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Someone check my dates, I am sure I have something wrong in there.

 

So is Verve the same as the Air Show weekend this year, like years past? Did I get that right?

 

That looks correct.

 

Verve NOR

http://www.yachtscoring.com/event_documents/495/2011_verve_nor.pdf

 

Chicago Tourism Site

http://www.explorechicago.org/city/en/things_see_do/event_landing/special_events/mose/chicago_air___water.html

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Someone check my dates, I am sure I have something wrong in there.

 

So is Verve the same as the Air Show weekend this year, like years past? Did I get that right?

 

Forgot that Colors regatta is also that first weekend in June, the 4th and 5th.

 

Speaking of which, anybody got a need for 235# jackass for Colors and NOODs?

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Hi guys,

 

I apologize if this message ends up in the wrong spot on here - I'm new to Sailing Anarchy and the "Chicago" topic seemed logical.

 

My name is Grant, I'm 23, and I moved to Chicago from Southern California for a consulting job in January. I'm looking to get on a boat for this coming racing season and beyond. I have been sailing big boats and dinghies regularly since 2006 when I joined my college sailing team. I sailed on the Chapman University dinghy and offshore teams for four years and became a regular on an Andrews 50 for beercans, coastal, and a bit of distance racing. My jib/main trimming is pretty solid, and I am comfortable with most boat positions (including sym/aso kite trim in light-medium breeze) except foredeck and driving, where I have limited experience. I am DEFINITELY looking to learn and build my sailing skills, despite the absence of salt in the water here (WTF?!)biggrin.gif

 

If you've got a potential spot or know of one, please PM, call, or email me and I'll send over my sailing resume.

 

Thanks in advance, and I hope to see you all on the water soon!

 

Cheers,

 

Grant

480-540-8844

grantlaten@chapmansailing.com

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Equation - STP 65 entered for the Mac. Heard about it, but it's nice to actually see her on the entry list.

 

Any word on when she'll hit the GLs? I heard she might do some races on the east coast for the beginning of 2010, then head this way for the Mac(s). I would assume we'll see her up in Harbor Springs too?

 

Blub

 

 

2010 - are you drinkin' again?

 

Good luck this weekend out in San Diego with the Condor crew.

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So the NOR for the 2011 Verve Cup Offshore Regatta is now published.

 

Two things of interest :

 

1.) No PHRF sections - OD and ORR only.

2.) If a OD section wants to, they can compete in the LD race on Saturday, instead of the buoy races, and make that part of their class' overall regatta scoring (but can't be eligible for the Overall Verve Cup trophy). I'm pretty sure the F40 class is gonna be all over that one! <_<

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So the NOR for the 2011 Verve Cup Offshore Regatta is now published.

 

Two things of interest :

 

1.) No PHRF sections - OD and ORR only.

2.) If a OD section wants to, they can compete in the LD race on Saturday, instead of the buoy races, and make that part of their class' overall regatta scoring (but can't be eligible for the Overall Verve Cup trophy). I'm pretty sure the F40 class is gonna be all over that one! <_<

 

VERY Interesting.

So anybody without an ORR certificate (Wed night beer can racers thinking of stepping up to the next level, or someone who races the Hook instead of the Mac) isn't welcome unless their boat fits in an OD class?

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So the NOR for the 2011 Verve Cup Offshore Regatta is now published.

 

Two things of interest :

 

1.) No PHRF sections - OD and ORR only.

2.) If a OD section wants to, they can compete in the LD race on Saturday, instead of the buoy races, and make that part of their class' overall regatta scoring (but can't be eligible for the Overall Verve Cup trophy). I'm pretty sure the F40 class is gonna be all over that one! <_<

 

VERY Interesting.

So anybody without an ORR certificate (Wed night beer can racers thinking of stepping up to the next level, or someone who races the Hook instead of the Mac) isn't welcome unless their boat fits in an OD class?

 

 

No - it states if you would like to race in this regatta you need to be in one design class or have an ORR Cert - it doesn't say your not welcome to race!

 

It also states a lot of other Notices - NOR 3.

 

 

2011 Verve Cup NOR's

 

 

Every Regatta does not have to include every boat that races or sails in that area.

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So the NOR for the 2011 Verve Cup Offshore Regatta is now published.

 

Two things of interest :

 

1.) No PHRF sections - OD and ORR only.

2.) If a OD section wants to, they can compete in the LD race on Saturday, instead of the buoy races, and make that part of their class' overall regatta scoring (but can't be eligible for the Overall Verve Cup trophy). I'm pretty sure the F40 class is gonna be all over that one! dry.gif

 

 

Interesting - CYC stepping up their ORR crusade - saving sailing - not so much

 

 

 

Gotta' stroke the ego's

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So the NOR for the 2011 Verve Cup Offshore Regatta is now published.

 

Two things of interest :

 

1.) No PHRF sections - OD and ORR only.

2.) If a OD section wants to, they can compete in the LD race on Saturday, instead of the buoy races, and make that part of their class' overall regatta scoring (but can't be eligible for the Overall Verve Cup trophy). I'm pretty sure the F40 class is gonna be all over that one! dry.gif

 

 

Interesting - CYC stepping up their ORR crusade - saving sailing - not so much

 

 

 

Gotta' stroke the ego's

 

How's the racing in your neck of the woods? Any going yet?

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So the NOR for the 2011 Verve Cup Offshore Regatta is now published.

 

Two things of interest :

 

1.) No PHRF sections - OD and ORR only.

2.) If a OD section wants to, they can compete in the LD race on Saturday, instead of the buoy races, and make that part of their class' overall regatta scoring (but can't be eligible for the Overall Verve Cup trophy). I'm pretty sure the F40 class is gonna be all over that one! <_<

 

VERY Interesting.

So anybody without an ORR certificate (Wed night beer can racers thinking of stepping up to the next level, or someone who races the Hook instead of the Mac) isn't welcome unless their boat fits in an OD class?

I wouldn't make a tempest in a teapot out of this.

 

I think practically speaking this isn't that big an issue. The typical beer-can boat that wants to try the Verve LD race, is very likely a 30-35 foot production racer/cruiser - cruiser/racer, for which there already exists an ORR certificate (from a sistership). Since the NOR does not state that "measured" certificates are required, one can get a Partial Measurement certificate that costs 150-200 bucks for a 30-35 foot boat. While that's a bit more than a PHRF certificate, it's less than the cost for food/beer/soda for a weekend of A3 racing.

 

Back in the glory days of IOR racing, where we had scores more boats competing, an owner had to pay hundreds of dollars for an IOR certificate which required both out of the water and in the water measurements. That didn't seem to hurt participation any - even among the low-key stock boat camp. So I don't buy the argument that requiring a $200 ORR certificate will really dissuade many. BTW - there is also an optional/separate long distance race (Saturday) as part of the NOOD, so the cost of an ORR certificate can be amortized over additional events (Sheldon Clark, too), if it makes the economics more reasonable for a first-timer.

 

Personally, I am glad to finally see CYC being proactive in establishing a measurement-based handicapping system and eliminating LM-PHRF (and the associated problems therein, of which I am ore than averagely aware) for racing in Chicago. Hopefully this is the beginning of a gradual elimination of PHRF from non-beercan racing. While I would have preferred another system (IRC), I'll take ORR over LM-PHRF any day.

 

 

Oh and Cristian - while you're boat doesn't qualify for this weekend's Nap NOOD, I'm sure someone as intensely committed to participation as you are already has a ride for one of the biggest events of the year in your bailiwick... or are you content to to be sitting on the sidelines casting stones into someone else's pond?

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Hi guys,

 

I apologize if this message ends up in the wrong spot on here - I'm new to Sailing Anarchy and the "Chicago" topic seemed logical.

 

My name is Grant, I'm 23, and I moved to Chicago from Southern California for a consulting job in January. I'm looking to get on a boat for this coming racing season and beyond. I have been sailing big boats and dinghies regularly since 2006 when I joined my college sailing team. I sailed on the Chapman University dinghy and offshore teams for four years and became a regular on an Andrews 50 for beercans, coastal, and a bit of distance racing. My jib/main trimming is pretty solid, and I am comfortable with most boat positions (including sym/aso kite trim in light-medium breeze) except foredeck and driving, where I have limited experience. I am DEFINITELY looking to learn and build my sailing skills, despite the absence of salt in the water here (WTF?!)biggrin.gif

 

If you've got a potential spot or know of one, please PM, call, or email me and I'll send over my sailing resume.

 

Thanks in advance, and I hope to see you all on the water soon!

 

Cheers,

 

Grant

480-540-8844

grantlaten@chapmansailing.com

 

Ferfucksake!!!! Do I have to do EVERYTHING around here???

 

FUCK OFF NOOB!!!

 

Now post some pics of your girlfriend's/sister's/granny's tits and welcome to the site.

 

Cheers,

 

Chaos

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Personally, I am glad to finally see CYC being proactive in establishing a measurement-based handicapping system and eliminating LM-PHRF (and the associated problems therein, of which I am ore than averagely aware) for racing in Chicago. Hopefully this is the beginning of a gradual elimination of PHRF from non-beercan racing. While I would have preferred another system (IRC), I'll take ORR over LM-PHRF any day.

 

 

I agree with both statements. I too would have preferred IRC but ORR will be an improvement especially if the full power of ORR is used and not just a single number.

 

Robin

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So the NOR for the 2011 Verve Cup Offshore Regatta is now published.

 

Two things of interest :

 

1.) No PHRF sections - OD and ORR only.

2.) If a OD section wants to, they can compete in the LD race on Saturday, instead of the buoy races, and make that part of their class' overall regatta scoring (but can't be eligible for the Overall Verve Cup trophy). I'm pretty sure the F40 class is gonna be all over that one! dry.gif

 

VERY Interesting.

So anybody without an ORR certificate (Wed night beer can racers thinking of stepping up to the next level, or someone who races the Hook instead of the Mac) isn't welcome unless their boat fits in an OD class?

I wouldn't make a tempest in a teapot out of this.

 

I think practically speaking this isn't that big an issue. The typical beer-can boat that wants to try the Verve LD race, is very likely a 30-35 foot production racer/cruiser - cruiser/racer, for which there already exists an ORR certificate (from a sistership). Since the NOR does not state that "measured" certificates are required, one can get a Partial Measurement certificate that costs 150-200 bucks for a 30-35 foot boat. While that's a bit more than a PHRF certificate, it's less than the cost for food/beer/soda for a weekend of A3 racing.

 

Back in the glory days of IOR racing, where we had scores more boats competing, an owner had to pay hundreds of dollars for an IOR certificate which required both out of the water and in the water measurements. That didn't seem to hurt participation any - even among the low-key stock boat camp. So I don't buy the argument that requiring a $200 ORR certificate will really dissuade many. BTW - there is also an optional/separate long distance race (Saturday) as part of the NOOD, so the cost of an ORR certificate can be amortized over additional events (Sheldon Clark, too), if it makes the economics more reasonable for a first-timer.

 

Personally, I am glad to finally see CYC being proactive in establishing a measurement-based handicapping system and eliminating LM-PHRF (and the associated problems therein, of which I am ore than averagely aware) for racing in Chicago. Hopefully this is the beginning of a gradual elimination of PHRF from non-beercan racing. While I would have preferred another system (IRC), I'll take ORR over LM-PHRF any day.

 

 

Oh and Cristian - while you're boat doesn't qualify for this weekend's Nap NOOD, I'm sure someone as intensely committed to participation as you are already has a ride for one of the biggest events of the year in your bailiwick... or are you content to to be sitting on the sidelines casting stones into someone else's pond?

 

Don't worry - I am getting all the sailing in that I have time for.

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threw up pics from yesterdays windy frostbite on my FB. tag those that were out there so they can see he pic's. send me a note if you want the higher resolution originals.

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Cool. Glad it wad a good time. Looked to be a very well run race. The boat is awesome & well built. It is a pretty shitty place, San Diego.

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Ah, I'm home.... Check'n in. Sorry, I didn't actually put hands to a keyboard until Sunday evening and that was just to check porn.

 

the Condor is a blast. Lots of work on those biggums. Great crew, they welcomed me with open arms. And they all volunteered to drive me to the airport for my flight home. I had to remind them on several occasions that I was flying out on Monday, not Saturday evening, or Sunday morning. Weird... But all and all, it was a lot of fun to sail for 'Unc' again. The place really agrees with him.

 

For the record and (I was forced to say this) San Diego is a horrible place. No breeze, ugly women, Mexican banditos out on the water hijacking yachts at random. The drinks are over priced, watered down, and have little gay umbrellas in them. Did I mention the beatings? That's right, everyone get their ass kicked as the enter the city limits. Fog, radiated sea containers floating ashore. Nasty sea lions breaching up to nip at you when you're hiking out on the rail. Kind of ghetto really.... ( fair enough Da-Woody?)

Is Condor going to do Cal Cup?

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Mr. Nelson himself was racing with you guys, right Tim?

 

You're right...San Diego is the pits. Founded by the Germans they called it "San Diego" which when translated means "A whale's vagina."

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What the hell! Page 2 again.

 

Isn't sailing season starting and still no shit talk on this thread?

Bored at work and I need something entertaining to kill time (porn is blocked).

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What the hell! Page 2 again.

 

Isn't sailing season starting and still no shit talk on this thread?

Bored at work and I need something entertaining to kill time (porn is blocked).

 

Where are all the Goblin disciples riding this summer?

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What the hell! Page 2 again.

 

Isn't sailing season starting and still no shit talk on this thread?

Bored at work and I need something entertaining to kill time (porn is blocked).

 

Where are all the Goblin disciples riding this summer?

I'll add...

 

I thought I heard Raven was sold, but I see it entered for A3 races?

Who chartered Norboy (F40) for COLORS?

COLORS, NOOD, and VERVE all have Distance Races on Sat - will there be (m)any takers?

Where are the Nitemare folk going to be this summer?

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What the hell! Page 2 again.

 

Isn't sailing season starting and still no shit talk on this thread?

Bored at work and I need something entertaining to kill time (porn is blocked).

 

Where are all the Goblin disciples riding this summer?

I'll add...

 

I thought I heard Raven was sold, but I see it entered for A3 races?

Who chartered Norboy (F40) for COLORS?

COLORS, NOOD, and VERVE all have Distance Races on Sat - will there be (m)any takers?

Where are the Nitemare folk going to be this summer?

 

I'll be signed up on the big black bird for a few races, so I hope it's not sold!

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What the hell! Page 2 again.

 

Isn't sailing season starting and still no shit talk on this thread?

Bored at work and I need something entertaining to kill time (porn is blocked).

 

Where are all the Goblin disciples riding this summer?

 

I'm riding a lawn mower.

I think I have 15+ years of weekly mowing as payback if I don't sail.

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I thought I heard Raven was sold, but I see it entered for A3 races?

On a can in Monroe at this very minute!

 

Who chartered Norboy (F40) for COLORS?

NOOD and Verve too! Guys from St. Louis

 

COLORS, NOOD, and VERVE all have Distance Races on Sat - will there be (m)any takers?

<dismissed due to rhetorical nature of question>

 

Where are the Nitemare folk going to be this summer?

Some will end up on Defiance supposedly

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I need to find me a woman like this!

Goes out at night, searches for an overdue sailor, then haul my sorry ass out of the lake!

 

www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chibrknews-woman-rescues-husband-friends-from-capsized-boat-20110511,0,6586805.story

chicagotribune.com

Woman rescues husband, boating pals in lake

 

By William Lee, Tribune reporter

10:30 PM CDT, May 11, 2011

 

Three men tossed into Lake Michigan Wednesday night by thunderstorm-driven waves were rescued by a team led by the wife of one of them who got worried and went searching for them, officials said.

 

Authorities said the 48-year-old woman called her husband aboard the sailboat earlier in the day to tell the men that severe weather was moving into the area.

 

Sensing something was wrong when her subsequent calls went unanswered, the woman went to Montrose Harbor and used a power craft to mount her own search for the men, according to fire department spokesman Larry Langford.

 

The woman eventually found the capsized boat and the three men bobbing in the cold, murky lake water about a half-mile out, said Police News Affairs Officer Laura Kubiak. The woman, with the aid of two other harbor boaters whose aid she enlisted--managed to get all three men aboard her power craft. The woman finally called 911 just after 9 p.m. after the rescue.

 

When fire officials responded, all three men were resting on the harbor, Langford said.

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Good for her on the rescue, but really dumb not to get the CG involved right away. First rule make the call then look

Hope there is more to the story

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Good for her on the rescue, but really dumb not to get the CG involved right away. First rule make the call then look

Hope there is more to the story

 

Boat? Names?

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Good for her on the rescue, but really dumb not to get the CG involved right away. First rule make the call then look

Hope there is more to the story

 

Boat? Names?

 

The Sun Times says it was a Rhodes 19. But they gave no names.

 

It had to be something newsworthy if Mary Dixon was talking about it on 'XRT. That's why I looked. I was hoping y'all would have details.

 

I am glad no one was hurt. Most of the Rhodes guys are really nice. But, when you are going that slow, you have time to be nice. I guess.

 

T

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How long were they in the water?

 

Never mind. Just got an e-mail with details.

 

In the water about 45 minutes after a squall line in front of the storm swamped their boat. Coordinated effort at the club with other sailors to go look for and retreive them. Once back to shore, they were obviously hypothermic but luckily, one of the members was a doc and took care of them until the ambulance arrived.

 

All OK.

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Good for her on the rescue, but really dumb not to get the CG involved right away. First rule make the call then look

Hope there is more to the story

 

Boat? Names?

Trib's got the story now... here.

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Good for her on the rescue, but really dumb not to get the CG involved right away. First rule make the call then look

Hope there is more to the story

 

Boat? Names?

Trib's got the story now... here.

George Quinlan, owner of the 36.7 "Wishes" also assisted.

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gee thanks Blubs for inviting "him" to our little world of dysfunction... next thing you know he will be posting Cougar shots! <_<

 

Happy to hear all involved are safe and sound, kudos to the wife and all those involved with the rescue.

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Glad to hear everyone is alright. I live about a block from the Harbor and honestly thought a highrise was on fire with the number of firetrucks/ambulances and helicopters I heard.

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Good for her on the rescue, but really dumb not to get the CG involved right away. First rule make the call then look

Hope there is more to the story

 

Boat? Names?

Trib's got the story now... here.

George Quinlan, owner of the 36.7 "Wishes" also assisted.

 

I did, treated one of the survivors while the other first responder took care of the other victim. Becoming a member of ski patrol over the winter really paid off, I had all of the EMT training as well as lots of experience and knew immediately what to do, we see lots of hypothermia in skiing.

 

Some lessons to be learned here, namely:

- No PFD means you're not going to survive long, especially now when it's cold out.

- A simple "float plan" with a friend saved their lives, someone knew to come look for them.

- Does your club have a first aid kit? A functional AED unit? Hypothermia vicitims often die from heart attack, an AED could save a life if one is available and people know how to use it.

- Do you know first aid? Basic CPR? Knowing how to use all of the gear and having practiced with it a little is just as critical as having the gear on hand.

- Many others about VHF, checking weather, etc, the obvious ones.

 

One of the conversations I've had since, is thinking about how we can get appropriate first aid kits, as well as AEDs out on the A3 Race Committee boats. Sometimes we are quite a ways out there, and quick access to an AED could save a life. I would probably have one on the 36.7 actually if they weren't big and bulky and cost like $1500, next best thing would be to have one on the RC boat at the least. Just as important though is having trained people out there, learn CPR, save a life!

 

And if you have ever taking Safety at Sea, the 50/50/50 rule is 50 minutes in 50 degree water = a 50% chance of survival. These guys were in the water that long last night, and it was closer to 40 degrees, they are very very lucky.

 

Keep in mind, these guys were all 3 pretty experienced sailors, they got caught when they were almost back into the harbor, the storm beat them in, and a Rhodes doesn't have an engine.

 

- George

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SATURDAY

NORTH WINDS TO 30 KT. CHANCE OF SHOWERS. WAVES

BUILDING TO 5 TO 9 FT.

 

SATURDAY NIGHT

NORTH GALES TO 35 KT BECOMING NORTHEAST. CHANCE

OF SHOWERS. WAVES BUILDING TO 6 TO 10 FT.

 

SUNDAY

NORTHEAST GALES TO 35 KT BECOMING NORTH. SHOWERS

LIKELY. WAVES BUILDING TO 6 TO 10 FT.

 

A. Maybe Peter and the boys should take the Rhodes out this weekend to try and complete their little outing

B. Anyone with deliveries this weekend, rethink them, please.

 

Just kidding about Peter, I hope he's recovering well and I can't help but think that he is the luckiest SOB in Chicago for having such a mindful caring wife and that they were all found in time. We all know that there was a very high probability that could have all ended very badly. He should go buy a bunch of lottery tickets.

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I did, treated one of the survivors while the other first responder took care of the other victim. Becoming a member of ski patrol over the winter really paid off, I had all of the EMT training as well as lots of experience and knew immediately what to do, we see lots of hypothermia in skiing.

 

Some lessons to be learned here, namely:

- No PFD means you're not going to survive long, especially now when it's cold out.

- A simple "float plan" with a friend saved their lives, someone knew to come look for them.

- Does your club have a first aid kit? A functional AED unit? Hypothermia vicitims often die from heart attack, an AED could save a life if one is available and people know how to use it.

- Do you know first aid? Basic CPR? Knowing how to use all of the gear and having practiced with it a little is just as critical as having the gear on hand.

- Many others about VHF, checking weather, etc, the obvious ones.

 

One of the conversations I've had since, is thinking about how we can get appropriate first aid kits, as well as AEDs out on the A3 Race Committee boats. Sometimes we are quite a ways out there, and quick access to an AED could save a life. I would probably have one on the 36.7 actually if they weren't big and bulky and cost like $1500, next best thing would be to have one on the RC boat at the least. Just as important though is having trained people out there, learn CPR, save a life!

 

And if you have ever taking Safety at Sea, the 50/50/50 rule is 50 minutes in 50 degree water = a 50% chance of survival. These guys were in the water that long last night, and it was closer to 40 degrees, they are very very lucky.

 

Keep in mind, these guys were all 3 pretty experienced sailors, they got caught when they were almost back into the harbor, the storm beat them in, and a Rhodes doesn't have an engine.

 

- George

 

CYC RC does provide a CPR class, however, I'm pretty sure this doesn't include the use of the AED.

 

Good job George, you have once again confirmed my faith in that you are of sound mind, and are one level headed guy. And I'm still honored to share the race course with you.

 

Feel free to just use some old rusty jumper cables and a couple of wet spunges on me if you actually feel then need to resuscitate my lifeless corpse out on the lake, in the parking lot, under a 400 lb hooker named Montserrat Caballé-May

 

Well at CCYC we get cute sailor girls to warm up our hypothermia victims...but for you I will certainly scour lower Wacker drive for willing denizens to lend you their warmth, and call Chicago city towing for a set of rusty jumper cables.

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Maybe you and Blubbs can use the timeoff from sailing this weekend to practice a little rescuscitation on one another! /GRIN

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I did, treated one of the survivors while the other first responder took care of the other victim. Becoming a member of ski patrol over the winter really paid off, I had all of the EMT training as well as lots of experience and knew immediately what to do, we see lots of hypothermia in skiing.

 

Some lessons to be learned here, namely:

- No PFD means you're not going to survive long, especially now when it's cold out.

- A simple "float plan" with a friend saved their lives, someone knew to come look for them.

- Does your club have a first aid kit? A functional AED unit? Hypothermia vicitims often die from heart attack, an AED could save a life if one is available and people know how to use it.

- Do you know first aid? Basic CPR? Knowing how to use all of the gear and having practiced with it a little is just as critical as having the gear on hand.

- Many others about VHF, checking weather, etc, the obvious ones.

 

One of the conversations I've had since, is thinking about how we can get appropriate first aid kits, as well as AEDs out on the A3 Race Committee boats. Sometimes we are quite a ways out there, and quick access to an AED could save a life. I would probably have one on the 36.7 actually if they weren't big and bulky and cost like $1500, next best thing would be to have one on the RC boat at the least. Just as important though is having trained people out there, learn CPR, save a life!

 

And if you have ever taking Safety at Sea, the 50/50/50 rule is 50 minutes in 50 degree water = a 50% chance of survival. These guys were in the water that long last night, and it was closer to 40 degrees, they are very very lucky.

 

Keep in mind, these guys were all 3 pretty experienced sailors, they got caught when they were almost back into the harbor, the storm beat them in, and a Rhodes doesn't have an engine.

 

- George

 

CYC RC does provide a CPR class, however, I'm pretty sure this doesn't include the use of the AED.

 

Good job George, you have once again confirmed my faith in that you are of sound mind, and are one level headed guy. And I'm still honored to share the race course with you.

 

Feel free to just use some old rusty jumper cables and a couple of wet spunges on me if you actually feel then need to resuscitate my lifeless corpse out on the lake, in the parking lot, under a 400 lb hooker named Montserrat Caballé-May

 

 

Blub - We just finished the CYC RC CPR/AED certification and 1st aid classes.

 

There are a lot of CYC RC that are certified as well as Lynn the CYC "on the water director" is an instructor.

 

We do carry an EAD's on the SV "Carrier" for all CYC races.

 

George - there are a few portable EAD's that are small and light weight - but your right on the cost.

 

Please call 911 first for a professional response and then do what ever you can safely.

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Blub - We just finished the CYC RC CPR/AED certification and 1st aid classes.

 

There are a lot of CYC RC that are certified as well as Lynn the CYC "on the water director" is an instructor.

 

We do carry an EAD's on the SV "Carrier" for all CYC races.

 

George - there are a few portable EAD's that are small and light weight - but your right on the cost.

 

Please call 911 first for a professional response and then do what ever you can safely.

 

One of the things we've been talking about, is that during larger races, like the NOODs and the Verve, there are multiple circles, and the only RC boat with one is Carrier. Since I'm often stuck way down on B-circle by Indiana, and most often the RC boat is a "loaner" there typically wouldn't be one available. And as we saw in the Verve 2 seasons ago on B-Circle, bad things can and do happen out on the race course, and it can take time for the USCG to arrive, even by helicopter.

 

 

I'm well aware that there are smaller portable lightweight units, too much weight for a race boat though! (just kidding about this part, it's really the cost of them) I carry a full type emergency kit on my boat, I am a ski patroller in the winter time and treat lots of accidents at a place in Wisconsin called Wilmot, it's a small hill, but very busy, and a lot happens there, so I carry all of my patrol gear with us on the boat in the summer time, probably more than most people have with them, but I took an old "free" NOOD backpack and filled it with all of the stuff I carry in my patrol vest in the winter time into one backpack, it all fits nicely and works very well for this purpose.

 

My point though, was that gear is all well and good, but without some basic training on how to use it, which includes actual PRACTICE with this stuff, it's not going to help a lot. In the offshore regs they state we're supposed to carry a first aid manual with instructions, we all have these (I do too), but in all reality, when someone is seriously hurt, it's not the time to be thumbing through some book... practice is key.

 

"oh Blubs, it says here on page 72 to make sure the person isn't breathing before you do mouth to mouth...woops...".. if you catch my drift. Even CPR if you've never done it is a lot different than what they show on TV, you really have to whale on someone pretty hard to do it properly, and to get the required # of compressions is a LOT of effort, and you're almost 100% going to break their ribs while you're doing it.

 

It would be good if we figure out as a community how we get more people trained and certified. It is GREAT that CYC is training the RC folks, kudos! I'm thinking more along the lines of how do we offer up some classes or training to the rest of the sailing community, so that more people have the skills needed? I know a ton of EMT, CPR, and OEC certified instructor trainers, who can be called upon to do some classes, the ones who teach the ski patrollers their skills, and in ski patrol we do a TON of training annually, and lots and lots of practice. NSP offers a much shorter Outdoor Emergency First Responder type of first aid course as well that might be a good one to take if it were offered locally.

 

Oh and for those commenting and quarterbacking the incident, the CG was called immediately, by the time they responded the victims were already out of the water and being treated, and had they waited, it could have been a tragedy or a recovery instead of a rescue story, but they were called and did respond.

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I'm pretty sure this doesn't include the use of the AED.

 

 

Blub - We just finished the CYC RC CPR/AED certification and 1st aid classes.

 

 

I'm glad I left myself a little wiggle room with 'pretty sure', and not,' absolutely sure.'

 

My 'do not resuscitate, just blow me' T-shirt still holds true...

 

Blub - you kill me!

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I did, treated one of the survivors while the other first responder took care of the other victim. Becoming a member of ski patrol over the winter really paid off, I had all of the EMT training as well as lots of experience and knew immediately what to do, we see lots of hypothermia in skiing.

 

Some lessons to be learned here, namely:

- No PFD means you're not going to survive long, especially now when it's cold out.

- A simple "float plan" with a friend saved their lives, someone knew to come look for them.

- Does your club have a first aid kit? A functional AED unit? Hypothermia vicitims often die from heart attack, an AED could save a life if one is available and people know how to use it.

- Do you know first aid? Basic CPR? Knowing how to use all of the gear and having practiced with it a little is just as critical as having the gear on hand.

- Many others about VHF, checking weather, etc, the obvious ones.

 

One of the conversations I've had since, is thinking about how we can get appropriate first aid kits, as well as AEDs out on the A3 Race Committee boats. Sometimes we are quite a ways out there, and quick access to an AED could save a life. I would probably have one on the 36.7 actually if they weren't big and bulky and cost like $1500, next best thing would be to have one on the RC boat at the least. Just as important though is having trained people out there, learn CPR, save a life!

 

And if you have ever taking Safety at Sea, the 50/50/50 rule is 50 minutes in 50 degree water = a 50% chance of survival. These guys were in the water that long last night, and it was closer to 40 degrees, they are very very lucky.

 

Keep in mind, these guys were all 3 pretty experienced sailors, they got caught when they were almost back into the harbor, the storm beat them in, and a Rhodes doesn't have an engine.

 

- George

 

CYC RC does provide a CPR class, however, I'm pretty sure this doesn't include the use of the AED.

 

Good job George, you have once again confirmed my faith in that you are of sound mind, and are one level headed guy. And I'm still honored to share the race course with you.

 

Feel free to just use some old rusty jumper cables and a couple of wet spunges on me if you actually feel then need to resuscitate my lifeless corpse out on the lake, in the parking lot, under a 400 lb hooker named Montserrat Caballé-May

 

Well at CCYC we get cute sailor girls to warm up our hypothermia victims...but for you I will certainly scour lower Wacker drive for willing denizens to lend you their warmth, and call Chicago city towing for a set of rusty jumper cables.

 

 

Maybe you could put on two pairs of glove and use the recently discarded 'spunges' from the excessive couplings of blubs and his favourite 400lb slapper..

or not!

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This is a great story, and I am happy all are well.

 

However, am I the only one wondering why, with 3 experienced sailors onboard, and they knew nasty weather was coming, they didn't drop the main and jib when the winds picked up?

 

Maybe they were so close to shore and they thought they could get back in, but still, as a seasoned sailor, this point bothers me.

 

ID

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And a 70 knot burst of wind. Which would likely indicate a fast microburst, going from sustained 20-30s to 70 in an instant. They were almost back in to the harbor, maybe 3/4 miles from the harbor entrance.

 

We were sitting inside my cabin in the slip watching the wind instruments during the storm, it was ugly out, hailing all over the cabin top.

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I saw a photo of Peter Pan being towed in by the 'salvage' crew. Spinnaker was still hoisted. Knowing Peter, they were enjoying a raucous fast attempt to get back to the harbor when they got knocked down.

 

 

This is a great story, and I am happy all are well.

 

However, am I the only one wondering why, with 3 experienced sailors onboard, and they knew nasty weather was coming, they didn't drop the main and jib when the winds picked up?

 

Maybe they were so close to shore and they thought they could get back in, but still, as a seasoned sailor, this point bothers me.

 

ID

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Area-III has a new across the lake weekend matching with the St. Joseph River Yacht Club's Rhumbline Regatta on Satuday June 4. There is a night navigation race to from SA7 to St. Joe on Friday evening June 3 sponsored by MORF, SJRYC's Rhumbline Regatta midday on Saturday June 4 and a return race from St. Joe to Chicago on Sunday June 5, sponsored by the Burnham Park Yacht Club. These are all Area-III races available for signup on the Area-III webpage. SJRYC is having a "Tri-State magnitude" Rhumbline party Saturday night. Details are at: http//www.sjryc.com/rhumbline_regatta/index/home.html. Yeah - the water will be cold.

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Yeah it sounds like Peter but, the spinnaker was down and tucked under the cuddy. It floated out in one of the roll overs and got caught around the spreaders when they righted the boat. It was down long before the knockdown. They were reaching with jib and main when the puff hit.

 

I saw a photo of Peter Pan being towed in by the 'salvage' crew. Spinnaker was still hoisted. Knowing Peter, they were enjoying a raucous fast attempt to get back to the harbor when they got knocked down.

 

 

This is a great story, and I am happy all are well.

 

However, am I the only one wondering why, with 3 experienced sailors onboard, and they knew nasty weather was coming, they didn't drop the main and jib when the winds picked up?

 

Maybe they were so close to shore and they thought they could get back in, but still, as a seasoned sailor, this point bothers me.

 

ID

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No motor. It's a Rhodes

 

I'm well aware of that, and have once or twice sailed in the bathtubs. It is still better and safer to drop the sails and ride out the blast, and then re-hoist later.

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I spoke with Peter today, and he confirmed that the Spinnaker had been taken down and stuffed in the cuddy prior to the knock down when there was a big wind shift.

 

Yeah it sounds like Peter but, the spinnaker was down and tucked under the cuddy. It floated out in one of the roll overs and got caught around the spreaders when they righted the boat. It was down long before the knockdown. They were reaching with jib and main when the puff hit.

 

I saw a photo of Peter Pan being towed in by the 'salvage' crew. Spinnaker was still hoisted. Knowing Peter, they were enjoying a raucous fast attempt to get back to the harbor when they got knocked down.

 

 

This is a great story, and I am happy all are well.

 

However, am I the only one wondering why, with 3 experienced sailors onboard, and they knew nasty weather was coming, they didn't drop the main and jib when the winds picked up?

 

Maybe they were so close to shore and they thought they could get back in, but still, as a seasoned sailor, this point bothers me.

 

ID

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<sarcasm>

Glad to see that A3 is getting off to a great start for 2011

</sarcasm>

 

"May 16, 2011 - Abe Jacobs is cancelledDue to several reasons, primarily my travelling out of the country on an essential company/academic mission, BPYC will not be running the Abe Jacobs race this weekend. The weather has been absurd and most racers are not in the water and few have had time to practice are additional reasons. We will provide complete refunds to anyone who has signed up for the race.

 

Don Waller - BPYC"

 

Area III Notice Board

 

 

 

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<sarcasm>

Glad to see that A3 is getting off to a great start for 2011

</sarcasm>

 

"May 16, 2011 - Abe Jacobs is cancelledDue to several reasons, primarily my travelling out of the country on an essential company/academic mission, BPYC will not be running the Abe Jacobs race this weekend. The weather has been absurd and most racers are not in the water and few have had time to practice are additional reasons. We will provide complete refunds to anyone who has signed up for the race.

 

Don Waller - BPYC"

 

Area III Notice Board

 

Mother f*cker!

 

And I just spent 2 hours last night figuring out the stupid registration system just to ensure we'd be registered in time.

 

Glad I made it a priority to get into our slip and have our rig up in time for racing, this season.

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Glad to see that A3 is getting off to a great start for 2011

</sarcasm>

 

"May 16, 2011 - Abe Jacobs is cancelledDue to several reasons, primarily my travelling out of the country on an essential company/academic mission, BPYC will not be running the Abe Jacobs race this weekend. The weather has been absurd and most racers are not in the water and few have had time to practice are additional reasons. We will provide complete refunds to anyone who has signed up for the race.

 

Don Waller - BPYC"

 

Area III Notice Board

 

Mother f*cker!

 

And I just spent 2 hours last night figuring out the stupid registration system just to ensure we'd be registered in time.

 

Glad I made it a priority to get into our slip and have our rig up in time for racing, this season.

 

 

CCYC has one of their little club races on May 21st, come on down and crash that.

 

BTW, my powerboat was just trasfered to DuSable G-Dock. There goes your neighborhood.

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CCYC has one of their little club races on May 21st, come on down and crash that.

 

BTW, my powerboat was just trasfered to DuSable G-Dock. There goes your neighborhood.

 

Thank you - I would love to do that, however we will be getting things put together and we hope to be out in the afternoon for a little practice...

 

As for that transfer, welcome to the neighborhood. I can only hope that it means more bitches in bikinis because I am getting tired of watching all the segways roll by...

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CCYC has one of their little club races on May 21st, come on down and crash that.

 

BTW, my powerboat was just trasfered to DuSable G-Dock. There goes your neighborhood.

 

Thank you - I would love to do that, however we will be getting things put together and we hope to be out in the afternoon for a little practice...

 

As for that transfer, welcome to the neighborhood. I can only hope that it means more bitches in bikinis because I am getting tired of watching all the segways roll by...

 

Those races start at the crack of 12:55. Not that they're well attended, but maybe a t-10 or two might be there, you can tune with them a little.

 

Hey, for the following weekend, the Spring Opener and Olympic Cup, both of those are up at CCYC, right? We might bring the Circus tent out to see how many boats we can get in the way of. I see we would be section 3 (one less perf class for PTP and Buoy racing). I'm moving up without having to buy a faster boat. Pretty soon there will be one perf section, look out Imedi, I'm coming for ya.

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CCYC has one of their little club races on May 21st, come on down and crash that.

 

BTW, my powerboat was just trasfered to DuSable G-Dock. There goes your neighborhood.

 

Thank you - I would love to do that, however we will be getting things put together and we hope to be out in the afternoon for a little practice...

 

As for that transfer, welcome to the neighborhood. I can only hope that it means more bitches in bikinis because I am getting tired of watching all the segways roll by...

 

We'll put Doehler in a speedo for ya.

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Glad to see that A3 is getting off to a great start for 2011

</sarcasm>

 

"May 16, 2011 - Abe Jacobs is cancelledDue to several reasons, primarily my travelling out of the country on an essential company/academic mission, BPYC will not be running the Abe Jacobs race this weekend. The weather has been absurd and most racers are not in the water and few have had time to practice are additional reasons. We will provide complete refunds to anyone who has signed up for the race.

 

Don Waller - BPYC"

 

Area III Notice Board

 

This is total BS. BPYC is canceling an event on a Monday, 6 days before the event. I've got crew, a boat in the water that's ready to race and event has been canceled because one guy at BPYC needs to go out of town????? The only reason I even know about the cancelation is the SA thread. Shouldn't an email have at least gone out the boats like me that already registered?

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BTW, the Charter One Pavillion at Northerly Island has a shit schedule for concerts.

This is it?

 

http://www.livenation.com/Charter-One-Pavilion-at-Northerly-Island-tickets-Chicago/venue/33036

 

Pathetic.

 

The is pretty weak... at least I won't have too much trouble finding parking at BPYC.

 

You can always park in the BPYC race committee spot; they probably won't be using it...

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CCYC has one of their little club races on May 21st, come on down and crash that.

 

BTW, my powerboat was just trasfered to DuSable G-Dock. There goes your neighborhood.

 

Thank you - I would love to do that, however we will be getting things put together and we hope to be out in the afternoon for a little practice...

 

As for that transfer, welcome to the neighborhood. I can only hope that it means more bitches in bikinis because I am getting tired of watching all the segways roll by...

 

Those races start at the crack of 12:55. Not that they're well attended, but maybe a t-10 or two might be there, you can tune with them a little.

 

Hey, for the following weekend, the Spring Opener and Olympic Cup, both of those are up at CCYC, right? We might bring the Circus tent out to see how many boats we can get in the way of. I see we would be section 3 (one less perf class for PTP and Buoy racing). I'm moving up without having to buy a faster boat. Pretty soon there will be one perf section, look out Imedi, I'm coming for ya.

 

CCYC Race Schedule:

Sat 5/28 - at CCYC - Olympic Circle course

Sat night - big party at CCYC all please come!!

Sunday 5/29 - SA3 windward-leewards

Monday - sleep it off, Memorial Day Holiday!

 

The racing on Sat is held on the CCYC Olympic Race circle, and please, everyone, come out to the big party at CCYC on Sat night!! All are invited!! Plenty of free and easy parking as well.

 

Sunday's racing is windward-leeward and is held at the traditional spot, SA3.

 

The 36.7s will be out on Sunday for W-L racing same as last year.

 

I can promise that we won't cancel on you guys, even if I have to wave the flags on the RC myself!

 

- GQ

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This is total BS. BPYC is canceling an event on a Monday, 6 days before the event. I've got crew, a boat in the water that's ready to race and event has been canceled because one guy at BPYC needs to go out of town????? The only reason I even know about the cancelation is the SA thread. Shouldn't an email have at least gone out the boats like me that already registered?

I got an e-mail from A3 late yesterday announcing the cancellation (along with some other stuff)

 

 

 

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Glad to see that A3 is getting off to a great start for 2011

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"May 16, 2011 - Abe Jacobs is cancelledDue to several reasons, primarily my travelling out of the country on an essential company/academic mission, BPYC will not be running the Abe Jacobs race this weekend. The weather has been absurd and most racers are not in the water and few have had time to practice are additional reasons. We will provide complete refunds to anyone who has signed up for the race.

 

Don Waller - BPYC"

 

Area III Notice Board

 

This is total BS. BPYC is canceling an event on a Monday, 6 days before the event. I've got crew, a boat in the water that's ready to race and event has been canceled because one guy at BPYC needs to go out of town????? The only reason I even know about the cancelation is the SA thread. Shouldn't an email have at least gone out the boats like me that already registered?

It is completely un-fucking believably stupid and lame-ass. In my over 35 years of racing in A3, I've never seen such a stupid move by any YC/OA. You want me to believe that BPYC has a one-man RC? They they have nobody other than the esteemed Mr. Waller who can act as a PRO? They have no friends/colleagues at CCYC, ColYC, JPYC, or CYC that they could ask to help them out for a day? Complete and utter rubbish. If I were a member of BPYC I would be completely embarrassed by their actions.

 

Or... is it just a cover because "The weather has been absurd and most racers are not in the water and few have had time to practice" really is meant to apply to BPYC's RC and RC equipment (signal boat)?? Hmmm.....

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We have already had 3 races up here on Minnetonka. Actually, it's more like 10, but Jill won't let me sail everyday.

 

50 boats out on Sunday with 15 - 20 from the NE and sunny skies.

 

Last Thursday we had 64 boats out....and it was raining.

 

They tell me there can be up to 140 boat out for the WYC Thursday night series.

 

Over 200 boats expected for the Scow Inlands in August.

 

Should be a good summer.

 

See you all at NOOD's. Oh, if anyone needs good crew I have 3 people here that are looking for rides for NOOD's.

 

Hippie

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Hey I made a slight mistake in that last post, here is the corrected and correct info. (SSIs for next weekend are updated and posted on the A3 website as well now).

 

 

CCYC Race Schedule:

Sat 5/28 - at CCYC - SA1 Olympic Circle course

 

Sat night - big party at CCYC all please come!!

 

Sunday 5/29 - SA1 windward-leewards

 

Monday - sleep it off, Memorial Day Holiday!

 

The racing on Sat is held on the CCYC Olympic Race circle, and please, everyone, come out to the big party at CCYC on Sat night!! All are invited!! Plenty of free and easy parking as well.

 

Sunday's racing is windward-leeward and will be held at SA1.

(SA1 is offshore from Montrose)

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Hey I made a slight mistake in that last post, here is the corrected and correct info. (SSIs for next weekend are updated and posted on the A3 website as well now).

 

 

CCYC Race Schedule:

Sat 5/28 - at CCYC - SA1 Olympic Circle course

 

Sat night - big party at CCYC all please come!!

 

Sunday 5/29 - SA1 windward-leewards

 

Monday - sleep it off, Memorial Day Holiday!

 

The racing on Sat is held on the CCYC Olympic Race circle, and please, everyone, come out to the big party at CCYC on Sat night!! All are invited!! Plenty of free and easy parking as well.

 

Sunday's racing is windward-leeward and will be held at SA1.

(SA1 is offshore from Montrose)

 

Is that your final answer?

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Hey I made a slight mistake in that last post, here is the corrected and correct info. (SSIs for next weekend are updated and posted on the A3 website as well now).

 

 

CCYC Race Schedule:

Sat 5/28 - at CCYC - SA1 Olympic Circle course

 

Sat night - big party at CCYC all please come!!

 

Sunday 5/29 - SA1 windward-leewards

 

Monday - sleep it off, Memorial Day Holiday!

 

The racing on Sat is held on the CCYC Olympic Race circle, and please, everyone, come out to the big party at CCYC on Sat night!! All are invited!! Plenty of free and easy parking as well.

 

Sunday's racing is windward-leeward and will be held at SA1.

(SA1 is offshore from Montrose)

 

Is that your final answer?

 

Ha..yep! I had to use a lifeline on that one. Sorry for any confusion Regis.

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Ha..yep! I had to use a lifeline on that one. Sorry for any confusion Regis.

W/L on Sunday uses drop marks?

 

 

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Ha..yep! I had to use a lifeline on that one. Sorry for any confusion Regis.

W/L on Sunday uses drop marks?

 

 

 

At the risk of putting my foot in my mouth again, yes. It did last year, and I'm assuming it will again this year. Can't really set a true windward - leeward course with fixed marks.

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Any comment on the Section Breaks. If I were still racing the 38 I would not be too unhappy (Some but not TOO). While on the TP52 I think its way too big a spread particularly on the Port-to-Ports.

 

Robin

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Ha..yep! I had to use a lifeline on that one. Sorry for any confusion Regis.

W/L on Sunday uses drop marks?

 

 

 

At the risk of putting my foot in my mouth again, yes. It did last year, and I'm assuming it will again this year. Can't really set a true windward - leeward course with fixed marks.

 

You would have a 20/45 shot at being within 10 degrees of the correct heading (check my math). Distance is another story.

 

The Circus might be in town for that whole weekend. Lockup your valuables.

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Ha..yep! I had to use a lifeline on that one. Sorry for any confusion Regis.

W/L on Sunday uses drop marks?

 

 

 

At the risk of putting my foot in my mouth again, yes. It did last year, and I'm assuming it will again this year. Can't really set a true windward - leeward course with fixed marks.

 

You would have a 20/45 shot at being within 10 degrees of the correct heading (check my math). Distance is another story.

 

The Circus might be in town for that whole weekend. Lockup your valuables.

 

And any loose women

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In Scuttlebutt this morning:

 

EIGHT BELLS

Dick Jennings, one of my oldest and dearest sailing friends, died this

morning, May 17, 2011 at 10:30am. He passed peacefully, on his own terms,

and surrounded by people who loved him dearly.

 

I met Dick when we were racing in the 1968 Chicago's Yachting One-of-a-Kind

Regatta. I worked for North Sails, and Dick had a Soveral 24. I made some

sails, he won some races, and our life-long friendship began.

 

Dick's first one tonner Pied Piper, an aluminum Housemann, dominated the

Mac races in his class. He partnered his next Pied Piper Peterson one

tonner with Lowell North to win the One Ton World Championship. Dick

competed in 35 years of Mac Races. Next came the Peterson two tonners from

New Orleans, winning the SORC and Great Lakes Races.

 

A meeting with Bill Lee led to the building of the Santa Cruz 70 Pied Piper

in 1986 and the start of the GL70 Class. He won many Mac races and in 1987

he broke the 78-year old record. With his SC 70 Blondie, he won numerous

races in the Caribbean circuit.

 

What a ride we had and the best thing of all was his crews and the way he

was able to find, train and befriend some of the most wonderful guys and

girls to be great crews, some working on his boats, some in his business

and some like me just being part of the ride. Thanks, Dick. -- John Rumsey

 

NOTE: A Celebration of Life ceremony will be held in Chicago, date to be

determined.

 

 

 

 

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The loss of Dick is a considerable loss on so many levels that I cannot begin to write or express its magnitude. I thought about starting a Dick Jennings RIP thread here, but the fact is that he would have hated that. Dick was one of a kind. I celebrated his life last night with a good friend (and have the hang over to prove it) and my friend made a great comment. "If not for Dick Jennings, I am not sitting here..." and that is true. Dick affected the lives of so many people it is amazing. I could go on and on, but honestly, this forum is not deserving of Dick. There are more appropriate and fitting places to honor his memory... It is not a shot at SA, simply a fact.

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I'd like to say that Dick was one of a kind... but Chicago seems to have had quite of few of those. I heard some wonderful stories from Dick.

 

To Jack and all of Dick's family, my deepest condolences.

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