vendors to pay for more cocktails and/or food.

 

Use the national budget to seed, give a cocktail party, pay for some of the speakers. Make it at a long weekend at a central easy to travel to location at a medium priced hotel and have a blast. Get some value out of our national dues!

 

I will champion this the first time and hopefully it will take off.

 

Thoughts? Venue suggestions? Would you and or any of your crew attend?

 

I am thinking Gulf Coast location first as those folks could use some post oil spill business. Vegas would be another choice, Orlando a third. I am thinking cheap hotels and airfare so we can get entire crews coming.

 

 

What do you think?

 

Put it here or PM me. Thanks B)

Humm.... "stuck in the mud".... I think not!

 

Here on the Great Lakes, there may actually be more events than people can take in.... Detroit NOODS, Chicago NOODS, Mac Races, Harbor Springs, I-LYA Sr. Bay Weekend, North Americans at NCYC. Add to that all the various weekend races on Lake Michigan, Lake St. Clair, Lake Erie and Lake Huron and skippers and crews start to crumble under the pressure. There are simply not enough vacation days in the schedule.

 

Personally, I am up for almost anything that supports the class and builds interest and participation. If forced to choose between spending $$ on an event this winter or next summer or burning a vacation day this winter that could be used next summer..... I will lay low this winter!

 

Someone (probably me) should look to see where the center of gravity is on the map for all known J/35s. My gut tells me that it's somewhere near Pittsburg PA.

 

Let's keep the ideas coming...... and we look forward to seeing BAD DOG and AFTERSHOCK and LICKETY SPLIT and HOUQUA and BOZO and TOUCH and the rest of the Lake Michigan fleet at the North Americans in 2011.

 

I think the economy is a big factor here. I know in my own personal situation, though my wife and I still have our jobs, half of my crew have lost theirs. I have three family members living with me who lost their jobs and whom we support financially and in other ways. Things are very tough out here. The cost of going to a multi-day regatta is harder to manage in the face of that. For me at least, single-day events would be easier.

 

I had really wanted to go the NAs this year. They are in my back yard, afterall. But with a $500 price tag, there is no way I can swing it, especially since I would likely have to add other crew related transport and meals costs to that. I don't think the fee is too high, but it is too high for me in this economy. Especially since, as a new J35 skipper, I'm likely to be more in learning mode and less competitive. I suspect I can get as much learning from the Mid-Atlantics in November at a much lower price.

 

Now, I'm sure I'll get flamed for this because, in fact, we haven't managed to get out for even a one-day class event yet. And there are always reasons, but not good ones. I really had hoped to be on the line for at least a few events by now. But that doesn't make my observations any less valid.

 

I think another factor may be crew. How "involved" do they feel in the class and the events?

Hey, no flames here.... There are the big marquee events (NOODS, NACs, Mac Races) and then there are a whole host of smaller, but no less fun and challenging events. The big difference is that you typically don't get ONE DESIGN racing at the more local events.

 

Yes, for the folks who are out of work, the costs do mount up and can be prohibitive. For the folks who are working.... there is so much pressure to work longer hours, just to stay employed. None of this adds up to fun times out on the water. As a Race Organizer (2011 NAC) I am doing everything I can to reduce the costs of participation.... both for the skipper and the crew!

 

We tried an interesting experiment here on Lake Erie at the I-LYA Sr Bay Weekend.... J/35s and T/35s and Shock/35s racing level. The sample size was pretty small (2 J and 3 S) and the feeling was that we should absolutely try again next year with more boats. In the Detroit area we have been sailing J and T level for many years and it has worked out great. OH.... Js were 1,2.....

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I am not an owner, so I can only speak from a crews perspective/observations.

 

It takes a lot of committment (time, money, hard work) to run any sailing program. Successful programs have had crews that have been working together for many years, spent the money to buy new sails/rigging/boat up keep, and taken the time to get the boats/crew to/from out of town events. This is not an easy thing to do on a consistent basis, especially (as has been said) in this economic downturn, more demands at work, and family commitments.

 

The NA's are a good example. The boats that have done well in this event have committed the time/money/hard work to compete in this annual highlight of the season. Why don't more boats attend this event? Time and money are big reasons - especially if you are an out of town boat, having to take the boat apart for transport and put it back together again. IMHO, having the out of town boats (ones that you do not race against at any other event) attending is the main thing that makes this event more fun. How can we call it the NA regatta if only the local boats sign up?

 

J35M8 - we are planning to be there in 2011. Getting the out of town boats to show up - even the other GL region boats - will not be an easy task.

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Exactly. Sailing's best kept secret!

WTF???

 

And to follow up on MoreCowbell2...nothing signals a moribund class to me than a stale, completely useless Class website.

(this is from someone who has been away from the boats for a few years but has fond memories of the class as a crewmmber)

 

You guys could find some high school kid in Severna Park or St. Clair Shores or Noank, with a modicum of skills in Dreamweaver, and pay her/him 50 bucks a month, out of the dues structure, to keep the site current.

 

The fact that the class just had a NAC and there's nothing on the class site is ridiculous.

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Aunt Jean

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Hah, that looks like us in the 2006 NAC. Think we hit 2 out of the first 3 marks. Tide was rippin.'

 

So, besides AJ, do you guys know who the First and Second Losers were? Or is that double secret, too?

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Hah, that looks like us in the 2006 NAC. Think we hit 2 out of the first 3 marks. Tide was rippin.'

 

So, besides AJ, do you guys know who the First and Second Losers were? Or is that double secret, too?

 

http://gibsonisland.com/yachtsquadron/race-regattas/j35-north-american-championship/

 

Results, photos, etc. I'll let someone who saw or felt, instead of just heard, tell about Medicine Man.

 

And that one photo of the start with Scot-Free/Windependent in the foreground is my new wallpaper. Nail one start in two weekends and all is forgiven by the crew.....

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MM Just got hit and was dropping sails.Didn't understand Port in Detroit slang :)

 

Scott Free is the rental for Windependent after they dropped the rig.

 

 

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This foto is too much this bear of little brain to decypher. Scooter-free (33927) has a main with Windependent's sail number, and Med Man is sitting at the line bare-headed!

 

And just to twist your brain a little more, that race never happened.

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This foto is too much this bear of little brain to decypher. Scooter-free (33927) has a main with Windependent's sail number, and Med Man is sitting at the line bare-headed!

 

And just to twist your brain a little more, that race never happened.

 

:) and thats a good thing!

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This foto is too much this bear of little brain to decypher. Scooter-free (33927) has a main with Windependent's sail number, and Med Man is sitting at the line bare-headed!

 

And just to twist your brain a little more, that race never happened.

 

:) and thats a good thing!

Is not! :-(

 

Seriously, it was the right call, but a bummer to be second at the mark only to have it blown off.

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Results, photos, etc. I'll let someone who saw or felt, instead of just heard, tell about Medicine Man.

 

I was in the "saw" category.

 

Setup:

I would guesstimate the incident at 20-24 sec before the gun, midway down the line.

Medicine Man on starboard, reaching on the line.

Mr. Bill on port, reaching on the line.

Dakota Girl about 2 boatlengths leeward and aft of Medicine Man.

 

What I know first hand:

MM and MB reaching at each other head on.

MM called "starboard".

No apparent change of course by MB.

MM luffed sharply head to wind to avoid the collision.

The stem of MB struck the hull of MM approximately 3-4 feet aft of the shrouds.

At the impact, MB was knocked down to the right to a head on course with DG.

DG fell off below MB to avoid collision.

After the impact, MM luffed the sails and stayed head to wind to assess the damage.

DG hardened up for the start.

DG fell off sharply at the start to avoid collision with stern of MM on the line.

MM crew asked DG crew how bad it was.

DG responded that the damage was bad.

 

Damage:

Damage appears to be approximately 2-3 feet wide, with exposed core and splintering at the hull deck joint. I didn't get a great look at it.

I have heard, though not verified, that a bulkhead was moved approximately 3 inches.

 

Rumors:

I have heard they performed a 720 below the starting line. Not verified.

I have heard they performed a 720 on the course side. Not verified.

I have heard they performed no 720. Not verified.

 

I can verify that they continued racing.

 

There was a significant shift on the first leg, and the race committee chose to abandon the race.

 

I know that a protest hearing was posted. I do not know what happened in the room. Popular supposition is that since the race was abandoned, it would have no detrimental effect on MB. While not verified, the results certainly lend support to that conclusion.

 

That is as objective as I can possibly be! B)

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Congratualations to Aunt Jean on a well sailed regatta. We hope that you come and play in 2011 at NCYC to defend your championship. We will make special stickers to affix to the bows of all boats so there is no confusion on which is port and which is starboard.

 

Did not see the Port/Starboard hit, so I will not comment on that.

 

Congrats to Fleet 7 / Mark M. for putting on a great NAC. Gibson Island is a very nice venue.

 

On the plus side, our skipper got some pointers on his "knitting".

 

Why did Rebel Yell not show up on the last day?

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<br />Exactly. Sailing's best kept secret! <br />WTF???<br /><br />And to follow up on MoreCowbell2...nothing signals a moribund class to me than a stale, completely useless Class website. <br />(this is from someone who has been away from the boats for a few years but has fond memories of the class as a crewmmber)<br /><br />You guys could find some high school kid in Severna Park or St. Clair Shores or Noank, with a modicum of skills in Dreamweaver, and pay her/him 50 bucks a month, out of the dues structure, to keep the site current. <br /><br />The fact that the class just had a NAC and there's nothing on the class site is ridiculous.<br />
<br /><br /><br />

 

Agreed. The visibility of the J35 class (and J boats in general) has really gone down since they were kind enough to put us on our own little "J" island.

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JB and his twin brother.

 

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which is which? seriously.. clones seperated at birth when someone dropped the petri dish on the lab floor?

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MM Just got hit and was dropping sails.Didn't understand Port in Detroit slang :)

 

Scott Free is the rental for Windependent after they dropped the rig.

 

 

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Sorry for the damage! Just to make MM feel better though this is from a head on collision with mine at the 97 Chicago NOODS! Don't worry! It buffed right out! :lol:

09-16-2010(2).pdf

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Hey.... anybody have an old school aluminum pole taking up space in a garage they'd like to sell ?

 

PM me with details...........

 

Thanks !

 

John

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Hey.... anybody have an old school aluminum pole taking up space in a garage they'd like to sell ?

 

PM me with details...........

 

Thanks !

 

John

You are six months too late, I sold mine to a friend with a Catalina 36.

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Great White.. #$$##@$&&^% I'm on Bainbridge and looking for one for a buddy with an Express 37...... You should do Round Bainbridge next weekend 25 & 26th... at least Sat, from Port Madison to Bremerton.........

 

Cheers

John

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JB and his twin brother.

Funny isn't it. They keep saying "Hi JB" at the bars to Gerbil....so we posted the pict :lol:

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which is which? seriously.. clones seperated at birth when someone dropped the petri dish on the lab floor?

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<br />JB and his twin brother.<br />Funny isn't it.  They keep saying "Hi JB" at the bars to Gerbil....so we posted the pict <img src='http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> <br />post-124-026322800 1284495380_thumb.jpg<br />
<br />which is which? seriously.. clones seperated at birth when someone dropped the petri dish on the lab floor?<br />
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Congrats on the victory Jim. Nice to see someone other than Mr. Bill with the trophy for a change. Hope to see you at NCYC next year.

 

Any news on why Rebel Yell didn't race on Sunday?

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Any news on why Rebel Yell didn't race on Sunday?

 

I have heard that they decided to start the trip back early. Between the fine weather Sunday, and a less than optimal series, they thought it was the right call.

 

Again, this is what I have heard, and it is not verified.

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Hah, that looks like us in the 2006 NAC. Think we hit 2 out of the first 3 marks. Tide was rippin.'

 

So, besides AJ, do you guys know who the First and Second Losers were? Or is that double secret, too?

Mr Bill and Maggie

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Share the secret..

 

Who the hell won the NA's? Results? Story?

I don't know if this is too late.....i have no clue how this posting thing works.... Aunt Jean 1st Mr Bill 2nd Maggie 3rd go to fleet 7 web page follow the links to gibson island yc

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<br />JB and his twin brother.<br />Funny isn't it.  They keep saying "Hi JB" at the bars to Gerbil....so we posted the pict <img src='http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> <br />post-124-026322800 1284495380_thumb.jpg<br />
<br />which is which? seriously.. clones seperated at birth when someone dropped the petri dish on the lab floor?<br />
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Congrats on the victory Jim. Nice to see someone other than Mr. Bill with the trophy for a change. Hope to see you at NCYC next year.

 

Any news on why Rebel Yell didn't race on Sunday?

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Just wanted to drop in an say hi. Has been awhile. I also wanted to show the new carbon wheel i added to my boat. i hope the picture is clear enough.

Is the wheel big enough to need a recess in the cockpit floor? Where did you get the pedestal? Looks like a bipod style? Very cool George!

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i designed the system so that no channel needed to be cut in the floor and if i want to go back to a tiller. just two bolts that hold down the pedestal is all that is needed to go back to a tiller.

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i designed the system so that no channel needed to be cut in the floor and if i want to go back to a tiller. just two bolts that hold down the pedestal is all that is needed to go back to a tiller.

 

Looks like a tub style cockpit that helps, no seats in the way.

 

Interesting system.

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Hey.... anybody have an old school aluminum pole taking up space in a garage they'd like to sell ?

 

PM me with details...........

 

Thanks !

 

John

 

lartaunt does. he may not admit it, but it's for sale. He want's a carbon one....

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Finally joined SA as registered user. I ve owned a 1988 J35 for 3 years now (Ho'okipa in honolulu). I had a ton of fun with her racing and cruising !

Now I m in the process of "rebuilding" her so she can cross to the south pacific (New Caledonia) and become my home and fast cruiser there.

The list is long, but I ve ticked a lot of items by now (redid the deck, reinforced the hull/keel stub, changed the rudder bearings, put new rods, head and backstay, new furler, chainplates, rewired the mast, got new sails, worked on the electrical, new electronics, water system ...)

I have a few items left that some of you may have some advice on :

-Dodger : I defenitely need one for the crossing, ideally a used one. If i cannot find a used, I can have it made, but if you have a design or some pictures of a "stock" J35 dodger, let me know !

-Wet cockpit seats: I m trying to find a way to keep the sitting area in the cockpit free of water running down from the deck. Coamings could be an option, but I m more leaning toward building some wooden seats, where water would run below. Any though on that ?

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