stayoutofthemiddle 5 #5201 Posted June 16, 2020 11 hours ago, stayoutofthemiddle said: This is what will drive the racing discussion in Chicago... Boat Length Max. Capacity (Including kids < 17 years old) Max. # of Adults <25 feet 6 4 26-36 feet 8 6 >36 feet 10 8 ....so back to the crew limits. Anyone want to take a stab about this this will impact racing? J/111 and the big odd ball boats certainly wouldn't be able to hike flat... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 3,811 #5202 Posted June 16, 2020 20 minutes ago, stayoutofthemiddle said: ....so back to the crew limits. Anyone want to take a stab about this this will impact racing? J/111 and the big odd ball boats certainly wouldn't be able to hike flat... reef early and often Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grinder 50 #5203 Posted June 16, 2020 There is some distance race being run out of Harbor Springs for the TP52 fleet. Around Beaver & Manitous. Who’s got the skinny? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeO 108 #5204 Posted June 16, 2020 2 hours ago, stayoutofthemiddle said: ....so back to the crew limits. Anyone want to take a stab about this this will impact racing? J/111 and the big odd ball boats certainly wouldn't be able to hike flat... At first blush, it means that if you can only take say 8 adults on a F40, then they all have to be key, experienced players, especially in challenging condiutions - no room for "learning" or "developmental" positions or "bring a friend who may like racing". Hopefully one can find a couple under 18's that know their way around and bring the total up to ten. Maybe a side effect is getting more younger (high school) kids out there. On something bigger (TP52s, etc.) it will definitely be a challenge both in manuevers and in rail meat. Which means not sailing at 100%, whereas smaller boats may be able to. This leads to the possibility that in handicap situation in a class that has say 40-footers up to 70-footers, the smaller boats will haev a built-in advantage. Now let's go appeal our 2020 LMPHRF handicap since we can't sail at "full strength"! All for a PHRF race! One thing that CASRA/YCs/Class Associations will have to come to grips with - do they put in their NOR/SIs some statement to the effect that "Exceeding the crew limitation imposed by the State of IL will not be grounds for protest. This does not affect protests for violations of crew limitations imposed by Class or Rating/Handicap Rules"? Or do they open themselves up to competitors policing this (State of IL compliance)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cal20sailor 2,221 #5205 Posted June 16, 2020 14 minutes ago, JoeO said: At first blush, it means that if you can only take say 8 adults on a F40, then they all have to be key, experienced players, especially in challenging condiutions - no room for "learning" or "developmental" positions or "bring a friend who may like racing". Hopefully one can find a couple under 18's that know their way around and bring the total up to ten. Maybe a side effect is getting more younger (high school) kids out there. On something bigger (TP52s, etc.) it will definitely be a challenge both in manuevers and in rail meat. Which means not sailing at 100%, whereas smaller boats may be able to. This leads to the possibility that in handicap situation in a class that has say 40-footers up to 70-footers, the smaller boats will haev a built-in advantage. Now let's go appeal our 2020 LMPHRF handicap since we can't sail at "full strength"! All for a PHRF race! One thing that CASRA/YCs/Class Associations will have to come to grips with - do they put in their NOR/SIs some statement to the effect that "Exceeding the crew limitation imposed by the State of IL will not be grounds for protest. This does not affect protests for violations of crew limitations imposed by Class or Rating/Handicap Rules"? Or do they open themselves up to competitors policing this (State of IL compliance)? An SC70 is easily sailed by 8 competent sailors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hrothgar 97 #5206 Posted June 16, 2020 2 hours ago, stayoutofthemiddle said: ....so back to the crew limits. Anyone want to take a stab about this this will impact racing? J/111 and the big odd ball boats certainly wouldn't be able to hike flat... J/111 are fine with 8. That is the typical crew number based on the one design weight limit. We usually sail with 7 because I am fat. Hroth 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cal20sailor 2,221 #5207 Posted June 16, 2020 2 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said: reef early and often And live with the astertisk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 3,811 #5208 Posted June 16, 2020 If barry bonds can, bora can! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeO 108 #5209 Posted June 16, 2020 47 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said: An SC70 is easily sailed by 8 competent sailors. Whaddabout railmeat in 20+ ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMB 298 #5210 Posted June 16, 2020 25 minutes ago, JoeO said: Whaddabout railmeat in 20+ ? Oh ffs, who gives a crap, if you have to give up the small number of 20+ race days that Chicago gets in June/Aug that's not going to be the worst thing that happened this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeO 108 #5211 Posted June 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, JohnMB said: Oh ffs, who gives a crap, if you have to give up the small number of 20+ race days that Chicago gets in June/Aug that's not going to be the worst thing that happened this year. I'm not saying I do. I'm more than happy to go out and race with whatever we get dealt - this isn't the "Worlds' or what not, its Chicago PHRF/OD racing. Big deal. if it's blowing 18-20+ and we're sailing with 8, we'll ajusrt My question was more theoretical - as to whether C20S didn't think the extra rail meat of 4-6 folk on an SC70 was noticeable in breeze, or how much it might matter. My thinking says "some". Buddahh knows that when going around the top mark on many boats, getting peeple off the rail too early in anticipation of the set is a loser move in a tight clsss. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
40048 5 #5212 Posted June 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Cal20sailor said: An SC70 is easily sailed by 8 competent sailors. I'll get my popcorn going now. If anyone actually tried it, it would be beyond entertaining. As long as no one gets hurt. Which would be a distinct possibility I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grinder 50 #5213 Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, 40048 said: I'll get my popcorn going now. If anyone actually tried it, it would be beyond entertaining. As long as no one gets hurt. Which would be a distinct possibility I think. Distance racing-yes. Grand Illusion did the 2011 Transpac with 8. We did it on an Andrews 68 (same boat) with 11. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cal20sailor 2,221 #5214 Posted June 17, 2020 10 hours ago, JoeO said: I'm not saying I do. I'm more than happy to go out and race with whatever we get dealt - this isn't the "Worlds' or what not, its Chicago PHRF/OD racing. Big deal. if it's blowing 18-20+ and we're sailing with 8, we'll ajusrt My question was more theoretical - as to whether C20S didn't think the extra rail meat of 4-6 folk on an SC70 was noticeable in breeze, or how much it might matter. My thinking says "some". Buddahh knows that when going around the top mark on many boats, getting peeple off the rail too early in anticipation of the set is a loser move in a tight clsss. I forget his name but he ran Holua for a few years but he set a scale on the dock and the owner RAF'ed Of course the rail meat mattered, having to explain shit to a nuclear physicist is trying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeO 108 #5215 Posted June 17, 2020 6 hours ago, Cal20sailor said: Of course the rail meat mattered, having to explain shit to a nuclear physicist is trying. I knew I could get it out of you! ;-) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
40048 5 #5216 Posted June 17, 2020 CASRA: LET’S GET RACING! JUNE 17, 2020 As many of you know, the Chicago Harbors will open this coming Monday, June 22nd. We are excited to tell you that the first CASRA race has been scheduled for Sunday, July 5th, which will mark the beginning of CASRA’s new Social Distancing Series. We’ll have options available for short-handed crews, casual sailors, and everyone else looking to have fun on the water. There will be something for everyone! Watch for race documents, entry portals, and series race dates next week. We look forward to seeing you on the water soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dcbsheb 16 #5217 Posted June 18, 2020 On 6/16/2020 at 6:59 PM, Grinder said: Distance racing-yes. Grand Illusion did the 2011 Transpac with 8. We did it on an Andrews 68 (same boat) with 11. I'm pretty sure most SC 70's go to Hawaii with 8 crew on board. It wouldn't too difficult to sail a sled with 8 competent people around a buoy course against a mixed fleet of club racers. Different approach to things, but not too difficult. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
40048 5 #5218 Posted June 18, 2020 17 minutes ago, dcbsheb said: I'm pretty sure most SC 70's go to Hawaii with 8 crew on board. It wouldn't too difficult to sail a sled with 8 competent people around a buoy course against a mixed fleet of club racers. Different approach to things, but not too difficult. I'd be curious to know what you envision the 8 positions would be especially when going around marks and gybing. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dcbsheb 16 #5219 Posted June 18, 2020 1 hour ago, 40048 said: I'd be curious to know what you envision the 8 positions would be especially when going around marks and gybing. Do you need me to draw you a diagram? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fingerbang 15 #5220 Posted June 18, 2020 since you are offering, sure....thanks!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
40048 5 #5221 Posted June 18, 2020 54 minutes ago, dcbsheb said: Do you need me to draw you a diagram? Yes please Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monkey 1,195 #5222 Posted June 18, 2020 1 hour ago, 40048 said: Yes please 1: helm 2: spin trim 3: main 4: guy trim 5: pit 6: topping lift/fore guy 7: bow 8: runners much like DCBSheb, been there, done that. Hell, we flew kites on deliveries with only two on deck at a time. (4 on board) I’m not saying it’s fast, but know for a fact it’s manageable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gangbusters 109 #5223 Posted June 18, 2020 51 minutes ago, Monkey said: 1: helm 2: spin trim 3: main 4: guy trim 5: pit 6: topping lift/fore guy 7: bow 8: runners much like DCBSheb, been there, done that. Hell, we flew kites on deliveries with only two on deck at a time. (4 on board) I’m not saying it’s fast, but know for a fact it’s manageable. My first Solo Mac was with a boat with runners and a symmetrical kite, I did all those jobs. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightfoot 11 #5224 Posted June 19, 2020 The SC’s I’ve raced on so the macs with 16. 8 per watch. So I agree, you can do any maneuver with 8. that said, I wouldn’t bouy race with eight... unless everyone except the driver is under 20 and fitness freaks. And even then only Saturday not Sunday. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dcbsheb 16 #5225 Posted June 19, 2020 21 hours ago, 40048 said: Yes please 19 hours ago, Monkey said: 1: helm 2: spin trim 3: main 4: guy trim 5: pit 6: topping lift/fore guy 7: bow 8: runners much like DCBSheb, been there, done that. Hell, we flew kites on deliveries with only two on deck at a time. (4 on board) I’m not saying it’s fast, but know for a fact it’s manageable. Make sense now? I started drawing a diagram & realized that I can't draw. What Monkey said is pretty damn close. Not trying to be the cool kid or a tough guy. I'm also not talking about closed-course racing against fully crewed SC-70's. Just making a point that it's not as hard as one might think, especially once A-sails came along. Turning a leeward mark takes time & skilled coordination, but on a distance race, you have the time to set up for a jibe, sail change, etc. so that 8 people is more than enough. Like I said, they go to Hawaii with 8 all the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
REW 39 #5226 Posted June 19, 2020 I remember when Bill Martin and Dave Irish used to double hand Stripes in the Huron Doublehanded Challenge about 20 years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayoutofthemiddle 5 #5227 Posted June 19, 2020 23 hours ago, Lightfoot said: The SC’s I’ve raced on so the macs with 16. 8 per watch. So I agree, you can do any maneuver with 8. that said, I wouldn’t bouy race with eight... unless everyone except the driver is under 20 and fitness freaks. And even then only Saturday not Sunday. 16?!!! Why. You don't need a fully second shift. Just drop 3 off every 4 hours. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightfoot 11 #5228 Posted June 20, 2020 13 hours ago, stayoutofthemiddle said: 16?!!! Why. You don't need a fully second shift. Just drop 3 off every 4 hours. I agree, but I’m not going to explain The reason why any further besides it was complicated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grinder 50 #5229 Posted June 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Lightfoot said: I agree, but I’m not going to explain The reason why any further besides it was complicated. *family Understood. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
40048 5 #5230 Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/19/2020 at 1:01 PM, dcbsheb said: Make sense now? I started drawing a diagram & realized that I can't draw. What Monkey said is pretty damn close. Not trying to be the cool kid or a tough guy. I'm also not talking about closed-course racing against fully crewed SC-70's. Just making a point that it's not as hard as one might think, especially once A-sails came along. Turning a leeward mark takes time & skilled coordination, but on a distance race, you have the time to set up for a jibe, sail change, etc. so that 8 people is more than enough. Like I said, they go to Hawaii with 8 all the time. Where's your mast? Where are your grinders? Who is flaking the genoa so it's ready to go up at the bottom? Who is pulling up the new genoa for a change? Who is pulling the kite into the boat at the bottom? You got one guy doing main? How's that work when it's blowing 20 and it's time to gybe? Sorry but there's just lots of holes that you aren't able to fill with this plan. I agree with everyone who is saying that you can distance race very short-handed. Lots of time to plan. Lots of time between maneuvers. And you can add an auto-helm and drop one more person. BUT, getting around a typical Chicago 1.5-mile-leg buoy race is a whole different animal. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeO 108 #5231 Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/19/2020 at 1:01 PM, dcbsheb said: I'm also not talking about closed-course racing against fully crewed SC-70's. Just making a point that it's not as hard as one might think, especially once A-sails came along. But we were talking about closed-course racing - at least that is the context in which I originally brought it up (thinking of Verve cup in August, if it happens). We all know that for TP or distance racing, you can do it with fewer as you have time to plan, etc. Lots to do as 40048 points out - even on a lowly 40 footer, where even I in my physical decrepitude do not need an (additional) grinder on the main, nor a pedestal jockey to trim jib/afterguy/kite, or a runner winch spinner. On a wholly unrelated note, looks like the BYC Mac is becoming a bit of a farce: https://www.bycmack.com/raceupdates.cfm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tenacity 3 #5232 Posted June 22, 2020 We're racing! MORF Opener Sunday June 28 11am MORF will be racing on Sunday June 28. This race is open to all with no fee. SA7 and Government marks will be used. The course is 14NM starting from SA7 toward the 4 mile crib. It can be shortened to 8NM if conditions warrant. 10 MORF boats have already said they will be coming. Everyone else in the community is invited. If you are not a MORF member sign-up by emailing your boat name, sail number and PHRF rating to morf@morfracing.org from an email address where we can reach you. Communication will be via the MORF notice board morfracing.net/wpmocha/offical-notice-board/. The NOR and SSIs will be available there shortly Compliance with all state and local regulations are the responsibility of the Skipper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
40048 5 #5233 Posted June 22, 2020 21 hours ago, JoeO said: On a wholly unrelated note, looks like the BYC Mac is becoming a bit of a farce: https://www.bycmack.com/raceupdates.cfm In a Scuttlebutt item on Friday they also mentioned how the state (MI) requires that social distancing be maintained while on boats. The comment was that this should be done below deck as well. Seems that means only 1-2 people allowed below deck on some of the smaller boats since there's probably not much more than 6' of separation between usable spaces on those boats. Are we at the point where the attempt to hold this event is considered beating a dead horse? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dcbsheb 16 #5234 Posted June 22, 2020 On 6/20/2020 at 7:56 PM, 40048 said: Where's your mast? Where are your grinders? Who is flaking the genoa so it's ready to go up at the bottom? Who is pulling up the new genoa for a change? Who is pulling the kite into the boat at the bottom? You got one guy doing main? How's that work when it's blowing 20 and it's time to gybe? Sorry but there's just lots of holes that you aren't able to fill with this plan. I agree with everyone who is saying that you can distance race very short-handed. Lots of time to plan. Lots of time between maneuvers. And you can add an auto-helm and drop one more person. BUT, getting around a typical Chicago 1.5-mile-leg buoy race is a whole different animal. The mast is hopefully still vertical. If it's blowing 20, you're probably not buoy racing with 8 on a SC-70, and you're certainly not doing it on a 1.5 NM course. If you want to keep playing the "what if" game, that's fine with me. If you need a second person to jibe the main, then you won't be one of the 8 people I'd buoy race a sled with. The same 2-3 guys at/near the bow will be the ones flaking the genoa, raising it, jumping halyards. Anyone with a free hand is helping to pull the kite down, and the guy driving can be a big help too. No auto helm. You only need 2 headsail trimmers, and one of them is grinding. If you''re going upwind with a #1 up, you have 3-4 people that are just movable ballast & highly capable of turning cranks. I know you feel it can't be done, and that's your right to have a differing opinion. Mine is that it can...and has been done, and it's not as difficult as you're making it out to be. I never said it can be done in 20 kts, and I certainly never said it should be done. All I said is that it can be done more easily than you think with a crew that knows one another and knows the boat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cal20sailor 2,221 #5235 Posted June 23, 2020 3 hours ago, dcbsheb said: and the guy driving can be a big help too The guy driving is critical to things not going pear shaped. Downwind, drive deep for both sets and drops. On jibes, drive deep and free fly the chute until things are made and then play the angles. Upwind, don't expect to tack on every 2deg shift. I'd try to do a 1.5nm leg in no more than 3 tacks. On a 70, in anything more than about 8kts true, the weight on the rail helps for buoy racing. And for FFS, don't get tangled up with another boat. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeO 108 #5236 Posted June 23, 2020 I think everyone is talking around each other on this issue... I think there is general agreement that it is possible to execute maneuvers on a SC70 with 8 experienced crew, as long as it's not short courses strong winds more railmeat (above 8) is beneficial in moderate to high winds But looking at my statement, that started this trouble: "On something bigger (TP52s, etc.) it will definitely be a challenge both in maneuvers and in rail meat. Which means not sailing at 100%, whereas smaller boats may be able to." Do we not agree to the veracity of that statement in, say, Verve Cup conditions above 16kts? Where a Beneteau 40.7 is basically "fully crewed", with a full compelement of "railmeat", while the SC70 is not? And in that case is more able to sail to to its rating than the SC70? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grinder 50 #5238 Posted June 23, 2020 Let’s move on. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiGuy 9 #5239 Posted June 23, 2020 With Illinois moving to stage 4 soon, does that mean 50 people on a boat? Should be able to handle a SC 70 just fine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ropetrick 73 #5240 Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, ChiGuy said: With Illinois moving to stage 4 soon, does that mean 50 people on a boat? Should be able to handle a SC 70 just fine Ten on deck to sail the boat and a forty person orgy below. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SailChiTown 3 #5241 Posted June 23, 2020 13 hours ago, JoeO said: I think everyone is talking around each other on this issue... I think there is general agreement that it is possible to execute maneuvers on a SC70 with 8 experienced crew, as long as it's not short courses strong winds more railmeat (above 8) is beneficial in moderate to high winds But looking at my statement, that started this trouble: "On something bigger (TP52s, etc.) it will definitely be a challenge both in maneuvers and in rail meat. Which means not sailing at 100%, whereas smaller boats may be able to." Do we not agree to the veracity of that statement in, say, Verve Cup conditions above 16kts? Where a Beneteau 40.7 is basically "fully crewed", with a full compelement of "railmeat", while the SC70 is not? And in that case is more able to sail to to its rating than the SC70? You don't sail 40.7s do you? Full crew for railmeat is 12. yes, that is way overkill for the maneuvers, but that boat is over powered with the mast 2 feet forward of original design and needs the bodies. i would say a 36.7 would be considered fully crewed with 8, some take 9. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeO 108 #5242 Posted June 23, 2020 22 minutes ago, SailChiTown said: You don't sail 40.7s do you? Full crew for railmeat is 12. yes, that is way overkill for the maneuvers, but that boat is over powered with the mast 2 feet forward of original design and needs the bodies. i would say a 36.7 would be considered fully crewed with 8, some take 9. No, F40s, where 10 is the practical (weight limit) max. Can't imagine 12 on a 40.7 is "ergonomically friendly" ! On 40-41' IOR or IMS boats with user-friendly cockpits, 12 was crowded. At any rate, 10 on a 40.7, is closer to optimum than 8 on a SC70. Let's stop beating this dead horse... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMB 298 #5243 Posted June 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, JoeO said: No, F40s, where 10 is the practical (weight limit) max. Can't imagine 12 on a 40.7 is "ergonomically friendly" ! On 40-41' IOR or IMS boats with user-friendly cockpits, 12 was crowded. You let railmeat into the cockpit..... you must be getting soft :). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightfoot 11 #5244 Posted June 24, 2020 I know there is another thread on this, but did everyone see the PH to Mac announcement that DNR rules at the mac island harbor has led them to cancel their reservation and thus not be able to offer dockage for competitors on the island? So you finish the race, if you are lucky you can get a few hours on the coal dock and then you are on your own to figure out where to dock your boat. So its a mac race with a turn and burn unless you were lucky enough to get a reservation near by. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glenn McCarthy 188 #5245 Posted June 24, 2020 31 minutes ago, Lightfoot said: I know there is another thread on this, but did everyone see the PH to Mac announcement that DNR rules at the mac island harbor has led them to cancel their reservation and thus not be able to offer dockage for competitors on the island? So you finish the race, if you are lucky you can get a few hours on the coal dock and then you are on your own to figure out where to dock your boat. So its a mac race with a turn and burn unless you were lucky enough to get a reservation near by. Anchor in the harbor, bring a dink. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeO 108 #5246 Posted June 24, 2020 20 minutes ago, Glenn McCarthy said: Anchor in the harbor, bring a dink. Hah hah - Good one! You don't even have a boat anymore, so moot point, eh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeO 108 #5247 Posted June 24, 2020 56 minutes ago, Lightfoot said: I know there is another thread on this, but did everyone see the PH to Mac announcement that DNR rules at the mac island harbor has led them to cancel their reservation and thus not be able to offer dockage for competitors on the island? So you finish the race, if you are lucky you can get a few hours on the coal dock and then you are on your own to figure out where to dock your boat. So its a mac race with a turn and burn unless you were lucky enough to get a reservation near by. Well, it's more subtle than that: " the DNR has finally sent the requirements that the race must comply with. After reviewing the contract, we have determined that it is impossible to comply. " We don't know what these requirements were, only that BYC felt they were too onerous. Masks on the docks? One boat every other slip? Oh, poor babies! It's not like they gave the entrants a voice in whether they wanted to comply. At any rate, given that and the medical recommendations sent by the Fleet Surgeon of GPSC via the BYC Mac committee (which frankly I doubt many owners will enforce),, it's simply a farce to be holding this race. Simple hubris and wanton disregard for public health on the part of BYC and some of the more gung-ho entrants. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FastrSailr 10 #5248 Posted June 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, JoeO said: Well, it's more subtle than that: " the DNR has finally sent the requirements that the race must comply with. After reviewing the contract, we have determined that it is impossible to comply. " We don't know what these requirements were, only that BYC felt they were too onerous. Masks on the docks? One boat every other slip? Oh, poor babies! It's not like they gave the entrants a voice in whether they wanted to comply. At any rate, given that and the medical recommendations sent by the Fleet Surgeon of GPSC via the BYC Mac committee (which frankly I doubt many owners will enforce),, it's simply a farce to be holding this race. Simple hubris and wanton disregard for public health on the part of BYC and some of the more gung-ho entrants. Cool. We won't miss you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
proOC 49 #5249 Posted June 24, 2020 It's not racing but we plan on taking that week and sailing to Beaver, Leland, and maybe another port during that race week. We have the time off and getting slips at most marinas has not been an issue. Could not imagine racing to Mackinac and NOT being able to dock, for at least one night. As much as we all love the racing the turn and burn or even staying in Mackinac City or St. Ignace seems average. Stay healthy....good luck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cal20sailor 2,221 #5250 Posted June 24, 2020 2 hours ago, proOC said: It's not racing but we plan on taking that week and sailing to Beaver, Leland, and maybe another port during that race week. We have the time off and getting slips at most marinas has not been an issue. Could not imagine racing to Mackinac and NOT being able to dock, for at least one night. As much as we all love the racing the turn and burn or even staying in Mackinac City or St. Ignace seems average. Stay healthy....good luck. Could you imagine doing a Supermac? I've done 3 (one solo) and they are great and don't see much difference between that and a turn/burn. In each case, there is a more relaxed attitude on the second half as you can justify it as a delivery. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeO 108 #5251 Posted June 25, 2020 5 hours ago, FastrSailr said: Cool. We won't miss you. Yeah... wow... that hurts.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeO 108 #5252 Posted June 25, 2020 5 hours ago, proOC said: It's not racing but we plan on taking that week and sailing to Beaver, Leland, and maybe another port during that race week. Take your time and visit the other islands around Beaver Island too (Garden, High, Whiskey, Squaw). There is a nice little harbor on Garden island you can anchor in, protected and picturesque. It's hard to imagine but many of these small island were inhabited up until the early 1900's - not just native Americans but also small logging and fishing communities (with schools, mills, stores, etc.). Squaw Island lighthouse was manned until 1928. It's fun, and interesting, to go ashore on these islands and try to imagine them 80-100 years ago, when they were populated, and part of a thriving Island archipelago dealing in lumber and fish. If you're into it the bass fishing in Garden island harbor is pretty good - as a kid caught my first ever fish there after the 1970 Mac race. Beaver itself has a unique history, not just as the site of the only Mormon "kingdom" in the US, but also the commercial fishery - dozens of fishing "tugs" used to be stationed there, fishing (gill nets, pound nets, hook lines) for perch, whitefish, lake trout around the islands. All gone now. But part of a rich Celtic culture that is deeply ingrained in the Island. Leland is now a cute "tourist" town with a re-built "Fishtown" that is a really an echo of it's former self. I feel privileged to have first visited it in ~1973, when it was still a bona-fide fishing community, and the nets being dried and mended on rotating frames outside the clapboard buildings were actually being used to haul in perch and whitefish. After the requisite bloddy mary with the smoked chub at the Inn over the river, consider heading to the Manitous for a more off-the-beaten track adventure... how may ties we've sailed past, wondering what the islands themselves were really like? Go find out. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayoutofthemiddle 5 #5253 Posted June 25, 2020 25 minutes ago, JoeO said: Take your time and visit the other islands around Beaver Island too (Garden, High, Whiskey, Squaw). There is a nice little harbor on Garden island you can anchor in, protected and picturesque. It's hard to imagine but many of these small island were inhabited up until the early 1900's - not just native Americans but also small logging and fishing communities (with schools, mills, stores, etc.). Squaw Island lighthouse was manned until 1928. It's fun, and interesting, to go ashore on these islands and try to imagine them 80-100 years ago, when they were populated, and part of a thriving Island archipelago dealing in lumber and fish. If you're into it the bass fishing in Garden island harbor is pretty good - as a kid caught my first ever fish there after the 1970 Mac race. Beaver itself has a unique history, not just as the site of the only Mormon "kingdom" in the US, but also the commercial fishery - dozens of fishing "tugs" used to be stationed there, fishing (gill nets, pound nets, hook lines) for perch, whitefish, lake trout around the islands. All gone now. But part of a rich Celtic culture that is deeply ingrained in the Island. Leland is now a cute "tourist" town with a re-built "Fishtown" that is a really an echo of it's former self. I feel privileged to have first visited it in ~1973, when it was still a bona-fide fishing community, and the nets being dried and mended on rotating frames outside the clapboard buildings were actually being used to haul in perch and whitefish. After the requisite bloddy mary with the smoked chub at the Inn over the river, consider heading to the Manitous for a more off-the-beaten track adventure... how may ties we've sailed past, wondering what the islands themselves were really like? Go find out. ...this is my plan for the month of July! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Looper 75 #5254 Posted June 26, 2020 I assume the Vanguards are the first racers of the season... also included Markset Bots. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grinder 50 #5255 Posted June 26, 2020 Those are pretty cool. Does CCYC own those? I’m interested in the power supply, navigation & cost. And lots of other questions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayoutofthemiddle 5 #5256 Posted June 26, 2020 49 minutes ago, Grinder said: Those are pretty cool. Does CCYC own those? I’m interested in the power supply, navigation & cost. And lots of other questions. Talk to the V15 fleet captain. She has the inside scoop on them. DM me if you want her contact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
proOC 49 #5257 Posted June 26, 2020 We have a very good friend that lives on Beaver. His daughter rents a house out during the summers and it seems it is available most of July right now. FYI Municipal docks on Beaver are under water and not available. They had to shut off electrical due to the water depths. The 2 private marinas inside are available and have been dredged as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMB 298 #5258 Posted June 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Looper said: I assume the Vanguards are the first racers of the season... also included Markset Bots. We've had a few races up at Wilmette. Vayu took a swing by the start line last Sunday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiGuy 9 #5259 Posted June 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Grinder said: Those are pretty cool. Does CCYC own those? I’m interested in the power supply, navigation & cost. And lots of other questions. They're owned by MarkBot, but Sail21 is leasing these for the summer. They've done an event At Culver in Indiana, and should be doing several more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
40048 5 #5260 Posted June 29, 2020 On 6/26/2020 at 1:14 PM, ChiGuy said: They're owned by MarkBot, but Sail21 is leasing these for the summer. They've done an event At Culver in Indiana, and should be doing several more. This may not have gotten around yet but they've upgraded and are now Sail22. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tenacity 3 #5261 Posted June 30, 2020 On 6/22/2020 at 1:04 PM, Tenacity said: We're racing! MORF Opener Sunday June 28 11am MORF will be racing on Sunday June 28. This race is open to all with no fee. SA7 and Government marks will be used. The course is 14NM starting from SA7 toward the 4 mile crib. It can be shortened to 8NM if conditions warrant. 10 MORF boats have already said they will be coming. Everyone else in the community is invited. If you are not a MORF member sign-up by emailing your boat name, sail number and PHRF rating to morf@morfracing.org from an email address where we can reach you. Communication will be via the MORF notice board morfracing.net/wpmocha/offical-notice-board/. The NOR and SSIs will be available there shortly Compliance with all state and local regulations are the responsibility of the Skipper. We got the first MORF race of the season in yesterday, Sunday Jun, 29. This was one of the first races on the lake this season. The MORF Opener was open to all boats. 16 boats raced, 12 from the MORF fleet plus 4 others. The course was 14 miles using SA7, the 4 mile and Harrison-Dever cribs and the Clemson Shoal buoy. Winds were light at the start, about 6Kt from the NE making the 4 mile crib nearly upwind with flat seas. The last upwind leg back to SA7 had the convergence zone dead on the rumline, spinakers to the East, Jibs to the West. Spinakers were better. The top 5 boats in fleet all finished within 4 minutes after 3 hours of racing. Everyone seemed very happy to be out on the water racing. A 6 week postponement is a bit much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ro! 20 #5262 Posted June 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Tenacity said: We got the first MORF race of the season in yesterday, Sunday Jun, 29. This was one of the first races on the lake this season. The MORF Opener was open to all boats. 16 boats raced, 12 from the MORF fleet plus 4 others. The course was 14 miles using SA7, the 4 mile and Harrison-Dever cribs and the Clemson Shoal buoy. Winds were light at the start, about 6Kt from the NE making the 4 mile crib nearly upwind with flat seas. The last upwind leg back to SA7 had the convergence zone dead on the rumline, spinakers to the East, Jibs to the West. Spinakers were better. The top 5 boats in fleet all finished within 4 minutes after 3 hours of racing. Everyone seemed very happy to be out on the water racing. A 6 week postponement is a bit much. Michigan City had their first of the season Cruiser Class race three weeks ago, 12 boats came out to race, two who had never raced before, zoom skippers meeting, temp marks, reachy race and everyone had fun, results when they got back to the slip and a zoom rum and tonic party. We had to cancel our Fri evening Summer Solstice race when storms rolled thru, but we are expecting a big turnout for Saturdays Lady Skipper Race...boats will come out to race if you make it fun, and have a ‘don’t be a dick’ rule.. Of course it’s not real racing’ like you guys do in Chi Town... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
proOC 49 #5263 Posted June 30, 2020 14 hours ago, ro! said: Michigan City had their first of the season Cruiser Class race three weeks ago, 12 boats came out to race, two who had never raced before, zoom skippers meeting, temp marks, reachy race and everyone had fun, results when they got back to the slip and a zoom rum and tonic party. We had to cancel our Fri evening Summer Solstice race when storms rolled thru, but we are expecting a big turnout for Saturdays Lady Skipper Race...boats will come out to race if you make it fun, and have a ‘don’t be a dick’ rule.. Of course it’s not real racing’ like you guys do in Chi Town... Coop and the gang? Not Kool.... Doing the Eastward Ho this year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keysrock35 46 #5264 Posted July 4, 2020 In the era of social distancing, only 2 boats signed up for doublehanded in the CASRA July series? Anyone else? https://www.yachtscoring.com/emenu.cfm?eID=13060 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightfoot 11 #5265 Posted July 5, 2020 Anyone seen a official race schedule for the rest of this year? I’m trying to help get the scheduling done for the team I’m with but can’t locate anything official. Most interested in: Beer Cans and PtP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerseyguy 1,162 #5266 Posted July 5, 2020 45 minutes ago, Lightfoot said: Anyone seen a official race schedule for the rest of this year? I’m trying to help get the scheduling done for the team I’m with but can’t locate anything official. Most interested in: Beer Cans and PtP As far as I know, this is as official as it gets. http://chicagosailracing.org/races Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ro! 20 #5267 Posted July 5, 2020 On 6/30/2020 at 12:21 PM, proOC said: Coop and the gang? Not Kool.... Doing the Eastward Ho this year? Michigan City had their second Cruiser Class race on Saturday, the Commodores Cup where you must have a lady skipper on the helm with a rating bonus for kids on board. On a gorgeous day we had 17 boats come out to have fun, even in a dying breeze everyone finished, and many stayed out for social distance swimming and cocktails.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightfoot 11 #5268 Posted July 6, 2020 21 hours ago, jerseyguy said: As far as I know, this is as official as it gets. http://chicagosailracing.org/races Thanks, I thought I checked that recently and still saw a bunch of canceled races on the schedule. It looks up to date now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiGuy 9 #5269 Posted July 6, 2020 Beercans are back at Columbia/CYC/Burnham starting July 15. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grinder 50 #5270 Posted July 8, 2020 If you drop some valuables in the drink: 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
40048 5 #5271 Posted July 8, 2020 6 hours ago, Grinder said: If you drop some valuables in the drink: Buy an ad! (Is that something people still say on SA?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glenn McCarthy 188 #5272 Posted July 18, 2020 Anyone else noticing how awesome the first day of today's cancelled Mac would be? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grinder 50 #5273 Posted July 18, 2020 If rather not talk about it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glenn McCarthy 188 #5274 Posted July 18, 2020 8 hours ago, Grinder said: If rather not talk about it? Why? Because it's picking up out of the South right now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blizzard 9 #5275 Posted July 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Glenn McCarthy said: Why? Because it's picking up out of the South right now? I went for a wonderful mountain bike ride near Frankfort today, and it wasn't enough to numb the pain. What are the odds this weather will repeat next year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GABA 7 #5276 Posted July 19, 2020 On 7/18/2020 at 7:21 AM, Glenn McCarthy said: Anyone else noticing how awesome the first day of today's cancelled Mac would be? And judging by the carnage in the Hook, it sure went downhill in the night. Just like the Mac would be. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trailerdan86 4 #5277 Posted July 22, 2020 Hi all, my wife and I recently purchased a Hunter 23.5 with trailer. We have a slip on Lake Michigan for the rest of the summer, but we’d rather sail on smaller lakes without the waves. What are some sailing lakes besides Lake Geneva we could consider? We’re coming from the SW burbs. Thanks for your help! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BayRacer 30 #5278 Posted July 28, 2020 I see WI residents added to Chicago's quarantine requirements effective July 31. That essentially means WI boats and any WI sailors planning to crew on Chicago or Michigan based boats will be excluded from Verve Offshore next weekend. I suppose one could stay on the boat to meet the "spirit" of the rule, but that would get crowded with 7 or 8 on your average 40 footer, and probably no one wants that much food and beer on board for a regatta............. I don't know who or how much checking/enforcement is being done, but this appears to be the first bordering state with Lake Michigan access to the city (MO and IA were on list, but not many boats from there visiting the city). Are hotels providing guest lists to the city and/or checking ID's as people come and go? Police/Park District law enforcement or marinas checking state registrations? I won't be sailing so not worried, and my employees who have to visit fall under essential worker definitions. This theoretically will put a damper on Chicago residents vacationing in Door County, WI Dells or going to a WI lake cottage. Sail and stay safe. The case levels in Wisconsin exceed the threshold to become one of the states on the City of Chicago’s Emergency Travel Order. This requires individuals coming from Wisconsin to self-quarantine for 14 days upon arrival in Chicago. This order will go into effect Friday July 31 at 12:01AM. The Order applies to individuals arriving in Chicago, while they are in the city. The city limits are defined in this interactive map. This does not include individuals who are commuting from Wisconsin to Chicago for the purpose of work; however, such commuters are subject to the requirements below. It does include individuals coming from Wisconsin to Chicago for non-work purposes or Chicago residents returning from Wisconsin counties unless they are deemed an essential worker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SailChiTown 3 #5279 Posted July 28, 2020 43 minutes ago, BayRacer said: I see WI residents added to Chicago's quarantine requirements effective July 31. That essentially means WI boats and any WI sailors planning to crew on Chicago or Michigan based boats will be excluded from Verve Offshore next weekend. I suppose one could stay on the boat to meet the "spirit" of the rule, but that would get crowded with 7 or 8 on your average 40 footer, and probably no one wants that much food and beer on board for a regatta............. I don't know who or how much checking/enforcement is being done, but this appears to be the first bordering state with Lake Michigan access to the city (MO and IA were on list, but not many boats from there visiting the city). Are hotels providing guest lists to the city and/or checking ID's as people come and go? Police/Park District law enforcement or marinas checking state registrations? I won't be sailing so not worried, and my employees who have to visit fall under essential worker definitions. This theoretically will put a damper on Chicago residents vacationing in Door County, WI Dells or going to a WI lake cottage. Sail and stay safe. The case levels in Wisconsin exceed the threshold to become one of the states on the City of Chicago’s Emergency Travel Order. This requires individuals coming from Wisconsin to self-quarantine for 14 days upon arrival in Chicago. This order will go into effect Friday July 31 at 12:01AM. The Order applies to individuals arriving in Chicago, while they are in the city. The city limits are defined in this interactive map. This does not include individuals who are commuting from Wisconsin to Chicago for the purpose of work; however, such commuters are subject to the requirements below. It does include individuals coming from Wisconsin to Chicago for non-work purposes or Chicago residents returning from Wisconsin counties unless they are deemed an essential worker. The map, clearly excludes ColYC and it's dock from the order. It includes CYC, but not their docks. I guess you are right, WI boats, come on down and stay on your boat!! Don't worry, we will bring you supplies and GrubHub and Saucy deliver to both clubs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monkey 1,195 #5280 Posted July 28, 2020 15 minutes ago, SailChiTown said: The map, clearly excludes ColYC and it's dock from the order. It includes CYC, but not their docks. I guess you are right, WI boats, come on down and stay on your boat!! Don't worry, we will bring you supplies and GrubHub and Saucy deliver to both clubs. I like the way you think, but just don’t see that going over well. I’m more bummed because I’m pretty sure none of the Chicago Lightning fleet will be joining us in Sheboygan at the end of August now, although that’s a month away, so things might change before then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grinder 50 #5281 Posted August 1, 2020 Anyone doing Colors or Verve? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spring fever 8 #5282 Posted August 3, 2020 We raced COLORS/ColCup and plan on racing Verve. It was a great warm-up event, and the 88s had two new boats on the line! The RC was very patient in waiting for the breeze on Saturday then firing off two races. As it was my second time on a sailboat this season, it was hard to go from the hurry-up-and-wait to racing mode. The earlier start on Sunday made 3 races possible. Sore AF today. Should've taken my quarantine fitness more seriously. Also testing out which masks are most comfortable for racing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tenacity 3 #5283 Posted September 9, 2020 MORF will be holding the MORF Open - Sunday September 13 @ SA7 11am. 3 races all are welcome. Details are at http://morfracing.net/wpmocha/offical-notice-board/offical-notice-board Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeO 108 #5284 Posted October 11, 2020 Just a shout out to Steve Karstrand and the crews of Thunderbolt and Minister who interrupted their dockside end-of-season soiree to fish out a water-logged old sod from the DuSable watery environs - a victim of an error in the dock-to-boat trajectory calculation. Must be time for a SW upgrade. "Missed it by THAT much!". Otherwise it was a beautiful day for a daysail - 16-22 out of the N, mostly sunny, and warm enough for early October. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grinder 50 #5285 Posted October 16, 2020 Hope all is well, Joe. What a fucked up season & world. I hope all of our Chicago Area 3 sailors are well and that we will see each other in 2021. Stay safe, stay on corse and don’t wipe out. jim c. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeO 108 #5286 Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Grinder said: Hope all is well, Joe. Nothing bruised but my ego! ;-) Well, we can all look forward to 2021 being better than 2020 - I mean, it has to, right? Hopefully we will be closer to the old normal then, than we are now. P.S. As a former IOR combatant, I can say that wipeouts at least did give you something to talk about, and made for great photo ops! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayoutofthemiddle 5 #5287 Posted October 16, 2020 14 hours ago, Grinder said: Hope all is well, Joe. What a fucked up season & world. I hope all of our Chicago Area 3 sailors are well and that we will see each other in 2021. Stay safe, stay on corse and don’t wipe out. jim c. 2021 should be a good year... Here are results from 20 years ago from 2000 Tri-State for a good laugh! Some old familiar names in here: 32nd Chicago-St. Joseph Race PHRF 1 ******************************FINAL************************* Race Scoring Data - Start Date: 09/01/00 Start Time: 19:30:00 Race Distance: 49.4 Course Flag: Sail No. Rating Yacht Name Type Len Owner Club Finish Elapsed Allowance Corrected Sec Flt Note -------- ------ -------------------- ---- --- -------------------- ----- ---------- --------- --------- --------- --- --- ----- 28115 -63 Mirage SNC70 68 Santa Cruise Group CYC 1: 1:41:16 6:11:16 - 0:51:52 7: 3: 8 1 1 18970 -57 Nitemare S/C70 68 Neill, Tom CYC 1: 1:53:11 6:23:11 - 0:46:56 7:10: 7 2 2 54 -72 Blondie SC70 68 Corbett/Sammann MCYC 1: 1:42:22 6:12:22 - 0:59:17 7:11:39 3 4 87666 -69 Thirsty Tiger SNC70 68 D'Ottavio, Albert CYC 1: 1:49:45 6:19:45 - 0:56:49 7:16:34 4 5 38006 24 Eagle Syd38 38 O'Neill Jerry/Shawn CYC 1: 3:18:59 7:48:59 0:19:46 7:29:13 5 8 42440 15 Criterion Sover 50 Mitchell, Roger CYC 1: 3:20:16 7:50:16 0:12:21 7:37:55 6 13 47 -9 goblin.com Tripp 47 Verb,R/Thomas, L CYC 1: 3: 2:44 7:32:44 - 0: 7:25 7:40: 9 7 15 51477 3 Coup d'etat Bn407 47 Ellasser, Ron/Jerri CYC 1: 3:17:24 7:47:24 0: 2:28 7:44:56 8 21 38007 24 Serenissima Syd38 38 Munden, Robin BPYC 1: 3:40:59 8:10:59 0:19:46 7:51:13 9 23 50136 24 Salsa J130 43 Stott, Pete CYC 1: 3:41:59 8:11:59 0:19:46 7:52:13 10 24 51356 -6 Jeannine 3 J125 41 Roeser, Jack COL 1: 3:24:10 7:54:10 - 0: 4:56 7:59: 6 11 25 411 15 Airwaves CM 39 Smirl, Dale JPYC 1: 3:43:14 8:13:14 0:12:21 8: 0:53 12 26 38005 24 Painkiller 4 Syd38 39 Martin, Alice O. COL 1: 3:54:29 8:24:29 0:19:46 8: 4:43 13 27 51354 0 J. Swift Schok 40 Nolan, Ronald COL 1: 3:54:16 8:24:16 0: 0: 0 8:24:16 14 31 3 51 Windancer MUM30 30 Tollefson, Bob COL 1: 5:19:23 9:49:23 0:41:59 9: 7:24 15 56 377 81 Gonzo J105 34 Ed Reagan/Ken Ganch COL 1: 7: 7:11 11:37:11 1: 6:41 10:30:30 16 75 168 -21 Viking IV Oys68 68 Fritz Duda/Papanek CYC 1: 7:42:54 12:12:54 - 0:17:17 12:30:11 17 96 50474 51 Don Quixote J120 40 Don, Robert WYC DNC 50750 -15 Success Tripp 47 Greenwald, Michael CYC DNC 32nd Chicago-St. Joseph Race PHRF 2 ******************************FINAL************************* Race Scoring Data - Start Date: 09/01/00 Start Time: 19:20:00 Race Distance: 49.4 Course Flag: Sail No. Rating Yacht Name Type Len Owner Club Finish Elapsed Allowance Corrected Sec Flt Note -------- ------ -------------------- ---- --- -------------------- ----- ---------- --------- --------- --------- --- --- ----- 42252 63 Spitfire Frk39 39 J.K & Erik Hellquist WYC 1: 3:41:10 8:21:10 0:51:52 7:29:18 1 9 40625 60 Regardless Nmark 39 Taylor, S./Gullo, D. CYC 1: 3:40:27 8:20:27 0:49:24 7:31: 3 2 10 41940 69 Eagle's Wings Frers 41 Gottwald, John J. COL 1: 3:51:12 8:31:12 0:56:49 7:34:23 3 11 5165 66 Caprice C&C43 43 Elliott,S/Miller,J COL 1: 3:55:36 8:35:36 0:54:20 7:41:16 4 16 32641 63 Folie A Deux N/M41 41 Kwiat, Larry T. COL 1: 3:53:18 8:33:18 0:51:52 7:41:26 5 17 42492 69 Michela C&C37 39 Gambetta, Miguel MCYC 1: 3:59: 9 8:39: 9 0:56:49 7:42:20 6 18 50900 66 Wooton2 Sabre 40 Smith, William H. CYC 1: 3:57:34 8:37:34 0:54:20 7:43:14 7 19 50498 66 Big Meanie Ben42 42 Prendergast,Jim/Rich CYC 1: 4: 0:26 8:40:26 0:54:20 7:46: 6 8 22 51170 54 Tsunami Bn407 39 Hayes, Donald BPYC 1: 4:44: 5 9:24: 5 0:44:28 8:39:37 9 39 51377 54 Vayu Bn407 39 Buzil, Ron CCYC 1: 4:47:49 9:27:49 0:44:28 8:43:21 10 41 9449 54 Majic Bn407 39 Ruley, Dorsey CYC DNC 33550 60 Quick Willy JN40 40 Holleman, Gary N/A DNF 51146 54 La Tempete Bn407 39 Weber, Tom & Deb BPYC DNC 77790 60 Ripple N/M 41 Rafson, Robert CCYC 1: 5:13:45 9:53:45 0:49:24 9: 4:21 DNE 32nd Chicago-St. Joseph Race PHRF 3 ******************************FINAL************************* Race Scoring Data - Start Date: 09/01/00 Start Time: 19:10:00 Race Distance: 49.4 Course Flag: Sail No. Rating Yacht Name Type Len Owner Club Finish Elapsed Allowance Corrected Sec Flt Note -------- ------ -------------------- ---- --- -------------------- ----- ---------- --------- --------- --------- --- --- ----- 32705 78 Outrageous Ben42 42 Comeaux, Jeff/Carol CYC 1: 3:32:33 8:22:33 1: 4:13 7:18:20 1 6 83088 96 Fin-Esse Sir38 38 McMillian, Alan C. CYC 1: 3:57:44 8:47:44 1:19: 2 7:28:42 2 7 16643 87 Siren Song Pet40 40 Merlin, Tom CYC 1: 3:57: 6 8:47: 6 1:11:38 7:35:28 3 12 15002 78 Stars & Stripes NM39 39 Bailey, Stan COL 1: 3:54: 4 8:44: 4 1: 4:13 7:39:51 4 14 20630 78 Fury C&C42 42 Powell, Gary CYC 1: 3:58:43 8:48:43 1: 4:13 7:44:30 5 20 104 90 Vytis J-105 35 Petkus, Tomas BPYC 1: 4:46:31 9:36:31 1:14: 6 8:22:25 6 29 25199 93 Assassin Sovrl 33 Sansom, R./Burton, R COL 1: 4:49:22 9:39:22 1:16:34 8:22:48 7 30 6204 87 Rush N/M36 36 Alisch, Jeff STJ 1: 4:48: 9 9:38: 9 1:11:38 8:26:31 8 32 50638 81 Pronto II J/105 34 Edman, Tom & Marilyn JPYC 1: 4:48:25 9:38:25 1: 6:41 8:31:44 9 33 26605 87 Ozymandias NA40 40 Frey, Andrew CCYC 1: 4:53:41 9:43:41 1:11:38 8:32: 3 10 34 40742 81 CanCan Ben42 42 Boltz, Clemens COL 1: 4:51:11 9:41:11 1: 6:41 8:34:30 11 35 43781 75 Draco Tripp 33 Vanderpoel, Michael CYC 1: 4:47:42 9:37:42 1: 1:45 8:35:57 12 37 41625 72 Sorcerer shk35 35 Hetherington, Irv COL 1: 4:50:59 9:40:59 0:59:17 8:41:42 13 40 63350 81 Phantom Ben42 42 Rickelman, Thomas E. COL 1: 5: 3:22 9:53:22 1: 6:41 8:46:41 14 43 32010 87 Moody Blue NM/36 36 Barton, William STJ 1: 5:11:27 10: 1:27 1:11:38 8:49:49 15 45 50798 90 Certainly J110 36 Meyer, Donald E. COL 1: 5:15: 4 10: 5: 4 1:14: 6 8:50:58 16 46 42521 72 Novocain T35 35 Bunger, Gary COL 1: 5: 3:41 9:53:41 0:59:17 8:54:24 17 51 42234 81 Serenity Ben42 42 Marks, J./Hirsch, A. CYC 1: 5:11:28 10: 1:28 1: 6:41 8:54:47 18 52 50326 75 Geronimo ER33 33 Forney,B./D. Rearick MCYC 1: 5:13:29 10: 3:29 1: 1:45 9: 1:44 19 54 50993 87 Wild Wind Ben46 46 Conwell, Thomas WYC 1: 5:33:35 10:23:35 1:11:38 9:11:57 20 59 32611 78 Mirage Ben42 42 Boyle, John & Gerry COL 1: 5:29: 9 10:19: 9 1: 4:13 9:14:56 21 60 73017 90 Maskwa Exprs 35 Waller, Donald P. BPYC 1: 5:39:53 10:29:53 1:14: 6 9:15:47 22 61 42998 72 Captain Blood Schok 35 Locke, Bob & Judee BPYC 1: 5:26:58 10:16:58 0:59:17 9:17:41 23 63 42747 84 Scheherezade Lex34 34 Alwattar/Coppleson CYC 1: 5:53:10 10:43:10 1: 9:10 9:34: 0 24 67 50628 75 Feeling Free II cc37 40 Merriman, Roger CCYC 1: 5:52:55 10:42:55 1: 1:45 9:41:10 25 69 33951 81 Lionheart Ben42 42 Zeman/Wesolek/McGoug CYC DNC 42652 87 Overdraft Bn405 40 Scott, Todd AYC DNC 50988 81 Andiamo J/105 34 Juel, Craig & Norma MCYC RET 63043 81 Kiaora Ben42 42 Carroll, Ronald COL DNC 32nd Chicago-St. Joseph Race PHRF 4 ******************************FINAL************************* Race Scoring Data - Start Date: 09/01/00 Start Time: 19:00:00 Race Distance: 49.4 Course Flag: Sail No. Rating Yacht Name Type Len Owner Club Finish Elapsed Allowance Corrected Sec Flt Note -------- ------ -------------------- ---- --- -------------------- ----- ---------- --------- --------- --------- --- --- ----- 50971 102 Lucky Comet Comar 42 Giampoli, Frank BPYC 1: 3:34:53 8:34:53 1:23:59 7:10:54 1 3 32022 111 Caress Erics 36 Weglarz, Jon & Mark COL 1: 4:50:51 9:50:51 1:31:23 8:19:28 2 28 42428 99 My Whim Huntr 37 O'Malley, William BPYC 1: 4:58: 8 9:58: 8 1:21:31 8:36:37 3 38 31796 111 Wave Length Erics 36 Norbut, Jerry E. MORF 1: 5:19: 4 10:19: 4 1:31:23 8:47:41 4 44 40731 102 Runaway Tarta 40 Gorey, Tom CCYC 1: 5:15:11 10:15:11 1:23:59 8:51:12 5 47 26660 117 Wind Quest C&C38 38 Phelps, Bob CYC 1: 5:28: 3 10:28: 3 1:36:20 8:51:43 6 48 34435 117 Wings C&C35 35 Bowker, Anthony COL 1: 5:28:18 10:28:18 1:36:20 8:51:58 7 49 33912 117 Wave Dancer Sabre 36 Sklar, Michael CYC 1: 5:29: 7 10:29: 7 1:36:20 8:52:47 8 50 32275 117 Free Agent J29 29 Depaepe, Miles MORF 1: 5:35:11 10:35:11 1:36:20 8:58:51 9 53 6525 117 Cahoots Pet34 34 Vigil, Thomas R. CYC 1: 5:44:24 10:44:24 1:36:20 9: 8: 4 10 57 20442 114 Dandelion Herit 37 Jacobs, Tom STJ 1: 5:43:25 10:43:25 1:33:52 9: 9:33 11 58 43807 114 Spirit Of Adventure C&C37 37 Gustman, David SSYC 1: 5:57: 5 10:57: 5 1:33:52 9:23:13 12 65 54951 105 Tenacity Ols34 34 O'Connell/Clark/Hood BPYC 1: 5:57:54 10:57:54 1:26:27 9:31:27 13 66 25255 108 Jack-A-Roe Olsn 30 Dybas, John JPYC 1: 6:12:51 11:12:51 1:28:55 9:43:56 14 70 41311 108 Mystified Frers 33 McCluskey, Thom BPYC 1: 6:52:49 11:52:49 1:28:55 10:23:54 15 73 51057 108 Das Boot Bentu 36 Muller, Jay & Cindy COL 1: 7: 6:52 12: 6:52 1:28:55 10:37:57 16 76 87222 114 Glass Slipper Capri 30 Bakowski, Marek CCYC 1: 7:24:26 12:24:26 1:33:52 10:50:34 17 78 36012 108 Most Wanted NY36 36 Janik, James CCYC 1: 8:25:38 13:25:38 1:28:55 11:56:43 18 93 50924 102 Zaza Colada Huntr 37 Clairardin, Xavier N/A 1: 9: 3:10 14: 3:10 1:23:59 12:39:11 19 97 22955 117 Stealth C&C38 37 Francissen, Jim CYC DNC 51294 126 Toucan Catal 38 Craig/Day Olney ANYC DNF 32nd Chicago-St. Joseph Race PHRF 5 ******************************FINAL************************* Race Scoring Data - Start Date: 09/01/00 Start Time: 18:50:00 Race Distance: 49.4 Course Flag: Sail No. Rating Yacht Name Type Len Owner Club Finish Elapsed Allowance Corrected Sec Flt Note -------- ------ -------------------- ---- --- -------------------- ----- ---------- --------- --------- --------- --- --- ----- 6869 135 Cynthia Morgn 41 DeVries, James STJ 1: 5:16:47 10:26:47 1:51: 9 8:35:38 1 36 41037 123 Sneak Attack J34 34 Neal, John MCYC 1: 5:33:42 10:43:42 1:41:16 9: 2:26 2 55 6710 135 Kutty's Ark Pears 36 McGinnis/Morrissey COL 1: 5:58:39 11: 8:39 1:51: 9 9:17:30 3 62 26142 129 Accord C&C36 36 Hansmann/Dobius COL 1: 6:13:55 11:23:55 1:46:13 9:37:42 4 68 15171 132 Kahuna S29.1 30 Thompson, Loren BPYC 1: 6:40:41 11:50:41 1:48:41 10: 2: 0 5 72 41451 135 Stray Mark T34-2 34 Smith, Ken & Donna MORF 1: 7:59:44 13: 9:44 1:51: 9 11:18:35 6 82 51076 135 Time Out Huntr 35 Kroll, Mark S. COL 1: 8:19: 0 13:29: 0 1:51: 9 11:37:51 7 86 43697 132 Escape C&C 33 Thomas M. Mikos HYC 1: 8:18: 0 13:28: 0 1:48:41 11:39:19 8 88 41587 126 Quicksilver Laser 28 Dorenbos, Peter CCYC 1: 8:13:38 13:23:38 1:43:44 11:39:54 9 89 50447 135 Perfect Lady T-34 34 Vargish, Thomas JPYC 1: 8:31: 0 13:41: 0 1:51: 9 11:49:51 10 90 51018 129 Ruby Tuesday Bentu 35 Nelson, Dave COL 1: 8:35:42 13:45:42 1:46:13 11:59:29 11 94 NONE 120 Lively Romp Morgn 38 Oberle, Thomas C. MCYC DNC 40884 126 Latest Trick Olsen 30 Schneider, Nicholas JPYC DNC 32nd Chicago-St. Joseph Race PHRF 6 ******************************FINAL************************* Race Scoring Data - Start Date: 09/01/00 Start Time: 18:40:00 Race Distance: 49.4 Course Flag: Sail No. Rating Yacht Name Type Len Owner Club Finish Elapsed Allowance Corrected Sec Flt Note -------- ------ -------------------- ---- --- -------------------- ----- ---------- --------- --------- --------- --- --- ----- 41312 141 The Cruzer O'Day 35 Cruz, Jairo & Maria JPYC 1: 5:22:45 10:42:45 1:56: 5 8:46:40 1 42 30789 138 Painkiller J-30 30 Woods, Larry COL 1: 5:52:16 11:12:16 1:53:37 9:18:39 2 64 15329 144 Firecracker Erc34 34 Gottwald, John\Jane BPYC 1: 7: 8:12 12:28:12 1:58:34 10:29:38 3 74 26219 138 Circus J-30 30 Bird/Horn COL 1: 7:23:54 12:43:54 1:53:37 10:50:17 4 77 358 138 Marijke J-30 30 Veersma, Jon STJ 1: 7:24:48 12:44:48 1:53:37 10:51:11 5 79 243 138 Awesome J30 30 Smith, Bill & Vivian MORF 1: 7:43:47 13: 3:47 1:53:37 11:10:10 6 80 26037 150 Rogue Eric 34 Hoswell, Jeff JPYC 1: 7:58: 0 13:18: 0 2: 3:30 11:14:30 7 81 50662 156 Karizmaddie Catal 32 Reynolds, Patrick HYC 1: 8:41:50 14: 1:50 2: 8:26 11:53:24 8 92 26004 144 Dragon Lady C&C34 34 Kalinsky, Raymond BPYC 1: 8:44:30 14: 4:30 1:58:34 12: 5:56 9 95 16673 150 Celestial C&C33 33 Kehoe, B./Steele, A MCYC DNC 32nd Chicago-St. Joseph Race PHRF 7 ******************************FINAL************************* Race Scoring Data - Start Date: 09/01/00 Start Time: 18:30:00 Race Distance: 49.4 Course Flag: Sail No. Rating Yacht Name Type Len Owner Club Finish Elapsed Allowance Corrected Sec Flt Note -------- ------ -------------------- ---- --- -------------------- ----- ---------- --------- --------- --------- --- --- ----- 6649 159 Providence Eric 35 Miarecki, Gerald CYC 1: 6:28:50 11:58:50 2:10:55 9:47:55 1 71 26277 174 Aguila chrsl 27 Gignac, James A. CCYC 1: 8:20:19 13:50:19 2:23:16 11:27: 3 2 83 42293 189 DeDa's Toy Cal 31 Graves, Theodore L. JPYC 1: 8:35:14 14: 5:14 2:35:37 11:29:37 3 84 15463 165 Radiance Trtn 30 White, Benjamin CCYC 1: 8:17:50 13:47:50 2:15:51 11:31:59 4 85 32789 159 Gadzooks Capo 26 Kall, S./Depel, T. CCYC 1: 8:19:57 13:49:57 2:10:55 11:39: 2 5 87 16745 165 Zanjero SanJn 30 Bock, George E. STJ 1: 8:37: 0 14: 7: 0 2:15:51 11:51: 9 6 91 E90 216 GAL Colum 29 Moelter, Charles B. CCYC DNF 113 186 Lidzia II Persn 38 Laucius, Arvydas CCYC DNC 51337 180 Teophilia Cre37 37 Luken, Martin CYC DNC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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