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7 hours ago, Shorthanded said:

1sailor, food to hear you went with the 400. Looking forward to seeing it on the water. 

I think the Muskegon team will be on the same ride this year, if I’m thinking of the same team as you. I’ll ask Don next time I see him what he has going on. He usually keeps his cards close to his chest. 

I just wrapped up a weekend of racing on San Fran bay. Nice little break from the snow and cold. 

What team are you speculating? Mystic? Sounds like they are staying on the 40.

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000, that was the team I've heard rumblings about, from a guy who apparently had indicated interest in their boat after I told him mine had been donated and was gone.   Heard nothing from the horses' mouth or any of their team members directly.

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West Michigan sailors (and in particular 000)---- does anyone have a decent handle on which set of advertising rules we can get away with  for (combination)  Mac / Queens / LTYC and of course local PHRF ? 

No, I'm not looking for sponsors or to become a billboard, but if I'm buying sails I like the idea of putting a company logo on 'em so I can use pre-tax dollars for the sail cost.

I've noticed 000's insurance agency logos--- wondering what the limitations are, I know there are various 'categories' that exist.

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11 minutes ago, 1sailor said:

West Michigan sailors (and in particular 000)---- does anyone have a decent handle on which set of advertising rules we can get away with  for (combination)  Mac / Queens / LTYC and of course local PHRF ? 

No, I'm not looking for sponsors or to become a billboard, but if I'm buying sails I like the idea of putting a company logo on 'em so I can use pre-tax dollars for the sail cost.

I've noticed 000's insurance agency logos--- wondering what the limitations are, I know there are various 'categories' that exist.

I've never had a problem with any advertising. I think race organizers want to make sure that you dont have a porn site or a derogitory logo on your sails so they put the restriction in the SI's otherwise they will gladly accept your $$$.  Look at the 52 series and go from there.

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3 minutes ago, TripleZeros said:

I've never had a problem with any advertising. I think race organizers want to make sure that you dont have a porn site or a derogitory logo on your sails so they put the restriction in the SI's otherwise they will gladly accept your $$$.  Look at the 52 series and go from there.

I dont think its that simple.   Events are either category A, B, or C (various limitations in each, on branding) and I know for sure the Mac committee has put something in the NOR about no sponsor logo's allowed that compete with any of the CYC sponsors. 

Guess I'll have to dig thru the NOR's for each event and figure it out for myself..  the TP52 class however is a much different set of rules than LM-PHRF or the CYC regs.

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3 hours ago, 1sailor said:

I dont think its that simple.   Events are either category A, B, or C (various limitations in each, on branding) and I know for sure the Mac committee has put something in the NOR about no sponsor logo's allowed that compete with any of the CYC sponsors. 

Guess I'll have to dig thru the NOR's for each event and figure it out for myself..  the TP52 class however is a much different set of rules than LM-PHRF or the CYC regs.

Mac says see World sailing regulation 20,   20.2.4 specifically is what I was talking about. 

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14 hours ago, TripleZeros said:

What team are you speculating? Mystic? Sounds like they are staying on the 40.

I think so, but I am hearing stuff second hand. Unless there is a new development, it will be the 40. 

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For my last season/year with "Nice Pair" I stickered up the boat and main sail with all sorts of sponsorship decals and graphics.  We also put some on "Lucky Strike."  Nothing was said or infraction occurred.  All was fine.  If you look at the aft beam of "Arete' , you will see a line of sponsorship decals.  That being said, we are multihulls and maybe the common thought is that we don't really fall under some of the same auspices.

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Registration is open for LTYC / Harbor Springs regatta.     I feel a bit confused about the split PHRF and ORR section for  big boats.    How do you decide which to register for ?  I guess I can sit and wait to see who signs up for what, but I wish they'd just put us all in the same club.   

Advice on which to register for ?  I dont know which rule "likes" my boat better.

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10 hours ago, 1sailor said:

Registration is open for LTYC / Harbor Springs regatta.     I feel a bit confused about the split PHRF and ORR section for  big boats.    How do you decide which to register for ?  I guess I can sit and wait to see who signs up for what, but I wish they'd just put us all in the same club.   

Advice on which to register for ?  I dont know which rule "likes" my boat better.

PHRF will "like" your boat better. This is assuming you end up with the same rating that Meridian X has on the Chesapeake.

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Muskegon YC has its schedule and registration up for the 2018 Season. The full season Schedule is HERE   Event Registration is HERE  or directly via Yachtscoriing.

Governor's Cup has been moved to June 16-17 as a pre-regatta to the Tripp Memorial Cup starting from Muskegon to Milwaukee on June 20 and the Trans Michigan Race from Milwaukee back to Muskegon on June 22.  Boats registering for the three events will receive free mooring at Muskegon YC for the nights in Muskegon.

Trans Michigan Race will start at 10am CDT (11am EDT) for an evening finish in Muskegon with big Friday night festivities planned at MYC.  The Milwaukee base will be the beautiful north side McKinley Municipal Marina.  See the NOR for details  HERE. 

Start of Tripp and the Trans Finish are moving to the NORTH side of the Muskegon Pier to avoid some of the onshore light interference (though we hope to be in before dark anyway!)

First race (Challenge race)  May 2,  First race counted for the season May 9.  The Season is only 90 days away!!

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