Trickypig 131 #7701 Posted November 20, 2013 I did ask, thought he was ok for it. Maybe it was in Bob sypher! Ad, you need to go to his pantry, throw out that big old jar he bought when Elvis was still alive, and quietly replace it with a fresh one. Don't ask him just do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trickypig 131 #7702 Posted November 20, 2013 Kim, there is another very important stage for SA tragics and that's launching photos and after that, sailing photos. This thread has at least 9 months of life in it , especially if you (we) do Whidbey Island Race Week!! .. just sayin'................ 9 months? This boat is built to last, and since nothing lasts forever, it's also built to be repaired and maintained over time. This thread will probably be interesting to whomever winds up owning this boat after we are all dead. An interesting thought.... it can only add to the resale if one can see all the care and attention that went into her build. But then Sliver has the makings of an heirloom. One of those timeless boats a family can continue to enjoy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 612 #7703 Posted November 20, 2013 What resale? She is already promised to our two grown sons (42 & 44) who want her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Advocate 50 #7704 Posted November 20, 2013 What resale? She is already promised to our two grown sons (42 & 44) who want her. Perfect. I did ask, thought he was ok for it. Maybe it was in Bob sypher! Ad, you need to go to his pantry, throw out that big old jar he bought when Elvis was still alive, and quietly replace it with a fresh one. Don't ask him just do it. That scares me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 853 #7705 Posted November 20, 2013 Nobody touches that jar of Vegemite! If that jar could talk,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackjenner 11 #7706 Posted November 20, 2013 Nobody touches that jar of Vegemite! If that jar could talk,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, If it could talk, it would ask you, "Why is everyone you offer me to so afraid of me?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 612 #7707 Posted November 20, 2013 Traveler and associated hardware..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 612 #7708 Posted November 20, 2013 Jib sheet turning block...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 612 #7709 Posted November 20, 2013 Drain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
floating dutchman 53 #7710 Posted November 20, 2013 Nobody touches that jar of Vegemite! If that jar could talk,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, "could"? Why do I have pictures from that TV series "The Young Ones" in my head right now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 853 #7711 Posted November 20, 2013 Besides I saw a show on Tv and they said those dates on products were bull shit. And I have a jar of Vegemite to prove it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 6,139 #7712 Posted November 20, 2013 Besides I saw a show on Tv and they said those dates on products were bull shit. And I have a jar of Vegemite to prove it. Using "Vegemite" and "shit" in the same paragraph just seems so...right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 2,567 #7713 Posted November 20, 2013 Besides I saw a show on Tv and they said those dates on products were bull shit. And I have a jar of Vegemite to prove it. Ha, ha. Yeah. I know what you mean, Bob. I have a jar of marmalade (admittedly fortified with scotch whisky) in the fridge, which has outlasted the previous fridge! Can't remember what it taste like, but no house guest has died from eating it... as far as I know. PS: Kind of suggests it doesn't taste that great...a lot like your Vegemite maybe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 853 #7714 Posted November 20, 2013 My vintage jar of Vegemite tastes exactly like Vegemite. Speaking of good tasty things, take a look at FRANK with a dodger. It seems that Mrs. SWMBO wants one so we have to take care of her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 2,567 #7715 Posted November 20, 2013 Dodger looks good. The whole package looks incredible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
us7070 286 #7716 Posted November 20, 2013 maybe i asked this before, but did you build a platform for the mast to get that much clearance under the boom? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 853 #7717 Posted November 20, 2013 70: No. But if you are looking at the profile I posted note that it says "Preliminary" and I'm certain that boom height does not reflect the Farr 40 boom height. The BAD with the Farr rig is 4' 11/16". OK, I just checked. The Preliminary drawing has a BAD of 4' 11/16". When I'm good I'm really good. Somehow I'm thinking there must have been some adjustment to the mast step. I don't recall any but that is way too coincidental. I'm really not that good. Maybe Kim can enlighten us. Ok I went back and checked my "working Farr 40 sail plan" for FRANK. The base of the mast is 3" above the top of the cabin sole. So there was an adjustment made to the mast step to accomodate the given bury of the Farr 40 stick. Sailby: When I posted that I have to admit I say here thinking how good it looks. I don't often fall in love with my own work. But lately I have been. It's a good feeling and it comes from having clients that like what I like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 612 #7718 Posted November 20, 2013 Well of course we like what you like Bob, that is why we come to you for yacht design services! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 853 #7719 Posted November 20, 2013 Oh I get it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 2,567 #7720 Posted November 20, 2013 Oh I get it. There you go, Bob. Everybody is happy, including the taxman damn it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Expat Canuck 69 #7721 Posted November 21, 2013 I will not let it bother me. It is a small deal. Some day I will get T shirts made that say, "Just look at the fucking drawing". I would buy one for each yard project manager I have to deal with. Sometimes I get the feeling that their sole mission in life is to raise the blood pressure of the designer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 853 #7722 Posted November 21, 2013 Canuck: I'd have to say that I have known just as many great yard project managers as annoying ones. Thumper Brooks at PSC is a great guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 612 #7723 Posted November 21, 2013 Hey! A prop! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KenJ 0 #7724 Posted November 21, 2013 The dodger looks great on paper. But how does it work for Kim? I've been on too many boats where the dodger obstructs the view ahead. The rest of the build is amazing. Beautiful boat. Thanks Bob for sharing Catari, Francis Lee and now KDH's build. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
romaine 0 #7725 Posted November 21, 2013 Hey! A prop! It's a prop? When will you get a real one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 612 #7726 Posted November 21, 2013 Hey! A prop! It's a prop? When will you get a real one? When I can afford one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ewalker 1 #7727 Posted November 21, 2013 Hey! A prop! It's a prop? When will you get a real one? When I can afford one? When you can "afford" a real prop let me know. I will put that floppy version to good use. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Advocate 50 #7728 Posted November 21, 2013 Hey! A prop! It's a prop? When will you get a real one? boom tish Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 853 #7729 Posted November 21, 2013 Ken: The dodger will work just fine and SWMBO wants one. I would not draw it on the boat if first I determined it would not work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ritchard 0 #7730 Posted November 21, 2013 I'm just checking the thread for the first time this month, agonizing! She's getting so close, Kim, I've said it before but you must be the most patient man on earth. The first of the bottom paint shots from below makes the boat look insanely long and lithe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rattus32 45 #7731 Posted November 22, 2013 Hey! A prop! It's a prop? When will you get a real one? I was thinking the exact same thing. Here are proper props at work: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 612 #7732 Posted November 22, 2013 I'm just checking the thread for the first time this month, agonizing! She's getting so close, Kim, I've said it before but you must be the most patient man on earth. The first of the bottom paint shots from below makes the boat look insanely long and lithe. I wasn't patient when I was younger.......but then again I did not have the resources to do a project like this back then so it all works out. Hey! A prop! It's a prop? When will you get a real one? I was thinking the exact same thing. Here are proper props at work: I am not connected to contemporary culture (at least my two sons say I am not.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Veeger 336 #7733 Posted November 22, 2013 Contemporary Culture is over rated! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 6,139 #7734 Posted November 22, 2013 Contemporary Culture is over rated! Where did you find it? I've been looking everywhere for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
familysailor 121 #7735 Posted November 22, 2013 Contemporary Culture is over rated! Where did you find it? I've been looking everywhere for it. It's an APP on your i-phone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 8,296 #7736 Posted November 22, 2013 Contemporary Culture is over rated! Contemporary culture consists of staring at your phone and continuously posting inane drivel about what is going on in your life. "I just ate a cheeseburger", "I really like watching Survivor", "My baby just took a shit". It helps to explain the popularity of reality shows - THOSE people have lives and the I-Phone generation simply watches and looks at their phones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 2,567 #7737 Posted November 22, 2013 Contemporary Culture is over rated! Contemporary culture consists of staring at your phone and continuously posting inane drivel about what is going on in your life. "I just ate a cheeseburger", "I really like watching Survivor", "My baby just took a shit". It helps to explain the popularity of reality shows - THOSE people have lives and the I-Phone generation simply watches and looks at their phones. How very true. Not to mention a surrender of anonymity. Of course, we choose whether to accede...or not, fortunately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 612 #7738 Posted November 22, 2013 Sounds boring Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackjenner 11 #7739 Posted November 22, 2013 I'm just checking the thread for the first time this month, agonizing! She's getting so close, Kim, I've said it before but you must be the most patient man on earth. The first of the bottom paint shots from below makes the boat look insanely long and lithe. I wasn't patient when I was younger.......but then again I did not have the resources to do a project like this back then so it all works out. > Hey! A prop! It's a prop? When will you get a real one? I was thinking the exact same thing. Here are proper props at work: I am not connected to contemporary culture (at least my two sons say I am not.) You are better off. Trust me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
py26129 80 #7740 Posted November 22, 2013 Contemporary Culture is over rated! Contemporary culture consists of staring at your phone and continuously posting inane drivel about what is going on in your life. "I just ate a cheeseburger", "I really like watching Survivor", "My baby just took a shit". It helps to explain the popularity of reality shows - THOSE people have lives and the I-Phone generation simply watches and looks at their phones. How very true. Not to mention a surrender of anonymity. Of course, we choose whether to accede...or not, fortunately. As parents we also choose what values we teach our kids. Sure, texting reality shows and being more and more connected are part of life these days but neither of our kids has a facebook or twitter account and they do not suffer the shakes when we get on the boat for three weeks each summer and disconnect. In fact, the 18 year old still wants to come and arranges her work schedule aroudn the vacation. It won't last forever but I'll enjoy it while it lasts. Actually when asked about facebook, the 18 year old said;" I don't need facebook. I have a life." Judging by my kid's ipods, some contemporary music is also very good. (The Black Keys, Mumford & Sons and the Dropkick Murphys, come to mind for starters) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 612 #7741 Posted November 22, 2013 "contemporary music"? I am a Beach Boys/Beetles/Jan&Dean/Motown/Ventures kind of guy. Go ahead and call me "old",..................I am. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 853 #7742 Posted November 22, 2013 The Ventures? Now that was music. No Ventures/ no Mark Knophler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 2,567 #7743 Posted November 22, 2013 Van Morrison is my kind of music. And he's still contemporary as far as I'm concerned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 853 #7744 Posted November 22, 2013 PBS was doing a special on contemporary Irish music and they were showing a clip of Van Morrison playing in a small Irish pub. He was singing in his quirky Van way and my son Max walked through the room. Max stopped, looked at the TV for a few seconds then said, "What is this? Open mike?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 6,139 #7745 Posted November 22, 2013 From another hater: Van Morrsion is a fat, curmudgeonly old Irish git – whose success lies squarely at the feet of Irish isolationism and racism. His version of red-eyed soul was the nearest the Republic got to Motown, which is to say that it was significantly distanced by an ocean in between. Adding more Celtic lyrical touches ended up with the boglands version of Joe Cocker wibbling pointlessly about shaking his tush in the moonlight, before losing it all completely on Astral Weeks. http://freakytrigger.co.uk/hate/2001/10/van-morrison-like-a-jelly-roll/ for the rant and rebuttals. I like Van. I have a lot of Van on vinyl, including the aforesaid Astral Weeks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 8,296 #7746 Posted November 22, 2013 Morrison described the difference between young men & women superbly in Wild Nights - "All the girls walk by, dressed up for each other and the boys do the boogie woogie on the corner of the street". All in all though, I preferred The Committments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 853 #7747 Posted November 22, 2013 I haved Van on vinyl too. It took me years to warm up to him but then it hit me one day. This guy is authentic and true to his own unique vision of the music he wants to make. When I was 17, maybe 18 years old I saw him at Lake Hills Roller Rink when he was the lead singer for THEM. They were awful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tucky 33 #7748 Posted November 23, 2013 Do you not get it, lads? The Irish are the blacks of Europe. And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland. And the Northside Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin. So say it once, say it loud: I'm black and I'm proud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 6,139 #7749 Posted November 23, 2013 I haved Van on vinyl too. It took me years to warm up to him but then it hit me one day. This guy is authentic and true to his own unique vision of the music he wants to make. When I was 17, maybe 18 years old I saw him at Lake Hills Roller Rink when he was the lead singer for THEM. They were awful. My wife hated him until I told her to stop thinking of him as a singer and start thinking of him as a guy playing a saxophone with his voice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pedagogical Tom 1,509 #7750 Posted November 23, 2013 Contemporary Culture is over rated! Where did you find it? I've been looking everywhere for it. Try the Front Page. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 612 #7751 Posted November 23, 2013 This SS backstay fittings have been installed, just need the adjustable connector between the fittings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 612 #7752 Posted November 23, 2013 zinc installed on Prop.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 189 #7753 Posted November 23, 2013 This SS backstay fittings have been installed, just need the adjustable connector between the fittings. Very elegant! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 2,567 #7754 Posted November 23, 2013 What...no life lines? Just kidding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jose Carumba 3 #7755 Posted November 24, 2013 Kim, is the adjustable link a turnbuckle? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 853 #7756 Posted November 24, 2013 Jose: I need your mailing address. PM me please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 612 #7757 Posted November 25, 2013 Kim, is the adjustable link a turnbuckle? Yes, it will be, need it to be adjustable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 189 #7758 Posted November 25, 2013 What about some spectra purchase instead of 2 lengths of wire, 4 swages, and a turnbuckle? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
froggie 2 #7759 Posted November 25, 2013 What about some spectra purchase instead of 2 lengths of wire, 4 swages, and a turnbuckle? How about an extended length turnbuckle between the 'base' and the through-deck fitting, since its main purpose is to keep the through-deck fitting a set distance from the base. I really don't see the fitting between the two parts being adjusted a whole lot once everything is in place and set up. Hopefully once it is set it will never need to be adjusted. If Kim decides to T-bone Maltese Falcon, though, all bets are off. . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 612 #7760 Posted November 25, 2013 No plans to adjust it once it is set. Just making initial installation easy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 853 #7761 Posted November 25, 2013 I suppose you could get Chris Tutmark to make you a Spectra strop. That would be very simple and light. Can't imagine you will ever need to adjust it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 612 #7762 Posted November 26, 2013 This morning....some boats got moved and now I can actually see her entire length. Rumor that rig needs to go back in for additional measurement early next week. Rudder parts due today....will they actually arrive?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alphafb552 422 #7763 Posted November 26, 2013 Every time I see a picture of that hull, it takes me a few seconds to figure out what I'm looking at, the bow or the stern... Definitely a head turner! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 612 #7764 Posted November 26, 2013 Every time I see a picture of that hull, it takes me a few seconds to figure out what I'm looking at, the bow or the stern... Definitely a head turner! Hopefully we will add a rudder soon to make it easier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 612 #7765 Posted November 26, 2013 Could not get her completely in from this angle, so had to take two pictures. (Bow/stern Hint: the saildrive is aft of the keel....) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 853 #7766 Posted November 26, 2013 Thanks Kim. Almost looks like a boat now. Be fun to see the rudder on. It will give it a sense of direction. The phone book's here! The phone book's here! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 612 #7768 Posted November 26, 2013 You did not match the line hanging down from the ladder in your splice, but I like it anyway....kind of...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackjenner 11 #7769 Posted November 26, 2013 Every time I see a picture of that hull, it takes me a few seconds to figure out what I'm looking at, the bow or the stern... Definitely a head turner! Easy. If it looks like they installed the keel on backwards, you are looking at the stern. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jose Carumba 3 #7770 Posted November 26, 2013 Every time I see a picture of that hull, it takes me a few seconds to figure out what I'm looking at, the bow or the stern... Definitely a head turner! Easy. If it looks like they installed the keel on backwards, you are looking at the stern. But....... what if they did put the keel on backwards??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
romaine 0 #7771 Posted November 26, 2013 wow! I hope they have jacklines installed, people are wearing harnesses and they're clipped in when they're up walking around on that thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ed Lada 2,541 #7772 Posted November 26, 2013 Could not get her completely in from this angle, so had to take two pictures. (Bow/stern Hint: the saildrive is aft of the keel....) "We're going to need a bigger boat camera!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 612 #7773 Posted November 26, 2013 wow! I hope they have jacklines installed, people are wearing harnesses and they're clipped in when they're up walking around on that thing. "that thing"? How about going with convention and calling her "her". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 853 #7774 Posted November 26, 2013 Wait just a col sarn minute!You mean to tell me you're going to call FRANK "her":? Well I'll be horn swaggled. You might as well by FRANK a little dress while you're at it and some petit toeless shoes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
viktor 19 #7775 Posted November 26, 2013 wow! Wow just Wow. You have come a long way Kim. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Veeger 336 #7776 Posted November 26, 2013 This morning....some boats got moved and now I can actually see her entire length. Rumor that rig needs to go back in for additional measurement early next week. Rudder parts due today....will they actually arrive?? So. Who should my lawyer contact regarding my 'breathing difficulties'? (That sucker takes my breath away!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 853 #7777 Posted November 26, 2013 Mr. Vicky: Thanks for that reminder. It's easy to lose track of where we started, a pile of wood and a lot of optimism. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
viktor 19 #7778 Posted November 26, 2013 Mr. Vicky: Thanks for that reminder. It's easy to lose track of where we started, a pile of wood and a lot of optimism. I think it started way before that pile of wood. A knowledgeable client who knew what he wanted and a designer that could work closely with him is,I think,where it all started. Great job you two. Not to mention the folks who built it. Can't wait to see FL in person again. Thanks again for sharing it all with us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 612 #7779 Posted November 26, 2013 Well, here are a few milestones...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grey Dawn 20 #7780 Posted November 26, 2013 Looking at that slim, beautiful, shiny boat, it's easy to forget that it's made of wood. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 853 #7781 Posted November 26, 2013 Wood? Shitski, you turn your back on a project for one minute,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Originally I wanted carbon fiber. I wanted a vanity boat. I did a weight study. CF would work just fine. But wood came up and we took a look. I will be as close to the designed weight of this finished boat as I have ever been Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kdh 74 #7782 Posted November 26, 2013 Bob, Rasp should really get that spelling error corrected. It's "damned." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 853 #7783 Posted November 27, 2013 kdh: Yeah, I know But there is a certain frontier ,authenticity to it like this. Profundity and spelling acumen are seldom analagous. ( Fuck, listen to me. Mrs. Doane would be proud.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 612 #7784 Posted November 27, 2013 You wanted carbon fiber?? Now you tell me! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 6,139 #7785 Posted November 27, 2013 You wanted carbon fiber?? Now you tell me! Time for a new boat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kdh 74 #7786 Posted November 27, 2013 Welp, just might have to start over, Kim. There is a story around here that Mrs Crane, of bathroom fixture fame, with her husband built a mansion on the N shore of Mass. Big house, especially for the time. When it was done she declared it "drafty," so they tore it down and started again. Did you ever make it to Crane Beach when you worked for Carter, Bob? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
romaine 0 #7787 Posted November 27, 2013 Wood IS carbon [based] fibre. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 6,139 #7788 Posted November 27, 2013 Wood IS carbon [based] fibre. So am I. And I'm not volunteering. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 612 #7789 Posted November 27, 2013 Wood IS carbon [based] fibre. I thought about putting that argument forward Paul, thanks for doing it. See Bob, I did follow your request.........kind of......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
postpast 0 #7790 Posted November 27, 2013 This boat isn't done yet? Jeez, bunch of slackers. P.S. sorry for any previous posts and she sure does look great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
