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I did but no response.

 

 

 

Send again, or check your email.

 

The boats are owned by Oracle Racing, used as trainers for the AC 45s. They are loaded with stern chocks, board/ rudder covers, and a few extras. I don't want to crate them, so you'll save a bundle by picking them up here in Santa Cruz.

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I spent some thoughts and googleing on "How many of the F20C's might be out there already after two years?"

Came to that thought when i was watching some vids and pics in the internet.

The highest sail-no. i have found is from the winner Boat of texel 2011 (skipper M. Booth). That's No.56. Feel invited to post your sail-/hull-no. and mmyyyy of purchase.

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Go big boys and girls!

 

Carbon 20s

 

ORACLE RACING Inc. offers to sell 2 x Carbon NACRA 20' fully equipped including "race package" upgrade.

 

Includes:

Carbon rig

Carbon appendages including curved boards

Close to new set of sails including heavy air gennaker

Beach dolly

Cover

 

Asking prize: US$ 24,000 PER BOAT - PRICE TO BE DISCUSSED.

THERE ARE 2 BOATS FOR SALE - Attractive discount for two boat purchase.

Boat has sailed less than 20 days and looks and feel brand new.

Visible at Sequoia Yacht Club, Redwood City, California.

 

To be picked up in Redwood City, we can not ship. Boats are complete, built and in sail-able condition. Launch and go!

 

Jeremy@surfcitycatamarans.com

 

Pics soon.

 

 

I also have a blank carbon extrusion for a N20. Price TBD. Stand by.

 

The ad's down. Still have the boats.

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not that i'm in the market

 

but does "blank carbon extrusion"

 

mean un-drilled mast?

 

not sure anything made of carbon fiber can be classified correctly as an extrusion, which means forced out of a die....

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I want sooo bad.

 

I need to change up the ride. Its getting stale.

 

It's already turned 1/2 yellow.

 

 

3 years ago when work was still plentiful, I would have been on this like Trey on a dessert bar.

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I want sooo bad.

 

I need to change up the ride. Its getting stale.

 

It's already turned 1/2 yellow.

 

 

3 years ago when work was still plentiful, I would have been on this like Trey on a dessert bar.

 

I'm currently in number-crunching mode - however I just brought it up to the Chief Administrator of the War Dept. and she went into full battle station mode.

 

*Sigh*

 

Will Oracle trade a wife with a medical degree for one? :P

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I'm currently in number-crunching mode - however I just brought it up to the Chief Administrator of the War Dept. and she went into full battle station mode.

 

 

 

Crunch on! At 24gs its a freaking steal! They come with boat covers, board/blade covers, stern chocks and I've even got beach wheels for a additional $300.

 

In addition, I've got spare boards and rudders that will be sold separately. Above it says that the price negotiable if you buy 2 boats, it's not. They're $24,000 each+ tax if you're in CA.

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I want sooo bad.

 

I need to change up the ride. Its getting stale.

 

It's already turned 1/2 yellow.

 

 

3 years ago when work was still plentiful, I would have been on this like Trey on a dessert bar.

 

I'm currently in number-crunching mode - however I just brought it up to the Chief Administrator of the War Dept. and she went into full battle station mode.

 

*Sigh*

 

Will Oracle trade a wife with a medical degree for one? :P

Not really a problem. Just let her know that it's either the C20 or your new hobby is chasing other women and drinking heavily with some guys you just meet down at the biker bar.

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I want sooo bad.

 

I need to change up the ride. Its getting stale.

 

It's already turned 1/2 yellow.

 

 

3 years ago when work was still plentiful, I would have been on this like Trey on a dessert bar.

 

I'm currently in number-crunching mode - however I just brought it up to the Chief Administrator of the War Dept. and she went into full battle station mode.

 

*Sigh*

 

Will Oracle trade a wife with a medical degree for one? :P

Not really a problem. Just let her know that it's either the C20 or your new hobby is chasing other women and drinking heavily with some guys you just meet down at the biker bar.

 

 

Tried that didn't work and we got the Hell's Angels in our town...

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and is that an aluminum pole? I thought this thing was gucci?

 

 

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and is that an aluminum pole? I thought this thing was gucci?

 

 

wink.gif

 

The Carbon poles were snapped. These are quality aftermarket Aluminum.

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I was going to until I saw the uncovered snuffer- it's clearly UV damaged.

 

The Hobie mafia'd probably lynch you by the nuggets anyway. :P

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and is that an aluminum pole? I thought this thing was gucci?

 

 

wink.gif

 

Apparently, sailing SF Bay in 25 knots is a bit different on a C20 than an AC45. :D

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Jeremy,

 

How many of these are there in the states now.... is the fleet growing?

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I would really like to buy one or both of these, however, just the price on one of them is almost what I sold a big offshore cat for. Way over the top and too expensive for this one multihull sailor living in the one economically depressed state in the country.

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I would really like to buy one or both of these, however, just the price on one of them is almost what I sold a big offshore cat for. Way over the top and too expensive for this one multihull sailor living in the one economically depressed state in the country.

Wait a minute...you sold a big offshore cat for ~$25?

 

$25K may be too much for many budgets, but IMHO an all carbon 20' racing cat of this quality is well worth the price. You can't buy a new F-18 or A-cat for $25K these days.

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I would really like to buy one or both of these, however, just the price on one of them is almost what I sold a big offshore cat for. Way over the top and too expensive for this one multihull sailor living in the one economically depressed state in the country.

Wait a minute...you sold a big offshore cat for ~$25?

 

$25K may be too much for many budgets, but IMHO an all carbon 20' racing cat of this quality is well worth the price. You can't buy a new F-18 or A-cat for $25K these days.

 

Right on! I did do that. Give or take a few Gs here or there, but in that range...sort of. Anyhow, I know these two are incredibly awesome deals, and as much as I want to make it happen, it just wont. Really really nice pieces of machinery though. Whoever ends up with them are going to be very fortunate and happy campers.

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The price is the problem with this boat catching on - stateside at least.

 

There are two camps of cat sailors, the "beach cat" sailors that treat their boats as iterations on the Hobie 16. We go up and down the beach and love our rides for it. Then there are the "dinghy" sailors that come from the "we can't pull our boats on the beach, that will scratch the bottoms!" (Not that there's anything wrong with that but its just a different mentality)

 

The boat fits in perfectly with the beachcat type racing culture but is priced up in the area where its simply not obtainable. Like I said previously in this thread - when the boat is more expensive (even used!!) than the brand new SUV that is pulling it down the road, then there's a disconnect with reality on behalf of the manufacturers.

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The price is the problem with this boat catching on - stateside at least.

 

There are two camps of cat sailors, the "beach cat" sailors that treat their boats as iterations on the Hobie 16. We go up and down the beach and love our rides for it. Then there are the "dinghy" sailors that come from the "we can't pull our boats on the beach, that will scratch the bottoms!" (Not that there's anything wrong with that but its just a different mentality)

 

The boat fits in perfectly with the beachcat type racing culture but is priced up in the area where its simply not obtainable. Like I said previously in this thread - when the boat is more expensive (even used!!) than the brand new SUV that is pulling it down the road, then there's a disconnect with reality on behalf of the manufacturers.

You live in a very fortunate country indeed if you can buy a brand new SUV for $24k. Where I live a new Hilux twin cab is about $60k.

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The price is the problem with this boat catching on - stateside at least.

 

There are two camps of cat sailors, the "beach cat" sailors that treat their boats as iterations on the Hobie 16. We go up and down the beach and love our rides for it. Then there are the "dinghy" sailors that come from the "we can't pull our boats on the beach, that will scratch the bottoms!" (Not that there's anything wrong with that but its just a different mentality)

 

The boat fits in perfectly with the beachcat type racing culture but is priced up in the area where its simply not obtainable. Like I said previously in this thread - when the boat is more expensive (even used!!) than the brand new SUV that is pulling it down the road, then there's a disconnect with reality on behalf of the manufacturers.

I don't agree that the price is unobtainable. Have you priced out a Tornado? How about a "sport boat"? Hi Tech sailing isn't for the unwashed masses..

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The price is the problem with this boat catching on - stateside at least.

 

There are two camps of cat sailors, the "beach cat" sailors that treat their boats as iterations on the Hobie 16. We go up and down the beach and love our rides for it. Then there are the "dinghy" sailors that come from the "we can't pull our boats on the beach, that will scratch the bottoms!" (Not that there's anything wrong with that but its just a different mentality)

 

The boat fits in perfectly with the beachcat type racing culture but is priced up in the area where its simply not obtainable. Like I said previously in this thread - when the boat is more expensive (even used!!) than the brand new SUV that is pulling it down the road, then there's a disconnect with reality on behalf of the manufacturers.

I don't agree that the price is unobtainable. Have you priced out a Tornado? How about a "sport boat"? Hi Tech sailing isn't for the unwashed masses..

 

I agree, the price is not unreasonable or out of line with other race boats. But it is still expensive.

Consider the recent front page article on Rondar they will be building 505s in the US for this kind of cash as well.. Both boats require athletic crews willing to go swimming. A cats can come in for 25 K or more when imported. Melges is marketing their keel boat 20, and Rondar will be building the K6's here at twice the money. So... some people feel that the $$$ for fun trade is worth it.

 

At some point you have to ask... what's the problem?... A cats have at least 6 new boats entering the fleet this year proving that some boats hit the mark in the $$$ for fun factor.

 

Obviously events where you run the boat up to the beach and/or hobie 16 style regattas just don't get the juices going for these potential racers.

 

I think you have to have races that the owners want to do... AND you have to have a critical mass of boats to make fleet and equally import you need good competition within the fleet so that the sailors respect each other making it worth the money.

 

IMO, the Nacra 20 class prospered because it was the first SMOD spin boat on the US market and the signature race was the two week long Worell 1000. Prior to the N20 era... the Tornado class was dropping like a stone as Olympic pressure dialed up.

 

Bottom line... the 20 foot racing scene involves many more puzzle pieces then the price of the boat.

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post-9613-056442900 1329182056_thumb.jpg.

 

The price is basiclly in touch with other boats its size. What price do you consider a fair price? What do you think you should be paying? Have you priced out an I14 or a new 505...even a Laser is not cheap.

 

If a cheap 20 footer is what you are looking for there are used \tornados out there for under 10K and some day the F20 C will be cheaper as well.

 

I don't feel any new boat will sell well in this economy lots of folks just don't have cash to spend, that will change in time. (soon I hope)

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Plenty of N20's out there for well under 10K. The price of these 2 particular F20c's is excellent. If I wasn't looking at big boats right now, and if I sailed in an area where my boards wouldn't hit bottom every time the boat left the beach, I would make it happen. As is the F18 is more appealing from a racing standpoint.

 

Hopefully these boats migrate to SF and grow the fleet from 4 to 6?

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Plenty of N20's out there for well under 10K. The price of these 2 particular F20c's is excellent. If I wasn't looking at big boats right now, and if I sailed in an area where my boards wouldn't hit bottom every time the boat left the beach, I would make it happen. As is the F18 is more appealing from a racing standpoint.

 

Hopefully these boats migrate to SF and grow the fleet from 4 to 6?

I agree Sam. C20s for this cost, and in this shape, are unheard of.

 

There are several people in SF that are interested. SF will be an interesting place to watch a fleet of C20s grow.

I'll be at OR tomorrow assessing all of their spare parts. For other reasons, it's going to be a big day in SF for Oracle Racing tomorrow...

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Snapped a few pics of the spins yesterday. They're in great shape, typical of a spi that has been hoisted a couple of times.

 

2011-B2B-5-XL.jpg

 

Here's a pic of the aftermarket, high wind spi that I'll be selling separately after I sell the boats.

 

2011-B2B-2-XL.jpg

 

2011-B2B-6-XL.jpg

 

2011-B2B-1-XL.jpg

 

2011-B2B-3-XL.jpg

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You might want to check the numbers on the foils as the first ones don't have the double stringers and break.

 

Snapped a few pics of the spins yesterday. They're in great shape, typical of a spi that has been hoisted a couple of times.

 

2011-B2B-5-XL.jpg

 

Here's a pic of the aftermarket, high wind spi that I'll be selling separately after I sell the boats.

 

2011-B2B-2-XL.jpg

 

2011-B2B-6-XL.jpg

 

2011-B2B-1-XL.jpg

 

2011-B2B-3-XL.jpg

 

 

 

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When you look at the rash of 30 - 40 foot racing cats that are coming onto the Market that are pretty much big beach cats - the c20 looks good value

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is the f20c

 

now called the c20?

 

my head hurts?

Inter 20

Nacra 20

Nacra C20

 

I think the C20 is short hand and just distinguishes the boat from the M20.

 

There was an evolutionary dead end of a Nacra F20 where in the EU, the rig was downsized to fit the formula...Failed... then a US rump group formed to make the Nacra 20 an ersatz formula and then this died. there is no Nacra f20C.... Nacra made the new boat as a SMOD... (now, how you use the boat is your business). Marstrom made the M20 as a SMOD boat as well... but that did not work out so well either.

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is the f20c

 

now called the c20?

 

my head hurts?

Inter 20

Nacra 20

Nacra C20

 

I think the C20 is short hand and just distinguishes the boat from the M20.

 

There was an evolutionary dead end of a Nacra F20 where in the EU, the rig was downsized to fit the formula...Failed... then a US rump group formed to make the Nacra 20 an ersatz formula and then this died. there is no Nacra f20C.... Nacra made the new boat as a SMOD... (now, how you use the boat is your business). Marstrom made the M20 as a SMOD boat as well... but that did not work out so well either.

 

The nominally named C20 (a SMOD) is in fact called the Nacra F20 Carbon by Nacra.

See:

http://www.nacrasail...arbon&Itemid=27

 

But does not comply with the original F20 box rule!

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is the f20c

 

now called the c20?

 

my head hurts?

Inter 20

Nacra 20

Nacra C20

 

I think the C20 is short hand and just distinguishes the boat from the M20.

 

There was an evolutionary dead end of a Nacra F20 where in the EU, the rig was downsized to fit the formula...Failed... then a US rump group formed to make the Nacra 20 an ersatz formula and then this died. there is no Nacra f20C.... Nacra made the new boat as a SMOD... (now, how you use the boat is your business). Marstrom made the M20 as a SMOD boat as well... but that did not work out so well either.

 

The nominally named C20 (a SMOD) is in fact called the Nacra F20 Carbon by Nacra.

See:

http://www.nacrasail...arbon&Itemid=27

 

But does not comply with the original F20 box rule!

 

Why does Nacra continually try to co opt the term Formula... or F....They renamed their Nacra 17 to the F17... supposedly to show they used two size spins..... that was a stretch of the popular concept of Formula as defined by the F18 Box rule and adapted by the F16 box rule.

 

What is the fig leaf that they use to justify the use of the F in the name Nacra F20 Carbon?

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is the f20c

 

now called the c20?

 

my head hurts?

Inter 20

Nacra 20

Nacra C20

 

I think the C20 is short hand and just distinguishes the boat from the M20.

 

There was an evolutionary dead end of a Nacra F20 where in the EU, the rig was downsized to fit the formula...Failed... then a US rump group formed to make the Nacra 20 an ersatz formula and then this died. there is no Nacra f20C.... Nacra made the new boat as a SMOD... (now, how you use the boat is your business). Marstrom made the M20 as a SMOD boat as well... but that did not work out so well either.

 

You're about 92% wrong. Nacra 20/Inter 20 the same boat. F20C is the Formula 20 Carbon, but due to people calling it a Nacra 20 (which it's not) some just call it the 20 carbon.

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Question for the Carbon 20 owners: the 20 I was sailing on today in Singapore is missing the cap on the inner end of the spin pole that slots into the pin on the front beam. I'm thinking about 3D printing one for tomorrow, but don't have the dimensions. Does anyone know the outer diameter and wall thickness of the spin pole tube, as well as the diameter of the hole in the middle of that plug? Thanks!

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Question for the Carbon 20 owners: the 20 I was sailing on today in Singapore is missing the cap on the inner end of the spin pole that slots into the pin on the front beam. I'm thinking about 3D printing one for tomorrow, but don't have the dimensions. Does anyone know the outer diameter and wall thickness of the spin pole tube, as well as the diameter of the hole in the middle of that plug? Thanks!

 

Should be 1 1/2", 0.065 wall

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I have a similar problem on my infusion (I damaged the thread. What is the best way to solve this: helicoil or complete thread inserts? In case the latter is the best solution: is Nacra using metric threads? What are the sizes of the bolts? (as my boat is in winter storage and don't have access.

 

Thanks

Turns out the beam bolts are threaded into G10, which normally is a pretty good material for the application.

 

Considering the extreme use my boat is going to see, I plan on installing helicoil inserts all the way around...

 

-Mike

 

Could you tell us more what G10 is? I do think adding a helicoil in every hole will substantially increase the holding power of them.

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The price is the problem with this boat catching on - stateside at least.

 

There are two camps of cat sailors, the "beach cat" sailors that treat their boats as iterations on the Hobie 16. We go up and down the beach and love our rides for it. Then there are the "dinghy" sailors that come from the "we can't pull our boats on the beach, that will scratch the bottoms!" (Not that there's anything wrong with that but its just a different mentality)

 

The boat fits in perfectly with the beachcat type racing culture but is priced up in the area where its simply not obtainable. Like I said previously in this thread - when the boat is more expensive (even used!!) than the brand new SUV that is pulling it down the road, then there's a disconnect with reality on behalf of the manufacturers.

 

You need to change your name to "Manly Corpus" that's the best onliner you've ever come up with. I'm still chuckling and jealous I didn't come up with it.

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The price is the problem with this boat catching on - stateside at least.

 

There are two camps of cat sailors, the "beach cat" sailors that treat their boats as iterations on the Hobie 16. We go up and down the beach and love our rides for it. Then there are the "dinghy" sailors that come from the "we can't pull our boats on the beach, that will scratch the bottoms!" (Not that there's anything wrong with that but its just a different mentality)

 

The boat fits in perfectly with the beachcat type racing culture but is priced up in the area where its simply not obtainable. Like I said previously in this thread - when the boat is more expensive (even used!!) than the brand new SUV that is pulling it down the road, then there's a disconnect with reality on behalf of the manufacturers.

 

I think there is a disconnect between cat sailing in Europe and in North America.

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ORACLE says to lower the price to $22.

 

Really? Shit.

 

If anyone wants a seriously nice big-ass trailerable tri - let me know so I can get the wife a trawler, and me one of these rockets.

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what does that mean? can I buy one for $22k??????

ORACLE says to lower the price to $22.

 

Really? Shit.

 

If anyone wants a seriously nice big-ass trailerable tri - let me know so I can get the wife a trawler, and me one of these rockets.

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What does that mean??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????Oracle is selling theirs?

to $22.

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Yes, they have 2 F20C trainers they used, and looks to me the price is now $22k

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Whomever ends up with these will be very fortunate indeed. What a "Nice Pair!" tongue.gif

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Answering PMs today. Yes, ORACLE only wants 22 boat bucks for each boat.

 

They come with stern chocks.

Wheels.

Boat Covers.

Board and Blade Covers.

The stock spins are in great shape.

They have built custom smaller spis for big air, which will go with each boat.

 

Additionally, ORACLE has an extra set of boards and a mast, that can be negotiated with the sale of the boats. They will not sell these until after the boats sell.

 

The boats have only been sailed a handful of times. The spinpoles are not stock carbon, they are alu.

 

The price is FOB in Redwood City. I can help with disassembly and packaging for an additional charge.

 

jeremy@surfcitycatamarans.com

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This is killing me man. NEED TO SELL MY OLSON.

I told you give the wife some shiney baubles to distract her and then go get it!

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Answering PMs today. Yes, ORACLE only wants 22 boat bucks for each boat.

 

They come with stern chocks.

Wheels.

Boat Covers.

Board and Blade Covers.

The stock spins are in great shape.

They have built custom smaller spis for big air, which will go with each boat.

 

Additionally, ORACLE has an extra set of boards and a mast, that can be negotiated with the sale of the boats. They will not sell these until after the boats sell.

 

The boats have only been sailed a handful of times. The spinpoles are not stock carbon, they are alu.

 

The price is FOB in Redwood City. I can help with disassembly and packaging for an additional charge.

 

jeremy@surfcitycatamarans.com

SOLD, Darn!!!!!!!!!!

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Answering PMs today. Yes, ORACLE only wants 22 boat bucks for each boat.

 

They come with stern chocks.

Wheels.

Boat Covers.

Board and Blade Covers.

The stock spins are in great shape.

They have built custom smaller spis for big air, which will go with each boat.

 

Additionally, ORACLE has an extra set of boards and a mast, that can be negotiated with the sale of the boats. They will not sell these until after the boats sell.

 

The boats have only been sailed a handful of times. The spinpoles are not stock carbon, they are alu.

 

The price is FOB in Redwood City. I can help with disassembly and packaging for an additional charge.

 

jeremy@surfcitycatamarans.com

SOLD, Darn!!!!!!!!!!

About Time. Damn glad the temptation is over.

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sniff sniff....not I.

It sounds like they were bought to raise money for a youth sailing program.

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A question to those of you who have already sailed the F20C.

Does the sail (luff-cord) easily slide's up and down in the groove when you play with the cunningham?

How can you improve this ?

What amount of prebend on the mast are you sailing with and which sailcloth do you have (carbon-aramid or purly carbon laminate)?

I'm asking because on my boat the luff will slide down when pulling the cunningham, but the luff will not slide back when i release the cunningham, except while I tack and when there is no tension on the mainsheet.

I have already polished the groove and lubbed the luff.

 

thanks for your answer

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That's pretty common on any boat stampede. With mainsheet on, its pulling the bolt rope against the sail track.

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That's pretty common on any boat stampede. With mainsheet on, its pulling the bolt rope against the sail track.

 

What Hatin' said. Just do a little quick ease and re-trim on the mainsheet AFTER you have released some downhaul.

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I'm fully aware of the issues mentioned above, but there is a clear difference between a F18 and my F20C.

On a F18 you can play with the cunningham at every gust, on my F20C i can just pull and it will never slide back while sailing.

cheers and thanks for your comments

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IT might be that the carbon sail has no stretch so the mast is dircetly bending with the downhaul.

 

It's not how much the sail moves in the track that matters, its how the leech is behaving. Does the leech open and close by downhaul control?

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Try Mclube? The Viper luff track is very loose, and I still have to give the main a quick pump to get it to relax the cunningham.

 

Might want to check for burrs at any openings, or dirty dirty spot that's holding things up?

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So who's the lucky winner?

Guess who sam? I ain't waiting for life to pass me by! Sailing anyone? S

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So who's the lucky winner?

Guess who sam? I ain't waiting for life to pass me by! Sailing anyone? S

 

 

Nice. That was a great deal, just bad timing for me.

Did you get both of them?

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So who's the lucky winner?

Guess who sam? I ain't waiting for life to pass me by! Sailing anyone? S

 

 

Nice. That was a great deal, just bad timing for me.

Did you get both of them?

 

From what I heard, yeah.

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I am just in the process of negotiating to purchase one of these weapons... Is there anything in particular that I should be looking out for, any teething problems with the earlier production boats? Is it the knid of boat that be launched from a slipway (big tides where I live!) or do you really need a beach? Any guidance gratefully received!

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I am just in the process of negotiating to purchase one of these weapons... Is there anything in particular that I should be looking out for, any teething problems with the earlier production boats? Is it the knid of boat that be launched from a slipway (big tides where I live!) or do you really need a beach? Any guidance gratefully received!

 

I think your right about maybe struggling with that slipway in Gsy harbour, but if you'd like to leave it in Jsy I promise we'll look after it for you... :D

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I am just in the process of negotiating to purchase one of these weapons... Is there anything in particular that I should be looking out for, any teething problems with the earlier production boats? Is it the knid of boat that be launched from a slipway (big tides where I live!) or do you really need a beach? Any guidance gratefully received!

 

I think your right about maybe struggling with that slipway in Gsy harbour, but if you'd like to leave it in Jsy I promise we'll look after it for you... :D

 

HAHA!! Please keep this seriously under your lip, I don't want anyone else finding out about it!!

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I bought hull-no.4 around 2 years ago. a friend of mine owns no. 17. On both boats the mast was not sealed on the bottom (where the diamonds go inside the mast). Not a big task but we painfully experienced this first after a capsize.....

Check the length of the rod above the frontbeam up to the white ball where the mast turns around (sorry for my bad english). On our boats the shread of the rod was uncovered for about 6cm. The rod bent seriously after a gust hit us. We reinforced it by applying two more nuts. You can cut it down but that my cause shortening the shrouds too.

The rudderblade housings have a piece of rubber on the lower inner end where the blades are pushed against when lowering them (this seems to be different from the Infusion although it's the same type of rudder). This rubber piece was clued on only and tends to get lost. When you lower the blades they my hit the hull and cause some damage on the gelcoat right on the lower end of the transom.

As all the standing and running parts are identical with the Infusion they show the same wear and tear and well known pain- and funpoints as the infusion.

 

greetings from germany

 

 

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I bought hull-no.4 around 2 years ago. a friend of mine owns no. 17. On both boats the mast was not sealed on the bottom (where the diamonds go inside the mast). Not a big task but we painfully experienced this first after a capsize.....

Check the length of the rod above the frontbeam up to the white ball where the mast turns around (sorry for my bad english). On our boats the shread of the rod was uncovered for about 6cm. The rod bent seriously after a gust hit us. We reinforced it by applying two more nuts. You can cut it down but that my cause shortening the shrouds too.

The rudderblade housings have a piece of rubber on the lower inner end where the blades are pushed against when lowering them (this seems to be different from the Infusion although it's the same type of rudder). This rubber piece was clued on only and tends to get lost. When you lower the blades they my hit the hull and cause some damage on the gelcoat right on the lower end of the transom.

As all the standing and running parts are identical with the Infusion they show the same wear and tear and well known pain- and funpoints as the infusion.

 

greetings from germany

 

 

 

Stampede,

Many thanks for your help, all great advice, what would you say are the well know wear and taer points on the Infusion. I am moving across from Hobie!

 

Do you find it easy to sail, I must admit the videos on Youtube do look incredible!

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Readie,

she is a joy to sail, even in chop and big waves. Quick tacking requires some practice because of the width. very easy to sail, to sail her fast you have to learn how to sail with C-foils and how to microadjust the mast-rotation. The shape of the mast is much deeper than that of an F18 and therefore more sensitive for rotation-angle to the wind. If you can afford her, it's money very well spend in my opinion.

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Readie,

she is a joy to sail, even in chop and big waves. Quick tacking requires some practice because of the width. very easy to sail, to sail her fast you have to learn how to sail with C-foils and how to microadjust the mast-rotation. The shape of the mast is much deeper than that of an F18 and therefore more sensitive for rotation-angle to the wind. If you can afford her, it's money very well spend in my opinion.

 

Many thanks for your input, one last question, there are a few reports on the internet and on the thread that the boards delivered with the early hulls were faulty and have been known to break.

 

Have you experienced this with your boat?

 

James

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James,

Yes, one of my original boards is broken, NACRA replaced it for free. As written in this post, just weight the boards and you know which ones you have. One of mine is still the original version but bullet proof. Boards in that length and thickness (max. 20mm??) are always sensitive to handle the loads which could occure.... I beleave regardless of the make that many manufactures have experienced the same issues here.

 

cheers

Ludger

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seen a few hollowish boards that got water in them and I think very poor design the strut to spin pole connection, unless of course you sell poles

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I bought hull-no.4 around 2 years ago. a friend of mine owns no. 17. On both boats the mast was not sealed on the bottom (where the diamonds go inside the mast). Not a big task but we painfully experienced this first after a capsize.....

Check the length of the rod above the frontbeam up to the white ball where the mast turns around (sorry for my bad english). On our boats the shread of the rod was uncovered for about 6cm. The rod bent seriously after a gust hit us. We reinforced it by applying two more nuts. You can cut it down but that my cause shortening the shrouds too.

The rudderblade housings have a piece of rubber on the lower inner end where the blades are pushed against when lowering them (this seems to be different from the Infusion although it's the same type of rudder). This rubber piece was clued on only and tends to get lost. When you lower the blades they my hit the hull and cause some damage on the gelcoat right on the lower end of the transom.

As all the standing and running parts are identical with the Infusion they show the same wear and tear and well known pain- and funpoints as the infusion.

 

greetings from germany

 

 

 

Stampede,

Many thanks for your help, all great advice, what would you say are the well know wear and taer points on the Infusion. I am moving across from Hobie!

 

Do you find it easy to sail, I must admit the videos on Youtube do look incredible!

 

Stampede, how did you go about sealing the bottom of the mast? Fairly critical in my opinion as it slows down the process of going totally upside down...!!

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I bought hull-no.4 around 2 years ago. a friend of mine owns no. 17. On both boats the mast was not sealed on the bottom (where the diamonds go inside the mast). Not a big task but we painfully experienced this first after a capsize.....

Check the length of the rod above the frontbeam up to the white ball where the mast turns around (sorry for my bad english). On our boats the shread of the rod was uncovered for about 6cm. The rod bent seriously after a gust hit us. We reinforced it by applying two more nuts. You can cut it down but that my cause shortening the shrouds too.

The rudderblade housings have a piece of rubber on the lower inner end where the blades are pushed against when lowering them (this seems to be different from the Infusion although it's the same type of rudder). This rubber piece was clued on only and tends to get lost. When you lower the blades they my hit the hull and cause some damage on the gelcoat right on the lower end of the transom.

As all the standing and running parts are identical with the Infusion they show the same wear and tear and well known pain- and funpoints as the infusion.

 

greetings from germany

 

 

 

Stampede,

Many thanks for your help, all great advice, what would you say are the well know wear and taer points on the Infusion. I am moving across from Hobie!

 

Do you find it easy to sail, I must admit the videos on Youtube do look incredible!

 

Stampede, how did you go about sealing the bottom of the mast? Fairly critical in my opinion as it slows down the process of going totally upside down...!!

 

We sealed ours with a piece of styrofoam sealed in with silicon. Do it before you install the diamond wires, because the seal has to be above where they enter the mast.

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F-20C wins the Delta Ditch run. First to finish over the boys.

 

Adrenaline , Rocket 88 played second fiddle to the 20 footer out of Santa Cruz.

 

Way to go Bruce.

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The F20c is a wickedly fast boat, no doubt. And I haven't seen the final results, but I am pretty sure that Bruce and Eric were far enough ahead that they not only crossed first, but corrected out in front of some very fast F18s as well. Spectacular job.

 

For those that are staying away from this boat because they think it takes a couple of big guys to sail it, reconsider... Winds were gusting into the 30s, and both F20s were right up front. We sail at about 325, and Bruce and Eric aren't much heavier, Maybe 350?

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looks like the f20c is now officially king shit of distance racing. beating rocket and adreniline on a 20 footer in those conditions is pretty damn impressive.

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It's pink , stiff and pointing to the sky......

 

It's not pink, it's neon someting...

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Nacra F20 Carbon takes line honours ....Nacra take 3 out of the first 4 places on handicap....

http://www.roundtexe....asp?navid=live (check under corrected results....)

 

This start to look like a historic break in the sailing world - when did a new boat owned like this thing ?

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