• Announcements

    • Zapata

      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Larry

Some of my old sailing photos

Recommended Posts

Okay, thanks, lurker.

 

Magistri was pictured earlier on page 15 of 33.

 

She didn't look quite the same from the aerial perspective. Sail number is shown in 1983 SORC scratch sheet.

 

Thanks again.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Outsder. Judel-Vrolik 40. 1984 SORC, Class E. St. Pete to Ft. Lauderdale Race.

 

 

 

Picture2-17.png

 

.

 

Look at those sissies running off both guys, and hiding in the back of the boat.

 

A couple hours later, when it got really windy, we had to institute the two driver rule.

Looks like the two guys in the Line 7's are playing old maids, or slap, or pinocle?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I (and Sailman) raced that One tonner at NY Maritime (till stick came down one fateful LLoyd Harbor Fall Series). Interesting boat to learn the bow.

 

 

Sail safe!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Artemis. A. Emil, NY, NY. Peterson 51. 1983 SORC Class B, rated IOR 40.6. Miami to Nassau Race.

 

 

Artemis83SORCE900.jpg

 

.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Artemis. A. Emil, NY, NY. Peterson 51. 1983 SORC Class B, rated IOR 40.6. Miami to Nassau Race.

 

 

Artemis83SORCE900.jpg

 

.

That same boat is sitting in Consolidated Yacht Yard on City Is, Bronx NY, today

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Outsder. Judel-Vrolik 40. 1984 SORC, Class E. St. Pete to Ft. Lauderdale Race.

 

 

 

Picture2-17.png

 

.

 

Look at those sissies running off both guys, and hiding in the back of the boat.

 

A couple hours later, when it got really windy, we had to institute the two driver rule.

Looks like the two guys in the Line 7's are playing old maids, or slap, or pinocle?

 

 

ro sham bo

guy on the stbd side is going with rock

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Here's Heritage, for years a Chicago boat and a main fixture on the Great Lakes racing scene.

She even won all three races of the Super Mac one year.

 

HeriatgeDonWidlman1024.jpg

Gotta wonder if wearing tight shorts like that in today's era might get ya a 3 second penalty in PHRF...

 

On a serious note: Great photos!!!! I am a multiple sailboat owner today thanks to the handful of rides I received as a kid back in the 70's aboard a couple of large, well-known C&C's out of Holland MI: Matina (sp?) and Windigo. A 6yr old could hide for days buried under the giant headsails and spinnakers stored in their forepeaks...

 

The posture and physic of the sailmaker in the stern are priceless.

 

The more things change the more they stay the same.

 

that is no sailmaker behind Don, that is Gunther the Nazi

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Here's Heritage, for years a Chicago boat and a main fixture on the Great Lakes racing scene.

She even won all three races of the Super Mac one year.

 

HeriatgeDonWidlman1024.jpg

Gotta wonder if wearing tight shorts like that in today's era might get ya a 3 second penalty in PHRF...

 

On a serious note: Great photos!!!! I am a multiple sailboat owner today thanks to the handful of rides I received as a kid back in the 70's aboard a couple of large, well-known C&C's out of Holland MI: Matina (sp?) and Windigo. A 6yr old could hide for days buried under the giant headsails and spinnakers stored in their forepeaks...

 

The posture and physic of the sailmaker in the stern are priceless.

 

The more things change the more they stay the same.

 

that is no sailmaker behind Don, that is Gunther the Nazi

BTW - anyone want to know why Kevlar corners on a Dacron sail didn't work very well. Here is a wonderful history lesson for you all.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Most lake ontario sailors grew up racing Thunderbirds........chined, slab sided plywood home mades.....but they were excellent fast racers. Herewith the biggest Thunderbird of them all....Ragtime.....I am sure you west coasters remember racing this amazing boat.post-34421-051175900 1306073170_thumb.jpg

Remember?

 

She's right down the street! Looking as good or better than ever!

Coupl'a years back I belileve...pure porn

RAGTIME-715360.jpg

 

Look at the size of that 110 !

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Detente. Julian Richards, New Orleans LA. Peterson 42, New Orleans Design. 1984 SORC, Class D, rated 32.6.

Tom Blackaller, skipper.

 

 

Detente-Oval-84W-800.jpg

 

.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Chester Kuttner was a friend at Columbia,

and double Island Goat with more than 50 Chicago to Mackinac races to his credit.

 

He was my go-to guy when it came to racing rules and was always sharing tips.

 

Chester was also one hell of a dancer.

When the Florida rocked in heavy swells, he danced as though the boat was steady.

His dancing was in time to the music and the motion of the clubship,

 

He was amazing, and a great guy.

 

RIP, Chet (1993).

 

 

 

Picture2-16.png

 

 

 

I found this Tribune article from 1993.

 

http://articles.chic...ising-executive

 

 

..

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I ran into Chester at the Columbia YC bar one sunday after noon. When I asked him why he was laughing he told me that his wife had thrown a fit when he proposed to go to CYC for a drink so he went into the bathroom, turned on the shower and climbed out of the bathroom window.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Lets try and keep this to photos and anecdotes that are not embarrassing to somebody in a family.........SA is anarchy, not just bad taste............herewith Grampus under spinnaker..........you big talkers can buy her now relatively inexpensively............but then again, talk without photos is cheap..........post-34421-072514000 1306798178_thumb.jpg

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Lets try and keep this to photos and anecdotes that are not embarrassing to somebody in a family.........SA is anarchy, not just bad taste

 

 

But those are the best stories....

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Celebration. Bruce and Pat Clark. Norwalk CT. Cook 40. 1983 SORC, Class E, rated IOR 30.8. Miami to Nassau Race.

 

 

 

CelebrationfromOverhead83E900.png

 

.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hey Larry if I haven't said it before, this is an awesome thing you are doing. That pic of Celebration above, the same race I was on Stars and Stripes. If that is right after the start, we were up to windward. I have an aerial pic of the whole class right after the start. Maybe you took it? Anyway, I would be excited to see any of S&S from that race.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Celebration. Bruce and Pat Clark. Norwalk CT. Cook 40. 1983 SORC, Class E, rated IOR 30.8. Miami to Nassau Race.

 

 

 

CelebrationfromOverhead83E900.png

 

.

Maybe its the perspective but the rig on Celebration really looks tall for an IOR sailplan (even a frac) of the day. Does anyone know the history?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Celebration. Bruce and Pat Clark. Norwalk CT. Cook 40. 1983 SORC, Class E, rated IOR 30.8. Miami to Nassau Race.

 

 

 

CelebrationfromOverhead83E900.png

 

.

Maybe its the perspective but the rig on Celebration really looks tall for an IOR sailplan (even a frac) of the day. Does anyone know the history?

For a Frac 1 Ton it's about right. If I remember correctly Gypsy Magik (nee Outsider) had a bridge clearance of ~70'

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

... ... ... ...

 

Maybe its the perspective but the rig on Celebration really looks tall for an IOR sailplan (even a frac) of the day. Does anyone know the history?

For a Frac 1 Ton it's about right. If I remember correctly Gypsy Magik (nee Outsider) had a bridge clearance of ~70'

 

That was a time (early~mid Eighties) when disco was proclaimed DEAD and foretriangles were shrinking. I remember looking at a bunch of new boats and thinking "at some point, they are going to have to put the forehatch behind the mast."

 

Stern distortions were still all the rage though ;)

 

And Larry, thanks a million, this has been a great great thread

 

FB- Doug

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Cayenne. Sail number 14740. Annapolis Yacht Club. Storm Trysail Week, Block Island, 1983.

 

On page 11 0f 34, woftam said,

Wow! The death wagon.

Owned By Don Tate.

Morgan 60.

 

and sailman said,

Designed by Charley Morgan? Late 70's vintage?

 

Stories, please. : ) Did anybody here ever race on Cayenne?

 

 

Picture1-28.png

 

.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Anything with the nickname "The Death Wagon" has to have a story....

 

Cayenne. Sail number 14740. Annapolis Yacht Club. Storm Trysail Week, Block Island, 1983.

 

On page 11 0f 34, woftam said,

Wow! The death wagon.

Owned By Don Tate.

Morgan 60.

 

and sailman said,

Designed by Charley Morgan? Late 70's vintage?

 

Stories, please. : ) Did anybody here ever race on Cayenne?

 

 

Picture1-28.png

 

.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Cayenne. Sail number 14740. Annapolis Yacht Club. Storm Trysail Week, Block Island, 1983.

 

On page 11 0f 34, woftam said,

Wow! The death wagon.

Owned By Don Tate.

Morgan 60.

 

and sailman said,

Designed by Charley Morgan? Late 70's vintage?

 

Stories, please. : ) Did anybody here ever race on Cayenne?

 

 

Picture1-28.png

 

.

 

Originally named Gusto

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Victory '83 at Newport, 1983.

 

 

Picture6-1.png

 

 

.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Victory '83 at Newport, 1983.

 

 

Picture6-1.png

 

 

.

 

Larry,

 

How was it being there? Could you see the difference in the boats, like AII? Or was it more subtle?

 

Great thread, have really enjoyed checking it out most every day.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It was great being in Newport three times for a total of seven weeks that summer.

Most of the time I was photographing the boats during practice or sail testing,

because I couldn't get close enough to them during actual races to get good results.

 

The boats were rather evenly matched but now and then a boat would gain perhaps 1/4 mile in five.

Then I sure it was crew work or tactics that had put the follower that far back.

It seemed no boat was THAT much better than another.

 

I lived at the harbor, at Newport Offshore, and stayed as a guest of an owner there on a boat called "No Shoes."

Many rides were provided on syndicate members' tenders. I think I paid for one ride the entire summer,

on a pontoon boat we almost turned into a submarine after speeding up on Liberty's wake while she was

entering the harbor under tow.

 

It was fun. I had fun, my assistant had fun, too. We had great food and hit most of the night spots.

There's no place quite like Newport.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Migizi. H.M Baskerville. Farr 37. 1983 SORC Class F, rated IOR 28.9. St. Petersburg to Ft. Lauderdale Race.

 

 

Migizi83SORCw900.jpg

 

 

.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
post-34421-069539200 1307134439_thumb.jpg Not sailing but here is a half model of Caprice (Stuart Elliott, Columbia Yacht Club, '71 C&C Custom 43) with a load of plaques for many many Chicago Mac attempts. I think she won her class once. Surely you guys out there from Chicago remember her or even sailed on her. The owner is currently circumnavigating.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Migizi. H.M Baskerville. Farr 37. 1983 SORC Class F, rated IOR 28.9. St. Petersburg to Ft. Lauderdale Race.

 

 

Migizi83SORCw900.jpg

 

 

.

Wow maybe s72 in that other thread should by this Doyle kite too and start complaining. I hope it was built this way for some rating help! Ugly!!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Cayenne. Sail number 14740. Annapolis Yacht Club. Storm Trysail Week, Block Island, 1983.

 

On page 11 0f 34, woftam said,

Wow! The death wagon.

Owned By Don Tate.

Morgan 60.

 

and sailman said,

Designed by Charley Morgan? Late 70's vintage?

 

Stories, please. : ) Did anybody here ever race on Cayenne?

 

Yes !

And a few friends

 

 

Picture1-28.png

 

.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Migizi. H.M Baskerville. Farr 37. 1983 SORC Class F, rated IOR 28.9. St. Petersburg to Ft. Lauderdale Race.

 

 

Migizi83SORCw900.jpg

 

 

.

Wow maybe s72 in that other thread should by this Doyle kite too and start complaining. I hope it was built this way for some rating help! Ugly!!!

That's a little baby 85% 2.2oz storm kite. One of the boys told me that they'd destroyed their only other ones, so this little thing was all they had left. Seems to be doing the job OK, though, despite that.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Migizi. H.M Baskerville. Farr 37. 1983 SORC Class F, rated IOR 28.9. St. Petersburg to Ft. Lauderdale Race.

 

 

.

Wow maybe s72 in that other thread should by this Doyle kite too and start complaining. I hope it was built this way for some rating help! Ugly!!!

 

 

Those Doyles won their class that year....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Charisma V. Max Baxter. C&C 41. 1983 SORC Class E, rated IOR 31.8. Miami to Nassau Race.

 

 

Picture9-1.png

 

.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Charisma V. Max Baxter. C&C 41. 1983 SORC Class E, rated IOR 31.8. Miami to Nassau Race.

 

 

I asked this earlier, but did not receive a reply.

 

Did this boat become Nauti Rowdy, down Chester way?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Diva. B. Beilken, West Germany. JOU/NIV 39. 1984 SORC Class E, rated IOR 30.5. St. Petersburg to Boca Grande and Return, near finish.

 

 

Picture7-2.png

 

.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What a good sensation to look at this famous "Diva"

Just remember her first run in solent, skipped by her owner B.Moureau (J.Pahun member's crew :)) who asked to M.Joubert and B.Nivelt to design a boat which was 2 years more ahead of one's time

B.Beilken always focused on these stars (remember Gumboot before Diva...) and succeeded in winning afterwhile with them anyway....

Just checked that,, at that time, IOR didnt limit members of crew and crew's weight :) (12 on the Larry's photo)

 

TX again Larry for those very good memories

 

quote name='Larry' timestamp='1307291512' post='3289308']

Diva. B. Beilken, West Germany. JOU/NIV 39. 1984 SORC Class E, rated IOR 30.5. St. Petersburg to Boca Grande and Return, near finish.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Probably i'm very wrong, but that boat looks like a Jepessen's one , 37 feet (Although it would be usually a split rigging)?

 

 

Did any anarchists sail on Esprit in the 1983 SORC?

 

Esprit900.jpg

 

 

Not Esprit...but sailed on a boat named Hat Trick in the '83 SORC. Any pics of that one??

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I thought the first of the Jeppeson boats was the X402 which came out just in time for the 1984 One Ton Cup rating 30.5.? Could be built as masthead or 3/4 rig.

Probably i'm very wrong, but that boat looks like a Jepessen's one , 37 feet (Although it would be usually a split rigging)?

 

 

Did any anarchists sail on Esprit in the 1983 SORC?

 

Esprit900.jpg

 

 

Not Esprit...but sailed on a boat named Hat Trick in the '83 SORC. Any pics of that one??

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Alan Gurney also designed the Competition 1000, a half tonner. We had one in Seattle, STREAKER. It was not very fast. The hull form was quite similar to that of the Islander 41 and that boat was a real, hmmm,,,,the word pig comes to mind. He was a great designer but I find it hard to draw a line between the genius of WW and the I-41. The old Islander 36 was a great design and a boat I still recommend to some of my consultation clients. Gurney dropped out of yacht design to devote full time to writing outdoors bokks. It's too bad. It would have been interesting to see what he would be drawing today.

 

my old man won the 1973 port huron race on a i-41 known as coverage. they sailed into mackinac, to find only brassy (c&c 61) and tenacious (s&s 61) had finished. they answered "yes" to questions of "are you in the race?" they proceeded to tie up next to tenacious, but were declined ted's rare air and moved on down next to a vic carpenter beauty that was owned by...wait for it...gordon lightfoot. apparently it took a few miller lites before they realized who he was.

 

that year they went to harbor beach, caught a shift that had everyone to the east beating while they close reached to cove. apparently the i-41 loves a close reach. huge interior on that boat, apparently perfect for holing up in the forepeak and doing coke off a girl's ass. same boat became brass tacks out of traverse city. subsequently sold to ???.

 

beauty pics larry. you took some very good shots in your day!!

In 73 tenacious was still DORA , believe C n C RANGER was sittingnthere as well

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Rampage. R. Richmond, Alpharetta GA. NM 41. 1984 SORC. Class D, rated IOR 32.2. St. Pete to Boca Grande and Return, near finish.

 

 

Picture3-15.png

 

.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Rampage. Douglas J. Mosher. LUYC. Lunenburg Nova Scotia, Canada. CTM 37. 1983 Storm Trysail Week, IOR Class 5. Block Island RI.

 

 

 

Rampage-900-1.jpg

 

.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I thought the first of the Jeppeson boats was the X402 which came out just in time for the 1984 One Ton Cup rating 30.5.? Could be built as masthead or 3/4 rig.

Probably i'm very wrong, but that boat looks like a Jepessen's one , 37 feet (Although it would be usually a split rigging)?

 

 

Did any anarchists sail on Esprit in the 1983 SORC?

 

Esprit900.jpg

 

 

Not Esprit...but sailed on a boat named Hat Trick in the '83 SORC. Any pics of that one??

 

It's a x-1 ton. Or a X-402 in masthead config. Looking a the cockpit/deck set up it's the 1 ton. X-Yachts did a MH and a frac config. and as did the X-402. But it might be a proto type or hy-bred. The cockpit says it's an X-1 tonner. The 402 had cockpit lockers which aren't in that photo.

 

Good boat at any regard.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Outsider. Judel-Vrolik 40. 1984 SORC, Class E. St. Pete to Ft. Lauderdale Race.

 

 

Picture6-2.png

 

 

.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Cayenne. Sail number 14740. Annapolis Yacht Club. Storm Trysail Week, Block Island, 1983.

 

On page 11 0f 34, woftam said,

Wow! The death wagon.

Owned By Don Tate.

Morgan 60.

 

and sailman said,

Designed by Charley Morgan? Late 70's vintage?

 

Stories, please. : ) Did anybody here ever race on Cayenne?

 

 

Picture1-28.png

 

.

 

 

The owner is a good guy- crew was a load of fun- "back in the day" the only real competition was Running Tide, which was a hard program to compete against on all fronts, results, preparation, crew work, looks, gear etc.... Cayenne had no more or no less problems than anyone else but compared to the perfection of RT- they got the nicknames. Loads of good memories on those boats as a kid.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hello Valentijn

 

The Sacramouche in the photo is the 45 foot. I raced the 1983 SORC on Victory (former name Don Jacinto) , a sistership of the 48 foot Scaramouche, built in Argentina which is an older and much heavier design. I did some work on the 45 foot Scaramouche in 1983 at Derecktor Gunnel in Florida.

 

Regards

 

Martín Erikson

 

 

Scaramouche, my avatar photo. Miami to Nassau Race, 1983 SORC.

 

Jack Batts was one of my customers and a great guy. I visited him in Grand Rapids.

 

 

1983 SORC: listed as Frers 50, rated IOR 34.1. -- finished 2nd in Class C, 11th in series.

 

1983 Mackinac Race: listed as Frers 45. rated 34.1.

That doesn't seem right. Is it? Two Frers in one year? Is that true, or is LOA wrong in the CYC scratch sheet???

And could both rate 34.1? I doubt that.

 

1983 Storm Trysail Week -- finished 5th in series for Class 1 (after Infinity, Boomerang, Intuition, Wunder Bear, and just ahead of Morningstar).

 

 

 

Scaramouche30.jpg

 

Anybody remember how many and what sizes the different Scaramouche's were? I sailed on a Frers 48 named Morning Star (owned by John Ambrose) which was apparently an old Scaramouche. I believe she was slightly older than the boat pictured above.

 

 

 

Hi House Salad,

 

I don't kno how many Scaramouche's were built, also don't know if one of them became MorningStar. Will check this.

 

On which of John Ambrose's Morning Star did you sail? The Frers 46 (metal boat, Yellow, SORC class C) or the Frers 50 (blue, carbon boat, SORC class B)?

 

I'm sailing the 50 foot MorningStar here in the Netherlands :-)

 

Regareds,

Valentijn

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hello Larry

 

I did not see the photo in the thread, but the Victory on the 1983 SORC was a 48 foot Frers, I was on the delivery from Argentina to the US and then stayed there for the SORC. Here is a photo from the masthead, and yes, it was unusual to have the mast match the boot stripe!

 

Regards

 

Martín Erikson

 

 

I was hoping someone would comment on Victory, on the boat, the photo, or her rating change between '83 and '84 SORC's.

I thought we might have some of her crewmembers here.,

 

I'll be working on a few more images today. : )

 

You don't see masts and spinnaker poles that have been color matched to the boot stripe very often.

post-53287-059927400 1307558913_thumb.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I found this second photograph of Victory, Larry. Thanks for your tips on the forum settings!! This is the sistership to the 48 foot Frers Scaramouche.

 

Regards

 

Martín Erikson

 

 

 

Victory, beating to Nassau. 1983 SORC.

 

 

 

VictoryBeatingtoNassau900.jpg

 

 

.

 

Gotta be a Frers (...mayyyyyybe an S&S?). Looks suspiciously like an old Scaromouche. Anybody know anything about her?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I found this second photograph of Victory, Larry. Thanks for your tips on the forum settings!! This is the sistership to the 48 foot Frers Scaramouche.

 

Regards

 

Martín Erikson

 

 

 

Victory, beating to Nassau. 1983 SORC.

 

 

 

VictoryBeatingtoNassau900.jpg

 

 

.

 

Gotta be a Frers (...mayyyyyybe an S&S?). Looks suspiciously like an old Scaromouche. Anybody know anything about her?

 

FWIW....

http://www.thecovemovieuk.com/thecove.swf

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just looked at some old photos and it appears that the X1 ton had a cut out in the transom however the X402 did not. Espirit would seem to have a GP deck with a X402 hull.

5*

I thought the first of the Jeppeson boats was the X402 which came out just in time for the 1984 One Ton Cup rating 30.5.? Could be built as masthead or 3/4 rig.

Probably i'm very wrong, but that boat looks like a Jepessen's one , 37 feet (Although it would be usually a split rigging)?

 

 

Did any anarchists sail on Esprit in the 1983 SORC?

 

Esprit900.jpg

 

 

Not Esprit...but sailed on a boat named Hat Trick in the '83 SORC. Any pics of that one??

 

It's a x-1 ton. Or a X-402 in masthead config. Looking a the cockpit/deck set up it's the 1 ton. X-Yachts did a MH and a frac config. and as did the X-402. But it might be a proto type or hy-bred. The cockpit says it's an X-1 tonner. The 402 had cockpit lockers which aren't in that photo.

 

Good boat at any regard.

post-52142-060322600 1307582101_thumb.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Probably i'm very wrong, but that boat looks like a Jepessen's one , 37 feet (Although it would be usually a split rigging)?

 

 

Did any anarchists sail on Esprit in the 1983 SORC?

 

Esprit900.jpg

 

 

Not Esprit...but sailed on a boat named Hat Trick in the '83 SORC. Any pics of that one??

 

Believe it an O.H. Rodgers 43.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thunderbird. Rich Maschke and John Erb. Columbia YC, Chicago. Cook 35. Chicago to Mackinac Race, IOR Section 6.

 

 

Picture2-21.png

 

.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

And tired sails :( !!!!

 

 

Thunderbird. Rich Maschke and John Erb. Columbia YC, Chicago. Cook 35. Chicago to Mackinac Race, IOR Section 6.

 

 

 

 

.

Ahhh colored sticky back!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Big Foot. P. Save. Stockholm, Sweden. Norlin 40. 1984 SORC Class E, rated IOR 30.1.

 

 

Picture6-5.png

 

.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Big Foot. P. Save. Stockholm, Sweden. Norlin 40. 1984 SORC Class E, rated IOR 30.1.

 

 

Picture6-5.png

 

.

Must be 1983. After SORC the boat was sold to Bruce Tardrew, renamed Surefoot, painted pale blue, and went to England - she sailed in the Papua New Guinea 1983 AC team.

 

Then she was shipped to New Guinea and sailed down to Sydney, where Ray Roberts raced her in the 83 Hobart, and the 84 races up the coast, Mooloolaba, Bris-Gladstone and Hammo.

 

Good boat.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi, P-Wop. Your dates must be a bit off.

 

Big Foot photo is from 1984 SORC, St. Petersburg to Ft. Lauderdale Race, like so many of my photos from that memorable day.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My info is that SureFoot was chartered from John Allenby to sail for the PNG 1983 Admirals Cup team. She was built in 1981 and narrowly missed being top scoring yacht in the 1982 Sardinia Cup.

S

Big Foot. P. Save. Stockholm, Sweden. Norlin 40. 1984 SORC Class E, rated IOR 30.1.

 

 

Picture6-5.png

 

.

Must be 1983. After SORC the boat was sold to Bruce Tardrew, renamed Surefoot, painted pale blue, and went to England - she sailed in the Papua New Guinea 1983 AC team.

 

Then she was shipped to New Guinea and sailed down to Sydney, where Ray Roberts raced her in the 83 Hobart, and the 84 races up the coast, Mooloolaba, Bris-Gladstone and Hammo.

 

Good boat.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My info is that SureFoot was chartered from John Allenby to sail for the PNG 1983 Admirals Cup team. She was built in 1981 and narrowly missed being top scoring yacht in the 1982 Sardinia Cup.

S

Big Foot. P. Save. Stockholm, Sweden. Norlin 40. 1984 SORC Class E, rated IOR 30.1.

 

 

Picture6-5.png

 

.

Must be 1983. After SORC the boat was sold to Bruce Tardrew, renamed Surefoot, painted pale blue, and went to England - she sailed in the Papua New Guinea 1983 AC team.

 

Then she was shipped to New Guinea and sailed down to Sydney, where Ray Roberts raced her in the 83 Hobart, and the 84 races up the coast, Mooloolaba, Bris-Gladstone and Hammo.

 

Good boat.

 

 

 

Maybe '84 Sardinia Cup.

In '82 it was Peterson and Frers designed boats in the top 3. I don't think there was a Norlin boat in the fleet.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The jpg of theAugust 1983 Seahorse was my info source.

 

My info is that SureFoot was chartered from John Allenby to sail for the PNG 1983 Admirals Cup team. She was built in 1981 and narrowly missed being top scoring yacht in the 1982 Sardinia Cup.

S

Big Foot. P. Save. Stockholm, Sweden. Norlin 40. 1984 SORC Class E, rated IOR 30.1.

 

 

Picture6-5.png

 

.

Must be 1983. After SORC the boat was sold to Bruce Tardrew, renamed Surefoot, painted pale blue, and went to England - she sailed in the Papua New Guinea 1983 AC team.

 

Then she was shipped to New Guinea and sailed down to Sydney, where Ray Roberts raced her in the 83 Hobart, and the 84 races up the coast, Mooloolaba, Bris-Gladstone and Hammo.

 

Good boat.

 

 

 

Maybe '84 Sardinia Cup.

In '82 it was Peterson and Frers designed boats in the top 3. I don't think there was a Norlin boat in the fleet.

post-52142-054331000 1307858527_thumb.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Post 1304 on page 14 of 34 clearly shows Big Foot with a masthead rig.

I made a typo there and her rating was 31.0, not 30.1.

I cut and pasted from there, so repeated my error in post 3347.

Sorry.

 

The 1984 SORC scratch sheet is shown in post 1614.

 

Could we be discussing two different boats?

 

The article posted by fivestar says that Sure Foot had a fractional rig and was 38 feet long, not 40 and that she rated IOR 30.2.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Main details of the 1982/3 SureFoot:- LOA-38.24, L-33.42,B-12.15,DM-7.84,DSPL14,329.1,RSAT858.4. Builder-Scandi Yacht 1981.

 

Post 1304 on page 14 of 34 clearly shows Big Foot with a masthead rig.

I made a typo there and her rating was 31.0, not 30.1.

I cut and pasted from there, so repeated my error in post 3347.

Sorry.

 

The 1984 SORC scratch sheet is shown in post 1614.

 

Could we be discussing two different boats?

 

The article posted by fivestar says that Sure Foot had a fractional rig and was 38 feet long, not 40 and that she rated IOR 30.2.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The jpg of theAugust 1983 Seahorse was my info source.

 

My info is that SureFoot was chartered from John Allenby to sail for the PNG 1983 Admirals Cup team. She was built in 1981 and narrowly missed being top scoring yacht in the 1982 Sardinia Cup.

S

Big Foot. P. Save. Stockholm, Sweden. Norlin 40. 1984 SORC Class E, rated IOR 30.1.

 

 

Picture6-5.png

 

.

Must be 1983. After SORC the boat was sold to Bruce Tardrew, renamed Surefoot, painted pale blue, and went to England - she sailed in the Papua New Guinea 1983 AC team.

 

Then she was shipped to New Guinea and sailed down to Sydney, where Ray Roberts raced her in the 83 Hobart, and the 84 races up the coast, Mooloolaba, Bris-Gladstone and Hammo.

 

Good boat.

 

 

 

Maybe '84 Sardinia Cup.

In '82 it was Peterson and Frers designed boats in the top 3. I don't think there was a Norlin boat in the fleet.

 

Fivestar, I humbly stand corrected.

 

Bigfoot did sail '82 Sardinia Cup (I found an entry list from the event), but I could not find the overall standings. I did that event on a boat that was 2nd overall for regatta, but I don't recall Bigfoot. However, she may easily have been a top ten boat that year (yes, the memory gets a little sketchy after almost thirty years!).

 

Bigfoot1982.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's me that's all mungled up. Age will do that to you.

 

There were of course two Bigfoots (Bigfeet?). The little frac one was in Sardinia in 82 and became Surefoot in the PNG AC team in 83, and was shipped on the good ship Meadowbank from Le Havre to Port Moresby (along with Too Impetuous and Di Hard) with yours truly aboard for the 2 month ride via Panama and about every island in the Pacific. I must post some pics.

 

Then Southern Cross (PNG team again, with Ray Roberts in charge), then all the East Coast races, and back to NSW. There she was repainted and keel re-attached at Drummoyne (painting actually done by one John McConaghy, would you believe), before I legged it away to Hawaii for Clipper Cup.

 

Sorry about the confustication.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

While we're on the Surefoot topic, here's the crew on the 1983 Sydney Hobart. What a bunch of desperadoes!

 

Apart from our illustrious leader on the stick, can any Sydney folks recognize the other criminals?

 

Happy days.

 

post-271-070570900 1307902337_thumb.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Titan. Chicago to Mackinac Race, 1982.

 

I don't have the 1982 scratch sheet and cannot recall any details about this boat.

 

 

Picture3-17.png

 

.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Good to see that's cleared up. Nice also to note there is someone else out there[Thornapple] who is a hoarder of old sailing mags. I have stacked in various places SeaHorse issues from April 1974 to July/Aug 1991 and Sail from December 1972 to January 1995. The problem is whenever I want to refer to a particular issue the Termites have got there first, especially the Sail issues.

 

It's me that's all mungled up. Age will do that to you.

 

There were of course two Bigfoots (Bigfeet?). The little frac one was in Sardinia in 82 and became Surefoot in the PNG AC team in 83, and was shipped on the good ship Meadowbank from Le Havre to Port Moresby (along with Too Impetuous and Di Hard) with yours truly aboard for the 2 month ride via Panama and about every island in the Pacific. I must post some pics.

 

Then Southern Cross (PNG team again, with Ray Roberts in charge), then all the East Coast races, and back to NSW. There she was repainted and keel re-attached at Drummoyne (painting actually done by one John McConaghy, would you believe), before I legged it away to Hawaii for Clipper Cup.

 

Sorry about the confustication.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

While we're on the Surefoot topic, here's the crew on the 1983 Sydney Hobart. What a bunch of desperadoes!

 

Apart from our illustrious leader on the stick, can any Sydney folks recognize the other criminals?

 

Happy days.

 

post-271-070570900 1307902337_thumb.jpg

 

That's of course you lingering in your yellow bibs .

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Titan. Chicago to Mackinac Race, 1982.

 

I don't have the 1982 scratch sheet and cannot recall any details about this boat.

 

 

Picture3-17.png

 

.

 

At first look this appears to be a Cal 39, or a design very similar to it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

While we're on the Surefoot topic, here's the crew on the 1983 Sydney Hobart. What a bunch of desperadoes!

 

Apart from our illustrious leader on the stick, can any Sydney folks recognize the other criminals?

 

Happy days.

 

post-271-070570900 1307902337_thumb.jpg

 

That's of course you lingering in your yellow bibs .

Not actually. It was me not in the pic that took the pic, see?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

While we're on the Surefoot topic, here's the crew on the 1983 Sydney Hobart. What a bunch of desperadoes!

 

Apart from our illustrious leader on the stick, can any Sydney folks recognize the other criminals?

 

Happy days.

 

post-271-070570900 1307902337_thumb.jpg

May be Adam South far right

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Titan. Chicago to Mackinac Race, 1982.

 

I don't have the 1982 scratch sheet and cannot recall any details about this boat.

 

 

Picture3-17.png

 

.

 

Islander 36

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Titan. Chicago to Mackinac Race, 1982.

 

I don't have the 1982 scratch sheet and cannot recall any details about this boat.

 

 

Picture3-17.png

 

.

 

Islander 36

 

Peterson 34

 

Bingo on the Peterson 34

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi I am the current owner of Outsider, little different shape..... Some call me insane. not sure why ;)

 

Outsider. Judel-Vrolik 40. 1984 SORC, Class E. St. Pete to Ft. Lauderdale Race.

post-48019-035578700 1308002700_thumb.jpgpost-48019-035578700 1308002700_thumb.jpg

 

Picture6-2.png

 

 

.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi I am the current owner of Outsider, little different shape..... Some call me insane. not sure why ;)

 

Outsider. Judel-Vrolik 40. 1984 SORC, Class E. St. Pete to Ft. Lauderdale Race.

post-48019-035578700 1308002700_thumb.jpgpost-48019-035578700 1308002700_thumb.jpg

 

Picture6-2.png

 

 

.

 

Got a current picture of the transom? That's the real money shot....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites