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got called out for work so missed the first couple of days but will be there from Monday now.

 

Forecast not looking as good as the weekend with the breeze forecast to die starting later today and down to 10-12 for sunday, 4-10 for monday.

 

Clean you having a moan already? you just got here so don't go and give the traveling american public a bad reputation he he he.... too late.

 

SA on tour, can't wait to see that

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you just got here so don't go and give the traveling american public a bad reputation he he he.... too late.

 

aw shit - busted

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Here's a better version of the video we put up. Internet issues have kept the wipeout vids from yesterday off the air, but they'll make it up soon I reckon.

 

Going down to the water in a few. No visibility, heavy, heavy fog/mist/dust/whatever the hell it is laying over everything, less than 5 knots here in town.

 

 

 

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Clean you having a moan already? you just got here so don't go and give the traveling american public a bad reputation he he he.... too late.

 

 

Eat me, dingo. I just love how you can confirm internet speeds a month in advance and find it is just straight-up lies when you arrive in town.

 

 

So far, Dubai and I have a love/hate relationship. Frankly it is far better than I expected, and a magical place in many ways. And then you try to get your Etisalat 3.5G system set up, spend 4 hours on the phone with some of the most polite and useless people ever created and finally, they tell you "you must call back after noon when our system is updated." Meanwhile, you can't actually walk into a physical store and have them sort out whatever mobile issues you have - you can BUY the SIM cards and whatever, but you have to make all changes via SMS with a system of numbers that would confuse the NSA. "So why do you have this advanced system of SMS-only account administration if it is going to take 14 hours to update?" I asked.

 

I didn't expect an answer, I guess.

 

Anyways, the good news is that the 3.5G system is about 3 times faster than any internet we have found here yet. The bad news is that I burned through 200$ worth of air time in 8 minutes because the system hadn't updated my plan yet. "Calling back after noon" though.

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AP is down and the boys are headed out in about .5 NM of visibility and maybe 5 knots. At least it is flat.

 

Mer and Felipe are out shooting, and tomorrow night's HD clip should be pretty sweet - the gear our Puerto Rican Director of Cinematography brought over is sick!

 

Very mellow here on the deck at the DOSC, good people, LOTS of SA fans, and relatively cheap beer. Nice one.

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I think Mer and Felipe just got yelled at for running the line. Good thing this ain't worlds yet!

 

Also a quick shout out to the RC and folks here at the DOSC, especially Jim the boat manager dude. THANKS for making this so pleasant and for running this thing so well. Good show so far.

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Do you guys see those videos above?

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Do you guys see those videos above?

Sure can, Alan. good job!

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Maybe you could make a video of downtown Dubai, should be some interesting stuff to see.

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(link deleted for hosting issues -clean)  Chris doing the "Boom of Doom"

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Heya shockload, that pic is password protected for me. Not sure the issue, but feel free to email it to me if you want me to attach to the thread.

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Yes videos are displayed. Do you have video's from todays races?

 

MM our pro Felipe shot today, but that video along with boat prep, slalom (tomorrow) and opening ceremony vid will be cut into an HD highlight reel that will be available for viewing by early Monday morning, before Worlds begins. I might try to stream the opening ceremony as well.

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Got a long interview with Chris and then a good one with JP Zeigert today, but they are going to take forever to upload so check back later for those and Mer's pics.

 

 

Tomorrow's Cocktail Hour will be about the future development of the Moth - parts, design, fantasy, reality, and technique. Panel is:

 

 

Arnaud Psarofaghis

George Peet

Dalton Bergan

Andrew McDougall

JP Ziegert

 

 

 

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IF I could explain the 28 hour saga that led to our FINALLY getting the internet we need, you wouldn't believe me.

 

Suffice to say, our little Internet For Boats setup with a Etisalat 3.5G card and about 600$ worth of bullshit is working about 15 times faster than the internet at the hotel or club. Hallefuckinglulah.

 

Slalom is tomorrow, interview will be up in the morning, and I understand that one of the RC boats has been commandeered by the powers that be for our OTWA broadcast starting Monday. Tomorrow we'll shoot some slalom action and then do our live Cocktail Hour, and then shoot some opening ceremony before coming back to the hotel to work.

 

Should be a hoot - especially if the wind gets up and blows this horrid dust out of the air.

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Should be a hoot - especially if the wind gets up and blows this horrid dust out of the air.

 

good luck with that - i predict five to seven days of dusty haze

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anyone else getting an error message on the "start 2nd race" video above? the other videos worked for me but not that one...

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Loved, loved, loved Mer's pictures. ESPECIALLY the one on the front page. Insane!!

 

Great video , my non-sailing friends are eating it up right meow

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The Marine Tech Moth Slalom starts today with CNN Mainsail, sailing anarchy, and a local TV station all here to record the action!! And of Course Thierry's amazing pictures!!

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The Marine Tech Moth Slalom starts today with CNN Mainsail, sailing anarchy, and a local TV station all here to record the action!! And of Course Thierry's amazing pictures!!

 

Looking forward to seeing it, have to set an alarm to ensure I escape work on time, are you taking spectators out today? if so make sure the boat is parked in the middle of the course to get some good media coverage :-)

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Just shared a coffee with Shirley Robertson, who will be learning to sail a moth from Bora today. Nice little blonde thing she is, and really one of a tiny number that's doing a decent job at the sailing media thing. Apparently she did a long interview with Phil Drummond, wing designer for BMW/Oracle that should be out soon.

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Hey Allan,

 

Now you have your internet access sorted, is there any chance of a rough "broadcast schedule" doesn't need to be that accurate, just ballpark would be great.

 

Thanks,

 

Bruce

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Hey Allan,

 

Now you have your internet access sorted, is there any chance of a rough "broadcast schedule" doesn't need to be that accurate, just ballpark would be great.

 

Thanks,

 

Bruce

 

No worries Bruce. Rough one is this:

 

Tonight is the first Cocktail Hour, 1800 local/1400 GMT

First HD highlight reel will be available by Monday morning

Monday-Wednesday live feed starts at 1300 local

Thursday layday is second Cocktail Hour.

 

More to come later.

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Chris Graham On Puma Moth Worlds Anarchy Presented by CST Composite

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Just a reminder that the cocktail hour starts today at 6pm gst on with

Dalton Bergan

Arnaud Psarofaghis

JP Ziegert

George "Bear" Peet

Andrew McDougall

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Clean you having a moan already? you just got here so don't go and give the traveling american public a bad reputation he he he.... too late.

 

 

Eat me, dingo. I just love how you can confirm internet speeds a month in advance and find it is just straight-up lies when you arrive in town.

 

 

So far, Dubai and I have a love/hate relationship. Frankly it is far better than I expected, and a magical place in many ways. And then you try to get your Etisalat 3.5G system set up, spend 4 hours on the phone with some of the most polite and useless people ever created and finally, they tell you "you must call back after noon when our system is updated." Meanwhile, you can't actually walk into a physical store and have them sort out whatever mobile issues you have - you can BUY the SIM cards and whatever, but you have to make all changes via SMS with a system of numbers that would confuse the NSA. "So why do you have this advanced system of SMS-only account administration if it is going to take 14 hours to update?" I asked.

 

I didn't expect an answer, I guess.

 

Anyways, the good news is that the 3.5G system is about 3 times faster than any internet we have found here yet. The bad news is that I burned through 200$ worth of air time in 8 minutes because the system hadn't updated my plan yet. "Calling back after noon" though.

 

welcome to dubai clean. enshalla bukra (maybe tomorrow) lucky it's not ramadan.

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actually enshalla means 'by god's will',in the arabic world.

......you're going muslim on us? :ph34r:

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Just shared a coffee with Shirley Robertson, who will be learning to sail a moth from Bora today. Nice little blonde thing she is, and really one of a tiny number that's doing a decent job at the sailing media thing. Apparently she did a long interview with Phil Drummond, wing designer for BMW/Oracle that should be out soon.

 

 

 

I love her stuff, and she's a great sailor!

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So Clean where is the "scuttlebutt" (ssssss!!!) on the slalom on SA??? I see the Tweet but nowt 'ere...

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More photos from yesterday and today...

 

Slideshow coming soon

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Great work OTWA team.

 

I'd guess I'm not the only one to see that Mer has improved her craft yet again. There is a lot more variety and even higher quality in the images you are capturing. The new forum format is really nice. Instant hi-res slide show! It's an awesome upgrade.

 

Would you allow a request from a dedicated OTWA fan? If there was a separate thread dedicated to identifying each sailor and their boat right off the bat, it will help a lot when watching the rest of the action this week.

 

You've already captured many of their mugs it seems. Now if you could somehow put names to the faces and their boats and hopefully some background about who they are, it will be a lot easier to identify them later on. Maybe there's a social media way to link in their Facebook profiles or blogs in the thread.

 

Please bear in mind that not all of your viewers are mothie insiders. Hopefully there will be lots of newcomers to the show.

 

One final request: do you have the equivalent of a Peelman who can organize links and create sticky-worthy summaries about what's happening, when to tune in, links to video archives etc.? Y'all are too busy - maybe there's a mothie who's stuck at their computer and can pull stuff together for SA.

 

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Great shots Mer! Kick some arse Bora and sail it like you stole it.

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inshallah

 

this has been described to have the same meaning as manana - without the urgency

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inshallah

 

this has been described to have the same meaning as manana - without the urgency

 

......from wikipedia

For other uses, see Inshallah (disambiguation).

 

In šāʾ Allāh (إن شاء الله) is an Arabic term to indicate hope for an aforementioned event to occur in the future. The phrase translates into English as "God willing" or "If it is God's will", sometimes spoken as DV; the Latin abbreviation for Deo volente or simply "hopefully". In Arabic speaking countries the term is used by members of all religions; meaning the term in and of itself does not denote a religion, but simply means "God willing."

 

The term is also related to another Arabic term, Mā šāʾ Allāh (ما شاء الله), which means "God has willed it".

 

This word is often used to indicate a desire to do something that you wish may occur, or to indicate that you want God's blessing for what you are about to do. For example, if one wishes to do something that is very difficult to achieve, one invokes God's blessing before one sets out to do it. For Muslims, it is used in speech about plans and of events that they expect to occur in the future. This usage of Insha'Allah is from Islamic scripture, Surat Al Kahf (18):24: "And never say of anything, 'I shall do such and such thing tomorrow. Except (with the saying): 'If God wills!' And remember your Lord when you forget...'"

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......from wikipedia

For other uses, see Inshallah (disambiguation).

 

 

...............

 

shukran

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......from wikipedia

For other uses, see Inshallah (disambiguation)................

 

shukran

 

......and now back to our regularly scheduled program........ :huh:

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Here's one thing I've always wondered...

 

Why do the guys wear pajamas all day every day, and what's the deal with the headgear?

 

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Here's one thing I've always wondered...

 

Why do the guys wear pajamas all day every day, and what's the deal with the headgear?

 

.......and black robes in the hot sun! :ph34r:

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actually enshalla means 'by god's will',in the arabic world.

......you're going muslim on us? :ph34r:

 

exactly, "by gods will" translates to "maybe" or in ramadan it's meaning is actually "No, not, can't, won't"

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actually enshalla means 'by god's will',in the arabic world.

......you're going muslim on us? :ph34r:

 

exactly, "by gods will" translates to "maybe" or in ramadan it's meaning is actually "No, not, can't, won't"

 

All I know is when you hear "Inshala Buhkra" you know your in deep sh1t... what ever your asking for just isnt going to hapen any time soon.....

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My favourite inshalla story:

 

Me: Hi Pizza Hut, I'd like a Pizza for delivery.

 

Pizza Hut guy: Okay (takes order etc)

 

Me: How long will it take?

 

Pizza Hut Guy: 45 Minutes Inshalla...

 

Me: Don't you fucking inshallah me. This is fucking Pizza Hut...

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Thanks for the great coverage, OTWA crew! Now that I've seen Mer's pictures of the Moths and DOSC, I want to get out to Dubai even more. Hope I can figure out a work trip sometime this year.

 

Today should bring more good racing, inshah'Allah. :lol:

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hey guys

 

just wanted to say cheers for the great coverage- really enjoyed watching a couple of races, and the interviews are sweet too. maybe you will need foiling RIBs in the future to fix the wash problem! hows that for a seductive idea hey! foiling 'puma' ribs maybe? anyway keep it up, look forward to the next few days.

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Great coverage, looks like a great event. Wish i was there to watch..

 

Go the local boys, c'arn Chris, Marcel and Glenn.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ps. I miss DOSC

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Great coverage, looks like a great event. Wish i was there to watch..

 

Go the local boys, c'arn Chris, Marcel and Glenn.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ps. I miss DOSC

 

We miss you too :-) well I'm sure the guys on Twister do, hope all is well in OZ

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cheers Skint. Glwyn is in sydney today hoping to catch up for a few.

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Any truth to the rumors that the 2012 worlds are at Garda?

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Any truth to the rumors that the 2012 worlds are at Garda?

 

"The 2012 Moth Worlds will be held in Campione on Lake Garda after the Olympics in August." ... babinator.com

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Campione on Lake Garda

 

huh - tiny town on the west side about 15 km down from the top

 

gonna be lighter than Riva and Torbole?

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yep lighter than right at the end. Although it is really awesome sailing at Torbole it is probably better for the fleet to be at Campione, at Torbole it is survival a lot of the time for most.

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Last time I sailed at Campione, we got caught out in 40 knots (its not normally like that :lol: )

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Great coverage, looks like a great event. Wish i was there to watch..

 

Go the local boys, c'arn Chris, Marcel and Glenn.

 

 

 

 

Maybe it's only me ........but I am deeply underwhelmed by the coverage. Sorry but gotta call it as I see and hear it.On the water video is super amateur , shakey , often pointing at someone's foot , no coverage worth watching the minute that the boats leave the starting line , frequent stating of the very obvious "oh he's foiling ..... etc" . Interviews where the interviewers talk over each other ,don't check their sound levels, a total lack of any direction, no questions of any bite.

Maybe the Skiffs in Sydney have a big budget or something but their coverage of the JJ Giltinan last month was so much better.

I applaud the effort of SA being there , but please set your sights way higher. Not that interested in how "hard" everyone is working or how late the SA team go to bed or how many vodkas they drink. If you want to engage a decent audience it's got to be sharper , smarter , not just a stream of disorganised conscience. Not a holiday home video.

Take it on the chin , don't believe the sycophants , get your act together. Please.

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Mmaybe it's only me ........but I am deeply underwhelmed by the coverage. Sorry but gotta call it as I see and hear it.On the water video is super amateur , shakey , often pointing at someone's foot , no coverage worth watching the minute that the boats leave the starting line , frequent stating of the very obvious "oh he's foiling ..... etc" . Interviews where the interviewers talk over each other ,don't check their sound levels, a total lack of any direction, no questions of any bite.

Maybe the Skiffs in Sydney have a big budget or something but their coverage of the JJ Giltinan last month was so much better.

I applaud the effort of SA being there , but please set your sights way higher. Not that interested in how "hard" everyone is working or how late the SA team go to bed or how many vodkas they drink. If you want to engage a decent audience it's got to be sharper , smarter , not just a stream of disorganised conscience. Not a holiday home video.

Take it on the chin , don't believe the sycophants , get your act together. Please.

.....totally agree with you-methinks we've been spoilt with the skifftv guys and recent (official)AC coverage.Correct me if I'm wrong,but there seems to be visibility issues with the haze,,,and it's clear that other than sometimes getting in the way when the laylines 'shift',,these guys are being VERY careful about their wake--VERY different than the tearing around that skifftv get to do......so whaterweleftwith?? <_< .......betterthannuthin!

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Ok the race coverage is very Gonzo!! My comment about the great coverage was in respect to the collective coverage, pics, back stories, results and interviews.

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.....totally agree with you-methinks we've been spoilt with the skifftv guys and recent (official)AC coverage.Correct me if I'm wrong,but there seems to be visibility issues with the haze,,,and it's clear that other than sometimes getting in the way when the laylines 'shift',,these guys are being VERY careful about their wake--VERY different than the tearing around that skifftv get to do......so whaterweleftwith?? <_< .......betterthannuthin!

 

As explained in one of the videos, in light conditions the horizontal foils are only 150mm or so under the water. Even a small boat wash on top of a small chop will cause them to cavitate and bring the boat off its foils - not a good look during a world championship. A fix would be to have two camera boats, one near the bottom and one at the top of the course so there was no need to travel the course and create a wake. Even if the boat at the top just called positions as the boats came around it would be better than the hap-hazard commentary we get at the moment.

 

There is no comparison with the coverage of the 18s on Sydney Harbour, there the camera boat wake would have been lost amongst the general chop of the harbour, particularly as many of the races were in 15~20kn. Also, 18' skiffs are far less affected by chop than a foiler in light air, but even they will avoid tacking or gybing in a wake if they can.

 

The haze is a real issue but that's the Gulf states.

 

The overall quality of race coverage is pretty average, the on shore interview are better but why interview the only Assassin driver and leave his boat under cover?

 

--

Rob

 

 

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.....totally agree with you-methinks we've been spoilt with the skifftv guys and recent (official)AC coverage.Correct me if I'm wrong,but there seems to be visibility issues with the haze,,,and it's clear that other than sometimes getting in the way when the laylines 'shift',,these guys are being VERY careful about their wake--VERY different than the tearing around that skifftv get to do......so whaterweleftwith?? dry.gif .......betterthannuthin!

 

Skifftv guys also have a specialised boat to do their shooting in, with a little central tower for the camera man to sit in that allows him to be more stable and get uninterupted shots.

 

The shots Mer is getting on her still SLR camera are quite good, I wonder how video on something like a Canon 5d mk II would look through a similar lense to what she is using (or if it would just end up bouncing all over the place).

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.....totally agree with you-methinks we've been spoilt with the skifftv guys and recent (official)AC coverage.Correct me if I'm wrong,but there seems to be visibility issues with the haze,,,and it's clear that other than sometimes getting in the way when the laylines 'shift',,these guys are being VERY careful about their wake--VERY different than the tearing around that skifftv get to do......so whaterweleftwith?? dry.gif .......betterthannuthin!

 

Skifftv guys also have a specialised boat to do their shooting in, with a little central tower for the camera man to sit in that allows him to be more stable and get uninterupted shots.

 

The shots Mer is getting on her still SLR camera are quite good, I wonder how video on something like a Canon 5d mk II would look through a similar lense to what she is using (or if it would just end up bouncing all over the place).

 

Mer is shooting 50D through:

 

70-200 f2.8 IS L

300 f4 IS L

10-22 f3.5-4.5

24-70 2.8 L

 

Her birthday is in 4 days, but the 5d will have to wait as I am getting her a new macbook pro 15" with anti-glare screen. Prioirities...

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.....totally agree with you-methinks we've been spoilt with the skifftv guys and recent (official)AC coverage.Correct me if I'm wrong,but there seems to be visibility issues with the haze,,,and it's clear that other than sometimes getting in the way when the laylines 'shift',,these guys are being VERY careful about their wake--VERY different than the tearing around that skifftv get to do......so whaterweleftwith?? dry.gif .......betterthannuthin!

 

Skifftv guys also have a specialised boat to do their shooting in, with a little central tower for the camera man to sit in that allows him to be more stable and get uninterupted shots.

 

The shots Mer is getting on her still SLR camera are quite good, I wonder how video on something like a Canon 5d mk II would look through a similar lense to what she is using (or if it would just end up bouncing all over the place).

 

 

There are stacks of reasons why the 18s are easier to cover. As well as the things above about the specialised camera boat the skiffs are much bigger & easier to identify from a distance - when you see a red spinnaker with a massive "7" on it next to a green one with a massive "Rag" it is not hard to work out which is which. Compare that to 5 black moths with one clear sail. Also the 18s are covered in their racing every week so everyone knows what to expect and the culture is that it is expected that there will be a camera boat, photog boats & spectator ferries on the course - without those we will not have sponsors and not get to race awesome boats for essentially no cost every week. That is different to someone who has spent a lot of their own money on the latest moth plus travel etc to compete in the Moth Worlds. I think for belmont if we can get hold of the Camera Cat it will help a lot. Also maybe something to help identify the leaders - eg big yellow dot for o'all leader.

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There are stacks of reasons why the 18s are easier to cover. As well as the things above about the specialised camera boat the skiffs are much bigger & easier to identify from a distance - when you see a red spinnaker with a massive "7" on it next to a green one with a massive "Rag" it is not hard to work out which is which. Compare that to 5 black moths with one clear sail. Also the 18s are covered in their racing every week so everyone knows what to expect and the culture is that it is expected that there will be a camera boat, photog boats & spectator ferries on the course - without those we will not have sponsors and not get to race awesome boats for essentially no cost every week. That is different to someone who has spent a lot of their own money on the latest moth plus travel etc to compete in the Moth Worlds. I think for belmont if we can get hold of the Camera Cat it will help a lot. Also maybe something to help identify the leaders - eg big yellow dot for o'all leader.

 

So how is the Skiff coverage funded? The camera work looks pretty professional and the commentators seem to know what they are talking about - most of the time. Are they professional tv people?

It's so much better than the SA coverage and would be good to know why/how.

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There are stacks of reasons why the 18s are easier to cover. As well as the things above about the specialised camera boat the skiffs are much bigger & easier to identify from a distance - when you see a red spinnaker with a massive "7" on it next to a green one with a massive "Rag" it is not hard to work out which is which. Compare that to 5 black moths with one clear sail. Also the 18s are covered in their racing every week so everyone knows what to expect and the culture is that it is expected that there will be a camera boat, photog boats & spectator ferries on the course - without those we will not have sponsors and not get to race awesome boats for essentially no cost every week. That is different to someone who has spent a lot of their own money on the latest moth plus travel etc to compete in the Moth Worlds. I think for belmont if we can get hold of the Camera Cat it will help a lot. Also maybe something to help identify the leaders - eg big yellow dot for o'all leader.

 

So how is the Skiff coverage funded? The camera work looks pretty professional and the commentators seem to know what they are talking about - most of the time. Are they professional tv people?

It's so much better than the SA coverage and would be good to know why/how.

 

it is funded by the 18s club but the camera cat is supplied free which helps a lot. No they are definately not pro tv people. There are three on the boat - a guy who does the filming - he also does a little editing before putting it up although it is basically just all done live. There are 2 others on the boat, Killo who is the Aussie voice commentating & also driving the boat plus Mark (english accent) commentating. I think they work well together and betweeen them have a good knowledge of the fleet, the sailors, the courses, the class and sailing in general.

It is easy to think of ways to make the SA coverage better (eg have another boat at the top mark) but if you have to make it better within the constraints of doing it in Dubai, short term & to a budget then suddenly it is not so clear.. what we are getting is a lot, lot better than nothing & I have enjoyed watching it.

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Her birthday is in 4 days, but the 5d will have to wait as I am getting her a new macbook pro 15" with anti-glare screen. Prioirities...

 

What a great birthday present for your sexy woman....

 

Enoying the coverage very much. Especially today with the great finishes and hoping for Amac to fight back. If just the camera would not move all over the place most of the time. I know it is difficult, I know but maybe your good cameraman can train himself more to follow boats or packs of boats as long as possible for him, instead of jumping forth and back and from left to right and back, Sailing is a sport where things are developing only slowly. Give it a try maybe one day and see what the folks are saying.

 

Anyway, appreciate the ever developing OTWA very much and want to thank all folks who are doing it. Who are responsible and who are sponsoring it. THANKS.

 

Manfred

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I agree with Manfred's Post, instead of straight away jumping to getting the top 10 mark roundings called out again, could you focuss longer on the boats finishing/rounding the marks. So we can see how people are doing in the rest of the fleet(10-25th) and see how the battles, junior and woman fleet, develop. Otherwise really good coverage today, especially the first start.

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it is funded by the 18s club but the camera cat is supplied free which helps a lot. No they are definately not pro tv people. There are three on the boat - a guy who does the filming - he also does a little editing before putting it up although it is basically just all done live. There are 2 others on the boat, Killo who is the Aussie voice commentating & also driving the boat plus Mark (english accent) commentating. I think they work well together and betweeen them have a good knowledge of the fleet, the sailors, the courses, the class and sailing in general.

It is easy to think of ways to make the SA coverage better (eg have another boat at the top mark) but if you have to make it better within the constraints of doing it in Dubai, short term & to a budget then suddenly it is not so clear.. what we are getting is a lot, lot better than nothing & I have enjoyed watching it.

 

You understand it exactly John, so thanks. Live is completely different than anything else, and the things that make the biggest impact on the quality of the coverage (besides cash) are 1) boat and 2) bandwidth. We would love to have another boat at the mark and two or three cams with transmitter packs on the race boats, but that's not happening for this one. For Belmont, I expect it will, plus our main stream will come off the deck of the club I suspect with a great big zoom lens and free beer all day.

 

I agree with Manfred's Post, instead of straight away jumping to getting the top 10 mark roundings called out again, could you focuss longer on the boats finishing/rounding the marks. So we can see how people are doing in the rest of the fleet(10-25th) and see how the battles, junior and woman fleet, develop. Otherwise really good coverage today, especially the first start.

 

Thanks mate, will pass along your suggestions.

 

btw your mom is pretty cool.

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Seems Cleans team needs to get up to Kilo's standards.................gotta love the 18ft skiff for innovation

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I'd just like to chip in and say the anarchy team are rocking it, its gonzo all the way baby!

 

some bits on the boat remind me of the Mint 400 Motorbike race in Fear and Loathing... when he's wandering round in the desert trying not to get sand in his beer because of the dust storms...

''the race was definately under way, i'd witnessed the start, i was sure of that much, but what comes now?"

"In some circles, the Dubai Moth Worlds is a far far better thing than the Superbowl, the Kentucky Derby, and the lower Oakland roller derby finals all rolled into one. This race attracts a very special breed"

 

 

 

 

Raoul Duke

 

 

 

 

Keep up the good work chaps

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