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The J111 chose the wrong side of the beat and pulled her result back to what it was on the heavy air downwind leg.

 

The J/111 is a great boat but I regret to report that it doesn't improve your tactical decisions on the race course. Sort of like buying a copy of PowerPoint and hoping you will become a better presenter. If you suck, you will still suck on this boat, and vice versa.

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J/111 #4 Invisible Hand had another excellent outing at the 2011 Spinnaker Cup from San Francisco to Monterey yesterday. Won our 16 boat division, both across the line, and on corrected, 4th overall out of 43 boats. Epic sailing down wind across Monterey Bay, mid teen speeds, peaking at 17-18 with 20-24 kts. of breeze.

 

http://www.mpyc.org/index.php/racing/results/404-spinnaker-2011-cup-results

 

This just in: Invisible Hand moves up to 3rd overall, (1st in division, no change) after it was discovered that the #1 overall boat was incorrectly scored on its buoy rating, not downwind handicap like everybody else.

 

 

Well done. Seems like you've got the boat dialed in pretty quickly.

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J/111 Fleet #1 (Chicago) had our first races on Saturday with 4 J/111s in our own one-design section. We sailed 2 races in about 5-10 knots of breeze with relatively flat water. At the end of the day 3 boats were tied for the lead with 4 points each. The racing was pretty tight for our first time out on the water together.

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J/111 Fleet #1 (Chicago) had our first races on Saturday with 4 J/111s in our own one-design section. We sailed 2 races in about 5-10 knots of breeze with relatively flat water. At the end of the day 3 boats were tied for the lead with 4 points each. The racing was pretty tight for our first time out on the water together.

 

That is very impressive, Chicago! We have 2 boats on the water in San Francisco now, not quite what you'd call a fleet yet. Waiting for all those 105 owners to pull the trigger.

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So whats the plan for Block Island Race Week? I see the 3 111's are in 3 different classes - PHRF, IRC 35 and IRC 40 :blink:

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I'm sailing on a 111 for the next two weekends (starting on the 11th), and would like to know if the SA community can share a few tips/tricks concerning the highest and best practices around the course.

 

Any trimming or crew tips that can be shared would be greatly appreciated. Doesn't have to be an exhaustive list, just some basic things to keep in mind on the 111.

 

Good times, and thanks!

 

DG

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#17 optional Carbonautica wheel...light and stiff.

Thank's for sharing. Retrofitted one of these on J/109 Blur. Sweet!!!

 

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=120517&view=findpost&p=3289110

 

We put the carbonautica wheel on our #4 as well. Other than the cool factor, I could have sworn it was making us go faster ;-) So far, crew has liked it better than the standard wheel, stiffer, less flex.

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Fun factor was high with 4 on the line this weekend... These boats are a blast and (shh) fast.

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So whats the plan for Block Island Race Week? I see the 3 111's are in 3 different classes - PHRF, IRC 35 and IRC 40 :blink:

 

Partnership had smaller sail(s) made. The rest (3 or 4) should be in the same class - which hasn't been determined yet.

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Sailed the 111 tonight. Trimmed a bit, drove a bit.

 

Not sure what all the fuss is about.

 

:lol:

 

DG

 

guess you can always go back to the 36.7 :D

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Sailed the 111 tonight. Trimmed a bit, drove a bit.

 

Not sure what all the fuss is about.

 

:lol:

 

DG

 

guess you can always go back to the 36.7 :D

 

It's tough - 36.7 + Melges 24 vs J111

 

The J111 could be the "one boat" solution but its still a more expensive option

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Sailed the 111 tonight. Trimmed a bit, drove a bit.

 

Not sure what all the fuss is about.

 

:lol:

 

DG

 

guess you can always go back to the 36.7 :D

 

It's tough - 36.7 + Melges 24 vs J111

 

The J111 could be the "one boat" solution but its still a more expensive option

 

True. I still have nightmares each time I go below. The dealer said that they could pimp my ride a bit to make it more homey, but then WTF do I do when I want to sell the thing in 10 years.... no buyers for a Winnebago version of the 111.

 

DG

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4 on the line in Chicago this weekend, should be fun.

 

 

curious...how did Misty fair? top 2 or bottom 2?

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Just received my IRC Standard cert. 1.103

Contact at USSailing said out of 5 J/111's with IRC ratings in US, this is the 4th slowest rating.

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Arabella 1.091 (UK boat which I am sure has been set up efficiently rating wise with input form J-UK)

J-Xcentric 1.096 (Dutch boat)

 

goblew - that's quite a spread from your rating 12 pips or 40 seconds an hour

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.. snip ..

 

True. I still have nightmares each time I go below. The dealer said that they could pimp my ride a bit to make it more homey, but then WTF do I do when I want to sell the thing in 10 years.... no buyers for a Winnebago version of the 111.

 

DG

 

If you are going to keep the boat even 5 years do what you want with it, if (when) the OD is established they'll be a long line of people who'll bite your arm off for it. The UK boat has heating, are a few mods going to add that much weight ? Let's face it j-boats aren't built to a minimum with corrector weights added are they ? As I posted before the French builder was discussing some interior mods at the London Boat Show.

 

EDIT: Stephane's site shows the European boat with a simple headlining and an oven, IMHO very good ideas and exactly what I'd ask for if I could afford one ! The seat covers I'm not so keen on,they hold moisture and need covers offshore. Stephan's site says the boat is going to a Swiss owner.

 

European Build #1

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The first French owner Stephane Blanchard hull #54 (who was very successful in his 105) has been updating his webite, some interesting info (google translate) and photos of the European production line plus a number of the videos from UK and US.

 

Le Jouet

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i would have thought that the boat in the pictures is Quicksilver but thats just what i would have thought seeing as it's silver. interesting to see they've gone with a different pulpit, I quite liked the other.

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i would have thought that the boat in the pictures is Quicksilver but thats just what i would have thought seeing as it's silver. interesting to see they've gone with a different pulpit, I quite liked the other.

 

 

What's changed - the "lower bar" - ORC compliance ?

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Arabella 1.091 (UK boat which I am sure has been set up efficiently rating wise with input form J-UK)

J-Xcentric 1.096 (Dutch boat)

 

goblew - that's quite a spread from your rating 12 pips or 40 seconds an hour

yeah, but i was told by JBoats that Arabella modified their sprit dimension to benefit the rating. i was surprised as well, even more so that there are 3 others in the US that are rated faster.

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The first French owner Stephane Blanchard hull #54 (who was very successful in his 105) has been updating his webite, some interesting info (google translate) and photos of the European production line plus a number of the videos from UK and US.

 

Le Jouet

 

Hello,

 

the #2 Europe, is sailing in Pornic France http://lejouet.eu/Bateaux_eu/Alphalink.htm

Le Jouet will be delivery only half July

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I watched Andiamo and Wicked 2.0 plane by at NYYC Annual Regatta yesterday in 15-20 kts. Looking like lots of fun.

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I watched Andiamo and Wicked 2.0 plane by at NYYC Annual Regatta yesterday in 15-20 kts. Looking like lots of fun.

 

 

LH

 

Give us some details on what you saw of the 111's on the course. Conditions? SPeed relative to 122's upwind and downwind?

 

Thanks

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I watched Andiamo and Wicked 2.0 plane by at NYYC Annual Regatta yesterday in 15-20 kts. Looking like lots of fun.

 

 

LH

 

Give us some details on what you saw of the 111's on the course. Conditions? SPeed relative to 122's upwind and downwind?

 

Thanks

 

I cannot as I was paying more attention to our performance than the other fleets to give an accurate reply.

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I watched Andiamo and Wicked 2.0 plane by at NYYC Annual Regatta yesterday in 15-20 kts. Looking like lots of fun.

 

 

LH

 

Give us some details on what you saw of the 111's on the course. Conditions? SPeed relative to 122's upwind and downwind?

 

Thanks

 

I cannot as I was paying more attention to our performance than the other fleets to give an accurate reply.

 

There are some video recaps on the NYYC website, and it appeared the 111's and the 122's were mixing it up pretty well. I can't speak too much since I wasn't there, but it looked like the 111's were beating the 122's boat for boat in some races with the Summit 40 way out in front of everyone in their class.

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I watched Andiamo and Wicked 2.0 plane by at NYYC Annual Regatta yesterday in 15-20 kts. Looking like lots of fun.

 

 

LH

 

Give us some details on what you saw of the 111's on the course. Conditions? SPeed relative to 122's upwind and downwind?

 

Thanks

 

I cannot as I was paying more attention to our performance than the other fleets to give an accurate reply.

 

There are some video recaps on the NYYC website, and it appeared the 111's and the 122's were mixing it up pretty well. I can't speak too much since I wasn't there, but it looked like the 111's were beating the 122's boat for boat in some races with the Summit 40 way out in front of everyone in their class.

 

Sorry you guys couldn't be there. That IRC class seemed extremely tight.

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Arabella 1.091 (UK boat which I am sure has been set up efficiently rating wise with input form J-UK)

J-Xcentric 1.096 (Dutch boat)

 

goblew - that's quite a spread from your rating 12 pips or 40 seconds an hour

yeah, but i was told by JBoats that Arabella modified their sprit dimension to benefit the rating. i was surprised as well, even more so that there are 3 others in the US that are rated faster.

Modifying the bowsprit dimension means putting a jubilee clip round the pole to restrict the amount it can be extended. You remove it for OD - takes 5 mins. Clip is covered in tape to protect the boat. In my experience restricting the extension by about a foot / 30cm is worth 0.001 or 0.002 depending upon the boat.

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Got a chance to sail the 111 in modest to slightly heavier air this weekend. Needless to say, she sails straight and true and is a true performer.

 

Here was what I noted:

 

Main trim was simple and easy - even in 20 knots, the system worked well with no issues with the gross/fine tune.

I found it easiest to crack the fine tune prior to tack, throwing the line to the leeward side, grabbing and cleating the new windward traveler and then sheeting on with fine tune.

Need max backstay in 18 knots+

Need to vang sheet upwind in 15 knots +

Not much twist needed in main to keep boat under control.

Traveler was easy to use, very comfortable for the trimmer.

Used #1 headsail until 10 knots, #2 headsail to 15, #3 for 15+. Didn't feel that we gave up too much with #3 in 13 to 15 knots.

Helm was comfortable, with plenty of leverage using the big wheel. Very comfortable steering when sitting or standing, with no issues seeing the tales on the headsail.

The tacking angle was incredible. Thinking we were taking through 60 to 62 degrees in good breeze, and was shocked in the amount of distance we put on the competition at each windward layline.

We were seeing 7.1 to 7.3 knots BS upwind in 17 knots TWS, flat water.

We weren't used to sailing hotter angles downwind - the boat still sailed well deep downwind, 165/170 AWA, with big kite rotation. Saw 8 to 11 BS in 13 to 19 knots TWS downwind. I thought we were a bit slow by sailing too deep.

You should not gybe the max runner in any breeze while the tack line is eased. Must be snugged prior to gybe. Found that easing tack line 18 to 24 inches downwind worked well while running.

Bring long winch handles.

Fine tune on main totally snug during gybes, traveler pinned in middle downwind.

Was surprised at the amount of helm with the max VMG kite in 22 to 24 knots, digging deep. Boat felt like it was going to round up. Most likely a trimming issue.

Felt that in 22 to 24 knots, we should have seen more than 12.2 knots... still felt 'bound up'.

Furler won't fully unfurl with heavy halyard - not a surprise.

Boat wasn't terribly weight sensitive.

 

I liked it. Who wouldn't. Any other comments from those who know a lot more than me about this contraption?

 

Good times.

 

DG

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Felt that in 22 to 24 knots, we should have seen more than 12.2 knots... still felt 'bound up'.

 

DG

 

This boat needs to sail hot angles, she will get up and break lose at those wind speeds, sail way past its rating. You sail as hot an angle as still increases speed and you can hold without wiping out. This is not your father's 105. Low 'n slow, is not for this design. Not a direct comparison, but we put distance on a SC37 that was sailing a much lower course down wind than we were, not to mention that this boat has 2 feet of water line on us.

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In the NOOD this weekend we hit 14.5kts in a 17 kt gust. Clearly would have been going alot faster in 22+. We passed a 1D35 that started 5 minutes earlier.

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So whats the plan for Block Island Race Week? I see the 3 111's are in 3 different classes - PHRF, IRC 35 and IRC 40 :blink:

 

Partnership had smaller sail(s) made. The rest (3 or 4) should be in the same class - which hasn't been determined yet.

 

And ... the answer is PHRF1 out on the Jboat course.

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Are you furling the jib prior to the kite filling?

 

Or, are you sailing a hot angle right out of the hoist and the kite should be full prior to dousing the headsail?

 

What's the preference?

 

DG

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Are you furling the jib prior to the kite filling?

 

Or, are you sailing a hot angle right out of the hoist and the kite should be full prior to dousing the headsail?

 

What's the preference?

 

DG

 

Preference is to bring the headsail down as fast as you can once the kite is up.

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Are you furling the jib prior to the kite filling?

 

Or, are you sailing a hot angle right out of the hoist and the kite should be full prior to dousing the headsail?

 

What's the preference?

 

DG

 

Preference is to bring the headsail down as fast as you can once the kite is up.

 

 

What Mental did in the Chicago Noods this weekend was...

Hoist chute

Ease jib completely

Then when kite fills roll jib up.

 

BTW: we have the collapsible horizontal battens on the jib (Doyle). They work really well. Much better than the horizontal battens we had on the J109 5 years ago. Those sucked.

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Are you furling the jib prior to the kite filling?

 

Or, are you sailing a hot angle right out of the hoist and the kite should be full prior to dousing the headsail?

 

What's the preference?

 

DG

 

Preference is to bring the headsail down as fast as you can once the kite is up.

 

 

What Mental did in the Chicago Noods this weekend was...

Hoist chute

Ease jib completely

Then when kite fills roll jib up.

 

BTW: we have the collapsible horizontal battens on the jib (Doyle). They work really well. Much better than the horizontal battens we had on the J109 5 years ago. Those sucked.

 

Thanks!

 

Anyone have the polars from the boat by chance? It would be very helpful for us.

 

Thanks again.

 

DG

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BTW: we have the collapsible horizontal battens on the jib (Doyle). They work really well. Much better than the horizontal battens we had on the J109 5 years ago. Those sucked.

 

Once you try vertical batterns you'll never go back ! I cannot think of a single J-Boat in the UK with the roll-able horizontal batterns - I had them for a while and they sucked, they are poor for sail shape, don't furl well, they don't last long and they are expensive. The vertical ones are a bit of a hassle when changing jibs but the benefits outweigh the negatives.

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BTW: we have the collapsible horizontal battens on the jib (Doyle). They work really well. Much better than the horizontal battens we had on the J109 5 years ago. Those sucked.

 

Once you try vertical batterns you'll never go back ! I cannot think of a single J-Boat in the UK with the roll-able horizontal batterns - I had them for a while and they sucked, they are poor for sail shape, don't furl well, they don't last long and they are expensive. The vertical ones are a bit of a hassle when changing jibs but the benefits outweigh the negatives.

 

I had just saved a picture of those Doyle jibs to show to North in Cape Town... I really hate the vertical battens but want to keep the furling ability on my 105. Since moving the boat to Cape Town we have used our No 4 jib more in the last 6 months than in the 3 years prior as it's often blowing over 25-30kts true. Its a real pain to take down the no 3 with those long battens to hoist the no 4... Oh well, we can at least dream can't we?

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Are you furling the jib prior to the kite filling?

 

Or, are you sailing a hot angle right out of the hoist and the kite should be full prior to dousing the headsail?

 

What's the preference?

 

DG

 

Preference is to bring the headsail down as fast as you can once the kite is up.

 

 

What Mental did in the Chicago Noods this weekend was...

Hoist chute

Ease jib completely

Then when kite fills roll jib up.

 

BTW: we have the collapsible horizontal battens on the jib (Doyle). They work really well. Much better than the horizontal battens we had on the J109 5 years ago. Those sucked.

 

I was told that over 12kts or so, doesn't hurt leaving out the jib.... haven't really had a chance to try this yet, as we've only seen light winds since I launched the boat.

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Are you furling the jib prior to the kite filling?

 

Or, are you sailing a hot angle right out of the hoist and the kite should be full prior to dousing the headsail?

 

What's the preference?

 

DG

 

Preference is to bring the headsail down as fast as you can once the kite is up.

 

 

What Mental did in the Chicago Noods this weekend was...

Hoist chute

Ease jib completely

Then when kite fills roll jib up.

 

BTW: we have the collapsible horizontal battens on the jib (Doyle). They work really well. Much better than the horizontal battens we had on the J109 5 years ago. Those sucked.

 

I was told that over 12kts or so, doesn't hurt leaving out the jib.... haven't really had a chance to try this yet, as we've only seen light winds since I launched the boat.

 

Is that in lieu of a staysail?

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Is that in lieu of a staysail?

 

Jib interferes greatly with the flying of the kite, you can observe that just by trying it. We have staysail up usually when breeze gets up over 13 kts sustained. Staysail is smaller and much farther in/removed from the kite, hence less interference.

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Is that in lieu of a staysail?

 

Jib interferes greatly with the flying of the kite, you can observe that just by trying it. We have staysail up usually when breeze gets up over 13 kts sustained. Staysail is smaller and much farther in/removed from the kite, hence less interference.

 

Anyone have polars/targets?

 

DG

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Are you furling the jib prior to the kite filling?

 

Or, are you sailing a hot angle right out of the hoist and the kite should be full prior to dousing the headsail?

 

What's the preference?

 

DG

 

Preference is to bring the headsail down as fast as you can once the kite is up.

 

 

What Mental did in the Chicago Noods this weekend was...

Hoist chute

Ease jib completely

Then when kite fills roll jib up.

 

BTW: we have the collapsible horizontal battens on the jib (Doyle). They work really well. Much better than the horizontal battens we had on the J109 5 years ago. Those sucked.

 

I was told that over 12kts or so, doesn't hurt leaving out the jib.... haven't really had a chance to try this yet, as we've only seen light winds since I launched the boat.

 

 

It is a pretty short sprit so I would think that it needs to be up in the twenties before the jib won't kill the flow (and then it might still even at higher wind speeds)

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See a J111 had a very respectable result under IRC in this weekends Round The Island Race - Shmoking Joe posted a 1st in class, group and 6th overall IRC. As normal with this race class/group result is more relevant due to the tidal influence, but the o/a result is very impressive for a mid rated boat.

 

Don't know if it's the boats first outing, but haven't heard of it on the south coast before. Anyone got any info?

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See a J111 had a very respectable result under IRC in this weekends Round The Island Race - Shmoking Joe posted a 1st in class, group and 6th overall IRC. As normal with this race class/group result is more relevant due to the tidal influence, but the o/a result is very impressive for a mid rated boat.

 

Don't know if it's the boats first outing, but haven't heard of it on the south coast before. Anyone got any info?

 

it had been in the water less than a week and is brand new, btw small boats usually win this race every year because they get more favourable tides in the race so for a big boat to go out and get 6th is outstanding and by comparison the ker 40 finished 48th with ben ainslie sharing the helming

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The J111 Shmoking Joe had been in the water a day prior to the RTI having literally just arrived from the factory ! Interestingly the owners prior yacht was a J90 (Hull #1 unfortunately destroyed by a de-humid fire).

 

Anecdotal reports are that the Ker 40 would have placed a lot better had it not blown all their kites in repeated broaches, a plus for the J111 is that she broached only a handful of times and was back on her feet quickly without sail damage.

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Anecdotal reports are that the Ker 40 would have placed a lot better had it not blown all their kites in repeated broaches...

 

If Ainslie can't hold it downwind, what hope for mere mortals....? rolleyes.gifrolleyes.giftongue.gif

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Indeed, on the Myth of Malham it was a dead run in 25-35 knots and the Ker did well, I wonder if the RTI was more of a kite reach ?

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From theJ-Boats newsletter

 

J/Community

What friends, alumni and crew of J/Boats are doing worldwide

 

* SHMOKING JOE- So Young Yet So Fast! Here’s Paul Heys’ report on what it was like to sail a brand-spanking new J/111 in that famous Round Island Race (Isle of Wight): “The new J 111 # 20 arrived a little late from the builders yard J Composite of Les Sables D’Ollonne, France. J Composite had originally hoped to begin delivery of J 111’s in April. However in an effort to refine the details of the boat and to “industrialise” the production line so that the boats could be built more accurately, quickly and profitably, more time was taken and hull 1 for Switzerland was only delivered early in May, Hull 2 went to the French Atlantic Coast, Hull 3 was commissioned at the new Key Yachting Scotland base on the Clyde, Hull 4 from France and # 20 of the overall model run, was to be the new Shmoking Joe.

Shmoking Joe is a replacement for the J 90 hull # 1 Joe 90, which since its launch in 1998 had achieved massive success. Sadly a dehumidifier fire caused massive structural damage to Joe 90 last Autumn.

The late delivery of the J 111’s meant that the boats maiden regatta kept changing until 10 days ago, it seemed just possible that she would make the Round the Island race which would run on June 25th.

J Composite told us to send the truck in to collect the boat on the 22nd which would result in a delivery to Hamble on Thursday 23rd giving us 2 days to fit electronics and rig and commission her. Then on Wednesday a new problem: the boat was ready the trucker was not. Delayed on another job he would only arrive at the Yard in Les Sables after normal business hours on the 22nd. The yard stepped in and stayed late to get her loaded, ready to roll on Thursday at first light.

With new wide load restrictions in place in France, the trip to the ferry port in Caen took all day Thursday, so we now had a new eta at Hamble of 0700 Friday. This ratcheted up the pressure another few notches.

Pacing the yard like a bunch of expectant fathers at 7 the next morning were the Commissioning team, not knowing that the hauliers had one more delay for us… they had to change tractor units and finally rolled in the door at 8 am. This was 21 hours before she would have to leave the dock for the start of the race.

Now the experience of all involved kicked in, under the watchful eye of Duncan Mcdonald one of the two owners, the Tacktick transducer was mounted with the boat on the truck and in the water she went. The engine fired, the Volvo guys jumped on to inspect and the rig was stepped and dock tuned, 8 guys worked hard that day to install, commission, calibrate, test and inspect.

It went well: the rigging lengths were millimeter perfect, the mast wedge was a little on the tight side, the Tacktick gear fired up first time.

At 4pm after an 8 hr shift we were ready for the sails. 5pm as planned a week earlier, we left the dock on the maiden voyage, to find 20 knots in Southampton Water up went the main…. Perfect fit, then the J3 and we were off. Duncan on the helm, his longtime friend and shipmate Kevin Sproul monitoring the sails produced by his Ultimate loft.

How’s the rig Kev? It looks great on starboard, lets check it on port. How’s it look on port Kev, perfect. What?? No change required? No the tune put on the dock is absolutely bang on!

6.30 back on the dock, ace electrical Paul Knights was waiting for us with a new chart plotter that had been rushed down from Winchester. Plug her in fire it up. Bingo we are now ready to race.

8pm co owner and fellow medic Phil Thomas arrives from the operating theatre with the safety gear. The team retire to the bar or bed !

RACE DAY- The forecast was showing a 20-25 knot South Westerly, off the dock at 5:15 motor 100 yds.. Where is the navigator? He was first on board at 4.30 now he’s gone missing, back in to the dock to the amusement of our fellow J sailors. Robin ambles down, we hustle him on board, gun it and go.

Duncan makes the introductions, not only a brand new boat but a bunch of people that have not sailed together, however it is a strong team. Duncan allocated the roles, Kevin is to helm for the start and the first part of the beat.

Putting our nose round Calshot and entering the Solent it is clear that the forecast is correct, Kevin calls for the code 3 jib and the code 3 spinnaker, these would be the sails we use all day.

Racing in the Solent, playing the tide is critical, and as ever on this race you want to start in the favourable tide which is strongest on the island Shore.

There are several hundred boats on the start line a great many of them much larger than us. Kevin won us a nice front row start, however not wanting to get gassed by the bigger faster-to-windward boats we initially played the middle of the course trading some tidal advantage for clean air.

Making good progress in the front 10-15% of the fleet, a huge bang resulted in the jib dropping half a metre, as the mast foot halyard block exploded and disappeared. Stuart Miller our commissioning guru had expressed his view that the 6mm pins were inadequate, I had given him my light-boat=light-loads response. Stuart was correct. We re-reeved the halyard through the reef line block and set out to regain the 3 or 4 places lost in the incident. We clamped vise grips to the jib and main halyard blocks to prevent them splaying and a re-occurrence.

Fast progress was made on the beat down the Solent and as the traffic thinned we started to make progress on the pack of 39-43 footers that surrounded us, we arrived at the Needles about 10th of our group.

Bearing away for St Catherines point, the wind was now blowing the forecast 25kts and at 110 true, too far forward for a kite, so with the jib on an outboard lead we set off with the boat-speed around 12 knots.

Moving away from the Needles a bay opens up, we expected that this topography would allow the wind to back in addition to allowing more sea room to drive off in the puffs.

The code 3 spi was set the crew was shuffled aft and we took off, sailing at 140 true was as hot as we could go, the layline for St Catherines point was marginal. Spinnakers went up on the boats in front, at least on those equipped with A sails. Shmoking Joe was now full living up to her name smoking through our own fleet as well as the sportsboats and the slower end of the multihulls and larger IRC boats that had started ahead of us.

Kevin was giving a masterclass of downwind steering when he started to complain about slack in the steering system, yes the brand new cables were stretching in. Hanging upside down in the lazarette whilst the boat is doing 17 knots, trying to adjust cables on a rapidly moving quadrant is a great new game, throw in the fact that there is not enough room to use a normal length spanner makes the game impossible. Those lock nuts could not be moved. Wedging a small spanner between the lock nuts and the quadrant and taping it in place, reduced the play sufficiently to make the helmsman happy.

Less than half the course gone and 2 vise grips and a spanner in permanent use, the tool-bag is starting to look empty!

Being unable to weather St Catherines and with a closing speed of 15 knots we doused the chute with half a mile to go, heading up onto a 2 sail reach it felt like we were parked, yep we are down to a miserly 12 knots.

We expected the wind to accelerate around the point and were not disappointed. 25 became 30 and as we bore away it came much further aft.

Just as we were about to re-hoist, a trimaran pitchpoled a 100 metres to weather, as the closest boat we radioed a Mayday, whilst in dialogue with the coastguard, a spectator RIB arrived and took over the situation so we were free to blast on. Now able to sail at a TWA of 155 and with the extra pressure of 30 knots we took off, long bursts of the high teens were capped by a 22.5 peak, just a tenth slower than I had seen on the J 111 sistership Arabella. We absolutely smoked past all around, nobody passed us.

It was very much on the edge sailing and fantastic fun, we broached three times in total, blowing the spi halyard got us back on our feet and we were able to re-hoist and carry on each time.

At this stage we were pretty sure that we were leading our class, as we rounded the leeward mark at Bembridge we were in company with an Oyster 82, a Class 40 and some big multihulls, all of which had started before us.

The leg from Bembridge into the Solent was a flat water fetch, the wind was still in the 20’s. Hardening up for the 7 mile beat home, we traded tacks with a 28 ft tri and stepped away from a class 40. We could see the second boat in our fleet Tokoloshe some 5 minutes behind and knew that she would be eating into our lead and so it proved, Tokoloshe finished 3 minutes behind us which increased to 10 minutes when the handicaps were applied.

Upon arriving ashore we found that we had won both our class and our 125 boat group and initially were lying 3rd overall sandwiched between 2 TP 52’s. Later in the day, as the small boats arrived carrying favourable tide, a Contessa 26 took the top prize and we were shuffled down to 6th out of the whole IRC fleet of 450 boats. A very good maiden race.

Now we can get the boat out of the water, do the bottom job, have here weighed and measured for an endorsed rating and look forward to more high octane days. Cheers, Paul Heys

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........Now we can get the boat out of the water, do the bottom job, have here weighed and measured for an endorsed rating and look forward to more high octane days. Cheers, Paul Heys[/i]

 

How to win your class in the RTI in 2 simple steps.

 

1. Buy a new boat, preferably a new design, from Paul Heys and arrange for it to be delivered just before the race.

2. Make sure Paul is on board.

 

He seems to make a habit of that!

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See a J111 had a very respectable result under IRC in this weekends Round The Island Race - Shmoking Joe posted a 1st in class, group and 6th overall IRC. As normal with this race class/group result is more relevant due to the tidal influence, but the o/a result is very impressive for a mid rated boat.

 

Don't know if it's the boats first outing, but haven't heard of it on the south coast before. Anyone got any info?

 

it had been in the water less than a week and is brand new, btw small boats usually win this race every year because they get more favourable tides in the race so for a big boat to go out and get 6th is outstanding and by comparison the ker 40 finished 48th with ben ainslie sharing the helming

 

Yep, fully aware that small boats (IRC 0.800 ish) normally do well, and that if isn't a small boat its likely to be a TP52 (IRC 1.300 ish) or similar. Which is why the result is so impressive for a 'mid rated' boat.

I'd still be more pleased with 1st in class/group as to my way of thinking thats a more relevant comparison than the 6th overall in a tidally stacked race. She had the largest IRC group (and so I guess class as well) winning margin , which further underlines the acheivement after being afloat for 24 hours.

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........Now we can get the boat out of the water, do the bottom job, have here weighed and measured for an endorsed rating and look forward to more high octane days. Cheers, Paul Heys[/i]

 

How to win your class in the RTI in 2 simple steps.

 

1. Buy a new boat, preferably a new design, from Paul Heys and arrange for it to be delivered just before the race.

2. Make sure Paul is on board.

 

He seems to make a habit of that!

 

Duncan McDonald, Kevin Sproul and Phil Thomas have pretty impressive sailing CV's too.

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Hello

l am Stephane my site is www.lejouet.eu

my J111 is the number 8 Europe arriving in two weeks biggrin.gif

i try to make a listing for J111 racing in Europe

 

Could you please comment on a few of the modifications that you have made to your 111?

 

Thanks.

 

DG

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dickie

 

If you look through his site you'll see the photos of the first European built boat, the mods are to the interior and are consistent with the discussion I had with the builder and agent at the London Boat Show in January (headlining, oven etc). I don't know if Stephane has made additional mods. The French scene tends to be a mix of inshore W/L, passage races and offshore - for example the French J105 nationals used to include a 100 mile overnight race which would start after a day of W/L without going ashore. Stephane was aiming for Tour du Finisitere (Tourduf) which is a week long passage race event where you sleep on the boat at the stopovers each night.

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l want to stay in the monotypie mind.

No big difference Just options from J Boat;

2nd spinnaker halyard with barber for fractional halyard use

1 aft quarter berth on portside in place of storage

Cushions & curtains in DIFFERENT material than the standard

 

You can see it in the option Tarif

dickie

 

If you look through his site you'll see the photos of the first European built boat, the mods are to the interior and are consistent with the discussion I had with the builder and agent at the London Boat Show in January (headlining, oven etc). I don't know if Stephane has made additional mods. The French scene tends to be a mix of inshore W/L, passage races and offshore - for example the French J105 nationals used to include a 100 mile overnight race which would start after a day of W/L without going ashore. Stephane was aiming for Tour du Finisitere (Tourduf) which is a week long passage race event where you sleep on the boat at the stopovers each night.

TARIF J111 T11010511.pdf

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........Now we can get the boat out of the water, do the bottom job, have here weighed and measured for an endorsed rating and look forward to more high octane days. Cheers, Paul Heys[/i]

 

How to win your class in the RTI in 2 simple steps.

 

1. Buy a new boat, preferably a new design, from Paul Heys and arrange for it to be delivered just before the race.

2. Make sure Paul is on board.

 

He seems to make a habit of that!

 

Duncan McDonald, Kevin Sproul and Phil Thomas have pretty impressive sailing CV's too.

 

granted, but the number of times a brand new J has walked away with silverware in that race is rather impressive.

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An interesting piece from the Dutch J111 which completed the Fastnet 2 handed. I had a chance to speak to them in Plymouth and they had really enjoyed the event and the boat. The most interesting "setup" point was that they had a pole to pole out the jib in heavy winds, perhaps as they think two up the big kite would be too much in heavier air (not sure that's my speculation). They had a nice big PC screen on an articulating arm mounted at chart table and which they could see from cockpit (i've seen similar fitted to an offshore orientated J105). Otherwise she looked very much a standard boat.

 

J111 2/Handed Fastnet

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The euro boys can chime in but based on RTI, Cowes Week and Fastnet it seems very much like the IRC machine - at least in the conditions over there... Unlike a J109 it seems to have some get up and go.

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The euro boys can chime in but based on RTI, Cowes Week and Fastnet it seems very much like the IRC machine - at least in the conditions over there... Unlike a J109 it seems to have some get up and go.

For passage racing yes. For windward leeward less so

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Yes, but It loves windy conditions, the RTI and Cowes week were both very windy events. I'm going to say I don't believe it is an IRC machine, in the same way as a lot of boats would have done well these weeks but are generally middle fleet the rest of the time. But im hoping it does pick up for one design here.

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Saw the latest J111 in the water yesterday about to be handed over to her new owner. That's 4 sailing here now. Arabella, Schmoking Joe, Jemga V and Munkenbeck.

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Saw the latest J111 in the water yesterday about to be handed over to her new owner. That's 4 sailing here now. Arabella, Schmoking Joe, Jemga V and Munkenbeck.

 

Does the new Munkenbeck sport the same distinct look as the old 109 did?

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Saw the latest J111 in the water yesterday about to be handed over to her new owner. That's 4 sailing here now. Arabella, Schmoking Joe, Jemga V and Munkenbeck.

 

Does the new Munkenbeck sport the same distinct look as the old 109 did?

 

yep but it looks better than the 109

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Saw the latest J111 in the water yesterday about to be handed over to her new owner. That's 4 sailing here now. Arabella, Schmoking Joe, Jemga V and Munkenbeck.

 

Does the new Munkenbeck sport the same distinct look as the old 109 did?

 

yep but it looks better than the 109

 

Cool. Always good to see a boat that's not just white.

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Saw the latest J111 in the water yesterday about to be handed over to her new owner. That's 4 sailing here now. Arabella, Schmoking Joe, Jemga V and Munkenbeck.

 

Does the new Munkenbeck sport the same distinct look as the old 109 did?

 

yep but it looks better than the 109

 

Cool. Always good to see a boat that's not just white.

 

Can you help us with a prospective of what the 109 looked like? I love interesting paint jobs...

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Saw the latest J111 in the water yesterday about to be handed over to her new owner. That's 4 sailing here now. Arabella, Schmoking Joe, Jemga V and Munkenbeck.

 

Does the new Munkenbeck sport the same distinct look as the old 109 did?

 

yep but it looks better than the 109

 

I would agree, the lower freeboard of the J111 hides the 'orrible silver foil better ! I bought the J109 and my first request was to remove the foil, it took a whole week to remove it as it dis-integrated. The upside is that the gelcoat was immaculate.

 

EDIT: Images of the 109 in it's original trim on the owners website (he's an architect) J109 Munkenbeck

 

The black painted mast, boom and sprit I do like - I really think the boat looks better in white

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you remember in the film Die Another Day they have the aston martin that vanishes; well if you squint it looks like the hull is invisible :o

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That's some teasing stuff there. One pic, no story and no results.

 

Wind 12 building to 20 kts, 29.5 mile course, 320 +/- TWD, 220 Course, 4-6ft waves building, finish 3hr 24min for the section win. Night Hawk (pictured above) finished 8 min behind. To be fair they took us in the 50.5 mile crossing (3-10kt) on Friday night by 11 min.

 

We had the Code 0 up for a few and saw 10-12 kts but it drove us low of course, rolled it and went with the jib 8-10+.

 

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Saw the latest J111 in the water yesterday about to be handed over to her new owner. That's 4 sailing here now. Arabella, Schmoking Joe, Jemga V and Munkenbeck.

 

Does the new Munkenbeck sport the same distinct look as the old 109 did?

 

yep but it looks better than the 109

 

I would agree, the lower freeboard of the J111 hides the 'orrible silver foil better ! I bought the J109 and my first request was to remove the foil, it took a whole week to remove it as it dis-integrated. The upside is that the gelcoat was immaculate.

 

EDIT: Images of the 109 in it's original trim on the owners website (he's an architect) J109 Munkenbeck

 

The black painted mast, boom and sprit I do like - I really think the boat looks better in white

 

 

Good god.... That is... loud...

 

 

 

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That's some teasing stuff there. One pic, no story and no results.

 

Wind 12 building to 20 kts, 29.5 mile course, 320 +/- TWD, 220 Course, 4-6ft waves building, finish 3hr 24min for the section win. Night Hawk (pictured above) finished 8 min behind. To be fair they took us in the 50.5 mile crossing (3-10kt) on Friday night by 11 min.

 

We had the Code 0 up for a few and saw 10-12 kts but it drove us low of course, rolled it and went with the jib 8-10+.

 

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Thanks, Tease over.

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12345 - sounds like a Jib Top would have suited you better then. I bet the 111 would fly with a JT with a hiking crew or indeed 2-handed.

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12345 - sounds like a Jib Top would have suited you better then. I bet the 111 would fly with a JT with a hiking crew or indeed 2-handed.

 

A JT would have been nice to play with, that said we did still win our section.

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12345 - sounds like a Jib Top would have suited you better then. I bet the 111 would fly with a JT with a hiking crew or indeed 2-handed.

 

It's interesting that you've come to this conclusion as well. In my experience with J/111's, both first hand and from other peoples opinions, it sounds like when power reaching in moderate (say 8+) knots of breeze where you'd be overpowered with a kite that a Jib Top or reachy cut Code Zero would be an adequate solution. For instance in this years Around BI race we were very overpowered with an A1/3 strapped in as high as it would go in only 9-10 knots of breeze. I suspect that in 10+ knots of breeze and above a Jib Top would be the right sail to have in order to keep the boat on its feet and going fast during hard reaching conditions where otherwise, with a kite, you'd be heeling over a LOT and digging a big, slow, hole through the water. This seems to be the picture painted by the various distance racing 111's around who have experienced hard reaching conditions with a kite up such as Blast in the Marblehead to Halifax Race (who rounded up numerous times in 12 kts just off the beam while trying to carry a kite), the account above and my personal experience with the boat.

 

The other option I've been hearing about, not related to any 111 program, is a Code 00 that was developed by UK Halsey and is designed to fly in heavier or closer air than a Code Zero which would be an interesting thing to investigate for a 111. http://www.ukhalsey.com/LearningCenter/article.asp?id=601&loft=93

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To fly it properly, the boat has to have a strope installed (like in the UK photo) or the pole will snap as the luff is tensioned like a genoa and under much more pressure than with a regular A-sail. Won't work on the 111. There is no reason to round up on the 111 unless the helmsman was inexperienced.

 

This is one of the few times I do agree with you. The pole is very whippy on this boat and a properly sized bobstay (so it's boned tight at max extention) is a must even for simple W