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LMSRF has been collecting the Area 3 season results since 2000 making them available for review, or use in statistical counts - http://lmsrf.org/areas/area-iii/announcements-a-history

Before there was the interwebs, there was a Chicago Tribune writer, Frank Hayes, who collected race results and wrote "In the Wake of the Fleet" newsletter and mailed them to subscribers.  Later Frank passed the baton to Kathleen Thomas.  We have access to the issues of "In the Wake of the Fleet" from 1968-1993, probably 20 issues per year at 16-20 pages each.

We could greatly expand the historical knowledge of Area 3.

This would require hiring a company to un-staple, then scan each issue into a PDF and do appropriate naming of the files, then re-staple them together again.  I have no estimate of the cost.

Do any of you see any value in doing this?

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On 5/26/2018 at 8:48 AM, Grinder said:

No love for Jackson Park YC?

Welcome.  Fuck that salt water shit.

 

Going from decades sailing Lake Michigan to Charlotte Harbor has been a lesson in rust prevention combined with all that other crap that erodes your boat, and your tools, and anything metal nearby.  My workshop is about 50' from our canal.  I'm constantly oiling my Lie Nielsen handplanes to keep rust at bay.  Nothing metal escapes the salt air.  And we're at the mouth of a river. 

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15 hours ago, Glenn McCarthy said:

LMSRF has been collecting the Area 3 season results since 2000 making them available for review, or use in statistical counts - http://lmsrf.org/areas/area-iii/announcements-a-history

Before there was the interwebs, there was a Chicago Tribune writer, Frank Hayes, who collected race results and wrote "In the Wake of the Fleet" newsletter and mailed them to subscribers.  Later Frank passed the baton to Kathleen Thomas.  We have access to the issues of "In the Wake of the Fleet" from 1968-1993, probably 20 issues per year at 16-20 pages each.

We could greatly expand the historical knowledge of Area 3.

This would require hiring a company to un-staple, then scan each issue into a PDF and do appropriate naming of the files, then re-staple them together again.  I have no estimate of the cost. 

Do any of you see any value in doing this?

Zero value in this! While its a nice nostalgic history lesson of the roaring 80's when sailing was much more popular, it does nothing for the state of the union today. Funding this is like lighting money on fire! Fleets are consolidating, PHRF 1-6 is cut down to PHRF 1-2, and OD is growing (a positive for those looking for better sailing). What little money LMSRF might have should be sent on something looking forward, not backward. Bold ideas, not history lessons.


How about you ask all Chicago LMSRF members on 1 Wednesday this summer to make room for two new people, then run an ad in the Trib with "free offshore sailing boat racing experience", setup a landing page on the website, collect contacts and put them in touch with owners. That's actionable.

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48 minutes ago, stayoutofthemiddle said:

Zero value in this! While its a nice nostalgic history lesson of the roaring 80's when sailing was much more popular, it does nothing for the state of the union today. Funding this is like lighting money on fire! Fleets are consolidating, PHRF 1-6 is cut down to PHRF 1-2, and OD is growing (a positive for those looking for better sailing). What little money LMSRF might have should be sent on something looking forward, not backward. Bold ideas, not history lessons.


How about you ask all Chicago LMSRF members on 1 Wednesday this summer to make room for two new people, then run an ad in the Trib with "free offshore sailing boat racing experience", setup a landing page on the website, collect contacts and put them in touch with owners. That's actionable.

Agree with this. The real key to the future is getting more people out on the water. We need to get away from the "yacht club" model where sailors are, if not required, strongly encouraged to become a club member in order to compete. We need to find more opportunities to get unaffiliated people out sailing and keep them sailing. There are many people who don't or can't pay thousands of dollars in membership dues each year but want to get out on the water.

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On 3/15/2019 at 9:48 AM, stayoutofthemiddle said:

Zero value in this! While its a nice nostalgic history lesson of the roaring 80's when sailing was much more popular, it does nothing for the state of the union today. Funding this is like lighting money on fire! Fleets are consolidating, PHRF 1-6 is cut down to PHRF 1-2, and OD is growing (a positive for those looking for better sailing). What little money LMSRF might have should be sent on something looking forward, not backward. Bold ideas, not history lessons.


How about you ask all Chicago LMSRF members on 1 Wednesday this summer to make room for two new people, then run an ad in the Trib with "free offshore sailing boat racing experience", setup a landing page on the website, collect contacts and put them in touch with owners. That's actionable.

Answers to you and Rum Runner together -

It was proposed to make clubs open to the general public showing up to go for a sail on Wednesday nights, with some sort of sign "Line up here" and the boaters go pick up some people for their boats.  Alas, clubs did not want the unscreened public entering their premises, that they paid for, without having any idea who they were.  Plus, they didn't want to get people who "just wanted to go out for a sail" and give them "free rides."  They want people who could become full time sailors.

Which moves it to a different answer - Crew Finders. This is the crew and the boat owner making connections, leaving the clubs out of it. The boat owners make the invitation, these new crew become their responsibility at the club if they do something untoward, and they can screen each person to figure out if they are just trying to go out for a free sail, or have an earnest interest in joining the sailing scene.

So, all Area 3 clubs were asked to create a Crew Finder on their websites, all said they would, and they aren't all there yet.  Of course with LMSRF just adopting RailMeets.com it might speed up the connectivity between the public and the boat owners regionally, rather than wait any longer for all clubs to get their own crewfinders running.

The concept being, creating handouts at street fairs in Lincoln Park (or other locations to be selected).  Do you live on the North Side? Here are the Crew Finder websites for you.  Do you live Central? Here are the Crew Finder websites for you.  Do you live on the South Side? Here are the Crew Finder websites for you.  You might also advertise all of the Crew Schools that occur in the spring also.

Now pick an event - Just looked at North Halsted Market Days.  A Not-For-Profit Vendor 10X10 booth space is $720.  And of course some signage is needed - "Free Sailing - It Ain't Expensive!"  And the printing of the flyers.  And who wants to give up a weekend of sailing to stand in a booth?  I know I would do it.

Would you get 100 people signing up on Crew Finders?  If so, the acquisition cost per crew becomes close to $10 each.

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14 hours ago, Glenn McCarthy said:

Answers to you and Rum Runner together -

It was proposed to make clubs open to the general public showing up to go for a sail on Wednesday nights, with some sort of sign "Line up here" and the boaters go pick up some people for their boats.  Alas, clubs did not want the unscreened public entering their premises, that they paid for, without having any idea who they were.  Plus, they didn't want to get people who "just wanted to go out for a sail" and give them "free rides."  They want people who could become full time sailors.

Which moves it to a different answer - Crew Finders. This is the crew and the boat owner making connections, leaving the clubs out of it. The boat owners make the invitation, these new crew become their responsibility at the club if they do something untoward, and they can screen each person to figure out if they are just trying to go out for a free sail, or have an earnest interest in joining the sailing scene.

So, all Area 3 clubs were asked to create a Crew Finder on their websites, all said they would, and they aren't all there yet.  Of course with LMSRF just adopting RailMeets.com it might speed up the connectivity between the public and the boat owners regionally, rather than wait any longer for all clubs to get their own crewfinders running.

The concept being, creating handouts at street fairs in Lincoln Park (or other locations to be selected).  Do you live on the North Side? Here are the Crew Finder websites for you.  Do you live Central? Here are the Crew Finder websites for you.  Do you live on the South Side? Here are the Crew Finder websites for you.  You might also advertise all of the Crew Schools that occur in the spring also.

Now pick an event - Just looked at North Halsted Market Days.  A Not-For-Profit Vendor 10X10 booth space is $720.  And of course some signage is needed - "Free Sailing - It Ain't Expensive!"  And the printing of the flyers.  And who wants to give up a weekend of sailing to stand in a booth?  I know I would do it.

Would you get 100 people signing up on Crew Finders?  If so, the acquisition cost per crew becomes close to $10 each. 

Glenn,

I think I follow you. If I read correctly, you are agreeing an outreach program is needed. I'm not sure I agree with your execution plan, not because it is bad, but just because it can be done much more simply.

1. Control what you can control. Trying to get the clubs to do anything is like watching paint dry. Whoever owns the CASRA site should put a crew finder blog up there that site has become the defacto sailing info site for Chicago.

2. Get owners to sign up... Need "demand" before you can recruit people to fill slots.

3. To attract new crew I go back to a simple half page ad in the Trib or Instagram ad with a cool sailing photo and link to the CASRA crew pool. The rest will take care of itself...

Just my 2 cents...

 

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You are correct, we're working on trying to get more butts on boats.  I was just trying to give you the background on what the hurdles have been, and what system apparently will satisfy all parties.

Now, there has been a ton of recommendations to lean on Lincoln Park. The Yups run, bike, volleyball, zoo, etc. along the lakefront and see all of those boats out there, it is a heavy concentration of single people with incomes.  It is thought to be the best neighborhood to cherry pick crews from.  While a long time Trib fan, not sure that many people read it anymore, especially the digital younger crowd that makes up the target near northside market.

That's where the street fair idea came in, the Yups are all out looking for something to do so they're at the fair.  You give them a way to use Chicago's largest park - Lake Michigan, and it is an extension of the lakefront they use so much now.

How many will you get from Geneva, or Flossmoor, or McHenry?  What will be their ages and demographics?

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Yups make for terrible crew, unreliable to start with and then have kids and disappear. Why target them? Best crew are unattached/divorced middle age oddballs. You are better off finding them at home depot or dive bars. 

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And while we're at it, don't disparage the Yacht Clubs!  

They are the ones that put on the races, supply assets, race committee, marks et., and spend countless hours organizing, etc.!

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Second for ads at Home Depot and dive bars.

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What about trying the free "activities" "things to do in Chicago" websites?  I couldn't find posting spots on HD or Dive Bar websites ;)  Do you have some websites you would recommend that might get butts on boats?

  • Craigslist Activities
  • Craigslist Events
  • Time Out Chicago
  • Chicago Metromix
  • Choose Chicago

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21 hours ago, Keysrock35 said:

Yups make for terrible crew, unreliable to start with and then have kids and disappear. Why target them? Best crew are unattached/divorced middle age oddballs. You are better off finding them at home depot or dive bars.  

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The tried and true method is to attract the women and the boys will show up.

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So you're saying try women looking for men dating sites and invite them to the dudefest that sailing is today?

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I have personally found crew of the hipster (read: youngish) persuasion by posting on Craigslist - give it a shot. I've also found I have to have a specific boat I am recruiting for and that boat is already committed to going out. I usually have no problem scaring up bodies, but rarely can find the boats that are actually leaving the dock to send them to. 

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17 hours ago, Glenn McCarthy said:

So you're saying try women looking for men dating sites and invite them to the dudefest that sailing is today?

I agree with you here. Having sailed with a number of very good sailors who happen to be women, most are put off by the macho types on many boats. They just want to sail competitively with a skipper and crew who treats them equally. They are generally put off by the guys who troll for dates while racing. 

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32 minutes ago, Rum Runner said:

I agree with you here. Having sailed with a number of very good sailors who happen to be women, most are put off by the macho types on many boats. They just want to sail competitively with a skipper and crew who treats them equally. They are generally put off by the guys who troll for dates while racing. 

It's like the guy that wears running shorts to a yoga class and thinks girls want to look at his balls.  Not the place....DUDE.

After I race with woman they are usually so impressed they soften up and then accept the Mt. Gay and coke I am serving....:D

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4 hours ago, proOC said:

It's like the guy that wears running shorts to a yoga class and thinks girls want to look at his balls.  Not the place....DUDE.

After I race with woman they are usually so impressed they soften up and then accept the Mt. Gay and coke I am serving....:D

This is why a lot of women don't want to sail. Ease up on being impressed with yourself.

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I've got a question. What's is the goal here Glenn?

Are you trying to get more people sailing or more boats racing? If boats, which type?

Good boats (well maintained equipment and an owner who knows how to drive. eg, highschool / college dinghy experience) never have a hard time getting / keeping crew.

That begs the question, who is your target audience here? The guy who cruises his 1981 J/35 with the original sails but would like to ease into racing? Not sure that this rising tide would lifts all boats (fleets). Many of the crew on SA are interested in seeing the more numbers on the line for in the competitive, OD boats, not building numbers in the PHRF 5 class as those by default will rarely become competitive programs. 

 

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Just now, stayoutofthemiddle said:

I've got a question. What's is the goal here Glenn?

Are you trying to get more people sailing or more boats racing? If boats, which type?

Good boats (well maintained equipment and an owner who knows how to drive. eg, highschool / college dinghy experience) never have a hard time getting / keeping crew.

That begs the question, who is your target audience here? The guy who cruises his 1981 J/35 with the original sails but would like to ease into racing? Not sure that this rising tide would lifts all boats (fleets). Many of the crew on SA are interested in seeing the more numbers on the line for in the competitive, OD boats, not building numbers in the PHRF 5 class as those by default will rarely become competitive programs. 

 

Elementary - Get more boats racing, period.  Don't care what they got, don't care if newbies, low budget, high budget, top notch, whatever.  In surveys done in A3 and CASRA people have reported they didn't race some days as they didn't have crew.  Getting an adequate supply of crew then gets more boats on starting lines.

We all have seen the turnover in crews, they move, quit racing, retire, die, etc.  We gotta keep a pipeline of new people moving in.

 

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16 hours ago, Rum Runner said:

This is why a lot of women don't want to sail. Ease up on being impressed with yourself.

Most don't want the attitude or just want to be left alone?  I would think both...and my candor also seeps sarcasm!  It's a team sport remember....

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4 hours ago, proOC said:

Most don't want the attitude or just want to be left alone?  I would think both...and my candor also seeps sarcasm!  It's a team sport remember....

PIG! :ph34r:

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11 hours ago, Sea warrior said:

Hello all,

Is this a good thread for introducing myself?

 

depends on what you  are looking for

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7 hours ago, 12345 said:

depends on what you  are looking for

There’s a joke about someone’s mother in there somewhere but I’ll resist....

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21 hours ago, 12345 said:

depends on what you  are looking for

A+ weather in July....

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Anyone know what the "Hundred Boat Beer Can" and Chicago Race Week is all about?

Are they looking to get 100 boats per circle? (Montrose + Belmont) and (Col and Monroe) ??

I also heard Montrose and Belmont finally merged Wed Night racing. Finally! Well overdue. Splitting the heard wasn't a win!

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CRW is bookended with Columbia Cup on the first weekend of August, and Verve Offshore on the second weekend.  In between there will be various one day sailing activities.  The "Super Beer Can" you speak of is for the Monroe circles.  I am not aware of what Belmont / Montrose are doing.

I also do not have information on the events Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday.

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3 hours ago, stayoutofthemiddle said:

Anyone know what the "Hundred Boat Beer Can" and Chicago Race Week is all about?

Are they looking to get 100 boats per circle? (Montrose + Belmont) and (Col and Monroe) ??

I also heard Montrose and Belmont finally merged Wed Night racing. Finally! Well overdue. Splitting the heard wasn't a win!

All answers found in this month's FREE LMSRF newsletter starting on Page 11 - http://lmsrf.org/images/stories/newsletters/2019/2019_03_LakeMichiganSuRF.pdf

If you're not getting this great resource of info, sign up for it now (LMSRF does not sell or share email addresses with anyone else) - https://visitor.r20.constantcontact.com/manage/optin/ea?v=001TYH5ba1NOYXlBKc31Ek7Rg%3D%3D

 

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4 hours ago, stayoutofthemiddle said:

Anyone know what the "Hundred Boat Beer Can" and Chicago Race Week is all about?

Are they looking to get 100 boats per circle? (Montrose + Belmont) and (Col and Monroe) ??

I also heard Montrose and Belmont finally merged Wed Night racing. Finally! Well overdue. Splitting the heard wasn't a win!

 

They are looking to have all of the circles race at Monroe.

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Who on earth would sail down for a Beercan from up North? 

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4 minutes ago, 12345 said:

Who on earth would sail down for a Beercan from up North? 

There is a "feeder" race on Tuesday night from Belmont to downtown.  Or you can motor.  You certainly don't have to sail down.

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I'm at Monroe and beer cans are already too far away for me to bother with.

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On Tuesday the south side beer can course races to downtown, the north side beet can courses race downtown and the downtown been can course races with all finishing on the same finish line.  Boats can tie at CYC or ColYC with a party at one of them (TBD). Then Wednesday all boats will do a simple (probably) out to a single buoy and back to downtown, again with a party at the opposite club, CYC or ColYC with a party.  Since it was too hard to click on the link for some of ya!:P

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14 hours ago, Glenn McCarthy said:

On Tuesday the south side beer can course races to downtown, the north side beet can courses race downtown and the downtown been can course races with all finishing on the same finish line.  Boats can tie at CYC or ColYC with a party at one of them (TBD). Then Wednesday all boats will do a simple (probably) out to a single buoy and back to downtown, again with a party at the opposite club, CYC or ColYC with a party.  Since it was too hard to click on the link for some of ya!:P

another night on the water, great, but requires crew... and a trip back north/south to the harbor after wed night... which creates the issue of meet up N/S on Tuesday then get back to your car after meeting in the LOOP.... and visa versa on Wed night. 

Just trying to wrap my head around the convenience factor. 

 

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46 minutes ago, 12345 said:

another night on the water, great, but requires crew... and a trip back north/south to the harbor after wed night... which creates the issue of meet up N/S on Tuesday then get back to your car after meeting in the LOOP.... and visa versa on Wed night. 

Just trying to wrap my head around the convenience factor. 

 

And I forgot to include it is FREE dockage at ColYC and CYC both nights.

Logistics is part of sailboat racing, we all figure out how to get around.

 

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Any of you fine folks got a Reccomendation for a surveyor in Chicago area?

 

thanks in advance.

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Was all excited to launch Friday, but the electrics on the ignition switch are shot. (I replaced the switch, tested ok a couple months ago). Barring a miracle troubleshoot tomorrow, I'll need a tow to the slip. 

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Post your issue to the CA group, they are tuned in to issues like this.  Sure seems like stealing your boat might work for a one-off.  

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Jump it with a screwdriver.

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Tried that before replacing the switch, didn't work, prob because I don't know how. Trying to short random shit: I am very smart.

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Great guy, sorry to have lost him -

Arthur (Buddy) Strilky, age 93. Beloved husband of the late Jacqueline, nee Feder. Loving father of Mimi (the late Stuart) Rosenbush and Rick Strilky. Proud grandfather of Eric (Tess) Rosenbush, Lara Rosenbush, Aaron (Lynda) Rosenbush, and Jack Strilky and proud great grandfather of Chandra Moore. Loving uncle to Scott (Dell Kennedy) Feder and Howard Feder. Last surviving crew member of the B-29 Hog Wild, which was shot down by the Soviets over Korea at the end of World War II. He was MIA POW before being liberated. Lifelong Chicagoan, member of Columbia Yacht Club, skippered off-shore racing sailboats for over 70 years. Beloved by crew and competitors alike. He particularly enjoyed engaging the willing listener with his original, erudite intellect and eloquent wit. Service Tuesday, 10:30 AM at Chicago Jewish Funerals, 8851 Skokie Blvd (at Niles Center Road), Skokie. Interment Westlawn. In lieu of flowers, memorials in his name may be made to the Rosenbush Cardiology Prevention Fellowship www.rush.edu/rosenbush. Arrangements by Chicago Jewish Funerals – Skokie Chapel, 847.229.8822, www.cjfinfo.com.

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/chicagotribune/obituary.aspx?n=arthur-strilky-buddy&pid=192733945&fbclid=IwAR1OkcAPQ65Aa4AB5xr3inj6ksDkOkW0SDWIcdyFJo2AnwcuCoVvjLQ2vPQ

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Four hundred fuckin bucks for Verve entry fee. 20% over last year, $110 more than NOOD.

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Just now, fucket said:

Fuckin four hundred bucks for Verve entry fee.

As a very wise man once said to me upon balking about a $10 cover at a Gentleman's Club, don't worry, that will represent a very small percentage of your total investment.

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Hey folks.  Just checking in after the 1st beer can race of the season, in 20kts no less. 

 

I also want to put this out there:

If you are sailing or going to Mac Island for the CYC Race to Mackinac, I'd like to propose an unofficial meet-up for a toast to our friend Jon Santarelli, who passed away in the '18 race.

Tuesday, July 16th.

Mustang Lounge, 10pm

Hope to see all of you there.  Be safe.

Jim C

 

 

 

 

 

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Looking forward to the Colors next weekend!  Coming over from Muskegon!  First time doing this regatta.  Should be fun with 7 J/111 on the line.

Hroth

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Best wipeout of the weekend goes to Dire Wolf.  Sweet one during race #1 Saturday. Good to see them get cleaned up and back in the race.   

Hang 10! 

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17 hours ago, 12345 said:

Congrats to the Vytis!

Thanks.

Tiebreaker with a bullet last race.  The fog was really like none other we have seen...

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On 6/11/2019 at 7:30 AM, proOC said:

Thanks.

Tiebreaker with a bullet last race.  The fog was really like none other we have seen...

dunno, we have been pretty foggy on the lake before.... :ph34r:

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