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looks like a decent hull. however, there are a few quirks with the pit setup (sans seats, i've already hashed that one out...) i would like to see changed if we got the boat (which isnt happening anyway... but hey, this is SA!).

 

On the 109 the cam cleats for the jib leads were lead at a shallow enough angle that they could be lead to the windward primary to trim them in some. Whether or not thats necessary or not can be debated, but it was useful for me at least...

 

I also would have though that, given the fact that they're using a #3 anyway, that the boat would be designed for cross sheeting.

 

Its good to see that the owner sprang for the horizontal RF battens. not only do they not look retarded, but they make the bow's life sooo much easier. I've sailed on three boats in four regattas that used those damn vertical battens, and only on one of those regattas was i not doing peels or jib changes between races. Otherwise, they were just a flying pain in the ass. So, props to the owner/sail maker.

 

 

edit: oh, and if anyone from jboats reads this... next time you launch a boat, give me a shout and i'll take the damn pictures for you. and edit them for web usage for you. i work cheap...

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how many more of them j-boats? they'll soon have all the numbers covered, will they go 2.0 after that or 2.1.0.1 and so forth? nothing new under the sun from j-boats...I'll have one if they pay me to...

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I am really sorry to rain on anyones new boat release, BUT I Have to say that any GOOD FRIENDS DON'T LET THEIR GOOD FRIENDS SAIL ON J BOATS,

 

SORRY, But just had to go there

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Santa Cruz 37 is the first thing that pops to mind. Nice lines... needs polars. Is the foot of the main supposed to be that loose or was the mast shorter then expected?

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Santa Cruz 37 is the first thing that pops to mind. Nice lines... needs polars. Is the foot of the main supposed to be that loose or was the mast shorter then expected?

 

What does mast height have to do with foot length? I'd like to see some pic's of the thing out of the water. Oh, and..........................what's it rate?

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Santa Cruz 37 is the first thing that pops to mind. Nice lines... needs polars. Is the foot of the main supposed to be that loose or was the mast shorter then expected?

 

Wanna bet that the 111 will sail circles around the Santa Cruz 37?

 

The 111 has a much narrower stern, and hence a lot less wetted surface. The only conditions that maybe the Santa Cruz could keep up would be broad reaching in over 20 knots.

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I am really sorry to rain on anyones new boat release, BUT I Have to say that any GOOD FRIENDS DON'T LET THEIR GOOD FRIENDS SAIL ON J BOATS,

 

SORRY, But just had to go there

 

 

you see..., the thing about JBoats is that they are building boats for people who actually buy boats, and not for their "friends", who come along for the occasional ride, and then crap on the boats on internet forums.

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i think it is uninspiring, and it looks slow

 

Reader Warning! Do NOT come to this forum in search of inspiration nor enlightenment. Do come if you like entertainment. Advise: worthless, Snickering: priceless.

 

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We prefer this 4 Knot Shit Box way 'mo....

 

 

 

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More bullshit posted here as usual. Nice boat, I've owned two J's and been very happy with them and this is nice too. How refreshing also to see a boat without North Sails. A double win. Lots of deposits down as J knows what their owners are interested in.

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i think it is uninspiring, and it looks slow

 

 

compared to some _other_ 36ft boat with standing head-room, and cruising accommodations, of which 30 have been sold before the first one hit the water, during a global recession, and which will probably become a great one-design class, insuring _excellent_ resale potential for the buyers...?

 

if so, which one?

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The jib in the photo seems to be cut quite high off the deck - especially at the clew.

 

 

I agree...Question: How do you roll the jib with that horizontal batten?

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I am really sorry to rain on anyones new boat release, BUT I Have to say that any GOOD FRIENDS DON'T LET THEIR GOOD FRIENDS SAIL ON J BOATS,

 

SORRY, But just had to go there

 

 

you see..., the thing about JBoats is that they are building boats for people who actually buy boats, and not for their "friends", who come along for the occasional ride, and then crap on the boats on internet forums.

 

+1 - Looks great and fast. I hear it will rate around the same as a 1D35 but with an interior. Of course it will cost and extra $200K :)

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Is the foot of the main supposed to be that loose or was the mast shorter then expected?

 

What does mast height have to do with foot length? I'd like to see some pic's of the thing out of the water. Oh, and..........................what's it rate?

 

 

 

Doesn't the Main look small?

 

Tiller?

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Is it possible to have too much white on a hull?

 

 

Agreed, the all-white messes with the lines. Some two tone nonskid would be groovy.

 

Santa Cruz 37 is the first thing that pops to mind. Nice lines... needs polars. Is the foot of the main supposed to be that loose or was the mast shorter then expected?

 

What does mast height have to do with foot length? I'd like to see some pic's of the thing out of the water. Oh, and..........................what's it rate?

 

 

From where I'm sitting the folding along the luff looks consistent with a cranked on cunningham though I can't quite make out if it's actually there or yanked on.

 

shame about the doyle sails.....what a way to slow a boat down right aut of the box....

 

 

Heh, my thoughts exactaly. The other way is by giving it a too-small OD kite which they also did.

 

 

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Boat looks great.

 

Tell the photographer next time to CLEAN THEIR LENSES before snapping those photos!

 

On the boat, I'd question why the jib is so far off the deck, and kudos on having an appropriate sized wheelie. Carbon wheel would complete the package IMHO.

 

I'm interested to see how it rates... if anything close to a 1D35, fast will be fun and functional.

 

DG

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The jib in the photo seems to be cut quite high off the deck - especially at the clew.

 

 

I agree...Question: How do you roll the jib with that horizontal batten?

 

the battens are setup like a tape measure, a concave piece of metal. they are straight until enough force is applied to "break" it and then it rolls up. they are a godsend on the bow.

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Santa Cruz 37 is the first thing that pops to mind. Nice lines... needs polars. Is the foot of the main supposed to be that loose or was the mast shorter then expected?

 

Wanna bet that the 111 will sail circles around the Santa Cruz 37?

 

The 111 has a much narrower stern, and hence a lot less wetted surface. The only conditions that maybe the Santa Cruz could keep up would be broad reaching in over 20 knots.

 

It won't sail circles around the SC 37. I considered both boats. The SC37 is bit longer, lighter and more SA, but it is a bitch to sail, very slippery. The J/111 is designed for a wide groove, much more forgiving. I will bet the SC37 will owe the 111 at least 10 secs a mile.

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Tiller - The rudder post is too far forward. The result would be a short tiller or have to move the mainsheet / Trav forward.

 

SC 37 - Other than the more narrow stern it is strange just how much they look alike.

 

From reading the other posts / threads it seems that the problem is being able to deliver boats. J/boats has deposits but can't deliver boats. Nice problem to have but deposits do not equal sales. The wait for a boat may keep buyers from ordering. Very tough for Dealers to pitch local one design if there is a long wait for the boats.

 

Has anyone seen proposed or actual one design rules for the boat?

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I am really sorry to rain on anyones new boat release, BUT I Have to say that any GOOD FRIENDS DON'T LET THEIR GOOD FRIENDS SAIL ON J BOATS,

 

SORRY, But just had to go there

 

Get back on your meds, these therapy sessions are expensive.

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Here it is. More here.

 

The money shot to come is where she breaks the bow wave and gets up on a plane. Not enough breeze in these pix.

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When are they and everyone else gonna quit with the ST primaries, I thought these were fucking raceboats.

 

 

you must not have read the web site...,

 

actually, it's a

day sailing, racing and weekend cruising sailboat
, so self tailers are probably the right call for the boat.

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Santa Cruz 37 is the first thing that pops to mind.

 

I think SC37 woke J Boats up to the concept of a more ambitious blend of performance with general purpose sailing. Nailing that combination hasn't been easy on a budget.

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More bullshit posted here as usual. Nice boat, I've owned two J's and been very happy with them and this is nice too. How refreshing also to see a boat without North Sails. A double win. Lots of deposits down as J knows what their owners are interested in.

 

Which would be mostly well-built cruisers that said owners can take out for some safe racing on the weekends.

 

And, giving credit where it is due, J//Boats are excellent at delivering exactly the above - and at a price point that lets them make very decent margins. More than can be said for many other boat builders...

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Way overpriced... white plastic . SA must be getting paid plenty to push this piece of expensive crap

 

we don't get paid anything to feature this boat. it's new, we got the pics, and we ran it, just like we do with a whole bunch of new boats. nice try though.

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The sail plan looks pretty weak to me along with an under spec'd rig (particularly the boom). Maybe that's why it has no sail area?? The hull seems beefy but that translates into weight. Maybe it's a good compromise boat for a family, but there are better options in this category for this type of boat. I'm sure that it will suit someones needs who wants a "brand name" and will write the check to have the "J "logo on their club shirt & hat. Best of luck to the Johnstone clan with this one....

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how many more of them j-boats? they'll soon have all the numbers covered, will they go 2.0 after that or 2.1.0.1 and so forth? nothing new under the sun from j-boats...I'll have one if they pay me to...

I think they should have started using roman numerals for the line of boats that includes the 100. J-X, etc. Or perhaps just drop a digit. Even though they have a lot of boats in their stable, there are many numbers left. And they are pretty clever.

 

The boat looks great to me. Any owners need (positive thinking) crew?

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Smaller version J125. Fast reacher. Pole looks very long, lots of chute area. Will not do well in IRC. ( I predict 1.135). It will be a PHRF machine/ORR mediocre.

 

Beautiful boat.

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It's so great that we can have exactly the same discussions over and over again... every time the Ed gets a new picture and start a new thread (why no tiller, sailplan to small, too heavy, gennaker to small, J/boats naming, etc, etc...).

 

I recommend reading

 

 

And it seems that many people on SA wants (and argues for) the all out planing carbon 36' racer? But not many of you are prepared to pay the $500k and actually get one? So when push comes to shove, it's always some compromise between performance, usability, economics, resale value and other boring stuff.

 

And with ~30 boats already on order, I would say that this is the most successful launch in this segment (~35' sporty racer/cruiser) since X-yachts launched the X-35.

 

I know it's pretty much spot on for me!

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It's so great that we can have exactly the same discussions over and over again... every time the Ed gets a new picture and start a new thread (why no tiller, sailplan to small, too heavy, gennaker to small, J/boats naming, etc, etc...).

 

 

And it seems that many people on SA wants (and argues for) the all out planing carbon 36' racer? But not many of you are prepared to pay the $500k and actually get one? So when push comes to shove, it's always some compromise between performance, usability, economics, resale value and other boring stuff.

 

And with ~30 boats already on order, I would say that this is the most successful launch in this segment (~35' sporty racer/cruiser) since X-yachts launched the X-35.

 

I know it's pretty much spot on for me!

 

 

People like you should just find a different sailing site! If Sailing Anarchy is bit too much for you then look elsewhere for your sailing info!

 

May I reccomend going to Google Type in Blur, Sailing and then you will be asked if you want to translate it into English. Hit Yes and you will not have to put up with SA!!!

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Holy cow, how friggin in-hauled is that jib - what's the setup they're using? The jib clew HAS to be high to clear the cabin top. Otherwise the foot can't scrape the deck cuz it's a furler sail - no end plate effect here boys.

 

As someone said earler, they went with a coachroof which looks too high - I know why but they made a lot of consessions.

 

to my eye the upwind pic doesn't look that impressive. Granted it's not an Audi-Med TP52 but it looks plodding. We'll see when it hits these shores.

 

Can you adjust the backstay easily or did they go for the dumbed down, lowest common demoninator hard-to-adjust handle at the back model?

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And it seems that many people on SA wants (and argues for) the all out planing carbon 36' racer? But not many of you are prepared to pay the $500k and actually get one? So when push comes to shove, it's always some compromise between performance, usability, economics, resale value and other boring stuff.

 

 

But when you consider that back in the late 70's and early 80's, hippies were building boats that were 5' longer (Olson and SC 40)and only 1000lbs heavier with nice wood tone interiors that made you feel at home instead of in a plastic boat, I'd say that building techniques for boats built for the average sailor has not progressed much in the last 30 some odd years. (I bet profits have)

 

The image gallery does not show any interior photos, not good.

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I am really sorry to rain on anyones new boat release, BUT I Have to say that any GOOD FRIENDS DON'T LET THEIR GOOD FRIENDS SAIL ON J BOATS,

 

SORRY, But just had to go there

 

Nah, that just applies to 105s.

 

Putting on the flame suit now, cause I'm going to surprise myself here and say that I generally like the look, but I have two questions (someon already asked what it rates, so I won't go there...)

 

1) Do we really have to have a recessed wheeL? I mean, it's cool and it lets the hemsman sit out to weather and all, but they can be a bitch to keep clean, and there's always the errant beer can or the ten year old's foot that somehow manage to get caught up in there at least once in every regatta. Not mention the pringles. Did I ever tell you about the pringles? God help us.

 

2) Why isn't the roller furler recessed in the bow? It's been what, 25 years since the 105 hit the water and we still haven't figured that one out? C'mon guys!

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I have a feeling it will be one of those boats that you see at a dock in 10 years and ask a crew mate, is that a J? Is it revolutionary? No. Is it cheap? No. Is it faster than existing 35-40ft IRC designs 40? Unlikely. Maybe it can squeak out a good rating, with the cockpit seats, sprit, and limited overhang, but that seems about it. And could somebody please throw some better graphics on that thing?

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And it seems that many people on SA wants (and argues for) the all out planing carbon 36' racer? But not many of you are prepared to pay the $500k and actually get one? So when push comes to shove, it's always some compromise between performance, usability, economics, resale value and other boring stuff.

 

 

But when you consider that back in the late 70's and early 80's, hippies were building boats that were 5' longer (Olson and SC 40)and only 1000lbs heavier with nice wood tone interiors that made you feel at home instead of in a plastic boat, I'd say that building techniques for boats built for the average sailor has not progressed much in the last 30 some odd years. (I bet profits have)

 

The image gallery does not show any interior photos, not good.

 

i bet profits have gone down, per dollar of input... labor costs more, materials cost more, etc. but hey, what do i know. and i do agree that the jboats on the whole seem a bit over priced.

 

[quote name='Remodel' date='01 August 2010 - 04:15 PM' timestamp='1280693706'

 

Nah, that just applies to 105s.

 

Putting on the flame suit now, cause I'm going to surprise myself here and say that I generally like the look, but I have two questions (someon already asked what it rates, so I won't go there...)

 

1) Do we really have to have a recessed wheeL? I mean, it's cool and it lets the hemsman sit out to weather and all, but they can be a bitch to keep clean, and there's always the errant beer can or the ten year old's foot that somehow manage to get caught up in there at least once in every regatta. Not mention the pringles. Did I ever tell you about the pringles? God help us.

 

2) Why isn't the roller furler recessed in the bow? It's been what, 25 years since the 105 hit the water and we still haven't figured that one out? C'mon guys!

 

fuck yes the wheel should be recessed. sailing the 109 i could either sit, or i could stand and see the telltales. standing all day for a 3day regatta gets old by the second day. It was neat sailing the King/Summit 40 with the wheels all the way out to the edge of the cockpit - super comfy to helm.

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And it seems that many people on SA wants (and argues for) the all out planing carbon 36' racer? But not many of you are prepared to pay the $500k and actually get one?

Erm, just over half that amount would be about right (linky).

 

So when push comes to shove, it's always some compromise between performance, usability, economics, resale value and other boring stuff.

Generally the choice will be between performance and comfort, i.e., racer vs. cruiser.

 

I know it's pretty much spot on for me!

Good, glad you like it. Appropriate forum is here :rolleyes:

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Seems like a nice enough boat. Personally I have no emotional involvement with Js. I've sailed on them and against them and I have almost invariably enjoyed sailing them. I like them plenty, but I'm not an I've-drunk-the-Kool-Ade fan-boy. Three observations from the photographs. They are probably related.

  1. Not of lot of big smiles or happy grins on board. Everyone EVERYONE looks either serious or disappointed or both.
  2. Boat looks like it came out heavy. Even in the glassed-off, everyone-forward picture the transom is in the water. Transom gurgling in every photo; disturbed water flow off the back. Will it tow an empty beer can back there?
  3. Makes big waves. The 3/4 angle view with spinn shows IOR levels of quarter wave, big hole amidships.

Maybe they need more wind? But traditionally, J/boats have more-or-less been dialed in for the 6-12 knot TWS that most of the USA sails in, weekend after weekend after weekend. That looks like 7 knots TWS to me...

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Boat looks great, looks like a winner to me. Besides the "J Hater Nation" that is sailing anarchy, I think the number of hulls already ordered is a true testament to J Boat's ability to make a great boat, don't think the new sydney 37 will be able to match it's numbers in sales. That being said i am a little disapointed that the finished product wasn't the radical change in direction for J Boats that many people were expecting. I thought they would step out of their comfort zone and actually produce a hardcore, lightweight, T-bulb keel racer but it ended up being another 36ft cruiser/racer in their lineup. The 111 is too similar to the 109 and they will cannibalize each other's sales.

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More bullshit posted here as usual. Nice boat, I've owned two J's and been very happy with them and this is nice too. How refreshing also to see a boat without North Sails. A double win. Lots of deposits down as J knows what their owners are interested in.

 

 

 

It's funny how the other 111 threads were mostly complimentary. How come the haters come out when it's in the water? I like the boat and it seems to be a departure from recent J designs.

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And it seems that many people on SA wants (and argues for) the all out planing carbon 36' racer? But not many of you are prepared to pay the $500k and actually get one?

Erm, just over half that amount would be about right (linky).

Not really sure that's the boat to take for a serious offshore race is it? And sure, $300k might get it on the starting line, but we'll see.

 

So the big question now (if it's such a great example of the boat people want - and cheap too)... How many sold?

 

I love those boats as much as anyone, but it's extremely hard to get them to market. That's reality. The segment between production racer/cruisers (J/111, SC37, Sydney 37, X-35, X-treme 37, T-34, ...) and racing custom designs from Ker/Farr/Corby/Mills/Bakewell-White is very small. Many have tried; 1D35, Farr 11s, Heiner 38, Ker 11.5 (now reincarnated as Ker 40 after they closed down after building one boat), Max Fun 35, ... Not many good examples in the last 30 years besides Melges and Farr.

 

And for a company like J/boats, in this kind of economy, trying to do a new J/125 or compete with the Melges 32 wasn't really an option.

 

But I guess there are plenty of choice for those who need (and are willing to pay for) more performance.

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Smaller version J125. Fast reacher. Pole looks very long, lots of chute area. Will not do well in IRC. ( I predict 1.135). It will be a PHRF machine/ORR mediocre.

 

Beautiful boat.

 

1.135!?? surely too high. I agree though, beautiful boat - the wheel looks terrific., the 109 always looked unnaturally high.

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New?

 

 

 

 

Yeah, a J that does not look as a 25 years old design ... just 15 ... brand new indeed...

 

 

 

 

May be, one day, we will see a J that is looking "new" ... may be ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Smaller version J125. Fast reacher. Pole looks very long, lots of chute area. Will not do well in IRC. ( I predict 1.135). It will be a PHRF machine/ORR mediocre.

 

Beautiful boat.

 

1.135!?? surely too high. I agree though, beautiful boat - the wheel looks terrific., the 109 always looked unnaturally high.

 

it feels that way too... especially if you're short...

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The boat looks great. Well done.

 

We'll have to see how fast it is, but this most definitely is not just "more of the same".

 

If you naysaying turds didn't know this was a J Boat you'd be creaming your shorts.

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Boat looks great, looks like a winner to me. Besides the "J Hater Nation" that is sailing anarchy, I think the number of hulls already ordered is a true testament to J Boat's ability to make a great boat, don't think the new sydney 37 will be able to match it's numbers in sales. That being said i am a little disapointed that the finished product wasn't the radical change in direction for J Boats that many people were expecting. I thought they would step out of their comfort zone and actually produce a hardcore, lightweight, T-bulb keel racer but it ended up being another 36ft cruiser/racer in their lineup. The 111 is too similar to the 109 and they will cannibalize each other's sales.

 

This is a very valid point and you're onto something. J/ tried too hard to get the crossover of cruising and racing when they should really decide on one and do it well. Case in point: The J/35 and J/35c. One was purely raceable and the other was purely cruisable.

 

I honestly find myself hoping that their insisting that it should be a rocket are true but at the same time they're trying much too hard to hook people on the "versatility" of the boat. In the end, I doubt that it will be any more enjoyable to spend time on than a J/105 or a Farr 30 and you will be confronted with the reality that while you COULD weekend on the boat ... would you really want to?

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And it seems that many people on SA wants (and argues for) the all out planing carbon 36' racer? But not many of you are prepared to pay the $500k and actually get one?

Erm, just over half that amount would be about right (linky).

Not really sure that's the boat to take for a serious offshore race is it? And sure, $300k might get it on the starting line, but we'll see.

 

So the big question now (if it's such a great example of the boat people want - and cheap too)... How many sold?

 

I love those boats as much as anyone, but it's extremely hard to get them to market. That's reality. The segment between production racer/cruisers (J/111, SC37, Sydney 37, X-35, X-treme 37, T-34, ...) and racing custom designs from Ker/Farr/Corby/Mills/Bakewell-White is very small. Many have tried; 1D35, Farr 11s, Heiner 38, Ker 11.5 (now reincarnated as Ker 40 after they closed down after building one boat), Max Fun 35, ... Not many good examples in the last 30 years besides Melges and Farr.

 

And for a company like J/boats, in this kind of economy, trying to do a new J/125 or compete with the Melges 32 wasn't really an option.

 

But I guess there are plenty of choice for those who need (and are willing to pay for) more performance.

 

Fixed it for you. Otherwise mostly agree - as I had mentioned way earlier in this thread, J/Boats are great at serving the mainstream market. But with most of the people on this site not exactly being mainstream, you will this to be a somewhat tougher crowd...

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We have owned 3 J boats.

 

First I grew up on a 24 tied to a dock from aged 4-14. It was a lot of fun and we even planed it out with the Chute up on the right days. WE swam, played and spent time as a family most importantly.

 

We got a 22 and raced that for a few years and then ended up with a 27. I also sailed extensively on a 29 and some on a racy 35. The boats are built well and race well. They are great to take the friends out on for a beer sail/lesson too. They always look good sailing upwind compared to many other brands I see on the water. Problem is they now are expensive and there are too many different designs across the family (this particular model will be a winner judging from the boats sold) Problem I have is who has the money or time to drag around 9,000 lbs or more to the BIG races. Clearly the future of one designs is towable behind a V-6 or hybrid? In the meantime my sailing family is WET for a 30+ farrier tri (or something else with three hulls that hauls ass and has a retractable board). For the same money as this J you could really trick out (carbon parts galore) a larger Farrier design with all the goodies. That is the future there. Blow past the fleet of 111's with your beer upright and half the crew. Later be found on the inside of the reef pulled up to some white sanded spit in paradise. I can't stand trying to explore exotic beaches from 7.5-9 ft keel depths.

 

J boat aint knocking you but my future wet dream has three hulls and kids on the tramps! I would love to commission a new Farrier 33 or something similar before epoxy and fuel prices run wild again.

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Is it faster than existing 35-40ft IRC designs 40? Unlikely.

 

You have got to be kidding. IRC is 6-7 kts upwind and 6-7 kts down wind. The 111 will do a horizon job on these boats down wind.

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Holy cow, how friggin in-hauled is that jib - what's the setup they're using? The jib clew HAS to be high to clear the cabin top. Otherwise the foot can't scrape the deck cuz it's a furler sail - no end plate effect here boys.

 

As someone said earler, they went with a coachroof which looks too high - I know why but they made a lot of consessions.

 

to my eye the upwind pic doesn't look that impressive. Granted it's not an Audi-Med TP52 but it looks plodding. We'll see when it hits these shores.

 

Can you adjust the backstay easily or did they go for the dumbed down, lowest common demoninator hard-to-adjust handle at the back model?

 

you mean this??? Does not seem right to me?

 

anyone????.....

 

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Holy cow, how friggin in-hauled is that jib - what's the setup they're using? The jib clew HAS to be high to clear the cabin top. Otherwise the foot can't scrape the deck cuz it's a furler sail - no end plate effect here boys.

 

As someone said earler, they went with a coachroof which looks too high - I know why but they made a lot of consessions.

 

to my eye the upwind pic doesn't look that impressive. Granted it's not an Audi-Med TP52 but it looks plodding. We'll see when it hits these shores.

 

Can you adjust the backstay easily or did they go for the dumbed down, lowest common demoninator hard-to-adjust handle at the back model?

 

you mean this??? Does not seem right to me?

 

anyone????.....

 

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That jib is cut with a clew way too high. It is fine for the jib to be kissing the coach roof when max inhauled (actually ideal)

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Is it faster than existing 35-40ft IRC designs 40? Unlikely.

 

You have got to be kidding. IRC is 6-7 kts upwind and 6-7 kts down wind. The 111 will do a horizon job on these boats down wind.

 

 

I hope you are right. From the pics it appears that is is digging quite the hole in the water and it remains to be seen how much of a blow it will take to make it brake free = I could be way off but my guess is something in the 25knot range.

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Love it, fugly windows, fucked up sails, too much white, wrong this and that and all. I bet it sails better then my boat and I want one.

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So many anti-J responses, but I confess I have sung that gospel more than once - particularly with the 105. But, have you nay-sayers sailed a a 125? The point is, the fact that it is a "J" is not the deciding factor, but the fact that their "sucessful" boats are just not that fun to sail - and I am speaking from a high-performance perspective.

 

If indeed this 111 design is a go-fast design and not adhering to IRC (or whatever, for that matter), then they'll have a winner and it's resale value in 10 years will blow away the 122's because it's just more fun. As an aside, I wish J boats could get their pricing under control.

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That being said i am a little disapointed that the finished product wasn't the radical change in direction for J Boats that many people were expecting. I thought they would step out of their comfort zone and actually produce a hardcore, lightweight, T-bulb keel racer but it ended up being another 36ft cruiser/racer in their lineup.

 

J Boats did that back in 1998 with the J/90 and J/125. Hard-core, no compromises, pure. They sold 6 90s, and, what 12 125s? The Mrs. doesn't approve. These boats are still super cool (12 years later the J/125 is still winning big out there) but you will starve to death trying to keep a sail boat business afloat. For all our rhetoric, when it comes down to putting up real money, few of us want a boat that's a soaking wet, white-knuckle ride all the time.

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Smaller version J125. Fast reacher. Pole looks very long, lots of chute area. Will not do well in IRC. ( I predict 1.135). It will be a PHRF machine/ORR mediocre.

 

Beautiful boat.

 

1.135!?? surely too high. I agree though, beautiful boat - the wheel looks terrific., the 109 always looked unnaturally high.

 

Polaris is anti-IRC so throwing out a ridiculous number is part of his agenda. A J/122 rates 1.09. We can wait for the Rating Office but something around 1.04 ?

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What the J111 has going for it is the dealer network and repeat buyers. Sad to see this knock off of the SC37 presell 30 hulls if this is true. The SC37 already tried to do too much (being trailerable) but at least the SC37 is looking forward. The J111 has a whiff of fresh thinking but its real appeal is to all the J repeat customers.

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Smaller version J125. Fast reacher. Pole looks very long, lots of chute area. Will not do well in IRC. ( I predict 1.135). It will be a PHRF machine/ORR mediocre.

 

Beautiful boat.

 

 

J Boats claim that it will rate at 1.100 on IRC, so a smidgeon more than an A40.....mmmmm......will it be quicker than the A, or the summit 35 that it will give time to?

 

so it doesn't sound like it is designed for IRC (admittedly as J Boats have always said).

 

thoughts on the pics:

  1. how do those jib battens work on a furler?
  2. i thought the furler was going to be flush - ish for more jib area. that looks like a standard furler
  3. agree on the in-haulers, someone is overdoing that bit of trim by the look of it
  4. agree backstay should be capable of being more easily adjusted by main trimmer
  5. it does look heavy in the water to me. do you think they had all the factory staff down below as well?
  6. visually it looks like it needs a hull colour to be "a looker". metallic silver?
  7. like the pole length.....

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Smaller version J125. Fast reacher. Pole looks very long, lots of chute area. Will not do well in IRC. ( I predict 1.135). It will be a PHRF machine/ORR mediocre.

 

Beautiful boat.

 

1.135!?? surely too high. I agree though, beautiful boat - the wheel looks terrific., the 109 always looked unnaturally high.

 

Polaris is anti-IRC so throwing out a ridiculous number is part of his agenda. A J/122 rates 1.09. We can wait for the Rating Office but something around 1.04 ?

 

1.04? You must be kidding. The specs say the boat will weigh around 9000 pounds. V-berth optional. Short overhangs. 130m2 kite. Polaris is high but you are very low. TCC will be 1.1x -- I'd guess 1.118 just to throw a number out.

 

And then lots of those 30 pre-sales will evaporate. Because if hull 20 or so won't splash until next year as said in another thread, OD will take far too long to materialize and this boat is DOA in IRC.

 

There must be a trial certificate somewhere. This thing has been in development for almost a year and no clue what the trial was? What does that tell you?

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i think it is uninspiring, and it looks slow

 

Now that's what I call a boat! Pity I can't afford to run a 50hp 4 stroke outboard for the weekend.

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I will pre-empt this by stating that I am J boat dealer!

 

I love all the couch commentary from people who haven't even sailed one yet! I called this morning and there are now 32 boats pre-sold! That is more than double the amount of J/105's that were presold when it was released and they are still in production with over 600 boats out sailing! Not sure if all of these are previous J-owners. My client presently owns a J/105.

 

I think it was a tough decision to release a new boat in the same size range as a current production model. Time will tell if this was a wise choice. People are knocking the price but I think it is priced competetively with it's competition in the market place. Again, time will tell but selling 32 boats in an extremely down economy shows a lot of faith in Rod, Al and the rest of the company that you do not see going on anywhere else in this size range at this time! Poo poo it if you will but this is going to be a successfull boat.

 

I will be sailing the boat boat on the 12th and 13th of this month. I will come back and let you know my opinion of the boat's actual sailing abilities then. Until then I only have an opinion based on the history of the company, it's products (over 14,000 built) and what I have seen by visiting the factory during the boat's production. Anyone else that has better first hand experience sailing on the boat or against it should speak up and give a real opinion about this boat.

 

I await the post bashing....

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Nice looking boat. I'll take one. And when I say "take" I mean "steal" as there would be no other way for me to get one.

 

I'm not an engineer or designer, and I am sure there are plenty of people who THINK that they are and will say something about my post..... but to me, the main looks kinda small for the size of the boat. Maybe it is just a optical illusion or something as I have not seen the design specs and compared it to other similar sized boats or other past J-boat designs.

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I will pre-empt this by stating that I am J boat dealer!

 

I love all the couch commentary from people who haven't even sailed one yet! I called this morning and there are now 32 boats pre-sold! That is more than double the amount of J/105's that were presold when it was released and they are still in production with over 600 boats out sailing! Not sure if all of these are previous J-owners. My client presently owns a J/105.

 

I think it was a tough decision to release a new boat in the same size range as a current production model. Time will tell if this was a wise choice. People are knocking the price but I think it is priced competetively with it's competition in the market place. Again, time will tell but selling 32 boats in an extremely down economy shows a lot of faith in Rod, Al and the rest of the company that you do not see going on anywhere else in this size range at this time! Poo poo it if you will but this is going to be a successfull boat.

 

I will be sailing the boat boat on the 12th and 13th of this month. I will come back and let you know my opinion of the boat's actual sailing abilities then. Until then I only have an opinion based on the history of the company, it's products (over 14,000 built) and what I have seen by visiting the factory during the boat's production. Anyone else that has better first hand experience sailing on the boat or against it should speak up and give a real opinion about this boat.

 

I await the post bashing....

No offense but I can see why you're a boat salesman and not a rocket scientist. To discount performance opinions with sales figures wouldn't even fly in high-school debating mate, it's not the same topic. Lada's are slow but people bought 'em.

 

Maybe about 10 people on the planet have sailed a J111 granted but I have faith there are lots of experienced nerds on the site who crunch key performance indicators (SA/Displ, chute size, upwind SA, LWL, BWL, draft, disp:ballast, etc.) and current J-Boat owners who can do some reasonable extrapolation of this coupled with the pictures they saw. I know that's what I did. It was light airs and I agree the boat a) sits quite low in the water compared to the out-of-water shots, and b ) didn't look like it had long legs.

 

They're predictions, just like baseball, we've seen the team on paper, it's now spring training, it looks slow and overweight and not especially high performing, do we think it'll win the world series like we're led to believe in the press? Excuse us for having an opinion.

 

Lastly luck you that you get to sail one, but what the fuck else are you going to say about it besides the obvious? Your wife will leave you if you don't make your sales target.

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Great design - ye, it looks a bit plastiki, but overall, I think it is cooler than the 105 ... they need to bring the price down and stop building 105s in order for this to really take the place ...

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No offense but ..... Excuse us for having an opinion.

 

Opinions are like assholes.....

 

anyway, seems that the only opinions that really count are the 32 orders with cash down....rest is just bullshit...

 

how many other builders have orders in hand for 32 brand new quarter million dollar boats? hard pressed to come up with any except maybe melges...

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Looks like you failed high-school debating as well. The opinions of the buyers are just opinions, are they right? Not many people on this site have a Lamborghini but I'm sure you could put together a few words on one.

 

I think it's refreshing some sane heads are providing a counterpoint to the marketing hyperbowl. I worry that it won't live up to the promise, which means there won't be many around my local sailing area, which means there won't be owners looking for crew, which means I'll have to keep sailing on the very inferiour Farr product I'm already on. Maybe that's not so bad.

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I will pre-empt this by stating that I am J boat dealer!

 

I love all the couch commentary from people who haven't even sailed one yet! I called this morning and there are now 32 boats pre-sold! That is more than double the amount of J/105's that were presold when it was released and they are still in production with over 600 boats out sailing! Not sure if all of these are previous J-owners. My client presently owns a J/105.

 

I think it was a tough decision to release a new boat in the same size range as a current production model. Time will tell if this was a wise choice. People are knocking the price but I think it is priced competetively with it's competition in the market place. Again, time will tell but selling 32 boats in an extremely down economy shows a lot of faith in Rod, Al and the rest of the company that you do not see going on anywhere else in this size range at this time! Poo poo it if you will but this is going to be a successfull boat.

 

I will be sailing the boat boat on the 12th and 13th of this month. I will come back and let you know my opinion of the boat's actual sailing abilities then. Until then I only have an opinion based on the history of the company, it's products (over 14,000 built) and what I have seen by visiting the factory during the boat's production. Anyone else that has better first hand experience sailing on the boat or against it should speak up and give a real opinion about this boat.

 

I await the post bashing....

No offense but I can see why you're a boat salesman and not a rocket scientist. To discount performance opinions with sales figures wouldn't even fly in high-school debating mate, it's not the same topic. Lada's are slow but people bought 'em.

 

Maybe about 10 people on the planet have sailed a J111 granted but I have faith there are lots of experienced nerds on the site who crunch key performance indicators (SA/Displ, chute size, upwind SA, LWL, BWL, draft, disp:ballast, etc.) and current J-Boat owners who can do some reasonable extrapolation of this coupled with the pictures they saw. I know that's what I did. It was light airs and I agree the boat a) sits quite low in the water compared to the out-of-water shots, and b ) didn't look like it had long legs.

 

They're predictions, just like baseball, we've seen the team on paper, it's now spring training, it looks slow and overweight and not especially high performing, do we think it'll win the world series like we're led to believe in the press? Excuse us for having an opinion.

 

Lastly luck you that you get to sail one, but what the fuck else are you going to say about it besides the obvious? Your wife will leave you if you don't make your sales target.

 

Agree with the bulk of the 'constructive' critique here. One thing to note is that every shot was taken from the leeward side, so its going to appear settled in the water.

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I will pre-empt this by stating that I am J boat dealer!

 

I love all the couch commentary from people who haven't even sailed one yet! I called this morning and there are now 32 boats pre-sold! That is more than double the amount of J/105's that were presold when it was released and they are still in production with over 600 boats out sailing! Not sure if all of these are previous J-owners. My client presently owns a J/105.

 

I think it was a tough decision to release a new boat in the same size range as a current production model. Time will tell if this was a wise choice. People are knocking the price but I think it is priced competetively with it's competition in the market place. Again, time will tell but selling 32 boats in an extremely down economy shows a lot of faith in Rod, Al and the rest of the company that you do not see going on anywhere else in this size range at this time! Poo poo it if you will but this is going to be a successfull boat.

 

I will be sailing the boat boat on the 12th and 13th of this month. I will come back and let you know my opinion of the boat's actual sailing abilities then. Until then I only have an opinion based on the history of the company, it's products (over 14,000 built) and what I have seen by visiting the factory during the boat's production. Anyone else that has better first hand experience sailing on the boat or against it should speak up and give a real opinion about this boat.

 

I await the post bashing....

No offense but I can see why you're a boat salesman and not a rocket scientist. To discount performance opinions with sales figures wouldn't even fly in high-school debating mate, it's not the same topic. Lada's are slow but people bought 'em.

 

Maybe about 10 people on the planet have sailed a J111 granted but I have faith there are lots of experienced nerds on the site who crunch key performance indicators (SA/Displ, chute size, upwind SA, LWL, BWL, draft, disp:ballast, etc.) and current J-Boat owners who can do some reasonable extrapolation of this coupled with the pictures they saw. I know that's what I did. It was light airs and I agree the boat a) sits quite low in the water compared to the out-of-water shots, and b ) didn't look like it had long legs.

 

They're predictions, just like baseball, we've seen the team on paper, it's now spring training, it looks slow and overweight and not especially high performing, do we think it'll win the world series like we're led to believe in the press? Excuse us for having an opinion.

 

Lastly luck you that you get to sail one, but what the fuck else are you going to say about it besides the obvious? Your wife will leave you if you don't make your sales target.

 

 

No offense taken but my wife has a knee aimed at your left nut for calling her shallow! Good luck!

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Interesting looking design with inevitable features that can look like being borrowed from others .. I am surprised by all the negativity. JBoats charges more for a branded product that holds value longer than many others .. No different than any other "branded product" one would purchase. If one does like that, go buy a used no-name or discarded one-off, update same, or go custom. If you do not believe this post, take a look at Swan, Oyster, SC52, X-Boats, etc.

 

Race records do prove that JBoats have dominated more PHRF events with placed finishes more than any other design in category. Yes I am a past JBoats owner. To me IRC is no different than CCA, MHS, IOR, IMS, et al. They have all come and gone. PHRF dominates the non-one-design categories of our sport.

 

Concerning the remark that clearly was aimed at safety, no question that builder TPI was very negilgent in its engineering work on certain JBoats. History reveals they're engineering stank out the house on early J120s, some J105s, and even some J80s. Go sue them if you like. If you got the dough and feel like tilting at windmills, go ahead. It starts at $10,000 entry fee, climbs dramatically from there, and incurs notable angst.

 

Concerning the J111 coach roof, it offers headroom. If you strictly race, you may not want a JBoat which is an asset conceived to enable couple & family getaways plus "2nd home financing credit." If you do not like headroom, forget X-Boats, SCs, Swans, et al. If you don't like compromise boats, update some other chosen racer which will give you a first-hand discovery experience you won't get your dough back -- or go one-off custom -- for which again you lose $$$$.

 

Vintage boats are bought and sold used within their vintage. Buyers do not give you credit for the updates or "extra gear." Sorry. Concerning recessed helm wheels, seats' length, et al. -- its a matter again of design choices that suit cost-effective manufacture engineering as well as customer preferences in trading off costs. Recessing a helm wheel incurs more cost. Recessing a furling drum incurs more cost. Etc. If you want it, I bet JBopatswill let you have it -- with an extra optional charge.

 

If you have done a custom boat, one learns these trade-offs. The number$ climb very fast.

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