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Donovan GP26 starts production in Turkey

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with boat on the cradle we can finally post some decent pictures.

 

 

Cant wait to go sailing next week...

 

All excited...

 

Great looking boat!

 

One suggestion: The diagonal brackets on the stern rails should be reconfigured to stand off the hull construction.

 

 

Aren't those the diagonal braces for the stern stanchions? I don't think those can be seperate.

 

That is exactly what they are. Not suggesting that they be separate. Raise them to clear the deck or bend them to clear and secure in the cockpit further inboard.

 

God is in the details.

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Beautiful! Love the paint job and color too.

 

Whats' the point of the side tanks not extending all the way aft (being open aft)? Just wondering. Will she sit lower during a knockdown?

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with boat on the cradle we can finally post some decent pictures.

 

 

Cant wait to go sailing next week...

 

All excited...

 

Great looking boat!

 

One suggestion: The diagonal brackets on the stern rails should be reconfigured to stand off the hull construction.

 

 

Aren't those the diagonal braces for the stern stanchions? I don't think those can be seperate.

 

That is exactly what they are. Not suggesting that they be separate. Raise them to clear the deck or bend them to clear and secure in the cockpit further inboard.

 

God is in the details.

 

The brace legs intentionally touch the deck edge - the cantilievered edge of the deck is fastened to the brace leg at that point. This support strengthens the deck edge and allows them to be built much lighter.

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with boat on the cradle we can finally post some decent pictures.

 

 

Cant wait to go sailing next week...

 

All excited...

 

Great looking boat!

 

One suggestion: The diagonal brackets on the stern rails should be reconfigured to stand off the hull construction.

 

 

Aren't those the diagonal braces for the stern stanchions? I don't think those can be seperate.

 

That is exactly what they are. Not suggesting that they be separate. Raise them to clear the deck or bend them to clear and secure in the cockpit further inboard.

 

God is in the details.

 

The brace legs intentionally touch the deck edge - the cantilievered edge of the deck is fastened to the brace leg at that point. This support strengthens the deck edge and allows them to be built much lighter.

 

While that makes perfect sense functionally, the meeting of the parts is rather inelegant on such a handsome little boat. My opinion only, of course.

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Will you take the boat down to Marmaris race week??

 

Hi Hilly,

we considered it but the registration is full at Marmaris Race Week. Perhaps next year...

If you are interested in seeing the boat we can organise something here in Istanbul.

 

Cheers,

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Will you take the boat down to Marmaris race week??

 

Hi Hilly,

we considered it but the registration is full at Marmaris Race Week. Perhaps next year...

If you are interested in seeing the boat we can organise something here in Istanbul.

 

Cheers,

 

Due to having 25 boats on the waiting list, they have put 2 extra divisions on, and will have 160 boat limit,

there were 148 confirmed entries as of 8.10.11.

http://www.marmarisraceweek.com/en_kayit.aspx

It would be a great place to showcase the boat if she will be ready, but that also involves organising an IRC cert..

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that thing looks awesome...looking forward to Farrar's boat coming out next summer....have any of these production boats sold?

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that thing looks awesome...looking forward to Farrar's boat coming out next summer....have any of these production boats sold?

 

I don't think you will see Farrar's boat on the water for another 3-4 yrs.... (Sorry kevin)

 

Farrar still needs to build

1. Keel

2. Rudder

3. Mast

4. Bowspirt

5. Finish hull

6. Install hardware

7. Build sails

 

My gut is it won't hit the water next summer!

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that thing looks awesome...looking forward to Farrar's boat coming out next summer....have any of these production boats sold?

 

I don't think you will see Farrar's boat on the water for another 3-4 yrs.... (Sorry kevin)

 

Farrar still needs to build

1. Keel

2. Rudder

3. Mast

4. Bowspirt

5. Finish hull

6. Install hardware

7. Build sails

 

My gut is it won't hit the water next summer!

 

 

Dont be so hard on Kevin..This took us quite longer than expected for the first hull.

But as far as I know, from the list above he has sorted out

the bowsprit, and mast

 

And we are always willing to help with the keel and rudder...

 

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that thing looks awesome...looking forward to Farrar's boat coming out next summer....have any of these production boats sold?

 

I don't think you will see Farrar's boat on the water for another 3-4 yrs.... (Sorry kevin)

 

Farrar still needs to build

1. Keel

2. Rudder

3. Mast

4. Bowspirt

5. Finish hull

6. Install hardware

7. Build sails

 

My gut is it won't hit the water next summer!

 

Did I miss something?

Didn't you forget to tell us how long it took you to build your boat?

 

Kevin's doing a great job with his build, and if you were to look at the number of hours he actually has in the construction of the boat, he probably compares quite well to most builders.

Building a boat to such a high standard adds hours, and considering he can only work on it part-time, the duration of the build extends; it's very simple math.

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that thing looks awesome...looking forward to Farrar's boat coming out next summer....have any of these production boats sold?

 

I don't think you will see Farrar's boat on the water for another 3-4 yrs.... (Sorry kevin)

 

Farrar still needs to build

1. Keel

2. Rudder

3. Mast

4. Bowspirt

5. Finish hull

6. Install hardware

7. Build sails

 

My gut is it won't hit the water next summer!

 

 

Dont be so hard on Kevin..This took us quite longer than expected for the first hull.

But as far as I know, from the list above he has sorted out

the bowsprit, and mast

 

And we are always willing to help with the keel and rudder...

 

Kevin's a lot closer than it may appear:

 

Kevin was at the mast builder last week working on an excellent solution.

Sprit's already installed.

Interior and framing are finished (even painted).

Deck, sheer and topsides are faired and primed nearly ready for final paint.

Hull bottom outer skin is all that's left for structures.

Deck install takes about a month (even part-time).

I know he has his sails designed, so shouldn't take too long to get 3 sails cut on the plotter and stuck together (he builds sails for a living).

Sounds like there's a very good option for a rudder and keel.

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hmm...either way, sounds like there's still plenty to do.

 

a third party keel and rudder may be great and save time, but I wonder if Kevin's trying to do it all in house even if it costs x # additional months, etc.

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Jim -

 

I never said Kevin was taking a long time to build the boat or questioned his build quality.

 

I was replying to StayinStrewn that I didn't think the boat would be in the water racing next year with the list of items still not built or sourced.

 

Yes - I know Kevin is a sailmaker. Yes - I have met kevin before. Yes - Kevin is only working part time along with the two retired engineers from Electric Boat who are working on the boat

 

Speaking of how long it takes to build a boat, how is your 20ft coming? Done yet? :-)

 

Please don't put words in my mouth Jim :-)

 

Kevin - Keep up the good work!

 

How are the Russian GP-26 boats being built so quickly? A design that doesn't keep changing? Lower quality? Full time workers?

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Cool looking boat.

Really dig the GP26 concept as a modern version

of the old Quarter Tonner.

I want one! Just don't have quite enough

in the piggy bank right now - but in the future.....

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Sharp looking vessel, Mr. Donovan!

 

What is the fitting beneath the companionway?

 

Single lift point? Though it seems too far aft for that..

 

no, it is a reflector padeye for hoistıng halyards with using primary winches. single lifting point is inside the boat.

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Windseeker GP 26 launched today - looking good!

 

Lookin good indeed!!

 

Congrats to you both, it looks like an awesome boat.

I am really hoping to get a chance to see one of these in person

 

FB- Doug

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Hello to All,

Anyone reading this thread from around Istanbul or planning to be in Istanbul, if you are interested drop me a message and we can arrange for a test sail.

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Hello to All,

Anyone reading this thread from around Istanbul or planning to be in Istanbul, if you are interested drop me a message and we can arrange for a test sail.

 

 

Any sailing photos yet?

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Hello to All,

Anyone reading this thread from around Istanbul or planning to be in Istanbul, if you are interested drop me a message and we can arrange for a test sail.

 

 

Any sailing photos yet?

 

 

Today we had a trial sail on the way from the marina where we had the boatshow to sailing club. Thursday Jim will arrive to Turkey and we will have more trial sails on friday and all weekend. So we will post the photos after those sails.

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Looks great, well done all of you! FB

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Looks great, well done all of you! FB

Thanks Fred,

 

Just arrived in Istanbul (thursday @ midnight).

Looking forward to taking the new boat out for a sail.

 

Jim

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Great first day sailing - top speed 15.8 in 15 to 20 knots windspeed.

Punching through 1.5 foot chop downwind, so a lot more speed possible in better sea state.

The RIB with the photographer was having some trouble keeping up with us - hopefully we'll have some sailing shots to post soon.

In the meantime, here's a nice shot from the boat show last week . . . the boat is beautifully built.

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Beautiful looking boat. You guys must be pretty proud.

How much?

 

Cheers

Mojo

 

Hello Mojounwin,

Please see www.wraceboats.com

any questions please pm me.

cheers,

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Beautiful looking boat. You guys must be pretty proud.

How much?

 

Cheers

Mojo

 

Hello Mojounwin,

Please see www.wraceboats.com

any questions please pm me.

cheers,

 

The link has expired!

 

By the way, how does the jib track work? Do you have a better close-up picture?

 

Thanks

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First videos on youtube now - about 14 to 15 TWS , maybe gusting to 16 knots TWS.

Boats just stays on a plane constantly with plenty of power but no drama - it is a lot of fun . . .

 

I'll do better with camera mounting for today's sail . . .

 

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Beautiful looking boat. You guys must be pretty proud.

How much?

 

Cheers

Mojo

 

Hello Mojounwin,

Please see www.wraceboats.com

any questions please pm me.

cheers,

 

The link has expired!

 

By the way, how does the jib track work? Do you have a better close-up picture?

 

Thanks

Hoops... I will have the site opened up first thing next week.

We have 40,000 eur introductory price for the boat.

 

More on jib track later...

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Here's another short video on the other gybe - reaching up to clear an island to leeward, so going a couple knots faster.

 

I was quite pleased at the ability for this hull form to utilize all the power available in the rig.

 

We are powering along at about 14 knots with the spinnaker fully pressed and the helm is only moving a few degrees either side - only to position the bow correctly as we pash through the waves.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvxZ_EO9Elc&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

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Beautiful looking boat. You guys must be pretty proud.

How much?

 

Cheers

Mojo

 

Hello Mojounwin,

Please see www.wraceboats.com

any questions please pm me.

cheers,

 

The link has expired!

 

By the way, how does the jib track work? Do you have a better close-up picture?

 

Thanks

Hoops... I will have the site opened up first thing next week.

We have 40,000 eur introductory price for the boat.

 

More on jib track later...

 

That is a very competitive price!

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First videos on youtube now - about 14 to 15 TWS , maybe gusting to 16 knots TWS.

Boats just stays on a plane constantly with plenty of power but no drama - it is a lot of fun . . .

 

I'll do better with camera mounting for today's sail . . .

 

 

Sweet! Whose sails?

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First videos on youtube now - about 14 to 15 TWS , maybe gusting to 16 knots TWS.

Boats just stays on a plane constantly with plenty of power but no drama - it is a lot of fun . . .

 

I'll do better with camera mounting for today's sail . . .

 

 

Sweet! Whose sails?

 

Sails supplied by Quantum Turkey

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First videos on youtube now - about 14 to 15 TWS , maybe gusting to 16 knots TWS.

Boats just stays on a plane constantly with plenty of power but no drama - it is a lot of fun . . .

 

I'll do better with camera mounting for today's sail . . .

 

 

Sweet! Whose sails?

 

Sails supplied by Quantum Turkey

 

Optimal crew weight?

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First videos on youtube now - about 14 to 15 TWS , maybe gusting to 16 knots TWS.

Boats just stays on a plane constantly with plenty of power but no drama - it is a lot of fun . . .

 

I'll do better with camera mounting for today's sail . . .

 

 

Sweet! Whose sails?

 

Sails supplied by Quantum Turkey

 

Optimal crew weight?

 

Class rules 340 kgs.

Jim thinks the boat likes around 450 kgs.

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Optimal crew weight?

 

Class rules 340 kgs.

Jim thinks the boat likes around 450 kgs.

 

For what conditions though, because ouch, that's a big disparity. Lots of sudden weight loss hijinks to always be max weight. Obviously it is down to the box rule itself, although 340kg seems a reasonable weight limit for this size yacht. I imagine they have the box fully powered up for light air (Med) conditions, and for peak performance in optimal (higher breeze) conditions more crew weight is needed?

 

Very impressive build and design. The video clips are proof of that. Looks to run on rails. I love how balanced and solid the helm looks.

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Optimal crew weight?

 

Class rules 340 kgs.

Jim thinks the boat likes around 450 kgs.

 

For what conditions though, because ouch, that's a big disparity. Lots of sudden weight loss hijinks to always be max weight. Obviously it is down to the box rule itself, although 340kg seems a reasonable weight limit for this size yacht. I imagine they have the box fully powered up for light air (Med) conditions, and for peak performance in optimal (higher breeze) conditions more crew weight is needed?

 

Very impressive build and design. The video clips are proof of that. Looks to run on rails. I love how balanced and solid the helm looks.

 

Hi Herb,

 

 

The GP 26 class rules stipulate 340kg (4 x 85kg), which is 20kg less than the Melges 24 max crew weight.

For a boat 2 feet longer with a much bigger rig and a lot more available power, it makes complete sense to have a higher crew weight limit than the Melges.

I was thinking 420kg would make sense.

We used to sail "Remedy", my MORC 27 footer, with a 7 person crew (that was a bit crowded).

 

After sailing the boat for 3 days, it's quite suitable for a 5 person crew; plenty of room on deck and work to do getting sails up and down at the marks.

It also would allow more people out sailing on the boats, so what's the harm in that?

 

 

If you sail in a light air area you don't need to take the full crew; fairly simple concept I think . . .

 

Heading home today after a great expereince sailing the boat for three days in Istanbul.

And most gratifying to sail this beautifully crafted boat that is actually built to the plans and at the proper weight.

It's all quite good.

 

 

Jim D

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The GP 26 class rules stipulate 340kg (4 x 85kg), which is 20kg less than the Melges 24 max crew weight.

For a boat 2 feet longer with a much bigger rig and a lot more available power, it makes complete sense to have a higher crew weight limit than the Melges.

I was thinking 420kg would make sense.

We used to sail "Remedy", my MORC 27 footer, with a 7 person crew (that was a bit crowded).

 

After sailing the boat for 3 days, it's quite suitable for a 5 person crew; plenty of room on deck and work to do getting sails up and down at the marks.

It also would allow more people out sailing on the boats, so what's the harm in that?

 

 

If you sail in a light air area you don't need to take the full crew; fairly simple concept I think . . .

 

Heading home today after a great expereince sailing the boat for three days in Istanbul.

And most gratifying to sail this beautifully crafted boat that is actually built to the plans and at the proper weight.

It's all quite good.

 

 

Jim D

 

Remedy was my favorite boat at Key West in 2007, just gorgeous and functional. I didn't know anything about you or your boats at the time, but I kept thinking how that thing only needed a sprit and a carbon mast and it would be just perfect. :) Looking back, I can see the full evolution to your more modern stuff.

 

Cheers,

 

jason

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Please post more videos before you leave!

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I like that mainsheet arrangement.

 

Thanks Bob - we have a slightly different flavor planned for Kevin Farrar's boat - a more custom arrangement that should be interesting . . .

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I imagine they have the box fully powered up for light air (Med) conditions, and for peak performance in optimal (higher breeze) conditions more crew weight is needed?

Depends

I would not agree from a Sportsboat perspective

 

  • Closing on 50% ballast ratio, specifically 500kg odd and 1.9mtrs deep
  • arg. fully maxxed form stability, chines at virtually full width going max aft, this has to be factored in
  • Above two make for quite a stiff platform, you simply will not get any stiffer without adding 100s in lead
  • Rig is conservative compared to inshore maxxed up Antipodean & Euro SBs, probably scales to a M24, roughly, i would say mid-size rig

The Sydney based Munster/Barret GP loves a breeze

Basically it is stiff/stable compared to a souped SB which arguably would power up further down-range, and start to slow up/stagger sooner (simply due to SA) whilst the GP would be hooking in it's sweet zone

 

agree, in a breeze you could run more crew weight out of class, always helps & the boat would love it,

but that applies to all non-leadmines

 

now if you are comparing it to a Corby, j/80, offshore boat, IRC boat, or 1/4 tonner, 'the box' would arguably be powered up and flighty, but IMO No Way is it a tender drift special

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I imagine they have the box fully powered up for light air (Med) conditions, and for peak performance in optimal (higher breeze) conditions more crew weight is needed?

Depends

I would not agree from a Sportsboat perspective

 

  • Closing on 50% ballast ratio, specifically 500kg odd and 1.9mtrs deep
  • arg. fully maxxed form stability, chines at virtually full width going max aft, this has to be factored in
  • Above two make for quite a stiff platform, you simply will not get any stiffer without adding 100s in lead
  • Rig is conservative compared to inshore maxxed up Antipodean & Euro SBs, probably scales to a M24, roughly, i would say mid-size rig

The Sydney based Munster/Barret GP loves a breeze

Basically it is stiff/stable compared to a souped SB which arguably would power up further down-range, and start to slow up/stagger sooner (simply due to SA) whilst the GP would be hooking in it's sweet zone

 

agree, in a breeze you could run more crew weight out of class, always helps & the boat would love it,

but that applies to all non-leadmines

 

now if you are comparing it to a Corby, j/80, offshore boat, IRC boat, or 1/4 tonner, 'the box' would arguably be powered up and flighty, but IMO No Way is it a tender drift special

 

 

There is no doubt that the GP 26 rule delivers a quite stable platform, and I can add some substance to a comparison to the Melges 24 (well known bench mark is this size of SB):

 

Melges 24 is 2 feet shorter and 2" narrower and weighs in at approx 2700 lbs (1225kg) with crew and sails - approx Displ/Length ratio of 100.

GP 26 weighs in at approx 3064 lbs (1390kg) with crew and sails - approx Displ/Length ratio of 83, so you can see the boat is considerably lighter for it's length than the M24.

 

Wetted surface comparison of the hull forms have the GP 26 in sailing trim approx 15% greater than the Melges 24.

This difference is probably closer to 18% on my design due to the proportionally larger keel and rudder foils.

 

GP 26 rig is 4.75 ft (1.45m) or 15% taller.

Upwind sail area is 30% greater and downwind sail area is 47% higher (the max class spinnaker is rather large).

 

What makes the GP 26 work much better than the Melges 24 is the added stability from higher tech construction (hull & deck weight the same as a Melges 24) and much more efficient ballast arrangement. The added stability allows the boat to extract the power available in the larger rig.

After sailing the GP 26 I can attest to the fact that it works very well.

 

Is the GP 26 a "maxxed up Antipodean or Euro SB"?

NO - it was never intended to be.

 

Recent tradegies have shown some of the issues that can exist with less-restricted designs; the boats require a higher degree of experience aboard and are simply more at risk of capsize in severe weather.

 

The GP 26 box requires complaince with OSR Cat 4, so the structures and stability are required to meet reasonable safety standards.

My design has a ORC measured capsize angle calculated at 128 degrees.

 

Just as the TP 52 class in not the fastest 52 foot package available, similar parameters of reasonably high power and light weight put the GP 26 in the range where most sailors will be able to operate the boat safely and have a great time doing so.

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I had a moment to make a short movie of the transom while sailing

This video was shot on the third day out sailing where we had 9 to 12 knots TWS - you can see in the movie how calm the sea is.

We hoisted a code zero and started reaching around at about 75 to 80 AWA; the boat quickly started planning in the 12 knot "gusts" - top speed was 11.5 knots.

The boat isn't all that sensitive to trim and you can walk around without much affect to speed.

I'm very pleased with how nicely the hull slips through the water - water comes clean off the transom with a clean wake streaming straight out the back.

 

It's taking a little while for the movie to download - I'll post it as soon as it's done.

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I imagine they have the box fully powered up for light air (Med) conditions, and for peak performance in optimal (higher breeze) conditions more crew weight is needed?

Depends

I would not agree from a Sportsboat perspective

 

  • Closing on 50% ballast ratio, specifically 500kg odd and 1.9mtrs deep
  • arg. fully maxxed form stability, chines at virtually full width going max aft, this has to be factored in
  • Above two make for quite a stiff platform, you simply will not get any stiffer without adding 100s in lead
  • Rig is conservative compared to inshore maxxed up Antipodean & Euro SBs, probably scales to a M24, roughly, i would say mid-size rig

The Sydney based Munster/Barret GP loves a breeze

Basically it is stiff/stable compared to a souped SB which arguably would power up further down-range, and start to slow up/stagger sooner (simply due to SA) whilst the GP would be hooking in it's sweet zone

 

agree, in a breeze you could run more crew weight out of class, always helps & the boat would love it,

but that applies to all non-leadmines

 

now if you are comparing it to a Corby, j/80, offshore boat, IRC boat, or 1/4 tonner, 'the box' would arguably be powered up and flighty, but IMO No Way is it a tender drift special

 

 

There is no doubt that the GP 26 rule delivers a quite stable platform, and I can add some substance to a comparison to the Melges 24 (well known bench mark is this size of SB):

 

Melges 24 is 2 feet shorter and 2" narrower and weighs in at approx 2700 lbs (1225kg) with crew and sails - approx Displ/Length ratio of 100.

GP 26 weighs in at approx 3064 lbs (1390kg) with crew and sails - approx Displ/Length ratio of 83, so you can see the boat is considerably lighter for it's length than the M24.

 

 

Sure about your length? From what i know the Melges is longer than 24ft. The Melges website says it's 7,82m, not sure if the rudder is included. But if it's LoA the length of the hull won't be shorter than ~7,60m IMO so about 1 ft. shorter than the GP26.

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Sure about your length? From what i know the Melges is longer than 24ft. The Melges website says it's 7,82m, not sure if the rudder is included. But if it's LoA the length of the hull won't be shorter than ~7,60m IMO so about 1 ft. shorter than the GP26.

 

7.82m is 25'-8" - not sure what they're measuring.

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I had a moment to make a short movie of the transom while sailing

This video was shot on the third day out sailing where we had 9 to 12 knots TWS - you can see in the movie how calm the sea is.

We hoisted a code zero and started reaching around at about 75 to 80 AWA; the boat quickly started planning in the 12 knot "gusts" - top speed was 11.5 knots.

The boat isn't all that sensitive to trim and you can walk around without much affect to speed.

I'm very pleased with how nicely the hull slips through the water - water comes clean off the transom with a clean wake streaming straight out the back.

 

It's taking a little while for the movie to download - I'll post it as soon as it's done.

 

Link to video:

 

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Does the outboard motor stay on the transom bracket all the time

or is there stowage for it down below?

 

Also what facilities are there below - any bunks or is it

just a big sail bin?

Mike (Old Seadog)

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Does the outboard motor stay on the transom bracket all the time

or is there stowage for it down below?

 

Also what facilities are there below - any bunks or is it

just a big sail bin?

Mike (Old Seadog)

 

Hi Mike,

 

Outboard bracket is removable - first hull has a fixed bracket per the owner's preference.

There are plenty of options for outboard storage dependant on the type of outboard.

Generally I like to have a padded bag for the outboard and a simple strapping arrngement to secure it in place below.

The new electric outboards are a very nice choice for a boat like this - no gas smell below.

 

There are several options for berths.

The design is suitable to have 2 pipe cots fitted, one port and one starboard above the built-in seats (W.T. tanks)providing excellent sea-berths for overnight racing.

Forward there s a large W.T. tank that has it's top at typical V-berth height - this is quite large and would be my choice for a "cruising" berth.

There is also the ability to fit a portable toilet in a molded compartment under the forward hatch.

 

Hard to imagine that such a great performance yacht has some ability to accomodate a crew for an extended race, or even some potential for very basic cruising.

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We proudly announce sale of GP26 class race boat hull#2 to Hong Kong. We shall start construction immediately and with over a month in transit, she should hit the water in feb 2012.

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flame away, but how difficult would it be to get a cat 2 rating

 

Fitted inboard propulsion is the biggest requirement - this would move the boat away from a fully competitve GP 26 class racer, but there's plenty off space available for a small inboard.

 

Beyond that there's some galley equipment, fresh water tanks, and liferaft to consider; again not too difficult to fit although you'd want to be able to easily remove all of this gear for class racing.

 

 

Cat 2 has a stability requirement that I have not reviewed for this design; I suspect the boat would easily pass due to it's high angle for the limit of positive stability.

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We proudly announce sale of GP26 class race boat hull#2 to Hong Kong. We shall start construction immediately and with over a month in transit, she should hit the water in feb 2012.

Congrats! Great to see the class growing.

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Maybe time to update the Class website then Jim?

There hasn't been any news on it for ages.

This Turkish builder could be important for the

growth of the GP26 in Europe.

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seahorse magazine article

 

Yeah, read that just now which brought me to the computer to look for photos and videos.

 

Nice looking boat and a very reasonable price...

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looking good...is there a count on hulls sold?

 

any to the US?

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looking good...is there a count on hulls sold?

 

any to the US?

 

Count is easy so far.

Hull #1 factory car (not for sale)

Hull #2 Going to Hong Kong will be ready by mid Jan.

Hull#3 For sale 6-8 weeks production time.

 

We had some enquiries from USA, (from Europe and Australia as well) but none has turned into an agreement yet. I think there will be more interest after Kevin's launch for which we are building the keel and bulb by the way.

 

 

 

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Beautiful boat! I also drool over Rapid Transit on the hard as walk from my executive parking spot to the CYC.

JD, as you seem active and influential in the class rule I was wondering why fixed prods are not permitted and square top mains are out.

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sounds good...looking forward to seeing Kevin's next summer

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Limited time offer boats ordered from USA,

Good for boats orders filled in pairs and good until Kevin's launch...

 

GP 26 Standard boat with specifications found on here

Delivered to NY Port 50,000 USD (+ VAT if applicable)

 

Some details:

Choice of Harken or antal equipment

Pauger Mast shipped in 2 pieces to be attached at delivery

Color hull#1 Gray

 

for further info please pm me

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Hull 2 new photos

0382: Optional floor boards with keel frame clear coated carbon

0392: revised composite stanchion studs

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I guess you have never seen the inside of an Olson 30 and it's stanchions pockets. All they do is leak water.... I'm surprised you didn't go with something more modern like most boat have flush beck stanchions with knees below them.

 

Just my 2 cents..... I hated them when I had and Olson.

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the GP 26 pockets look to be separate from the hull, and O30 sorta glassed to the hull...maybe that will be enough to avoid leaks??

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I guess you have never seen the inside of an Olson 30 and it's stanchions pockets. All they do is leak water.... I'm surprised you didn't go with something more modern like most boat have flush beck stanchions with knees below them.

 

Just my 2 cents..... I hated them when I had and Olson.

 

Hi Savage 17,

Not exactly... We do not have stanchion pockets. Instead what we do have is composite studs laminated to inside of the hull. These come out of the deck, they look flush from outside. The stanchions are fixed onto these studs with a set screw. I will send a picture tomorrow.

I guess Mr. Daly will be very happy after reading this.

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You guys should post threads in Ocean Anarchy and the general Sailing Anarchy with this deal, and/or about these boats. They have more than just sport boat appeal.

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Beautiful boat! I also drool over Rapid Transit on the hard as walk from my executive parking spot to the CYC.

JD, as you seem active and influential in the class rule I was wondering why fixed prods are not permitted and square top mains are out.

 

Very good point _DC_.

 

The class is rapidly taking on the mantle of the premier, small boat, non - 1 design rule. Keeping the boats looking fresh and modern will be a challenge, look at how the 505 class is busy destroying itself over no-brainer developments like carbon masts (not sure what the latest status of that is..). We all see & drool over the wonderful TP52s & GP 42s in the magazines, why can we not have the same just smaller? Other side of the coin is how to maintain the longer term value of fleet?

 

I see a few areas in the rule that need to be reviewed:

Rule 204.3 (number of spreaders with a carbon mast), needs to be 2 - better still remove this piece of the rule;

Rule 204.6b (single backstays) - the modern boats need these to handle the loads of the big asymmetric code zero with a fat headed main;

Rule 205.1 (no batten above MGT) - a possible solution here might be to have a maximum sum of all mainsail batten lengths (spend it where you like).

 

As soon as I can sell my boat I'm getting one of these...

Tough to squirrel money away when the wife knows what I'm trying to do...

 

 

:-)

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Beautiful boat! I also drool over Rapid Transit on the hard as walk from my executive parking spot to the CYC.

JD, as you seem active and influential in the class rule I was wondering why fixed prods are not permitted and square top mains are out.

 

Very good point _DC_.

 

The class is rapidly taking on the mantle of the premier, small boat, non - 1 design rule. Keeping the boats looking fresh and modern will be a challenge, look at how the 505 class is busy destroying itself over no-brainer developments like carbon masts (not sure what the latest status of that is..). We all see & drool over the wonderful TP52s & GP 42s in the magazines, why can we not have the same just smaller? Other side of the coin is how to maintain the longer term value of fleet?

 

I see a few areas in the rule that need to be reviewed:

Rule 204.3 (number of spreaders with a carbon mast), needs to be 2 - better still remove this piece of the rule;

Rule 204.6b (single backstays) - the modern boats need these to handle the loads of the big asymmetric code zero with a fat headed main;

Rule 205.1 (no batten above MGT) - a possible solution here might be to have a maximum sum of all mainsail batten lengths (spend it where you like).

 

As soon as I can sell my boat I'm getting one of these...

Tough to squirrel money away when the wife knows what I'm trying to do...

 

 

:-)

 

I agree that some modernization of the rig would help this fleet maintain a "GP" status.

A squaretop mainsail is not a difficult modifcation, so a good idea in my opinion.

 

The current rule rig weight is quite conservative, which makes the single spreader work "okay" & the mast walls can be quite thick which is good for durability.

The recent modification to allow double spreader aluminum masts and single spreader carbon masts helps make the alluminum tube an option for the cost-conscience owner.

But as the class develops I believe all the competitive boats will have carbon tubes, so rules applicable to alluminum masts will become obsolete.

 

In a short time you will likely see the GP 26 owner's organize to make these kind of upgrade decisions for their boats.

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I guess you have never seen the inside of an Olson 30 and it's stanchions pockets. All they do is leak water.... I'm surprised you didn't go with something more modern like most boat have flush beck stanchions with knees below them.

 

Just my 2 cents..... I hated them when I had and Olson.

 

Hi Savage 17,

Not exactly... We do not have stanchion pockets. Instead what we do have is composite studs laminated to inside of the hull. These come out of the deck, they look flush from outside. The stanchions are fixed onto these studs with a set screw. I will send a picture tomorrow.

I guess Mr. Daly will be very happy after reading this.

 

stud stanchion base picture attached. only a few more dusty says left for her...

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Ah...much better then the Olson design. I take it the stanchion is hollow and just mounts over the tube?

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Ah...much better then the Olson design. I take it the stanchion is hollow and just mounts over the tube?

 

exactly that.

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Thank you Windseeker and Kevin for all the fascinating pics and comments on the building of these GP26s.

It is really interesting to those of us who study yacht design and construction and hope to eventually

be able to afford one of these boats.

As a sailor who spent many years in IOR Ton boats, I love the idea of the GP26 as a modern Quarter Tonner.

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Today we lifted the boat for IRC and SMS measurement. Without the outboard the scale showed 1025 kgs. Will have the certificates in about a week.

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So how can ORC be convinced to adopt square top mainsails Jim? I am sure the class would benefit given current race boats sail plan.

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So how can ORC be convinced to adopt square top mainsails Jim? I am sure the class would benefit given current race boats sail plan.

 

Rule stability is usually a good thing for classes, and dramatic changes should be carefully considered.

 

In my opinion allowing square-top mainsails is a matter for the yacht owners to debate; there is a definite financial impact of this change.

If the yacht owner's want sqaure top mainsails for the boats, they can go as a group to ORC and most likely obtain a modification to the rule.

 

The ORC has been very proactive in working to improve this rule, primarily through better definition and some improvements that simply make good sense.

We have all dealt with the various handicap rules that change anually, often for no obvious reason or need; this can drive participants away.

What I have seen in the GP 26 rule is excellent administration making limited changes, including intelligent discussion before any change has been adopted.

 

 

This morning I have been discussing how we can expand the US GP 26 Assoc. to include the 2 or 3 dozen GP 26s that exist around the world.

In the near future we should have this international owners assoc. set up to allow interaction between the owners, builders and designers that will provide the forum to discuss changes such as square top mainsails.

 

Growth of the GP 26 class has been steady even through the global financial crisis; I believe this is generated purely by the excellence of the boat defined by the rule - the GP 26 is simply a great sailboat.

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$50K in New York... hurts that I don't have it presently, if I did that seems the best choice for me I could make. That's a killer deal.

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So I hear that hull No 2 is nearly finished and came out better than No 1?

I'd really like to see some photos :)

 

Hi Jim here they are...

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Wow. Wowee wow wow.

 

That's the WOW factor baby!

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Still 50K Euros?

 

No. Not 50,000eur.

This boat has some options but 50k eur can get you the extras and a set of sails.

Standart boat 50,000 usd east coast usa delivered for a limited time. 2 boat order filled together.

40,000 eur rest of the world.

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