Chicago Area III

[stayoutofthemiddle 15]

11 hours ago, stayoutofthemiddle said:

This is what will drive the racing discussion in Chicago...

Boat Length	Max. Capacity (Including kids < 17 years old)	Max. # of Adults
<25 feet	6	4
26-36 feet	8	6
>36 feet	10	8

....so back to the crew limits. Anyone want to take a stab about this this will impact racing? J/111 and the big odd ball boats certainly wouldn't be able to hike flat...

[MR.CLEAN 3,842]

20 minutes ago, stayoutofthemiddle said:

....so back to the crew limits. Anyone want to take a stab about this this will impact racing? J/111 and the big odd ball boats certainly wouldn't be able to hike flat...

reef early and often

[Grinder 50]

There is some distance race being run out of Harbor Springs for the TP52 fleet.   Around Beaver & Manitous.   
 

Who’s got the skinny?   

 

[JoeO 114]

2 hours ago, stayoutofthemiddle said:

....so back to the crew limits. Anyone want to take a stab about this this will impact racing? J/111 and the big odd ball boats certainly wouldn't be able to hike flat...

At first blush, it means that if you can only take say 8 adults on a F40, then they all have to be key, experienced players, especially in challenging condiutions - no room for "learning" or "developmental" positions or "bring a friend who may like racing". Hopefully one can find a couple under 18's that know their way around and bring the total up to ten. Maybe a side effect is getting more younger (high school) kids out there. On something bigger (TP52s, etc.) it will definitely be a challenge both in manuevers and in rail meat. Which means not sailing at 100%, whereas smaller boats may be able to. This leads to the possibility that in  handicap situation in a class that has say 40-footers up to 70-footers, the smaller boats will haev a built-in advantage. Now let's go appeal our 2020 LMPHRF handicap since we can't sail at "full strength"!   All for a PHRF race!   

One thing that CASRA/YCs/Class Associations will have to come to grips with - do they put in their NOR/SIs some statement to the effect that "Exceeding the crew limitation imposed by the State of IL will not be grounds for protest. This does not affect protests for violations of crew limitations imposed by Class or Rating/Handicap Rules"? Or do they open themselves up to competitors policing this (State of IL compliance)?

[Cal20sailor 2,335]

14 minutes ago, JoeO said:

At first blush, it means that if you can only take say 8 adults on a F40, then they all have to be key, experienced players, especially in challenging condiutions - no room for "learning" or "developmental" positions or "bring a friend who may like racing". Hopefully one can find a couple under 18's that know their way around and bring the total up to ten. Maybe a side effect is getting more younger (high school) kids out there. On something bigger (TP52s, etc.) it will definitely be a challenge both in manuevers and in rail meat. Which means not sailing at 100%, whereas smaller boats may be able to. This leads to the possibility that in  handicap situation in a class that has say 40-footers up to 70-footers, the smaller boats will haev a built-in advantage. Now let's go appeal our 2020 LMPHRF handicap since we can't sail at "full strength"!   All for a PHRF race!   

One thing that CASRA/YCs/Class Associations will have to come to grips with - do they put in their NOR/SIs some statement to the effect that "Exceeding the crew limitation imposed by the State of IL will not be grounds for protest. This does not affect protests for violations of crew limitations imposed by Class or Rating/Handicap Rules"? Or do they open themselves up to competitors policing this (State of IL compliance)?

An SC70 is easily sailed by 8 competent sailors.

[hrothgar 97]

2 hours ago, stayoutofthemiddle said:

....so back to the crew limits. Anyone want to take a stab about this this will impact racing? J/111 and the big odd ball boats certainly wouldn't be able to hike flat...

J/111 are fine with 8.  That is the typical crew number based on the one design weight limit.  We usually sail with 7 because I am fat.

Hroth

[Cal20sailor 2,335]

2 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

reef early and often

And live with the astertisk.

[MR.CLEAN 3,842]

If barry bonds can, bora can!

[JoeO 114]

47 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

An SC70 is easily sailed by 8 competent sailors.

Whaddabout railmeat in 20+ ?

[JohnMB 320]

25 minutes ago, JoeO said:

Whaddabout railmeat in 20+ ?

Oh ffs, who gives a crap,

if you have to give up the small number of 20+  race days that Chicago gets in June/Aug that's not going to be the worst thing that happened this year.

 

 

[JoeO 114]

7 minutes ago, JohnMB said:

Oh ffs, who gives a crap,

if you have to give up the small number of 20+  race days that Chicago gets in June/Aug that's not going to be the worst thing that happened this year.

I'm not saying I do. I'm more than happy to go out and race with whatever we get dealt - this isn't the "Worlds' or what not, its Chicago PHRF/OD racing. Big deal. if it's blowing 18-20+ and we're sailing with 8, we'll ajusrt

My question was more theoretical  - as to whether C20S didn't think the extra rail meat of 4-6 folk on an SC70 was noticeable in breeze, or how much it might matter. My thinking says "some". Buddahh knows that when going around the top mark on many boats, getting peeple off the rail too early in anticipation of the set is a loser move in a tight clsss.

[40048 5]

3 hours ago, Cal20sailor said:

An SC70 is easily sailed by 8 competent sailors.

I'll get my popcorn going now.  If anyone actually tried it, it would be beyond entertaining.

As long as no one gets hurt.

Which would be a distinct possibility I think.

[Grinder 50]

1 hour ago, 40048 said:

I'll get my popcorn going now.  If anyone actually tried it, it would be beyond entertaining.

As long as no one gets hurt.

Which would be a distinct possibility I think.

Distance racing-yes.  
Grand Illusion did the 2011 Transpac with 8.  We did it on an Andrews 68 (same boat) with 11.  

[Cal20sailor 2,335]

10 hours ago, JoeO said:

I'm not saying I do. I'm more than happy to go out and race with whatever we get dealt - this isn't the "Worlds' or what not, its Chicago PHRF/OD racing. Big deal. if it's blowing 18-20+ and we're sailing with 8, we'll ajusrt

My question was more theoretical  - as to whether C20S didn't think the extra rail meat of 4-6 folk on an SC70 was noticeable in breeze, or how much it might matter. My thinking says "some". Buddahh knows that when going around the top mark on many boats, getting peeple off the rail too early in anticipation of the set is a loser move in a tight clsss.

I forget his name but he ran Holua for a few years but he set a scale on the dock and the owner RAF'ed

Of course the rail meat mattered, having to explain shit to a nuclear physicist is trying.

[JoeO 114]

6 hours ago, Cal20sailor said:

Of course the rail meat mattered, having to explain shit to a nuclear physicist is trying.

I knew I could get it out of you! ;-)

[40048 5]

CASRA:

LET’S GET RACING!

JUNE 17, 2020

As many of you know, the Chicago Harbors will open this coming Monday, June 22nd.  We are excited to tell you that the first CASRA race has been scheduled for Sunday, July 5th, which will mark the beginning of CASRA’s new Social Distancing Series.  We’ll have options available for short-handed crews, casual sailors, and everyone else looking to have fun on the water.  There will be something for everyone!  Watch for race documents, entry portals, and series race dates next week.  We look forward to seeing you on the water soon.

[dcbsheb 17]

On 6/16/2020 at 6:59 PM, Grinder said:

Distance racing-yes.  
Grand Illusion did the 2011 Transpac with 8.  We did it on an Andrews 68 (same boat) with 11.  

I'm pretty sure most SC 70's go to Hawaii with 8 crew on board.  It wouldn't too difficult to sail a sled with 8 competent people around a buoy course against a mixed fleet of club racers.  Different approach to things, but not too difficult.

[40048 5]

17 minutes ago, dcbsheb said:

I'm pretty sure most SC 70's go to Hawaii with 8 crew on board.  It wouldn't too difficult to sail a sled with 8 competent people around a buoy course against a mixed fleet of club racers.  Different approach to things, but not too difficult.

I'd be curious to know what you envision the 8 positions would be especially when going around marks and gybing.

[dcbsheb 17]

1 hour ago, 40048 said:

I'd be curious to know what you envision the 8 positions would be especially when going around marks and gybing.

Do you need me to draw you a diagram?  

[fingerbang 15]

since you are offering, sure....thanks!!  

[40048 5]

54 minutes ago, dcbsheb said:

Do you need me to draw you a diagram?  

Yes please

 

[Monkey 1,331]

1 hour ago, 40048 said:

Yes please

 

1:  helm

2:  spin trim

3:  main

4:  guy trim

5:  pit 

6:  topping lift/fore guy

7:  bow

8: runners  

much like DCBSheb, been there, done that.  Hell, we flew kites on deliveries with only two on deck at a time.  (4 on board)  

I’m not saying it’s fast, but know for a fact it’s manageable. 

[Gangbusters 113]

51 minutes ago, Monkey said:

1:  helm

2:  spin trim

3:  main

4:  guy trim

5:  pit 

6:  topping lift/fore guy

7:  bow

8: runners  

much like DCBSheb, been there, done that.  Hell, we flew kites on deliveries with only two on deck at a time.  (4 on board)  

I’m not saying it’s fast, but know for a fact it’s manageable. 

My first Solo Mac was with a boat with runners and a symmetrical kite, I did all those jobs.

[Lightfoot 16]

The SC’s I’ve raced on so the macs with 16. 8 per watch. So I agree, you can do any maneuver with 8.
 

that said, I wouldn’t bouy race with eight... unless everyone except the driver is under 20 and fitness freaks. And even then only Saturday not Sunday. 

[dcbsheb 17]

21 hours ago, 40048 said:

Yes please

 

 

19 hours ago, Monkey said:

1:  helm

2:  spin trim

3:  main

4:  guy trim

5:  pit 

6:  topping lift/fore guy

7:  bow

8: runners  

much like DCBSheb, been there, done that.  Hell, we flew kites on deliveries with only two on deck at a time.  (4 on board)  

I’m not saying it’s fast, but know for a fact it’s manageable. 

Make sense now?  I started drawing a diagram & realized that I can't draw.  What Monkey said is pretty damn close.  Not trying to be the cool kid or a tough guy.  I'm also not talking about closed-course racing against fully crewed SC-70's.  Just making a point that it's not as hard as one might think, especially once A-sails came along.  Turning a leeward mark takes time & skilled coordination, but on a distance race, you have the time to set up for a jibe, sail change, etc. so that 8 people is more than enough.  Like I said, they go to Hawaii with 8 all the time.

[REW 48]

I remember when Bill Martin and Dave Irish used to double hand Stripes in the Huron Doublehanded Challenge about 20 years ago.

[stayoutofthemiddle 15]

23 hours ago, Lightfoot said:

The SC’s I’ve raced on so the macs with 16. 8 per watch. So I agree, you can do any maneuver with 8.
 

that said, I wouldn’t bouy race with eight... unless everyone except the driver is under 20 and fitness freaks. And even then only Saturday not Sunday. 

16?!!! Why. You don't need a fully second shift. Just drop 3 off every 4 hours.

[Lightfoot 16]

13 hours ago, stayoutofthemiddle said:

16?!!! Why. You don't need a fully second shift. Just drop 3 off every 4 hours.

I agree, but I’m not going to explain The reason why any further besides it was complicated.

[Grinder 50]

3 hours ago, Lightfoot said:

I agree, but I’m not going to explain The reason why any further besides it was complicated.

*family

Understood.

[40048 5]

On 6/19/2020 at 1:01 PM, dcbsheb said:

 

Make sense now?  I started drawing a diagram & realized that I can't draw.  What Monkey said is pretty damn close.  Not trying to be the cool kid or a tough guy.  I'm also not talking about closed-course racing against fully crewed SC-70's.  Just making a point that it's not as hard as one might think, especially once A-sails came along.  Turning a leeward mark takes time & skilled coordination, but on a distance race, you have the time to set up for a jibe, sail change, etc. so that 8 people is more than enough.  Like I said, they go to Hawaii with 8 all the time.

Where's your mast?  Where are your grinders?  Who is flaking the genoa so it's ready to go up at the bottom?  Who is pulling up the new genoa for a change?  Who is pulling the kite into the boat at the bottom?  You got one guy doing main?  How's that work when it's blowing 20 and it's time to gybe?  Sorry but there's just lots of holes that you aren't able to fill with this plan.

I agree with everyone who is saying that you can distance race very short-handed.   Lots of time to plan.  Lots of time between maneuvers.  And you can add an auto-helm and drop one more person.

BUT, getting around a typical Chicago 1.5-mile-leg buoy race is a whole different animal.

 

 

[JoeO 114]

On 6/19/2020 at 1:01 PM, dcbsheb said:

 

  I'm also not talking about closed-course racing against fully crewed SC-70's.  Just making a point that it's not as hard as one might think, especially once A-sails came along. 

But we were talking about closed-course racing - at least that is the context in which I originally brought it up (thinking of Verve cup in August, if it happens). We all know that for TP or distance racing, you can do it with fewer as you have time to plan, etc.   Lots to do as 40048 points out - even on a lowly 40 footer, where even I in my physical decrepitude do not need an (additional) grinder on the main, nor a pedestal jockey to trim jib/afterguy/kite, or a runner winch spinner.

On a wholly unrelated note, looks like the BYC Mac is becoming a bit of a farce:

https://www.bycmack.com/raceupdates.cfm

 

[Tenacity 5]

We're racing!  MORF Opener  Sunday June 28 11am

MORF will be racing on Sunday June 28.  This race is open to all with no fee.   SA7 and Government marks will be used.  The course is 14NM starting from SA7 toward the 4 mile crib.  It can be shortened to 8NM if conditions warrant.  10 MORF boats have already said they will be coming.  Everyone else in the community is invited.  

If you are not a MORF member sign-up by emailing your boat name, sail number and PHRF rating to morf@morfracing.org from an email address where we can reach you.  Communication will be via the MORF notice board morfracing.net/wpmocha/offical-notice-board/.  The NOR and SSIs will be available there shortly
 
Compliance with all state and local regulations are the responsibility of the Skipper.

 

[40048 5]

21 hours ago, JoeO said:

On a wholly unrelated note, looks like the BYC Mac is becoming a bit of a farce:

https://www.bycmack.com/raceupdates.cfm

 

In a Scuttlebutt item on Friday they also mentioned how the state (MI) requires that social distancing be maintained while on boats.  The comment was that this should be done below deck as well.  Seems that means only 1-2 people allowed below deck on some of the smaller boats since there's probably not much more than 6' of separation between usable spaces on those boats.  Are we at the point where the attempt to hold this event is considered beating a dead horse?

[dcbsheb 17]

On 6/20/2020 at 7:56 PM, 40048 said:

Where's your mast?  Where are your grinders?  Who is flaking the genoa so it's ready to go up at the bottom?  Who is pulling up the new genoa for a change?  Who is pulling the kite into the boat at the bottom?  You got one guy doing main?  How's that work when it's blowing 20 and it's time to gybe?  Sorry but there's just lots of holes that you aren't able to fill with this plan.

I agree with everyone who is saying that you can distance race very short-handed.   Lots of time to plan.  Lots of time between maneuvers.  And you can add an auto-helm and drop one more person.

BUT, getting around a typical Chicago 1.5-mile-leg buoy race is a whole different animal.

 

 

The mast is hopefully still vertical.  If it's blowing 20, you're probably not buoy racing with 8 on a SC-70, and you're certainly not doing it on a 1.5 NM course.  If you want to keep playing the "what if" game, that's fine with me.  If you need a second person to jibe the main, then you won't be one of the 8 people I'd buoy race a sled with.  The same 2-3 guys at/near the bow will be the ones flaking the genoa, raising it, jumping halyards.  Anyone with a free hand is helping to pull the kite down, and the guy driving can be a big help too.  No auto helm.  You only need 2 headsail trimmers, and one of them is grinding.  If you''re going upwind with a #1 up, you have 3-4 people that are just movable ballast & highly capable of turning cranks.

I know you feel it can't be done, and that's your right to have a differing opinion.  Mine is that it can...and has been done, and it's not as difficult as you're making it out to be.  I never said it can be done in 20 kts, and I certainly never said it should be done.  All I said is that it can be done more easily than you think with a crew that knows one another and knows the boat.

[Cal20sailor 2,335]

3 hours ago, dcbsheb said:

and the guy driving can be a big help too

The guy driving is critical to things not going pear shaped.  Downwind, drive deep for both sets and drops.  On jibes, drive deep and free fly the chute until things are made and then play the angles.  Upwind, don't expect to tack on every 2deg shift.  I'd try to do a 1.5nm leg in no more than 3 tacks.  On a 70, in anything more than about 8kts true, the weight on the rail helps for buoy racing.  And for FFS, don't get tangled up with another boat.  

[JoeO 114]

I think everyone is talking around each other on this issue... I think there is general agreement that

1. it is possible to execute maneuvers on a SC70 with 8 experienced crew, as long as it's not
   1. short courses
   2. strong winds
2. more railmeat (above 8) is beneficial in moderate to high winds

But looking at my statement, that started this trouble:

"On something bigger (TP52s, etc.) it will definitely be a challenge both in maneuvers and in rail meat. Which means not sailing at 100%, whereas smaller boats may be able to."

Do we not agree to the veracity of that statement in, say, Verve Cup conditions above 16kts? Where a Beneteau 40.7 is basically "fully crewed", with a full compelement of  "railmeat", while the SC70 is not? And in that case is more able to sail to to its rating than the SC70?

[dcbsheb 17]

Yes.  Agree.

 

[Grinder 50]

Let’s move on. 

[ChiGuy 9]

With Illinois moving to stage 4 soon, does that mean 50 people on a boat? Should be able to handle a SC 70 just fine

[ropetrick 76]

1 hour ago, ChiGuy said:

With Illinois moving to stage 4 soon, does that mean 50 people on a boat? Should be able to handle a SC 70 just fine

Ten on deck to sail the boat and a forty person orgy below.

[SailChiTown 3]

13 hours ago, JoeO said:

I think everyone is talking around each other on this issue... I think there is general agreement that

1. it is possible to execute maneuvers on a SC70 with 8 experienced crew, as long as it's not
   1. short courses
   2. strong winds
2. more railmeat (above 8) is beneficial in moderate to high winds

But looking at my statement, that started this trouble:

"On something bigger (TP52s, etc.) it will definitely be a challenge both in maneuvers and in rail meat. Which means not sailing at 100%, whereas smaller boats may be able to."

Do we not agree to the veracity of that statement in, say, Verve Cup conditions above 16kts? Where a Beneteau 40.7 is basically "fully crewed", with a full compelement of  "railmeat", while the SC70 is not? And in that case is more able to sail to to its rating than the SC70?

You don't sail 40.7s do you? Full crew for railmeat is 12. yes, that is way overkill for the maneuvers, but that boat is over powered with the mast 2 feet forward of original design and needs the bodies. i would say a 36.7 would be considered fully crewed with 8, some take 9.

[JoeO 114]

22 minutes ago, SailChiTown said:

You don't sail 40.7s do you? Full crew for railmeat is 12. yes, that is way overkill for the maneuvers, but that boat is over powered with the mast 2 feet forward of original design and needs the bodies. i would say a 36.7 would be considered fully crewed with 8, some take 9.

No, F40s, where 10 is the practical (weight limit) max. Can't imagine 12 on a 40.7 is "ergonomically friendly" !  On 40-41' IOR or IMS boats with user-friendly cockpits, 12 was crowded. 

At any rate, 10 on a 40.7, is closer to optimum than 8 on a SC70.

Let's stop beating this dead horse...

[JohnMB 320]

9 minutes ago, JoeO said:

No, F40s, where 10 is the practical (weight limit) max. Can't imagine 12 on a 40.7 is "ergonomically friendly" !  On 40-41' IOR or IMS boats with user-friendly cockpits, 12 was crowded.

You let railmeat into the cockpit..... you must be getting soft :).

[Lightfoot 16]

I know there is another thread on this, but did everyone see the PH to Mac announcement that DNR rules at the mac island harbor has led them to cancel their reservation and thus not be able to offer dockage for competitors on the island? So you finish the race, if you are lucky you can get a few hours on the coal dock and then you are on your own to figure out where to dock your boat. 

So its a mac race with a turn and burn unless you were lucky enough to get a reservation near by. 

[Glenn McCarthy 200]

31 minutes ago, Lightfoot said:

I know there is another thread on this, but did everyone see the PH to Mac announcement that DNR rules at the mac island harbor has led them to cancel their reservation and thus not be able to offer dockage for competitors on the island? So you finish the race, if you are lucky you can get a few hours on the coal dock and then you are on your own to figure out where to dock your boat. 

So its a mac race with a turn and burn unless you were lucky enough to get a reservation near by. 

Anchor in the harbor, bring a dink.

 

[JoeO 114]

20 minutes ago, Glenn McCarthy said:

Anchor in the harbor, bring a dink.

Hah hah - Good one!

You don't even have a boat anymore, so moot point, eh?

[JoeO 114]

56 minutes ago, Lightfoot said:

I know there is another thread on this, but did everyone see the PH to Mac announcement that DNR rules at the mac island harbor has led them to cancel their reservation and thus not be able to offer dockage for competitors on the island? So you finish the race, if you are lucky you can get a few hours on the coal dock and then you are on your own to figure out where to dock your boat. 

So its a mac race with a turn and burn unless you were lucky enough to get a reservation near by. 

Well, it's more subtle than that:

" the DNR has finally sent the requirements that the race must comply with. After reviewing the contract, we have determined that it is impossible to comply. "

We don't know what these requirements were, only that BYC felt they were too onerous. Masks on the docks? One boat every other slip? Oh, poor babies!  It's not like they gave the entrants a voice in whether they wanted to comply.

At any rate, given that and the medical recommendations sent by the Fleet Surgeon of GPSC via the BYC Mac committee (which frankly I doubt many owners will enforce),, it's simply a farce to be holding this race.  Simple hubris and wanton disregard for public health on the part of BYC and some of the more gung-ho entrants.

[FastrSailr 10]

8 minutes ago, JoeO said:

Well, it's more subtle than that:

" the DNR has finally sent the requirements that the race must comply with. After reviewing the contract, we have determined that it is impossible to comply. "

We don't know what these requirements were, only that BYC felt they were too onerous. Masks on the docks? One boat every other slip? Oh, poor babies!  It's not like they gave the entrants a voice in whether they wanted to comply.

 At any rate, given that and the medical recommendations sent by the Fleet Surgeon of GPSC via the BYC Mac committee (which frankly I doubt many owners will enforce),, it's simply a farce to be holding this race.  Simple hubris and wanton disregard for public health on the part of BYC and some of the more gung-ho entrants.

Cool.  We won't miss you.  

[proOC 49]

It's not racing but we plan on taking that week and sailing to Beaver, Leland, and maybe another port during that race week.  We have the time off and getting slips at most marinas has not been an issue.  Could not imagine racing to Mackinac and NOT being able to dock, for at least one night.  As much as we all love the racing the turn and burn or even staying in Mackinac City or St. Ignace seems average.  

Stay healthy....good luck.

 

[Cal20sailor 2,335]

2 hours ago, proOC said:

It's not racing but we plan on taking that week and sailing to Beaver, Leland, and maybe another port during that race week.  We have the time off and getting slips at most marinas has not been an issue.  Could not imagine racing to Mackinac and NOT being able to dock, for at least one night.  As much as we all love the racing the turn and burn or even staying in Mackinac City or St. Ignace seems average.  

Stay healthy....good luck.

 

Could you imagine doing a Supermac?  I've done 3 (one solo) and they are great and don't see much difference between that and a turn/burn.  In each case, there is a more relaxed attitude on the second half as you can justify it as a delivery.   

[JoeO 114]

5 hours ago, FastrSailr said:

Cool.  We won't miss you.  

Yeah... wow... that hurts....

[JoeO 114]

5 hours ago, proOC said:

It's not racing but we plan on taking that week and sailing to Beaver, Leland, and maybe another port during that race week.

Take your time and visit the other islands around Beaver Island too (Garden, High, Whiskey, Squaw). There is a nice little harbor on Garden island you can anchor in, protected and picturesque. It's hard to imagine but many of these small island were inhabited up until the early 1900's - not just native Americans but also small logging and fishing communities (with schools, mills, stores, etc.). Squaw Island lighthouse was manned until 1928. It's fun, and interesting, to go ashore on these islands and try to imagine them 80-100 years ago, when they were populated, and part of a thriving Island archipelago dealing in lumber and fish. If you're into it the bass fishing in Garden island harbor is pretty good  - as a kid caught my first ever fish there after the 1970 Mac race.

Beaver itself has a unique history, not just as the site of the only Mormon "kingdom" in the US, but also the commercial fishery - dozens of fishing "tugs" used to be stationed there, fishing (gill nets, pound nets, hook lines) for perch, whitefish, lake trout around the islands. All gone now. But part of a rich Celtic culture that is deeply ingrained in the Island.  

Leland is now a cute "tourist" town with a re-built "Fishtown" that is a really an echo of it's former self. I feel privileged to have first visited it in ~1973, when it was still a bona-fide fishing community, and the nets being dried and mended on rotating frames outside the clapboard buildings were actually being used to haul in perch and whitefish.   After the requisite bloddy mary with the smoked chub at the Inn over the river, consider heading to the Manitous for a more off-the-beaten track adventure... how may ties we've sailed past, wondering what the islands themselves were really like? Go find out.

[stayoutofthemiddle 15]

25 minutes ago, JoeO said:

Take your time and visit the other islands around Beaver Island too (Garden, High, Whiskey, Squaw). There is a nice little harbor on Garden island you can anchor in, protected and picturesque. It's hard to imagine but many of these small island were inhabited up until the early 1900's - not just native Americans but also small logging and fishing communities (with schools, mills, stores, etc.). Squaw Island lighthouse was manned until 1928. It's fun, and interesting, to go ashore on these islands and try to imagine them 80-100 years ago, when they were populated, and part of a thriving Island archipelago dealing in lumber and fish. If you're into it the bass fishing in Garden island harbor is pretty good  - as a kid caught my first ever fish there after the 1970 Mac race.

Beaver itself has a unique history, not just as the site of the only Mormon "kingdom" in the US, but also the commercial fishery - dozens of fishing "tugs" used to be stationed there, fishing (gill nets, pound nets, hook lines) for perch, whitefish, lake trout around the islands. All gone now. But part of a rich Celtic culture that is deeply ingrained in the Island.  

Leland is now a cute "tourist" town with a re-built "Fishtown" that is a really an echo of it's former self. I feel privileged to have first visited it in ~1973, when it was still a bona-fide fishing community, and the nets being dried and mended on rotating frames outside the clapboard buildings were actually being used to haul in perch and whitefish.   After the requisite bloddy mary with the smoked chub at the Inn over the river, consider heading to the Manitous for a more off-the-beaten track adventure... how may ties we've sailed past, wondering what the islands themselves were really like? Go find out.

...this is my plan for the month of July!

[Looper 86]

I assume the Vanguards are the first racers of the season...  also included Markset Bots.

 

[Grinder 50]

Those are pretty cool.  Does CCYC own those?  I’m interested in the power supply, navigation & cost.   And lots of other questions.   
 

 

[stayoutofthemiddle 15]

49 minutes ago, Grinder said:

Those are pretty cool.  Does CCYC own those?  I’m interested in the power supply, navigation & cost.   And lots of other questions.   
 

 

Talk to the V15 fleet captain. She has the inside scoop on them. DM me if you want her contact.

[proOC 49]

We have a very good friend that lives on Beaver.  His daughter rents a house out during the summers and it seems it is available most of July right now.

FYI Municipal docks on Beaver are under water and not available.  They had to shut off electrical due to the water depths.   The 2 private marinas inside are available and have been dredged as well.  

[JohnMB 320]

1 hour ago, Looper said:

I assume the Vanguards are the first racers of the season...  also included Markset Bots.

 

We've had a few races up at Wilmette. Vayu took a swing by the start line last Sunday.

[ChiGuy 9]

2 hours ago, Grinder said:

Those are pretty cool.  Does CCYC own those?  I’m interested in the power supply, navigation & cost.   And lots of other questions.   
 

 

They're owned by MarkBot, but Sail21 is leasing these for the summer. They've done an event At Culver in Indiana, and should be doing several more.

[40048 5]

On 6/26/2020 at 1:14 PM, ChiGuy said:

They're owned by MarkBot, but Sail21 is leasing these for the summer. They've done an event At Culver in Indiana, and should be doing several more.

This may not have gotten around yet but they've upgraded and are now Sail22.

 

[Tenacity 5]

On 6/22/2020 at 1:04 PM, Tenacity said:

We're racing!  MORF Opener  Sunday June 28 11am

MORF will be racing on Sunday June 28.  This race is open to all with no fee.   SA7 and Government marks will be used.  The course is 14NM starting from SA7 toward the 4 mile crib.  It can be shortened to 8NM if conditions warrant.  10 MORF boats have already said they will be coming.  Everyone else in the community is invited.  

If you are not a MORF member sign-up by emailing your boat name, sail number and PHRF rating to morf@morfracing.org from an email address where we can reach you.  Communication will be via the MORF notice board morfracing.net/wpmocha/offical-notice-board/.  The NOR and SSIs will be available there shortly
 
Compliance with all state and local regulations are the responsibility of the Skipper.

 

 

We got the first MORF race of the season in yesterday, Sunday Jun, 29.  This was one of the first races on the lake this season.  The MORF Opener was open to all boats.  16 boats raced, 12 from the MORF fleet plus 4 others.  The course was 14 miles using SA7, the 4 mile and Harrison-Dever cribs and the Clemson Shoal buoy.  Winds were light at the start, about 6Kt from the NE making the 4 mile crib nearly upwind with flat seas.  The last upwind leg back to SA7 had the convergence zone dead on the rumline, spinakers to the East, Jibs to the West.   Spinakers were better.  The top 5 boats in fleet all finished within 4 minutes after 3 hours of racing.   Everyone seemed very happy to be out on the water racing.  A 6 week postponement is a bit much.

 

[ro! 23]

1 hour ago, Tenacity said:

 

We got the first MORF race of the season in yesterday, Sunday Jun, 29.  This was one of the first races on the lake this season.  The MORF Opener was open to all boats.  16 boats raced, 12 from the MORF fleet plus 4 others.  The course was 14 miles using SA7, the 4 mile and Harrison-Dever cribs and the Clemson Shoal buoy.  Winds were light at the start, about 6Kt from the NE making the 4 mile crib nearly upwind with flat seas.  The last upwind leg back to SA7 had the convergence zone dead on the rumline, spinakers to the East, Jibs to the West.   Spinakers were better.  The top 5 boats in fleet all finished within 4 minutes after 3 hours of racing.   Everyone seemed very happy to be out on the water racing.  A 6 week postponement is a bit much.

 

Michigan City had their first of the season Cruiser Class race three weeks ago, 12 boats came out to race, two who had never raced before,  zoom skippers meeting, temp marks, reachy race and everyone had fun, results when they got back to the slip and a zoom rum and tonic party.

We had to cancel our Fri evening Summer Solstice race when storms rolled thru, but we are expecting a big turnout for Saturdays Lady Skipper Race...boats will come out to race if you make it fun, and have a ‘don’t be a dick’ rule..

Of course it’s not real racing’ like you guys do in Chi Town...

[proOC 49]

14 hours ago, ro! said:

Michigan City had their first of the season Cruiser Class race three weeks ago, 12 boats came out to race, two who had never raced before,  zoom skippers meeting, temp marks, reachy race and everyone had fun, results when they got back to the slip and a zoom rum and tonic party.

We had to cancel our Fri evening Summer Solstice race when storms rolled thru, but we are expecting a big turnout for Saturdays Lady Skipper Race...boats will come out to race if you make it fun, and have a ‘don’t be a dick’ rule..

Of course it’s not real racing’ like you guys do in Chi Town...

Coop and the gang?   Not Kool....

Doing the Eastward Ho this year?

[Keysrock35 46]

In the era of social distancing, only 2 boats signed up for doublehanded in the CASRA July series? Anyone else? 

https://www.yachtscoring.com/emenu.cfm?eID=13060

[Lightfoot 16]

Anyone seen a official race schedule for the rest of this year? I’m trying to help get the scheduling done for the team I’m with but can’t locate anything official.

Most interested in: Beer Cans and PtP

[jerseyguy 1,218]

45 minutes ago, Lightfoot said:

Anyone seen a official race schedule for the rest of this year? I’m trying to help get the scheduling done for the team I’m with but can’t locate anything official.

Most interested in: Beer Cans and PtP

As far as I know, this is as official as it gets.

http://chicagosailracing.org/races

[ro! 23]

On 6/30/2020 at 12:21 PM, proOC said:

Coop and the gang?   Not Kool....

Doing the Eastward Ho this year?

Michigan City had their second Cruiser Class race on Saturday, the Commodores Cup where you must have a lady skipper on the helm with a rating bonus for kids on board. On a gorgeous day we had 17 boats come out to have fun, even in a dying breeze everyone finished, and many stayed out for social distance swimming and cocktails..

[Lightfoot 16]

21 hours ago, jerseyguy said:

As far as I know, this is as official as it gets.

http://chicagosailracing.org/races

Thanks, I thought I checked that recently and still saw a bunch of canceled races on the schedule. It looks up to date now. 

[ChiGuy 9]

Beercans are back at Columbia/CYC/Burnham starting July 15.

[Grinder 50]

If you drop some valuables in the drink: 

 

[40048 5]

6 hours ago, Grinder said:

If you drop some valuables in the drink: 

 

 

Buy an ad! (Is that something people still say on SA?)

 

[Glenn McCarthy 200]

Anyone else noticing how awesome the first day of today's cancelled Mac would be?

[Grinder 50]

If rather not talk about it? 

[Glenn McCarthy 200]

8 hours ago, Grinder said:

If rather not talk about it? 

Why?  Because it's picking up out of the South right now?

[Blizzard 9]

3 hours ago, Glenn McCarthy said:

Why?  Because it's picking up out of the South right now?

I went for a wonderful mountain bike ride near Frankfort today, and it wasn't enough to numb the pain.

What are the odds this weather will repeat next year?

[GABA 10]

On 7/18/2020 at 7:21 AM, Glenn McCarthy said:

Anyone else noticing how awesome the first day of today's cancelled Mac would be?

And judging by the carnage in the Hook, it sure went downhill in the night.

Just like the Mac would be.

[Trailerdan86 4]

Hi all, my wife and I recently purchased a Hunter 23.5 with trailer. 

We have a slip on Lake Michigan for the rest of the summer, but we’d rather sail on smaller lakes without the waves. What are some sailing lakes besides Lake Geneva we could consider? We’re coming from the SW burbs. 

Thanks for your help! 

[BayRacer 34]

I see WI residents added to Chicago's quarantine requirements effective July 31.  That essentially means WI boats and any WI sailors planning to crew on Chicago or Michigan based boats will be excluded from Verve Offshore next weekend.  I suppose one could stay on the boat to meet the "spirit" of the rule, but that would get crowded with 7 or 8 on your average 40 footer, and probably no one wants that much food and beer on board for a regatta.............

I don't know who or how much checking/enforcement is being done, but this appears to be the first bordering state with Lake Michigan access to the city (MO and IA were on list, but not many boats from there visiting the city).  Are hotels providing guest lists to the city and/or checking ID's as people come and go?  Police/Park District law enforcement or marinas checking state registrations?

I won't be sailing so not worried, and my employees who have to visit fall under essential worker definitions.  This theoretically will put a damper on Chicago residents vacationing in Door County, WI Dells or going to a WI lake cottage.

Sail and stay safe.

The case levels in Wisconsin exceed the threshold to become one of the states on the City of Chicago’s Emergency Travel Order. This requires individuals coming from Wisconsin to self-quarantine for 14 days upon arrival in Chicago. This order will go into effect Friday July 31 at 12:01AM.

The Order applies to individuals arriving in Chicago, while they are in the city. The city limits are defined in this interactive map. This does not include individuals who are commuting from Wisconsin to Chicago for the purpose of work; however, such commuters are subject to the requirements below. It does include individuals coming from Wisconsin to Chicago for non-work purposes or Chicago residents returning from Wisconsin counties unless they are deemed an essential worker.

[SailChiTown 3]

43 minutes ago, BayRacer said:

I see WI residents added to Chicago's quarantine requirements effective July 31.  That essentially means WI boats and any WI sailors planning to crew on Chicago or Michigan based boats will be excluded from Verve Offshore next weekend.  I suppose one could stay on the boat to meet the "spirit" of the rule, but that would get crowded with 7 or 8 on your average 40 footer, and probably no one wants that much food and beer on board for a regatta.............

I don't know who or how much checking/enforcement is being done, but this appears to be the first bordering state with Lake Michigan access to the city (MO and IA were on list, but not many boats from there visiting the city).  Are hotels providing guest lists to the city and/or checking ID's as people come and go?  Police/Park District law enforcement or marinas checking state registrations?

I won't be sailing so not worried, and my employees who have to visit fall under essential worker definitions.  This theoretically will put a damper on Chicago residents vacationing in Door County, WI Dells or going to a WI lake cottage.

Sail and stay safe.

The case levels in Wisconsin exceed the threshold to become one of the states on the City of Chicago’s Emergency Travel Order. This requires individuals coming from Wisconsin to self-quarantine for 14 days upon arrival in Chicago. This order will go into effect Friday July 31 at 12:01AM.

The Order applies to individuals arriving in Chicago, while they are in the city. The city limits are defined in this interactive map. This does not include individuals who are commuting from Wisconsin to Chicago for the purpose of work; however, such commuters are subject to the requirements below. It does include individuals coming from Wisconsin to Chicago for non-work purposes or Chicago residents returning from Wisconsin counties unless they are deemed an essential worker.

The map, clearly excludes ColYC and it's dock from the order. It includes CYC, but not their docks. I guess you are right, WI boats, come on down and stay on your boat!! Don't worry, we will bring you supplies and GrubHub and Saucy deliver to both clubs.

[Monkey 1,331]

15 minutes ago, SailChiTown said:

The map, clearly excludes ColYC and it's dock from the order. It includes CYC, but not their docks. I guess you are right, WI boats, come on down and stay on your boat!! Don't worry, we will bring you supplies and GrubHub and Saucy deliver to both clubs.

I like the way you think, but just don’t see that going over well. I’m more bummed because I’m pretty sure none of the Chicago Lightning fleet will be joining us in Sheboygan at the end of August now, although that’s a month away, so things might change before then. 

[Grinder 50]

Anyone doing Colors or Verve? 

[spring fever 8]

We raced COLORS/ColCup and plan on racing Verve. It was a great warm-up event, and the 88s had two new boats on the line! The RC was very patient in waiting for the breeze on Saturday then firing off two races. As it was my second time on a sailboat this season, it was hard to go from the hurry-up-and-wait to racing mode. The earlier start on Sunday made 3 races possible. 

Sore AF today. Should've taken my quarantine fitness more seriously.

Also testing out which masks are most comfortable for racing

 

[Tenacity 5]

MORF will be holding the  MORF Open - Sunday September 13 @ SA7  11am.  3 races all are welcome.  Details are at

http://morfracing.net/wpmocha/offical-notice-board/offical-notice-board

[JoeO 114]

Just a shout out to Steve Karstrand and the crews of Thunderbolt and Minister who interrupted their dockside end-of-season soiree to fish out a water-logged old sod from the DuSable watery environs - a  victim of an error in the dock-to-boat trajectory calculation. Must be time for a SW upgrade. "Missed it by THAT much!".

Otherwise it was a beautiful day for a daysail - 16-22 out of the N, mostly sunny, and warm enough for early October.

[Grinder 50]

Hope all is well, Joe.  
 

What a fucked up season & world. 
I hope all of our Chicago Area 3 sailors are well and that we will see each other in 2021.  

Stay safe, stay on corse and don’t wipe out.  
 

jim c.  

[JoeO 114]

1 hour ago, Grinder said:

Hope all is well, Joe. 

Nothing bruised but my ego! ;-)

Well, we can all look forward to 2021 being better than 2020 - I mean, it has to, right?  Hopefully we will be closer to the old normal then, than we are now.

 

P.S. As a former IOR combatant, I can say that wipeouts at least did give you something to talk about, and made for great photo ops!

[stayoutofthemiddle 15]

14 hours ago, Grinder said:

Hope all is well, Joe.  
 

What a fucked up season & world. 
I hope all of our Chicago Area 3 sailors are well and that we will see each other in 2021.  

Stay safe, stay on corse and don’t wipe out.  
 

jim c.  

2021 should be a good year...

Here are results from 20 years ago from 2000 Tri-State for a good laugh! Some old familiar names in here:

32nd Chicago-St. Joseph Race      PHRF 1
          ******************************FINAL*************************          

Race Scoring Data - Start Date: 09/01/00 Start Time: 19:30:00    Race Distance:    49.4 Course Flag:  
 
Sail No. Rating Yacht Name           Type Len Owner                Club    Finish    Elapsed   Allowance Corrected  Sec  Flt  Note
-------- ------ -------------------- ---- --- -------------------- ----- ----------  --------- --------- ---------  ---  ---  -----
   28115   -63  Mirage               SNC70 68 Santa Cruise Group   CYC   1: 1:41:16   6:11:16  - 0:51:52   7: 3: 8   1     1      
   18970   -57  Nitemare             S/C70 68 Neill, Tom           CYC   1: 1:53:11   6:23:11  - 0:46:56   7:10: 7   2     2      
      54   -72  Blondie              SC70  68 Corbett/Sammann      MCYC  1: 1:42:22   6:12:22  - 0:59:17   7:11:39   3     4      
   87666   -69  Thirsty Tiger        SNC70 68 D'Ottavio, Albert    CYC   1: 1:49:45   6:19:45  - 0:56:49   7:16:34   4     5      
   38006    24  Eagle                Syd38 38 O'Neill Jerry/Shawn  CYC   1: 3:18:59   7:48:59    0:19:46   7:29:13   5     8      
   42440    15  Criterion            Sover 50 Mitchell, Roger      CYC   1: 3:20:16   7:50:16    0:12:21   7:37:55   6    13      
      47    -9  goblin.com           Tripp 47 Verb,R/Thomas, L     CYC   1: 3: 2:44   7:32:44  - 0: 7:25   7:40: 9   7    15      
   51477     3  Coup d'etat          Bn407 47 Ellasser, Ron/Jerri  CYC   1: 3:17:24   7:47:24    0: 2:28   7:44:56   8    21      
   38007    24  Serenissima          Syd38 38 Munden, Robin        BPYC  1: 3:40:59   8:10:59    0:19:46   7:51:13   9    23      
   50136    24  Salsa                J130  43 Stott, Pete          CYC   1: 3:41:59   8:11:59    0:19:46   7:52:13  10    24      
   51356    -6  Jeannine 3           J125  41 Roeser, Jack         COL   1: 3:24:10   7:54:10  - 0: 4:56   7:59: 6  11    25      
     411    15  Airwaves             CM    39 Smirl, Dale          JPYC  1: 3:43:14   8:13:14    0:12:21   8: 0:53  12    26      
   38005    24  Painkiller 4         Syd38 39 Martin, Alice O.     COL   1: 3:54:29   8:24:29    0:19:46   8: 4:43  13    27      
   51354     0  J. Swift             Schok 40 Nolan, Ronald        COL   1: 3:54:16   8:24:16    0: 0: 0   8:24:16  14    31      
       3    51  Windancer            MUM30 30 Tollefson, Bob       COL   1: 5:19:23   9:49:23    0:41:59   9: 7:24  15    56      
     377    81  Gonzo                J105  34 Ed Reagan/Ken Ganch  COL   1: 7: 7:11  11:37:11    1: 6:41  10:30:30  16    75      
     168   -21  Viking IV            Oys68 68 Fritz Duda/Papanek   CYC   1: 7:42:54  12:12:54  - 0:17:17  12:30:11  17    96      
   50474    51  Don Quixote          J120  40 Don, Robert          WYC                                                       DNC  
   50750   -15  Success              Tripp 47 Greenwald, Michael   CYC                                                       DNC  





32nd Chicago-St. Joseph Race      PHRF 2
          ******************************FINAL*************************          
Race Scoring Data - Start Date: 09/01/00 Start Time: 19:20:00    Race Distance:    49.4 Course Flag:  
 Sail No. Rating Yacht Name           Type Len Owner                Club    Finish    Elapsed   Allowance Corrected  Sec  Flt  Note
-------- ------ -------------------- ---- --- -------------------- ----- ----------  --------- --------- ---------  ---  ---  -----
   42252    63  Spitfire             Frk39 39 J.K & Erik Hellquist WYC   1: 3:41:10   8:21:10    0:51:52   7:29:18   1     9      
   40625    60  Regardless           Nmark 39 Taylor, S./Gullo, D. CYC   1: 3:40:27   8:20:27    0:49:24   7:31: 3   2    10      
   41940    69  Eagle's Wings        Frers 41 Gottwald, John J.    COL   1: 3:51:12   8:31:12    0:56:49   7:34:23   3    11      
    5165    66  Caprice              C&C43 43 Elliott,S/Miller,J   COL   1: 3:55:36   8:35:36    0:54:20   7:41:16   4    16      
   32641    63  Folie A Deux         N/M41 41 Kwiat, Larry T.      COL   1: 3:53:18   8:33:18    0:51:52   7:41:26   5    17      
   42492    69  Michela              C&C37 39 Gambetta, Miguel     MCYC  1: 3:59: 9   8:39: 9    0:56:49   7:42:20   6    18      
   50900    66  Wooton2              Sabre 40 Smith, William H.    CYC   1: 3:57:34   8:37:34    0:54:20   7:43:14   7    19      
   50498    66  Big Meanie           Ben42 42 Prendergast,Jim/Rich CYC   1: 4: 0:26   8:40:26    0:54:20   7:46: 6   8    22      
   51170    54  Tsunami              Bn407 39 Hayes, Donald        BPYC  1: 4:44: 5   9:24: 5    0:44:28   8:39:37   9    39      
   51377    54  Vayu                 Bn407 39 Buzil, Ron           CCYC  1: 4:47:49   9:27:49    0:44:28   8:43:21  10    41      
    9449    54  Majic                Bn407 39 Ruley, Dorsey        CYC                                                       DNC  
   33550    60  Quick Willy          JN40  40 Holleman, Gary       N/A                                                       DNF  
   51146    54  La Tempete           Bn407 39 Weber, Tom & Deb     BPYC                                                      DNC  
   77790    60  Ripple               N/M   41 Rafson, Robert       CCYC  1: 5:13:45   9:53:45    0:49:24   9: 4:21            DNE  
32nd Chicago-St. Joseph Race      PHRF 3
          ******************************FINAL*************************          
Race Scoring Data - Start Date: 09/01/00 Start Time: 19:10:00    Race Distance:    49.4 Course Flag:  
 Sail No. Rating Yacht Name           Type Len Owner                Club    Finish    Elapsed   Allowance Corrected  Sec  Flt  Note
-------- ------ -------------------- ---- --- -------------------- ----- ----------  --------- --------- ---------  ---  ---  -----
   32705    78  Outrageous           Ben42 42 Comeaux, Jeff/Carol  CYC   1: 3:32:33   8:22:33    1: 4:13   7:18:20   1     6      
   83088    96  Fin-Esse             Sir38 38 McMillian, Alan C.   CYC   1: 3:57:44   8:47:44    1:19: 2   7:28:42   2     7      
   16643    87  Siren Song           Pet40 40 Merlin, Tom          CYC   1: 3:57: 6   8:47: 6    1:11:38   7:35:28   3    12      
   15002    78  Stars & Stripes      NM39  39 Bailey, Stan         COL   1: 3:54: 4   8:44: 4    1: 4:13   7:39:51   4    14      
   20630    78  Fury                 C&C42 42 Powell, Gary         CYC   1: 3:58:43   8:48:43    1: 4:13   7:44:30   5    20      
     104    90  Vytis                J-105 35 Petkus, Tomas        BPYC  1: 4:46:31   9:36:31    1:14: 6   8:22:25   6    29      
   25199    93  Assassin             Sovrl 33 Sansom, R./Burton, R COL   1: 4:49:22   9:39:22    1:16:34   8:22:48   7    30      
    6204    87  Rush                 N/M36 36 Alisch, Jeff         STJ   1: 4:48: 9   9:38: 9    1:11:38   8:26:31   8    32      
   50638    81  Pronto II            J/105 34 Edman, Tom & Marilyn JPYC  1: 4:48:25   9:38:25    1: 6:41   8:31:44   9    33      
   26605    87  Ozymandias           NA40  40 Frey, Andrew         CCYC  1: 4:53:41   9:43:41    1:11:38   8:32: 3  10    34      
   40742    81  CanCan               Ben42 42 Boltz, Clemens       COL   1: 4:51:11   9:41:11    1: 6:41   8:34:30  11    35      
   43781    75  Draco                Tripp 33 Vanderpoel, Michael  CYC   1: 4:47:42   9:37:42    1: 1:45   8:35:57  12    37      
   41625    72  Sorcerer             shk35 35 Hetherington, Irv    COL   1: 4:50:59   9:40:59    0:59:17   8:41:42  13    40      
   63350    81  Phantom              Ben42 42 Rickelman, Thomas E. COL   1: 5: 3:22   9:53:22    1: 6:41   8:46:41  14    43      
   32010    87  Moody Blue           NM/36 36 Barton, William      STJ   1: 5:11:27  10: 1:27    1:11:38   8:49:49  15    45      
   50798    90  Certainly            J110  36 Meyer, Donald E.     COL   1: 5:15: 4  10: 5: 4    1:14: 6   8:50:58  16    46      
   42521    72  Novocain             T35   35 Bunger, Gary         COL   1: 5: 3:41   9:53:41    0:59:17   8:54:24  17    51      
   42234    81  Serenity             Ben42 42 Marks, J./Hirsch, A. CYC   1: 5:11:28  10: 1:28    1: 6:41   8:54:47  18    52      
   50326    75  Geronimo             ER33  33 Forney,B./D. Rearick MCYC  1: 5:13:29  10: 3:29    1: 1:45   9: 1:44  19    54      
   50993    87  Wild Wind            Ben46 46 Conwell, Thomas      WYC   1: 5:33:35  10:23:35    1:11:38   9:11:57  20    59      
   32611    78  Mirage               Ben42 42 Boyle, John & Gerry  COL   1: 5:29: 9  10:19: 9    1: 4:13   9:14:56  21    60      
   73017    90  Maskwa               Exprs 35 Waller, Donald P.    BPYC  1: 5:39:53  10:29:53    1:14: 6   9:15:47  22    61      
   42998    72  Captain Blood        Schok 35 Locke, Bob & Judee   BPYC  1: 5:26:58  10:16:58    0:59:17   9:17:41  23    63      
   42747    84  Scheherezade         Lex34 34 Alwattar/Coppleson   CYC   1: 5:53:10  10:43:10    1: 9:10   9:34: 0  24    67      
   50628    75  Feeling Free II      cc37  40 Merriman, Roger      CCYC  1: 5:52:55  10:42:55    1: 1:45   9:41:10  25    69      
   33951    81  Lionheart            Ben42 42 Zeman/Wesolek/McGoug CYC                                                       DNC  
   42652    87  Overdraft            Bn405 40 Scott, Todd          AYC                                                       DNC  
   50988    81  Andiamo              J/105 34 Juel, Craig & Norma  MCYC                                                      RET  
   63043    81  Kiaora               Ben42 42 Carroll, Ronald      COL                                                       DNC  

32nd Chicago-St. Joseph Race      PHRF 4
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Race Scoring Data - Start Date: 09/01/00 Start Time: 19:00:00    Race Distance:    49.4 Course Flag:  
 
Sail No. Rating Yacht Name           Type Len Owner                Club    Finish    Elapsed   Allowance Corrected  Sec  Flt  Note
-------- ------ -------------------- ---- --- -------------------- ----- ----------  --------- --------- ---------  ---  ---  -----
   50971   102  Lucky Comet          Comar 42 Giampoli, Frank      BPYC  1: 3:34:53   8:34:53    1:23:59   7:10:54   1     3      
   32022   111  Caress               Erics 36 Weglarz, Jon & Mark  COL   1: 4:50:51   9:50:51    1:31:23   8:19:28   2    28      
   42428    99  My Whim              Huntr 37 O'Malley, William    BPYC  1: 4:58: 8   9:58: 8    1:21:31   8:36:37   3    38      
   31796   111  Wave Length          Erics 36 Norbut, Jerry E.     MORF  1: 5:19: 4  10:19: 4    1:31:23   8:47:41   4    44      
   40731   102  Runaway              Tarta 40 Gorey, Tom           CCYC  1: 5:15:11  10:15:11    1:23:59   8:51:12   5    47      
   26660   117  Wind Quest           C&C38 38 Phelps, Bob          CYC   1: 5:28: 3  10:28: 3    1:36:20   8:51:43   6    48      
   34435   117  Wings                C&C35 35 Bowker, Anthony      COL   1: 5:28:18  10:28:18    1:36:20   8:51:58   7    49      
   33912   117  Wave Dancer          Sabre 36 Sklar, Michael       CYC   1: 5:29: 7  10:29: 7    1:36:20   8:52:47   8    50      
   32275   117  Free Agent           J29   29 Depaepe, Miles       MORF  1: 5:35:11  10:35:11    1:36:20   8:58:51   9    53      
    6525   117  Cahoots              Pet34 34 Vigil, Thomas R.     CYC   1: 5:44:24  10:44:24    1:36:20   9: 8: 4  10    57      
   20442   114  Dandelion            Herit 37 Jacobs, Tom          STJ   1: 5:43:25  10:43:25    1:33:52   9: 9:33  11    58      
   43807   114  Spirit Of Adventure  C&C37 37 Gustman, David       SSYC  1: 5:57: 5  10:57: 5    1:33:52   9:23:13  12    65      
   54951   105  Tenacity             Ols34 34 O'Connell/Clark/Hood BPYC  1: 5:57:54  10:57:54    1:26:27   9:31:27  13    66      
   25255   108  Jack-A-Roe           Olsn  30 Dybas, John          JPYC  1: 6:12:51  11:12:51    1:28:55   9:43:56  14    70      
   41311   108  Mystified            Frers 33 McCluskey, Thom      BPYC  1: 6:52:49  11:52:49    1:28:55  10:23:54  15    73      
   51057   108  Das Boot             Bentu 36 Muller, Jay & Cindy  COL   1: 7: 6:52  12: 6:52    1:28:55  10:37:57  16    76      
   87222   114  Glass Slipper        Capri 30 Bakowski, Marek      CCYC  1: 7:24:26  12:24:26    1:33:52  10:50:34  17    78      
   36012   108  Most Wanted          NY36  36 Janik, James         CCYC  1: 8:25:38  13:25:38    1:28:55  11:56:43  18    93      
   50924   102  Zaza Colada          Huntr 37 Clairardin, Xavier   N/A   1: 9: 3:10  14: 3:10    1:23:59  12:39:11  19    97      
   22955   117  Stealth              C&C38 37 Francissen, Jim      CYC                                                       DNC  
   51294   126  Toucan               Catal 38 Craig/Day Olney      ANYC                                                      DNF  


32nd Chicago-St. Joseph Race      PHRF 5
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Race Scoring Data - Start Date: 09/01/00 Start Time: 18:50:00    Race Distance:    49.4 Course Flag:  
 
Sail No. Rating Yacht Name           Type Len Owner                Club    Finish    Elapsed   Allowance Corrected  Sec  Flt  Note
-------- ------ -------------------- ---- --- -------------------- ----- ----------  --------- --------- ---------  ---  ---  -----
    6869   135  Cynthia              Morgn 41 DeVries, James       STJ   1: 5:16:47  10:26:47    1:51: 9   8:35:38   1    36      
   41037   123  Sneak Attack         J34   34 Neal, John           MCYC  1: 5:33:42  10:43:42    1:41:16   9: 2:26   2    55      
    6710   135  Kutty's Ark          Pears 36 McGinnis/Morrissey   COL   1: 5:58:39  11: 8:39    1:51: 9   9:17:30   3    62      
   26142   129  Accord               C&C36 36 Hansmann/Dobius      COL   1: 6:13:55  11:23:55    1:46:13   9:37:42   4    68      
   15171   132  Kahuna               S29.1 30 Thompson, Loren      BPYC  1: 6:40:41  11:50:41    1:48:41  10: 2: 0   5    72      
   41451   135  Stray Mark           T34-2 34 Smith, Ken & Donna   MORF  1: 7:59:44  13: 9:44    1:51: 9  11:18:35   6    82      
   51076   135  Time Out             Huntr 35 Kroll, Mark S.       COL   1: 8:19: 0  13:29: 0    1:51: 9  11:37:51   7    86      
   43697   132  Escape               C&C   33 Thomas M. Mikos      HYC   1: 8:18: 0  13:28: 0    1:48:41  11:39:19   8    88      
   41587   126  Quicksilver          Laser 28 Dorenbos, Peter      CCYC  1: 8:13:38  13:23:38    1:43:44  11:39:54   9    89      
   50447   135  Perfect Lady         T-34  34 Vargish, Thomas      JPYC  1: 8:31: 0  13:41: 0    1:51: 9  11:49:51  10    90      
   51018   129  Ruby Tuesday         Bentu 35 Nelson, Dave         COL   1: 8:35:42  13:45:42    1:46:13  11:59:29  11    94      
    NONE   120  Lively Romp          Morgn 38 Oberle, Thomas C.    MCYC                                                      DNC  
   40884   126  Latest Trick         Olsen 30 Schneider, Nicholas  JPYC                                                      DNC  




32nd Chicago-St. Joseph Race      PHRF 6
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 Race Scoring Data - Start Date: 09/01/00 Start Time: 18:40:00    Race Distance:    49.4 Course Flag:  
 
Sail No. Rating Yacht Name           Type Len Owner                Club    Finish    Elapsed   Allowance Corrected  Sec  Flt  Note
-------- ------ -------------------- ---- --- -------------------- ----- ----------  --------- --------- ---------  ---  ---  -----
   41312   141  The Cruzer           O'Day 35 Cruz, Jairo & Maria  JPYC  1: 5:22:45  10:42:45    1:56: 5   8:46:40   1    42      
   30789   138  Painkiller           J-30  30 Woods, Larry         COL   1: 5:52:16  11:12:16    1:53:37   9:18:39   2    64      
   15329   144  Firecracker          Erc34 34 Gottwald, John\Jane  BPYC  1: 7: 8:12  12:28:12    1:58:34  10:29:38   3    74      
   26219   138  Circus               J-30  30 Bird/Horn            COL   1: 7:23:54  12:43:54    1:53:37  10:50:17   4    77      
     358   138  Marijke              J-30  30 Veersma, Jon         STJ   1: 7:24:48  12:44:48    1:53:37  10:51:11   5    79      
     243   138  Awesome              J30   30 Smith, Bill & Vivian MORF  1: 7:43:47  13: 3:47    1:53:37  11:10:10   6    80      
   26037   150  Rogue                Eric  34 Hoswell, Jeff        JPYC  1: 7:58: 0  13:18: 0    2: 3:30  11:14:30   7    81      
   50662   156  Karizmaddie          Catal 32 Reynolds, Patrick    HYC   1: 8:41:50  14: 1:50    2: 8:26  11:53:24   8    92      
   26004   144  Dragon Lady          C&C34 34 Kalinsky, Raymond    BPYC  1: 8:44:30  14: 4:30    1:58:34  12: 5:56   9    95      
   16673   150  Celestial            C&C33 33 Kehoe, B./Steele, A  MCYC                                                      DNC  


32nd Chicago-St. Joseph Race      PHRF 7
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Race Scoring Data - Start Date: 09/01/00 Start Time: 18:30:00    Race Distance:    49.4 Course Flag:  
 
Sail No. Rating Yacht Name           Type Len Owner                Club    Finish    Elapsed   Allowance Corrected  Sec  Flt  Note
-------- ------ -------------------- ---- --- -------------------- ----- ----------  --------- --------- ---------  ---  ---  -----
    6649   159  Providence           Eric  35 Miarecki, Gerald     CYC   1: 6:28:50  11:58:50    2:10:55   9:47:55   1    71      
   26277   174  Aguila               chrsl 27 Gignac, James A.     CCYC  1: 8:20:19  13:50:19    2:23:16  11:27: 3   2    83      
   42293   189  DeDa's Toy           Cal   31 Graves, Theodore L.  JPYC  1: 8:35:14  14: 5:14    2:35:37  11:29:37   3    84      
   15463   165  Radiance             Trtn  30 White, Benjamin      CCYC  1: 8:17:50  13:47:50    2:15:51  11:31:59   4    85      
   32789   159  Gadzooks             Capo  26 Kall, S./Depel, T.   CCYC  1: 8:19:57  13:49:57    2:10:55  11:39: 2   5    87      
   16745   165  Zanjero              SanJn 30 Bock, George E.      STJ   1: 8:37: 0  14: 7: 0    2:15:51  11:51: 9   6    91      
     E90   216  GAL                  Colum 29 Moelter, Charles B.  CCYC                                                      DNF  
     113   186  Lidzia II            Persn 38 Laucius, Arvydas     CCYC                                                      DNC  
   51337   180  Teophilia            Cre37 37 Luken, Martin        CYC                                                       DNC  

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Damn.  Memory lane is right.