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Pole deflection

 

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Also seen on Invisible Hand in SF Bay. Hermetic/Ragbag... did Andiamo/Invisible Hand ever go with a bobstay of sorts?

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Pole deflection

Yeah, that's some major league bend. Luff tension has to be ginormous! The most I've seen is more like the photo of Invisible Hand which I didn't think significant for an 8 foot sprit. One could also just shorten the pole length. For a Code 0, probably would not make much diff in performance.

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Pole deflection

 

k9y27.jpg

 

Also seen on Invisible Hand in SF Bay. Hermetic/Ragbag... did Andiamo/Invisible Hand ever go with a bobstay of sorts?

 

 

Ran out of time to get it installed prior to NYYC/Block. On the winter list.

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Ran out of time to get it installed prior to NYYC/Block. On the winter list.

 

Right on.

 

With all of these examples above, there is even more upward force with a taught, close angle Code Zero.

 

You are correct and more than anything this is why some boats are going with the bobstay. There's also significant "in" force on the end of the pole from a fully loaded up zero that needs to be contended with.

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wasn't there one 111 that had a short fixed sprit for the code 0? also shortening the pole wouldn't be the best solution because that would put the tack of the sail off centre

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Invisible Hand has a short 'Prod" for flying the Code-0. The pole doesn't allow the Code-0 to fly on center line unless your at full extension which is way to far out for a tack point of a Code-0 on the J/111 (at least based on our sailmakers design) and would require a bobstay.

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Invisible Hand has a short 'Prod" for flying the Code-0. The pole doesn't allow the Code-0 to fly on center line unless your at full extension which is way to far out for a tack point of a Code-0 on the J/111 (at least based on our sailmakers design) and would require a bobstay.

 

We used our North C0 at the start of the mac and we were able to go at least 1.5 knots faster than the rest of our section with regular kites up. We fit a removable bobstay that is critical to making the C0 work on our fully extended pole. Once we figured it out, the bobstay was a very easy setup, requiring just a hole just opposite the existing drain hole in the anchor locker.

 

Here is video of it from SA at the start - http://www.justin.tv/onthewateranarchy/b/290331682 Go to about 37 minutes in.

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Ran out of time to get it installed prior to NYYC/Block. On the winter list.

 

Right on.

 

With all of these examples above, there is even more upward force with a taught, close angle Code Zero.

 

You are correct and more than anything this is why some boats are going with the bobstay. There's also significant "in" force on the end of the pole from a fully loaded up zero that needs to be contended with.

 

 

I assume everyone is talking about using a bob stay for non class events and distance racing, correct? Is there talk of making bobstays class legal, as I'm sure the rules are still in the adoption phase. Any extra reinforcement needed for the hole in the bow?

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Invisible Hand has a short 'Prod" for flying the Code-0. The pole doesn't allow the Code-0 to fly on center line unless your at full extension which is way to far out for a tack point of a Code-0 on the J/111 (at least based on our sailmakers design) and would require a bobstay.

pole halfway back would put it off center by what, maybe 3 or 4 inches? would that really make much difference in performance from one tack to the other? I wouldn't think so. my sailmaker doesn't think so. I'd like to keep the boat as simple as possible and not have to worry about attaching/removing bobstay's all the time.

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Invisible Hand has a short 'Prod" for flying the Code-0. The pole doesn't allow the Code-0 to fly on center line unless your at full extension which is way to far out for a tack point of a Code-0 on the J/111 (at least based on our sailmakers design) and would require a bobstay.

pole halfway back would put it off center by what, maybe 3 or 4 inches? would that really make much difference in performance from one tack to the other? I wouldn't think so. my sailmaker doesn't think so. I'd like to keep the boat as simple as possible and not have to worry about attaching/removing bobstay's all the time.

 

Agree that 3 - 4" won't make much of a difference - but when you deploy a 0 you want to grind it up w/o backstay, then pump the backstay to set the luff. Without a bobstay even the retracted pole will bend, defeating the purpose of the 0.

 

The boat is simple as shit, and if all you have to worry about is removing the bobstay for class racing - doesn't seem too harsh.

 

By the way - another 111 with a fully extended pole / bobstay designed 0 will be faster than a half extended pole design.

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I'm pretty sure the first UK 111 put a purchase arrangement on the forepeak end of the pole out line. I think the idea was to crank it on after the pole was set to increase the compression acting against the bobstay - don't know how effective it would be given that once the poles out there's not much 'slack' to take up...

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Invisible Hand has a short 'Prod" for flying the Code-0. The pole doesn't allow the Code-0 to fly on center line unless your at full extension which is way to far out for a tack point of a Code-0 on the J/111 (at least based on our sailmakers design) and would require a bobstay.

pole halfway back would put it off center by what, maybe 3 or 4 inches? would that really make much difference in performance from one tack to the other? I wouldn't think so. my sailmaker doesn't think so. I'd like to keep the boat as simple as possible and not have to worry about attaching/removing bobstay's all the time.

 

Agree that 3 - 4" won't make much of a difference - but when you deploy a 0 you want to grind it up w/o backstay, then pump the backstay to set the luff. Without a bobstay even the retracted pole will bend, defeating the purpose of the 0.

 

The boat is simple as shit, and if all you have to worry about is removing the bobstay for class racing - doesn't seem too harsh.

 

By the way - another 111 with a fully extended pole / bobstay designed 0 will be faster than a half extended pole design.

 

Interesting comments about the C0. On hull 22 (MENTAL), we have a Code 0 that is set up to work about 18" to 24" extended. I figured a fully extended sprit would be be faster in some conditions, but not all.

 

Anyone have any comments about why a fully extended sprit would work better/worse? My feeling is that it would produce more helm especially when going to weather.

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Invisible Hand has a short 'Prod" for flying the Code-0. The pole doesn't allow the Code-0 to fly on center line unless your at full extension which is way to far out for a tack point of a Code-0 on the J/111 (at least based on our sailmakers design) and would require a bobstay.

pole halfway back would put it off center by what, maybe 3 or 4 inches? would that really make much difference in performance from one tack to the other? I wouldn't think so. my sailmaker doesn't think so. I'd like to keep the boat as simple as possible and not have to worry about attaching/removing bobstay's all the time.

 

Agree that 3 - 4" won't make much of a difference - but when you deploy a 0 you want to grind it up w/o backstay, then pump the backstay to set the luff. Without a bobstay even the retracted pole will bend, defeating the purpose of the 0.

 

The boat is simple as shit, and if all you have to worry about is removing the bobstay for class racing - doesn't seem too harsh.

 

By the way - another 111 with a fully extended pole / bobstay designed 0 will be faster than a half extended pole design.

 

Interesting comments about the C0. On hull 22 (MENTAL), we have a Code 0 that is set up to work about 18" to 24" extended. I figured a fully extended sprit would be be faster in some conditions, but not all.

 

Anyone have any comments about why a fully extended sprit would work better/worse? My feeling is that it would produce more helm especially when going to weather.

 

Ed, Im no naval architect or sail designer, but I think since the center of effort moves more forward with the pole further out, there is less helm. We havent had problems with the helm with ours, except when the boat is completely overpowered we should be in the jib anyway.

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pole halfway back would put it off center by what, maybe 3 or 4 inches? would that really make much difference in performance from one tack to the other? I wouldn't think so. my sailmaker doesn't think so. I'd like to keep the boat as simple as possible and not have to worry about attaching/removing bobstay's all the time.
Well the design of the Hand's Code-0 has the tack about 1ft from the bow, so using the spinnaker pole would have put it well off center-line.

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pole halfway back would put it off center by what, maybe 3 or 4 inches? would that really make much difference in performance from one tack to the other? I wouldn't think so. my sailmaker doesn't think so. I'd like to keep the boat as simple as possible and not have to worry about attaching/removing bobstay's all the time.
Well the design of the Hand's Code-0 has the tack about 1ft from the bow, so using the spinnaker pole would have put it well off center-line.

At 1 foot from the bow, it would be too far off centerline.

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Looks like a new J111 getting commisioned at Grand Marina, Alameda, Ca. I think that makes 3 in the bay area.

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Looks like a new J111 getting commisioned at Grand Marina, Alameda, Ca. I think that makes 3 in the bay area.

#4 Invisible Hand, #17 Mad Men...is the new SF Bay boat #39?

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Looks like a new J111 getting commisioned at Grand Marina, Alameda, Ca. I think that makes 3 in the bay area.

#4 Invisible Hand, #17 Mad Men...is the new SF Bay boat #39?

 

 

Stopped by today and its gone.

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Looks like a new J111 getting commisioned at Grand Marina, Alameda, Ca. I think that makes 3 in the bay area.

#4 Invisible Hand, #17 Mad Men...is the new SF Bay boat #39?

 

 

Stopped by today and its gone.

 

I heard 2 more boats on order for a total of 4 on the Bay...

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The new J-Dream is a J111, arrived yesterday, pictures on owners facebook as of last night. The UK has had one boat a month since European production began. As my realtive sh1tter is at HYS I have seen 3 of them come in / get comissioned.

 

Arabella (US built boat) now for sale, owner has ordered another

Schmoking Joe

Jenga (agent's boat bought for stock, now for sale)

Munkenbeck and Partners

J-Dream

 

Plus I know of the Dutch boat which did the Fatsnet 2 handed and Stephane's in Pornic (recent recruit to SA and this thread)

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It's my list, visible on website Le Jouet.eu

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Cool. But (unfortunately) #18 isn't Blur. We're still racing the 109.

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Cool. But (unfortunately) #18 isn't Blur. We're still racing the 109.

I was "trying" to keep track of all the J-111 hulls & owners (finally threw in the towel). As we have #17 in SF, I recall (originally) you were going to get #18 but decided to keep your J109 "BLUR" for furhter expolits ;0)). BTW your new CarbonNautica wheel looks great! Not sure who filled the slot...but wasn't J 111 #18 the first J111 hull to be built in Europe?

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I was "trying" to keep track of all the J-111 hulls & owners (finally threw in the towel). As we have #17 in SF, I recall (originally) you were going to get #18 but decided to keep your J109 "BLUR" for furhter expolits ;0)). BTW your new CarbonNautica wheel looks great! Not sure who filled the slot...but wasn't J 111 #18 the first J111 hull to be built in Europe?

I'm not really sure why the European built boats have their own numbers starting from #1? Or is that just on http://www.lejouet.eu/?

International #18 was the first to be built in Europe and it seemes it went to Switzerland.

 

A couple af people up here in Scandinavia are interested in 111 so we'll see what happens...

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I was "trying" to keep track of all the J-111 hulls & owners (finally threw in the towel). As we have #17 in SF, I recall (originally) you were going to get #18 but decided to keep your J109 "BLUR" for furhter expolits ;0)). BTW your new CarbonNautica wheel looks great! Not sure who filled the slot...but wasn't J 111 #18 the first J111 hull to be built in Europe?

I'm not really sure why the European built boats have their own numbers starting from #1? Or is that just on http://www.lejouet.eu/?

International #18 was the first to be built in Europe and it seemes it went to Switzerland.

 

A couple af people up here in Scandinavia are interested in 111 so we'll see what happens...

Hmmm. Just went out the the Lejouet site...the boat KAIROS is listed as hull #1 (first European produced J-111) and appears to be in Switzerland in alignment with your comment. With respeoct to the nunmbering convention, I might speculate that the European built boats would have their own Europe specific serial/ hull numbers and not be coordinating with the US Mfg entity. With this said BLUR is listed on the site with #18 so Lejouet may be pulling from multiple data sources to access and publish info...

Great to hear about J-111 intetrest in Scandinavia. Are you still considering one in the future?

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J-boats have always used a single hull number system globally for each model. Series are reserved for US and Europe (and Asia in case of J80)

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Are you still considering one in the future?

Absolutely. Just need to sell the 109 :o

 

No real hurry since we're really up to speed and everything is in perfect shape. So I guess we'll have to race it real hard next season to get the price down...

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A solid 15 knot south westerly breeze and an outgoing tide made for great sailing off Castle Hill on this afternoon in early October. We picked a good day to do the filming. Without the key ingredients of good light and a steady breeze sailboat filming becomes quite a difficult and a challenging task, well I should say that it borders on a waste of time. But... This time we lucked out! Sit back and enjoy the ride!

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Great video.

 

More vang.

 

Less shitty music.

 

DG

 

Agreed, the downwind portion also got me thinking.........anyone try to roll out the jib to get her planing more easily? The pole seems to be long enough where this would be effective.

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Great video.

 

More vang.

 

Less shitty music.

 

DG

 

Agreed, the downwind portion also got me thinking.........anyone try to roll out the jib to get her planing more easily? The pole seems to be long enough where this would be effective.

+1 A staysail should be a great addition. Working great on the 109 and should do wonders on the 111.

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Great video.

 

More vang.

 

Less shitty music.

 

DG

 

Agreed, the downwind portion also got me thinking.........anyone try to roll out the jib to get her planing more easily? The pole seems to be long enough where this would be effective.

 

In testing there are boats which have found this to be an effective technique. I can't recall the specific numbers offhand but it's been seen that the jib unrolled (and led outboard to the rail ideally) has helped downwind and reaching performance.

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Great video.

 

More vang.

 

Less shitty music.

 

DG

 

Agreed, the downwind portion also got me thinking.........anyone try to roll out the jib to get her planing more easily? The pole seems to be long enough where this would be effective.

 

In testing there are boats which have found this to be an effective technique. I can't recall the specific numbers offhand but it's been seen that the jib unrolled (and led outboard to the rail ideally) has helped downwind and reaching performance.

 

In what conditions is it most effective? My guess would be anything over 15 knts where the boat is starting to light up downhill.

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+1 A staysail should be a great addition. Working great on the 109 and should do wonders on the 111.

 

I think Arabella has a staysail

 

The jib in/out thing is interesting, for years the Melges 24's went with a furled jib, then the Italian fleet started sailing jib-out now it's quite common to see in the class.

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The 111 sprit is long enough and gives enough separation between the chute and genoa to give the genoa the job over a staysail as well as the genoa being larger than the staysail. Instead, a spaysail might be a nice addition in light of the genoa and would add speed off the wind taking advantage of the shape and maximum headsail size. Example above, not a 111.

 

I was more thinking jib out like a melges 24/32, saw some shots from Block Island where the J/111s were doing this technique. Just curious if the class will start doing this more often since the boat seems to like hotter angles downwind.

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The 111 sprit is long enough and gives enough separation between the chute and genoa to give the genoa the job over a staysail as well as the genoa being larger than the staysail. Instead, a spaysail might be a nice addition in light of the genoa and would add speed off the wind taking advantage of the shape and maximum headsail size. Example above, not a 111.

Shape is more important than size when it comes to staysails. It's very easy to choke the flow behind the main (so sprit lenght isn't really the issue).

 

There's been a lot of research done in the TP52 class, and they use staysails as soon as the conditions allows. If the wind is up they loose to much speed having people up front (at least on a short course) so then they keep their jibs up but the better teams goes to staysail asap when possible.

 

We're extremely happy with our staysail (below) and wanted North to make a bigger one. They basically refused to make it bigger... Not that often a sailmaker turns down a sale :D

 

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Interesting to see points of view on staysail/ spaysail and jibs on sprit boats. TP52s have a "short' sprit; so, stay/spaysails are critical in terms of dimension/ trim. On the J/111, with an 8 foot pole, less so. The jib is KEY for faster downwind speed in the absence of any staysail. A MONSTER spay/staysail is simply a "gift". Under ANY rule on the J/111. Anytime you add this "flow control" sail under the a-sail/ main it adds from 1/4 to 3/4 knots, easy. If not higher. The J/111 is an apparent wind machine and does respond to added "flow control" between the main/chute.

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The 111 sprit is long enough and gives enough separation between the chute and genoa to give the genoa the job over a staysail as well as the genoa being larger than the staysail. Instead, a spaysail might be a nice addition in light of the genoa and would add speed off the wind taking advantage of the shape and maximum headsail size. Example above, not a 111.

Shape is more important than size when it comes to staysails. It's very easy to choke the flow behind the main (so sprit lenght isn't really the issue).

 

There's been a lot of research done in the TP52 class, and they use staysails as soon as the conditions allows. If the wind is up they loose to much speed having people up front (at least on a short course) so then they keep their jibs up but the better teams goes to staysail asap when possible.

 

We're extremely happy with our staysail (below) and wanted North to make a bigger one. They basically refused to make it bigger... Not that often a sailmaker turns down a sale :D

 

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Next time, tell them to make it TWICE as big, tack it to the stemhead fitting and raise clew high enough to trim from 2/3 back on main boom. Sailmakers are their own worst enemy! We did this on the J/41 and kicked the shit out of anybody who had anything less-- just ask Bill Shore and Kenny Read when we raced the J/41 DAZZLER back in the IOR days. Sprit boats/ asym boats react even BETTER to a properly design staysail. The clowns at the various sail lofts have not figured out how to do these things better-- have no idea what "fashion" they're following today-- as usual, they're wrong. After all, WHY did the AC33 boats in Valencia have HUGE staysails and tried to fly them at ANY time?!!!! Doh!

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Interesting to see points of view on staysail/ spaysail and jibs on sprit boats. TP52s have a "short' sprit; so, stay/spaysails are critical in terms of dimension/ trim. On the J/111, with an 8 foot pole, less so. The jib is KEY for faster downwind speed in the absence of any staysail. A MONSTER spay/staysail is simply a "gift". Under ANY rule on the J/111. Anytime you add this "flow control" sail under the a-sail/ main it adds from 1/4 to 3/4 knots, easy. If not higher. The J/111 is an apparent wind machine and does respond to added "flow control" between the main/chute.

 

Glad you chimed in buddy, how's the family doing?

 

You were there with me when we were playing around with using the jib as a staysail during the reach out on the around block race this past may. Do you recall any of the numbers we were seeing for wind angle and windspeed? I know we were going crazy fast on a fairly tight reach but I can't remember the details. I ask because that felt like the upper range of angle we could take the combination of A 1/3 and jib-as-staysail.

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Next time, tell them to make it TWICE as big, tack it to the stemhead fitting and raise clew high enough to trim from 2/3 back on main boom. Sailmakers are their own worst enemy! We did this on the J/41 and kicked the shit out of anybody who had anything less-- just ask Bill Shore and Kenny Read when we raced the J/41 DAZZLER back in the IOR days. Sprit boats/ asym boats react even BETTER to a properly design staysail. The clowns at the various sail lofts have not figured out how to do these things better-- have no idea what "fashion" they're following today-- as usual, they're wrong. After all, WHY did the AC33 boats in Valencia have HUGE staysails and tried to fly them at ANY time?!!!! Doh!

Great tip fron the blooper days. Be sure to tell the noobs racing TPs since they are really lost here :D

 

BTW, LP is naturally at max when rated with JIB in IRC. What we discussed was making a longer luff - but that were going to get to close to the backside of the main.

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OK, two quick questions here;

 

- have anyone gone with an oversized gennaker? Saling in areas with lighter wind a +160 sqm "whomper" would be a fun addition?

 

- sustained/average speeds - for a record run, what would you say would be an achievable 12 hr distance? We've seen som pretty impressive numbers so far, but what can be expected over a longer period not being on the absolute edge?

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- sustained/average speeds - for a record run, what would you say would be an achievable 12 hr distance? We've seen som pretty impressive numbers so far, but what can be expected over a longer period not being on the absolute edge?

 

I suspect Arabella would hold that record from the Myth of Malham RORC race - 125 miles downwind starting in 18, quickly rising to 25 then 35 knots.

 

Let me try and do some guestimates (I'm not sure they had their AIS tracker on on that race). We rounded the Eddystone with them and then they were gone ..................

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Does anybody have an endorsed cert. of the J111, we are very curious what the real weight of the boat is. (knowing that not all the boats are exactely the same)

Here in Holland we have two J111 orc measured one at a weight of 4300kg and the other one 4900kg (15%) more. I know it is based on freeboard heights but still.

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Does anybody have an endorsed cert. of the J111, we are very curious what the real weight of the boat is. (knowing that not all the boats are exactely the same)

Here in Holland we have two J111 orc measured one at a weight of 4300kg and the other one 4900kg (15%) more. I know it is based on freeboard heights but still.

 

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Does anybody have an endorsed cert. of the J111, we are very curious what the real weight of the boat is. (knowing that not all the boats are exactely the same)

Here in Holland we have two J111 orc measured one at a weight of 4300kg and the other one 4900kg (15%) more. I know it is based on freeboard heights but still.

... So, the 111's in Holland come with an 'added freeboard' option?

 

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Well, the heavy one actually got her freeboards measured the normal weight one got the cert from designer info as a temp. one.

Freeboard height is meas. according to the offsets file and then the weight is calculated.

If the offset files do not correspond with the actual boats then Houston has a problem.

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Does anybody have an endorsed cert. of the J111, we are very curious what the real weight of the boat is. (knowing that not all the boats are exactely the same)

Here in Holland we have two J111 orc measured one at a weight of 4300kg and the other one 4900kg (15%) more. I know it is based on freeboard heights but still.

 

4260

Is that a US our European boat? Any extras or minimum config?

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Does anybody have an endorsed cert. of the J111, we are very curious what the real weight of the boat is.
We did a stripped weigh in for Invisible Hands ORR rating early this year. Took out forward berth, door, stove+tank, cushions, etc. Came in 9,250 lbs.

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Does anybody have an endorsed cert. of the J111, we are very curious what the real weight of the boat is. (knowing that not all the boats are exactely the same)

Here in Holland we have two J111 orc measured one at a weight of 4300kg and the other one 4900kg (15%) more. I know it is based on freeboard heights but still.

 

4260

Is that a US our European boat? Any extras or minimum config?

 

US boat, minimum configuration. Doubt the stove was out.

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Does anybody have an endorsed cert. of the J111, we are very curious what the real weight of the boat is. (knowing that not all the boats are exactely the same)

Here in Holland we have two J111 orc measured one at a weight of 4300kg and the other one 4900kg (15%) more. I know it is based on freeboard heights but still.

 

4260

Is that a US our European boat? Any extras or minimum config?

 

US boat, minimum configuration. Doubt the stove was out.

 

 

It is a european boat

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I was "trying" to keep track of all the J-111 hulls & owners (finally threw in the towel). As we have #17 in SF, I recall (originally) you were going to get #18 but decided to keep your J109 "BLUR" for furhter expolits ;0)). BTW your new CarbonNautica wheel looks great! Not sure who filled the slot...but wasn't J 111 #18 the first J111 hull to be built in Europe?

I'm not really sure why the European built boats have their own numbers starting from #1? Or is that just on http://www.lejouet.eu/?

International #18 was the first to be built in Europe and it seemes it went to Switzerland.

 

A couple af people up here in Scandinavia are interested in 111 so we'll see what happens...

Hmmm. Just went out the the Lejouet site...the boat KAIROS is listed as hull #1 (first European produced J-111) and appears to be in Switzerland in alignment with your comment. With respeoct to the nunmbering convention, I might speculate that the European built boats would have their own Europe specific serial/ hull numbers and not be coordinating with the US Mfg entity. With this said BLUR is listed on the site with #18 so Lejouet may be pulling from multiple data sources to access and publish info...

Great to hear about J-111 intetrest in Scandinavia. Are you still considering one in the future?

 

 

The first european boat has hull Nr. 10 and went to Switzerland.

 

brico

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- have anyone gone with an oversized gennaker? Saling in areas with lighter wind a +160 sqm "whomper" would be a fun addition?

 

 

 

166 sqm works fine in light winds.

 

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- have anyone gone with an oversized gennaker? Saling in areas with lighter wind a +160 sqm "whomper" would be a fun addition?

 

 

 

166 sqm works fine in light winds.

 

brico

Sounds about right :D

 

After getting a "whomper" on the J/109 there's no turning back...

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Does anybody have an endorsed cert. of the J111, we are very curious what the real weight of the boat is. (knowing that not all the boats are exactely the same)

Here in Holland we have two J111 orc measured one at a weight of 4300kg and the other one 4900kg (15%) more. I know it is based on freeboard heights but still.

 

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Is that a US our European boat? Any extras or minimum config?

 

US boat, minimum configuration. Doubt the stove was out.

 

 

It is a european boat

 

More informations Jauge du J111 en Europe

 

Boat NameSail NoCert NoIssue DateCert YearTCCEndorsedWeightFromDayboatShort HandedNon Spi TCC CrewDLRLHBeamDraftHeadsailsSeries DateAge DateRacing areaSSS Base ValueSTIXAVSCategoryValidCodeJAKEAUS1113891213/07/201120111.092E4436USA 1.0668139.9385230540611.153.32.21Multiple201020114012344143AYesLE JOUETFRA382253905022/08/201120111.104 1.0768129.2164885982211.153.32.21Multiple201020112122334140AYesARABELLAGBR111N3768007/06/201120111.093E4368USA 1.0678136.943451821211.153.32.21Multiple201020101012344143AYesJENGA VIIGBR5811R3884402/08/201120111.090E4328EU 1.0658145.4884994474611.153.32.21Multiple201020111012334140AYesMUNKENBECKGBR7511R3906306/09/201120111.093E 1.0668137.6188196874311.153.32.21Multiple201020111012334140AYesSHMOKIN' JOEGBR7611R3879601/07/201120111.096 1.0698141.4439706349311.153.32.21Multiple201020111012334140AYesWOWIRL71113885530/06/201120111.105E 1.0788132.3629540378811.153.32.21Multiple201020111182234140AYesJ STORMITA44653928919/10/201120111.100E 1.0678133.2583839543711.153.32.21Multiple201020112202334140AYesJ 111 US standard fileN/A3873108/06/201120111.109E 1.0798129.2164885982211.153.32.21Multiple201020113042344143AYes

J-XCENTRIC

NED91113812901/08/201120111.086E4550EU

You have 4 Endorsed boats Weight 2 USA and 2 EU

J-XCENTRIC is full option, hot water, ect...

www.lejouet.eu/Jauge.htm

 

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Does anybody have an endorsed cert. of the J111, we are very curious what the real weight of the boat is. (knowing that not all the boats are exactely the same)

Here in Holland we have two J111 orc measured one at a weight of 4300kg and the other one 4900kg (15%) more. I know it is based on freeboard heights but still.

... So, the 111's in Holland come with an 'added freeboard' option?

 

DG

 

Have you some informations with the last J111 in Holland. Stephane@lejouet.eu

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J-boats have always used a single hull number system globally for each model. Series are reserved for US and Europe (and Asia in case of J80)

 

I put all the hull number for European production on http://lejouet.eu/InfoEurope.htm

 

I put online the offical international J111 Class Rules 2011 at the and of the week.

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Are there amy differences in the first early hulls compared to brand new ones? What are the boats strengths and weaknesses? How does the boat go in light air?

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Are there amy differences in the first early hulls compared to brand new ones? What are the boats strengths and weaknesses? How does the boat go in light air?

 

It's actually fairly quick in the light stuff. Powers up in the puffs and squirts forward as long as you're hiking like mad. Sailed one on Saturday and it's a lot of fun.

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Hull #NameCountryPageWebSite1JakeAUSO 2ImpulseUSAO 3HotRum IIUSAO 4lnvisibleHandUSAO 5BlastCANO 6ArabellaUKP 7007 HasUSAO 8VelocityUSAO 9 NZL 10Kairos SUlP 11Kontiki VUSAO 12KashmirUSAO 13 COL 14 CANO 15NoSurpriseUSAO 16PartnershipUSAO 17MadMenUSAO 18AlphalinkFRAP 19TrueLoveUKP 20ShmokingJoeUKP 21MistyUSAO 22MentalUSAO 23VoltefaceCANO 24Nighthawk USAO 25UnpluggedUSAO 26AndiamoUSAO 27 28WarlockCANO 29 30Wicked 2.0USAO 31 32 CAN 33Ragin'USAO 34JSpiritUKP 35JengaVllUKP Hull #NameCountryPageWebSite36 37FleetwingUSAO 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47WowIRLP 48 GER 49J-XcentricNEDP 50LeJouetFRAP 51MunkenbeckUKP 52BatoJilFRAP 53JDreamUKP 54JStormITAP 55 SUIP 56 NEDP 57 ESPP 58 UKP 59 SWEP 60 61 62

 

 

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Stephane LeJouet.eu

 

 

 

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Hull #NameCountryPageWebSite1JakeAUSO 2ImpulseUSAO 3HotRum IIUSAO 4lnvisibleHandUSAO 5BlastCANO 6ArabellaUKP 7007 HasUSAO 8VelocityUSAO 9 NZL 10Kairos SUlP 11Kontiki VUSAO 12KashmirUSAO 13 COL 14 CANO 15NoSurpriseUSAO 16PartnershipUSAO 17MadMenUSAO 18AlphalinkFRAP 19TrueLoveUKP 20ShmokingJoeUKP 21MistyUSAO 22MentalUSAO 23VoltefaceCANO 24Nighthawk USAO 25UnpluggedUSAO 26AndiamoUSAO 27 28WarlockCANO 29 30Wicked 2.0USAO 31 32 CAN 33Ragin'USAO 34JSpiritUKP 35JengaVllUKP Hull #NameCountryPageWebSite36 37FleetwingUSAO 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47WowIRLP 48 GER 49J-XcentricNEDP 50LeJouetFRAP 51MunkenbeckUKP 52BatoJilFRAP 53JDreamUKP 54JStormITAP 55 SUIP 56 NEDP 57 ESPP 58 UKP 59 SWEP 60 61 62

 

 

Listing

 

Stephane LeJouet.eu

Hi Stephane, great listing of the J-111's hull production! I was attempting to do the same but gave up! I do however have one addition and a couple of clarificaitons for you.

1) Newly commissioned hull # 39 "TOPSY TURVEY" is sailing on SF Bay (she joins the 2 other SF Bay boats, Rag Bag's #4 "INVISIBLE HAND" and #17 "MADMEN").

2) My records show "KONTIKI V" with a South America (Bogata, Coumbia) destination. The owner chartered her for a promotion in the US for Key West last year (Won PHRF 1).

3) Hull #3 (no name) is a JK3 Enterpries (J-Boats Dealer-San Diego CA) boat that is currently for sale (see YachtWorld). Hot Rum II is the name of a regatta the boat raced in SoCal.

Love your website; thanks for being the de facto J-111 documentalist!

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Hello Blur , Have you reseved your new boat

:D Not yet. We'll see.

 

But lot's of things going on. Test sail in Germany saturday (will send you pics + video). Intense discussion with the sailmaker. Sponsor pitches. Meeeting with potential buyers of the 109. Long hours at the gym. Normal off-season stuff...

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Hello Blur , Have you reseved your new boat

:D Not yet. We'll see.

 

But lot's of things going on. Test sail in Germany saturday (will send you pics + video). Intense discussion with the sailmaker. Sponsor pitches. Meeeting with potential buyers of the 109. Long hours at the gym. Normal off-season stuff...

I truly believe you will be blown away by the sailing performance of the J111 vs your 109 (which I know you love). Part of the reason I haven't gone for a sail on one is I know it will be the start of a slippery slope

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Hull #NameCountryPageWebSite1JakeAUSO 2ImpulseUSAO 3HotRum IIUSAO 4lnvisibleHandUSAO 5BlastCANO 6ArabellaUKP 7007 HasUSAO 8VelocityUSAO 9 NZL 10Kairos SUlP 11Kontiki VUSAO 12KashmirUSAO 13 COL 14 CANO 15NoSurpriseUSAO 16PartnershipUSAO 17MadMenUSAO 18AlphalinkFRAP 19TrueLoveUKP 20ShmokingJoeUKP 21MistyUSAO 22MentalUSAO 23VoltefaceCANO 24Nighthawk USAO 25UnpluggedUSAO 26AndiamoUSAO 27 28WarlockCANO 29 30Wicked 2.0USAO 31 32 CAN 33Ragin'USAO 34JSpiritUKP 35JengaVllUKP Hull #NameCountryPageWebSite36 37FleetwingUSAO 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47WowIRLP 48 GER 49J-XcentricNEDP 50LeJouetFRAP 51MunkenbeckUKP 52BatoJilFRAP 53JDreamUKP 54JStormITAP 55 SUIP 56 NEDP 57 ESPP 58 UKP 59 SWEP 60 61 62

 

 

Listing

 

Stephane LeJouet.eu

 

 

 

 

Stephane,

 

Hull #9 is named Bravo and is based in Shelter Island, NY, USA

 

Thanks for keeping a list!

 

Chris

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Waht due you think about 650 kg (Crew weigh) it's 8

7 will be better no?

six cent cinquante kilo c'est sept (ou six ?) American !

 

Melges 24 360kg = 4 Americans/English or 5 Europeans (French or Italian)

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Waht due you think about 650 kg (Crew weigh) it's 8

7 will be better no?

six cent cinquante kilo c'est sept (ou six ?) American !

 

Melges 24 360kg = 4 Americans/English or 5 Europeans (French or Italian)

Ca c'est tres drole!

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Melges 24: 360 / 5 = 72

J111 650 / 72 = 9,02

I think it's to mutch.

with J105 six is good with J111 one more is ok not 3

I agree completely.

 

For information the UK/Ireland J109 class uses 600kg excluding the owner. Boats race with 8 or even 9 people, crazy. Also in the UK/Ireland for big J109 events there are professional sailors (even though the rule says they cannot be paid, people find a way around that), I think you should expect that in J111 events too unfortunately.

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