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Nothing negative in that video. The boat is flying and looks great.

Keep working on your conspiracy theory.

 

Looked pretty tender to me! \wink\ :ph34r:

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Pretty effin cool. Any reason why nobody's trying to hike it flat?

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Pretty effin cool. Any reason why nobody's trying to hike it flat?

 

People on the boat are looking to buy the boat, not crew the boat. :P

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Sweet... Where's the masthead kite :lol:

In the first minute (or so) of the video they are flying a masthead kite; the second two thrids of the video the fractional kite is up. Being from SF I liked seeing the fractional option. And hey, isn't the boat in the video (sail number 60111)IMPULSE, the boat that raced in the Chicago - Michigan City Race?

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Sweet... Where's the masthead kite :lol:

In the first minute (or so) of the video they are flying a masthead kite; the second two thrids of the video the fractional kite is up. Being from SF I liked seeing the fractional option. And hey, isn't the boat in the video (sail number 60111)IMPULSE, the boat that raced in the Chicago - Michigan City Race?

OK...Just got confirmation from the Youtube poster that the boat in the video is Hull #5; however they are using the sails from Hull #2 IMPULSE in Chicago...

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Main reefed - so its likely they needed a reef to keep her on her feet upwind prior to flipping over to get the downwind footage? So she can't stay on her feet in 20 knots? Just pouring a bit of kerosene on the embers here....

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Main reefed - so its likely they needed a reef to keep her on her feet upwind prior to flipping over to get the downwind footage? So she can't stay on her feet in 20 knots? Just pouring a bit of kerosene on the embers here....

 

 

Just as a mode of comparison, what would a Melges 32 be doing speed wise in these conditions? How about the SC37? Don't get me wrong I like J boats and I know it's apples and oranges. What is the first hull number coming to Chicago?

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Main reefed - so its likely they needed a reef to keep her on her feet upwind prior to flipping over to get the downwind footage? So she can't stay on her feet in 20 knots? Just pouring a bit of kerosene on the embers here....

 

 

I'd rather a powered up boat and reef in 20 than a shit can that can't move in sub 10kn. Just sayin.

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Main reefed - so its likely they needed a reef to keep her on her feet upwind prior to flipping over to get the downwind footage? So she can't stay on her feet in 20 knots? Just pouring a bit of kerosene on the embers here....

 

 

Just as a mode of comparison, what would a Melges 32 be doing speed wise in these conditions? How about the SC37? Don't get me wrong I like J boats and I know it's apples and oranges. What is the first hull number coming to Chicago?

 

FT 10 have been doing that speed and more since day 1... as have the Melges 32, Columbia 32, etc ... J-111 looks good... a great sized boat to play on, good to see more offerings in this size and sport boat range... just pick one, one for every budget no reason not to get 'er done

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Main reefed - so its likely they needed a reef to keep her on her feet upwind prior to flipping over to get the downwind footage? So she can't stay on her feet in 20 knots? Just pouring a bit of kerosene on the embers here....

 

 

Just as a mode of comparison, what would a Melges 32 be doing speed wise in these conditions? How about the SC37? Don't get me wrong I like J boats and I know it's apples and oranges. What is the first hull number coming to Chicago?

As noted above, Hull #2 is already sailing in Chicago. Her name is IMPULSE sail number 60111. The boat in the Halifax video is Hull #5 with borrowed sails from the Chicago boat...

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Sweet... Where's the masthead kite :lol:

In the first minute (or so) of the video they are flying a masthead kite; the second two thrids of the video the fractional kite is up. Being from SF I liked seeing the fractional option. And hey, isn't the boat in the video (sail number 60111)IMPULSE, the boat that raced in the Chicago - Michigan City Race?

 

per the comments under the video on the youtube page, the 111 is only rigged with a MH kite...they were flying the kite from the jib halyard in that portion of the vid.

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Main reefed - so its likely they needed a reef to keep her on her feet upwind prior to flipping over to get the downwind footage? So she can't stay on her feet in 20 knots? Just pouring a bit of kerosene on the embers here....

 

 

Just as a mode of comparison, what would a Melges 32 be doing speed wise in these conditions? How about the SC37? Don't get me wrong I like J boats and I know it's apples and oranges. What is the first hull number coming to Chicago?

 

FT 10 have been doing that speed and more since day 1... as have the Melges 32, Columbia 32, etc ... J-111 looks good... a great sized boat to play on, good to see more offerings in this size and sport boat range... just pick one, one for every budget no reason not to get 'er done

 

The comparison with sport boats is not that relevant. I came from a J/90 platform (raced it for 4-5 years) and am now about to launch hull# 4 of this boat. I wanted a boat that wasn't as wet, uncomfortable and a white knuckle ride. Not many ladies will go out on a boat without a head. I only took out hardened sailors and race crew. No such thing as a casual daysail with some un-initiated folks. Like a sports car, sport boats are single purpose. True versatility is hard to find on boats this size. I think Santa Cruz yachts almost got it right but this 111 platform will be more forgiving and less slippery than the SC37.

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Any boat will get to speed on a reach in breeze.....It's a fuck'n POS J boat. Dr. Phil said it best..."you can put wings on a pig.....but it won't make it a chicken"..................................Think about it

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I like the looks of it. Finally, after 25 years, we have a multi-purpose boat for the masses that weighs in less than the boats out of Express, Santa Cruz, etc. Looks like great fun.

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To bad it's being release during such a bad economic time.

 

They seem to be defying gravity with over 50 orders on the books.

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Any boat will get to speed on a reach in breeze.....It's a fuck'n POS J boat.
"Any boat" will not get on a full plane with 15k+ sustained speeds. By the way, it's running, not reaching..... you cannot reach in 20k+ with a running spinnaker. The wind angle may be @ 90 deg. but that's apparent, not true. Yeah, it's a J/Boat and I'll be the first to say that many of their designs are pretty tame but it seems they have sure hit the sweet spot with 50+ orders already.

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Nothing negative in that video. The boat is flying and looks great.

Keep working on your conspiracy theory.

 

Looked pretty tender to me! \wink\ :ph34r:

 

 

and what about that broach at 1:15 (censored) wink.gif

 

 

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Nothing negative in that video. The boat is flying and looks great.

Keep working on your conspiracy theory.

 

Looked pretty tender to me! \wink\ :ph34r:

 

 

and what about that broach at 1:15 (censored) wink.gif

 

As they say in skiing: "no falls, no balls". If that boat didn't broach in these conditions, it'd be underpowered or sailed too conservatively. You are always on the edge of losing it, or you are not sailing hard enough. This boat has an unusually deep high aspect rudder which will help a lot.

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Nothing negative in that video. The boat is flying and looks great.

Keep working on your conspiracy theory.

 

Looked pretty tender to me! \wink\ :ph34r:

 

 

and what about that broach at 1:15 (censored) wink.gif

 

As they say in skiing: "no falls, no balls". If that boat didn't broach in these conditions, it'd be underpowered or sailed too conservatively. You are always on the edge of losing it, or you are not sailing hard enough. This boat has an unusually deep high aspect rudder which will help a lot.

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Nothing negative in that video. The boat is flying and looks great.

Keep working on your conspiracy theory.

 

Looked pretty tender to me! \wink\ :ph34r:

 

 

and what about that broach at 1:15 (censored) wink.gif

 

As they say in skiing: "no falls, no balls". If that boat didn't broach in these conditions, it'd be underpowered or sailed too conservatively. You are always on the edge of losing it, or you are not sailing hard enough. This boat has an unusually deep high aspect rudder which will help a lot.

 

Hmmmmm - doesn't look like an "unusually deep and high aspect" rudder to me - unless you compare it to a 25 year old J35......................

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Hmmmmm - doesn't look like an "unusually deep and high aspect" rudder to me - unless you compare it to a 25 year old J35......................

 

 

thanks God. if me no wrong, too high aspect just means too easy stalling...

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Hmmmmm - doesn't look like an "unusually deep and high aspect" rudder to me -.....................

 

Check out the rudder

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#4 launched this morning

Sweet!!! Congratulations!

 

She looks great! Congrats and let us know your thoughts after a couple of sails. Cheers.

 

Jesus, how could one own a boat with such a keel? No wonder they hid the "bulb" in the above photo.

 

Hopefully you don't see it much.

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#4 launched this morning

 

Very cool!

 

Well done and congratulations on the new ride. Now.... go out and find some breeze, and give us some sweet onboard porn.

 

DG

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#4 launched this morning

CONGRATULATIONS! SHE LOOKS FANTASTIC!

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Jesus, how could one own a boat with such a keel? No wonder they hid the "bulb" in the above photo.

 

That keel will snag a lot fewer weeds and lines than a t-bulb.

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Jesus, how could one own a boat with such a keel? No wonder they hid the "bulb" in the above photo.

 

That keel will snag a lot fewer weeds and lines than a t-bulb.

 

That keel fin and bulb shape is reminiscent of the keels sported by the J/90 and J/125. They work great. I don't know what people's obsession is with the torpedo shape. Certainly less likely you will snag underwater objects. You hook a major object with a torpedo, it will tear the bottom right off at speed. Can happen with this shape, too, but it has a fighting chance of sliding over. I've hit an undert water object motoring at 7 kts on a J 90, launching two of us on the boat 10 feet forward and in the air. Keel was damaged at the bulb but completely in tact at the hull joint. So, to me, it is more than a theoretical possibility.

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What's the logic with the high aspect rudder ? More or less likely to stall ? Better at high or low speeds vs standard aspect ratio ?

 

Congrats on the boat's launch.

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What's the logic with the high aspect rudder ? More or less likely to stall ? Better at high or low speeds vs standard aspect ratio ?

 

Congrats on the boat's launch.

 

 

high aspect rudder give less induced drag. stall is more a function of foil section.

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What's the logic with the high aspect rudder ? More or less likely to stall ? Better at high or low speeds vs standard aspect ratio ?

 

Congrats on the boat's launch.

 

 

You need a lot of bite to keep a boat like this on its feet, and maintain steerage. The J/90 had such an undersized rudder, you had nothing to say about it. It would round up and wipe out with no warning. The tiller would just go limb. You also could not sail the boat down hard without first easing the main hard. A lot f the rudders on 90s and 125s were replaced with high aspect ones, and it cured a lot of the bad behavior. J Boats got in front of this one with the rudder design.

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Here is the J/90 keel contusion...... and mine! Oh, just saw the 90. Heard the rudder did it's normal, 'no-warning-broach', and ran into a committee boat and crushed the spreaders into the rig, totaled it. New Hall spar on the way.

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#4 launched this morning

Sweet!!! Congratulations!

Congrats! Nice to see some a plan come together and someone who puts their money where their mouth is - the rest is just noise. You'll be out there with a huge grim while the whiners can look at pix on the internet.

 

Where will she be based, any of the other 46-odd coming your way?

 

Does anyone know when the first 111 will hit the UK?

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#4 launched this morning

Sweet!!! Congratulations!

Congrats! Nice to see some a plan come together and someone who puts their money where their mouth is - the rest is just noise. You'll be out there with a huge grim while the whiners can look at pix on the internet.

 

Where will she be based, any of the other 46-odd coming your way?

 

Does anyone know when the first 111 will hit the UK?

 

Next one is due here in the spring. Deposits have been taken for another 3 boats, but now having a boat here will put things in motion more. We will get an OD fleet here of some sort. The new boat is in the water now, and may get its first sail as soon as today. She's sitting right next to a 105 illustrrating what difference 20 years make. We have a huge 105 fleet here, that will be a place where future buyers will come from.

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Nothing negative in that video. The boat is flying and looks great.

Keep working on your conspiracy theory.

 

Looked pretty tender to me! \wink\ :ph34r:

 

 

and what about that broach at 1:15 (censored) wink.gif

 

As they say in skiing: "no falls, no balls". If that boat didn't broach in these conditions, it'd be underpowered or sailed too conservatively. You are always on the edge of losing it, or you are not sailing hard enough. This boat has an unusually deep high aspect rudder which will help a lot.

 

Another look at the rudder

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Hmmmmm - doesn't look like an "unusually deep and high aspect" rudder to me -.....................

 

Check out the rudder

 

I did - before i wrote my comment

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OK then Christian, for the sake of the rest of us who don't know the official definition of "unusually deep and high aspect" can you provide pictures and a definition of what does qualify as on for us? I'm not trying to be a total smart ass, but you seem intent on bashing it just because its from J Boats...

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OK then Christian, for the sake of the rest of us who don't know the official definition of "unusually deep and high aspect" can you provide pictures and a definition of what does qualify as on for us? I'm not trying to be a total smart ass, but you seem intent on bashing it just because its from J Boats...

 

2nd that!

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#4 launched this morning

Sweet!!! Congratulations!

Congrats! Nice to see some a plan come together and someone who puts their money where their mouth is - the rest is just noise. You'll be out there with a huge grim while the whiners can look at pix on the internet.

 

Where will she be based, any of the other 46-odd coming your way?

 

Does anyone know when the first 111 will hit the UK?

 

Next one is due here in the spring. Deposits have been taken for another 3 boats, but now having a boat here will put things in motion more. We will get an OD fleet here of some sort. The new boat is in the water now, and may get its first sail as soon as today. She's sitting right next to a 105 illustrrating what difference 20 years make. We have a huge 105 fleet here, that will be a place where future buyers will come from.

 

 

Hopefully at some point she will be parked next to the SC37. That will be an interesting comparision.

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#4 launched this morning

Sweet!!! Congratulations!

Congrats! Nice to see some a plan come together and someone who puts their money where their mouth is - the rest is just noise. You'll be out there with a huge grim while the whiners can look at pix on the internet.

 

Where will she be based, any of the other 46-odd coming your way?

 

Does anyone know when the first 111 will hit the UK?

 

Next one is due here in the spring. Deposits have been taken for another 3 boats, but now having a boat here will put things in motion more. We will get an OD fleet here of some sort. The new boat is in the water now, and may get its first sail as soon as today. She's sitting right next to a 105 illustrrating what difference 20 years make. We have a huge 105 fleet here, that will be a place where future buyers will come from.

 

That won't be long. Sailcal has one parked at their dock, just 50 yds away. The 111 will go their as well after this week (almost complete on rigging), we're sailing tomorrow for the first time.

 

 

Hopefully at some point she will be parked next to the SC37. That will be an interesting comparision.

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I see Invisible slipped her dock lines yesterday. How was the first sail?

 

Yep. First full trial for the Invisible Hand with all the sails up yesterday. It trucked upwind at 7+ kts with 10 kts of breeze. Powered up easily, not sticky. Very light, precise, balanced, finger tip steering. Downwind 8-9 kts. in same conditions, pulled a good wake. Lot of control from the helm. Boat shows a lot of pedigree, easy to sail. Tacking and gybing, the boat pivots like a dinghy, I could launch somebody from the foredeck. Steering position is very comfortable with molded braces, pedestal and great visibility with big wheel. Nice to be able to get to gross/fine tune, traveller without leaving your perch, excellent ciockpit setup for short handing. Boat motors great both forward and in reverse.

 

I was expecting the down wind performance, but it exceeded my expectations upwind. Feels like a big boat with full canvas up. Didn't think it was too tender but then again have not seen 20 kts yet of breeze like we get here in summer. Overall, a very nice combination of sailing attributes in one package. Aside from lofty racing ambitions, this is a boat you just want to take for a spin with a cold six pack and just keep going, keep the tunes blearing in the cockpit. Doyle did a fabulous job on the sails (Stratis). The spar is incredibly stiff. Must be all those nano tubes. SailCal has been all over the details, been happy with the high standards for details/commissioning. We are still sorting out how to rig and carry a code zero on the boat. Want to set it up on a furler, open50/60 style. Another weapon reaching up/down the coast.

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Congrats, it sounds great. The upwind speed is impressive, makes me wonder how close winded it is. Must be a lot tighter than a 105 given that has a roller furling headstay, no in-effers, and is 18 years old. Any pix in its berth beside the 105?

 

Again, good for you. It's nice to see someone enjoying their new pride and joy. For interests sake, unless it's confidential, when did you shake hands with the Johnstons on her? Interested in the lead time from paper sale to first splash. Cheers.

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upwind #s do sound great for a 35 footer...not to bust chops, but are those verified w/ a handheld gps and/or calibrated instruments?

 

good luck with the new ride!!

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upwind #s do sound great for a 35 footer...not to bust chops, but are those verified w/ a handheld gps and/or calibrated instruments?

 

good luck with the new ride!!

Hell,go ahead bust his chops.....I was here 2 months ago and said the boat went upwind at +7s in te 20s everyone busted my chops..Happy to see the new owner LOVES the new boat!! Congrats

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upwind #s do sound great for a 35 footer...not to bust chops, but are those verified w/ a handheld gps and/or calibrated instruments?

 

good luck with the new ride!!

Hell,go ahead bust his chops.....I was here 2 months ago and said the boat went upwind at +7s in te 20s everyone busted my chops..Happy to see the new owner LOVES the new boat!! Congrats

 

The instruments (NKE) are close but not a 100% calibrated yet. GPS largely corroborated the numbers through the water though. To answer the other question: I had a small refundable hull deposit to hold my place in line with the local dealer as far back as january/february. I think there are a lot of folks out there in the same position. The next big deposit is for the molding start which really cements your commitment to the boat and that was June time frame. Boat was delivered mid October. She is now 99% done, show condition.

 

We had a Christening party for the boat this afternoon at a local yacht club. Lot of people showed up to look over the boat. It was like a mini boat show but with only one boat to look at ;-) (and free drinks) There are a lot of current and former 105 owners here that are foaming at the mouth to move on this new platform.

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i still cant believe how quickly these things have been selling, but it sounds like J definitely designed a new winner. Should be neat to see how the fleet progresses and does (for the short term) in rating races. Though it sounds like OD isnt far away in some areas...

 

 

Ragbag, the helm is light, but does it at least have feeling? that was one of my gripes with the 109, under about 15kts or so there really wasnt hardly any feel in the thing...

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i still cant believe how quickly these things have been selling, but it sounds like J definitely designed a new winner. Should be neat to see how the fleet progresses and does (for the short term) in rating races. Though it sounds like OD isnt far away in some areas...

 

 

Ragbag, the helm is light, but does it at least have feeling? that was one of my gripes with the 109, under about 15kts or so there really wasnt hardly any feel in the thing...

 

Just a slight amount of weather helm, but you can steer the boat up or down with similar effort. When you hold the helm in place, it just just trucks straight. You get the tell tales flying, slightly lifting, and just hold it there. You don't have to be a great driver to keep this boat in the groove. Boat powers up quickly in light air, lots of pressure and feel.

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ragbag,

 

Congrats on the new toy, it sounds like an amazing ride! Please feel free to post any sailing porn once you get everything sorted out.;)

 

BP

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Jesus, how could one own a boat with such a keel? No wonder they hid the "bulb" in the above photo.

 

 

Funny. I was thinking the samething. This looks like a great boat but I have to admit I am little less than impressed with J-boats consideration foil shape. They have always just sort of slapped the lead on.

As for Christians comment on the high aspect rudder. It is VERY high aspect for a J-boat. Pretty average for a modern design though. Just another J-Boat, but my favorite one to date.

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Hell,go ahead bust his chops.....I was here 2 months ago and said the boat went upwind at +7s in te 20s everyone busted my chops..Happy to see the new owner LOVES the new boat!! Congrats

 

+7kn, which is maybe 7,0-7,1 is VERY different from 7.5-7.8 kn mentioned 2 months ago. 7.5-7.8 is appropriate for a Farr 40, King 40 or Swan 45, not for a 36 foot downwind boat. I think 7 kn at 10 kn is clearly too much as well.

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ragbag - thanks for updates.

 

I test sailed a 109 vs 105 and the choice was obvious - the 105 was a much better boat to sail and materially cheaper - new boat vs new boat. The 111 is the boat I'd have wished the 109 to have been (if you understand what I'm saying timing wise). I would have expected the 111 to be a much better sailing boat than the 109.

 

Alec's LN - good question about point - the killer with the 109 is how close winded it is whilst still pretty quick.

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OK then Christian, for the sake of the rest of us who don't know the official definition of "unusually deep and high aspect" can you provide pictures and a definition of what does qualify as on for us? I'm not trying to be a total smart ass, but you seem intent on bashing it just because its from J Boats...

 

Not bashing anything - sure the rudder on the 111 is high aspect in comparison to many (most) j boats but is sure not on the extreme in comparison to some other designs:

 

http://www.farrdesign.com/pdfs/640sailplan.pdf

http://www.csi-composites.com/rudders.htm

http://www.boatsales.co.uk/brokerage/52TP52ONO/photos.htm

http://www.longitudeyachts.com/page9.php

http://www.longitudeyachts.com/page9.php

http://www.jbeinc.com/projects/ft10_rudder.html

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Not bashing anything - sure the rudder on the 111 is high aspect in comparison to many (most) j boats but is sure not on the extreme in comparison to some other designs:

 

 

 

You just tated it your self when you said it is not "extreme in comparison to some other designs". If the J/111 was meant to be an "extreme" design it would be out of the price range of most of the 55+ buyers of the J/111. The fact that J Boats has designed and built a boat that is fun to sail in most conditions and priced it so that it is affordable to quite a few people in a down economy is a testament that they know a whole lot more about what people actually want then the people that sit here bashing it!

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OK then Christian, for the sake of the rest of us who don't know the official definition of "unusually deep and high aspect" can you provide pictures and a definition of what does qualify as on for us? I'm not trying to be a total smart ass, but you seem intent on bashing it just because its from J Boats...

 

Not bashing anything - sure the rudder on the 111 is high aspect in comparison to many (most) j boats but is sure not on the extreme in comparison to some other designs:

 

http://www.farrdesig...640sailplan.pdf

http://www.csi-compo...com/rudders.htm

http://www.boatsales...2ONO/photos.htm

http://www.longitude...s.com/page9.php

http://www.longitude...s.com/page9.php

http://www.jbeinc.co...t10_rudder.html

 

How about we agree on a compromise the rudder on a 111 is high aspect in comparison to many (most) J boats as well as most true dual/purpose racer/cruisers . If we are calling the J/111 a pure raceboat (like the ones you've included as examples) then the rudder is not particularly high aspect at all. I don't think J Boats was trying to be extreme in any way on the J/111.

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I don't think J Boats was trying to be extreme in any way on the J/111.

 

Rudder seems extreme to me for a boat that isn't. The design mandate was to go after versatility or a multi purpose boat, not an extreme boat the way J Boats did with the 125/90 some 12-13 years ago. It is hard to do especially at this size and price point: boats typically fall way short in one one dimension or another. I've owned a cruiser, I've owner a racer. You don't want to race your cruiser because they are such slugs, and you don't want to daysail/cruise your racer because they are so lacking in accomodations.

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I'm curious, how may of you guys that are bashing this boat for not being extreme enough are actually buying a boat right now? Whether it be a extreme racing boat or 4 ktsb?

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I don't think J Boats was trying to be extreme in any way on the J/111.

 

Rudder seems extreme to me for a boat that isn't. The design mandate was to go after versatility or a multi purpose boat, not an extreme boat the way J Boats did with the 125/90 some 12-13 years ago. It is hard to do especially at this size and price point: boats typically fall way short in one one dimension or another. I've owned a cruiser, I've owner a racer. You don't want to race your cruiser because they are such slugs, and you don't want to daysail/cruise your racer because they are so lacking in accomodations.

 

You need to take a look at the steering system as a whole and the rudder is just one part of that. Compared to an S-35, the blade area is almost the same, but the S-35 rudder is 9.5" deeper with a top chord almost 3" shorter. Aspect ratio of 6.222 VS 4.834 for the J-111. But S-35 has either twin small wheels or a tiller where the J-111 has a single large wheel. The single large wheel exerts more force and the higher aspect S-35 rudder would have much less feedback to the driver.

 

In short, the J-111 rudder may not be as high aspect as some, but it is well suited to the boat and not as vulnerable as one who's tip nearly approaches the keel depth.

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OK then Christian, for the sake of the rest of us who don't know the official definition of "unusually deep and high aspect" can you provide pictures and a definition of what does qualify as on for us? I'm not trying to be a total smart ass, but you seem intent on bashing it just because its from J Boats...

 

Not bashing anything - sure the rudder on the 111 is high aspect in comparison to many (most) j boats but is sure not on the extreme in comparison to some other designs:

 

http://www.farrdesig...640sailplan.pdf

http://www.csi-compo...com/rudders.htm

http://www.boatsales...2ONO/photos.htm

http://www.longitude...s.com/page9.php

http://www.longitude...s.com/page9.php

http://www.jbeinc.co...t10_rudder.html

 

How about we agree on a compromise the rudder on a 111 is high aspect in comparison to many (most) J boats as well as most true dual/purpose racer/cruisers . If we are calling the J/111 a pure raceboat (like the ones you've included as examples) then the rudder is not particularly high aspect at all. I don't think J Boats was trying to be extreme in any way on the J/111.

 

Sure. I don't think you will ever see anything extreme from J-boat - it is just not at all their market. They are designing boats for the masses and are very focused on staying that way. They are a decidedly cruiser/racer shop

 

It is all about reference points

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Not sure I'd completely agree on J/Boats designs for the masses. Beneteau/Hunter/Catalina/Jeanneau design for the masses. J Boats aims somewhat higher then that, but still is a production builder who targets a certain part of the market. Maybe the part of the masses that care something about performance, but not only about performance?...but they are certainly in not going to do anything extreme, you're right, its decidedly not their market. It is all about reference points.

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plenty of pics here and on the J site...it's more first hand accounts with pics of speedos in the teens that people want to see and read about!

 

a bit more video from Halifax with a legit crew, not all prospective owners, to show the boat off would be cool

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Direct link of j-boats video below.

 

Reefed main and a fractional kite but still large area - lazy question but I assume the boat has a mast head kite halyard too ?

 

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Direct link of j-boats video below.

 

Reefed main and a fractional kite but still large area - lazy question but I assume the boat has a mast head kite halyard too ?

 

 

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We sailed #4 today on San Francisco Bay. Steep, short ebb chop but solid 19-21 kts. of breeze. Boat easily got up on a plane downwind, booking at 14-16 kts, peaking at 17-18 kts. a few times. Lot of control at the helm. Grins galore. We did wipe out, but not nearly as violently as I recall from my J/90. The rudder never went limb, easing sheets and vang popped the boat right back up, regained steerage immediately, trimmed the sheets back in, that was it. Fairly uneventful. This is a one fun ride :) Photoboy was following and taking pictures from a Protector so maybe we have some good eye candy to share soon.

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Some more good pix Here

 

 

Just don't scroll up!!!!!!!!!!

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We sailed #4 today on San Francisco Bay. Steep, short ebb chop but solid 19-21 kts. of breeze. Boat easily got up on a plane downwind, booking at 14-16 kts, peaking at 17-18 kts. a few times. Lot of control at the helm. Grins galore. We did wipe out, but not nearly as violently as I recall from my J/90. The rudder never went limb, easing sheets and vang popped the boat right back up, regained steerage immediately, trimmed the sheets back in, that was it. Fairly uneventful. This is a one fun ride :) Photoboy was following and taking pictures from a Protector so maybe we have some good eye candy to share soon.

 

Those are some impressive numbers. What was the TWA. How close to the wind were you when going upwind?

 

Thanks for the info.

 

Cheers,

 

Opusone

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ragbag - what were your thoughts on main and jib in that breeze, no reef and regular 3 or smaller headsail ? Correct combination ? You were short numbers on rail vs racing crew ?

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Reefed main and a fractional kite but still large area - lazy question but I assume the boat has a mast head kite halyard too ?

 

 

in a previous comment the kite was hoisted on a jib halyard in the video

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Some more good pix Here

 

 

Finally, this is what we've all be waiting for. No offense to the Halifax vid, but a reefed main and short hoisted kite just doesn't look right. The full main with #3 jib looks to be the correct setup. The boat has some serious wheels off the breeze, jboats should be throwing these pics up on their website asap. Good on ragbag for being the first to show off his new ride!

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Finally, this is what we've all be waiting for. No offense to the Halifax vid, but a reefed main and short hoisted kite just doesn't look right. The full main with #3 jib looks to be the correct setup. The boat has some serious wheels off the breeze, jboats should be throwing these pics up on their website asap. Good on ragbag for being the first to show off his new ride!

+1

 

Makes me look like a fool letting #18 go. But 2012 will be in a 111 for sure!

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I’m fairly certain that the Jib is also Doyle

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Finally, this is what we've all be waiting for. No offense to the Halifax vid, but a reefed main and short hoisted kite just doesn't look right. The full main with #3 jib looks to be the correct setup. The boat has some serious wheels off the breeze, jboats should be throwing these pics up on their website asap. Good on ragbag for being the first to show off his new ride!

 

A J/111 would look great in otra-vez blue!

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Glad you're all enjoying the pix! Big thanks to Photoboy for being out there and memorializing this sail. We were a tad over-powered with full main and the (Doyle) jib you see is a cruise/delivery/every day sail (although I am told it is a very fine sail, and it may take offense to this characterization ;-) This jib stays on the boat (on the furler) for non-racing sails. We should have put up our heavy air racing head sail which is the same size as our regular light/med sail but flatter cut, and heavier fabric. Boat is not hard to sail in these conditions, but you have to keep bow up. In San Francisco Bay, reefing is considered un-cool ;-). We only do it when nobody is watching. We also had the big 130 meter kite up. We had apparent wind angle punched up on instruments, and read 28-32 most of the time. Upwind we were easily holding mid to high sevens in spite of that nasty ebb chop. We need to lenghten headstay, not enough weather helm for steering in 20 kts. of breeze. Still dialing things in. I have sailed on sport boats for many years, but this boat brings a lot of that pure sailing thrill without the ill behavior and discomfort. You are and feel in control behind that big wheel.

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