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Thanks for the posting. I can't wait for the this event. Maybe it is time to start a thread leading up to the event. Something like Steve's last thread titled "Fred's in so much trouble". I hope that steve is still working on the new wing and refining Aethon. Is Team Inviticus launching a new platform this time around? When I spoke with Norman in Newport it seemed as if this would be the case.

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why for the love of god do all these clips have to be set to techno... I mean, is it a goddamn requirement?

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They'll be needing a new wing now... lost a stay near Cowes during the Solent Slog, saw the pile of bits of wing/mast after they got back to Weston. Bad times. Looked stunning on the water the previous day.

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Yes, as Al. noticed, our wing came back to shore in more pieces than it left shore with....the joys of C-Class.

It has been taken back to Bristol and we will soon start poking through it a little more and will post an update to share, and indulge those interested, as to what happened to us out on the water...

Cheers

Gordon.

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why for the love of god do all these clips have to be set to techno... I mean, is it a goddamn requirement?

One knows someone is very old when they do not know their house from trance or garrige... Hint Sound off & sync in your own historical Celine Dion or Iron Maiden vibes my friend Lolz :P

 

Magic vid , Good luck with the wing rebuid Guys

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Yes, as Al. noticed, our wing came back to shore in more pieces than it left shore with....the joys of C-Class.

It has been taken back to Bristol and we will soon start poking through it a little more and will post an update to share, and indulge those interested, as to what happened to us out on the water...

Cheers

Gordon.

 

Sorry to hear that Gordo, did you break the main spar or just the rest of the bits?

 

Pics or it didn't happen.

 

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Well, it seems Invictus has joined the fraternity of C-Class carnage, not that it never flirted with it before.

 

 

 

Invictus travelled south from Bristol last Friday to take part in the Solent Slog race at Weston Sailing Club down by Southampton. The weather for the weekend was looking alittle arrogant at the time but we thought we should head on down and give it ago anyway. Invictus had the privilege of attending the RYA London Dinghy Showin full frontal in the foyer of Alexandra Palace in North London. Inassociation with the RYA we held a small raffle for someone interested in theboat to get a spin and see what C-Class sailing is all about. So our aim for the weekend was a bit of PR, get some people out on Invictus and to shake the cobwebs off and get the ol' girl and get back in the play pen with the othercats of Weston SC.

 

 

 

Saturday was a glamour day for sailing. The winds were a little fruity and a little gusty inplaces, but just right amount to get people out on the boat for a sail. We had just spent the past two weeks slogging over carbon and expanding foam to get our new dagger boards ready and credit to the members of the team for getting them together in short notice and after work hours. All the F18's, tornados andso on went of the the Weston SC long distance race and we launched just after them. Andrew and I took the raffle winner out for a spin and showed off the acceleration and speed the boat can get up to and also the need for a little bit of volume in those bows! I think her email to us a couple of days after her spin show she thoroughly enjoyed the experience and we were glad to have spread the word a little more! We got another team member out and gave her a spin toall smiles and giggles as well as some fantastic trapeze acrobatics. As the wind died off and tide ebbed out, we decided to put Invictus to bed for thenight, all excited and nervous at he same time for the 50 miles ahead of us on Sunday.

 

 

 

Sunday morning.....lovely breeze, dull skies and 50 or so miles of Solent salt ahead of us. We had a mid pack start and sailed down the east coast of the Solent,with varying performance against the other cats. The moment the F18's, the M20and the F20 chuck up those kites, they are gone. Invictus only has half the sail area at that stage and just doesn't quite keep up. As we poked out past Hamble point we werechewing into the others once their kites were down. Andrew and I were not pushing the boat HARD. There was no need. The boat is our only C-Class and the wind was a quite gusty on the first leg. The helm trapeze was a little short for me, so trapping at the rear felt like I was about to be chuck into the wing the second we got any heel on. I would say we were 70% pushing it.

 

 

 

We eventually got around to the Cowes region. We were having a small battle on with the F18s...then Andrew went in to get some water, so we powered down a little, no heavy loads on the rig, nothing aggressive. The sea was quite choppy from all the traffic and the breeze was down to about 14 kts there. As we were about to get ready to power up again, Andrew and I saw the Team's efforts fall forward into the drink. Shit. 300 sqft of wing in the water. We were in shock, then we started laughing...as I say, shock. We couldn't believe it. About 1nm NE of Cowes was Invictus with her wing taking a swim and not looking like it was enjoying it.

 

 

 

Luckily, one of the Weston SC support ribs was near by and was on the scene within 2 mins or so. I have to say now, a BIG thank you to the guys and gals on the two ribs who helped us get everything sorted and for Solent Rescue keeping an eye on things.

 

 

 

We took a few minutes to asses the situation. We were in no rush. The wing was floating, we were not in any danger of shipping and all the race yachts were not about to drive over us. Andrew and I were OK.Time to get on with salvaging this thing.

 

 

 

The big shock was when Andrew scrambled up the stbd bow and looked in the lower LE. Our mast(6" dia tube) was in two. Now we're in a pickle. The worry was not salvaging everything from the water, the thoughts were salvaging the wing inthe repair shop. Eventually with some rib assistance and some spectacular Baywatch diving from Andrew, we got the two flaps and upper element 1 on to therear of the tramp. I lashed them down with suitable slicing to my leg fromcarbon and glass edges. We also hauled up the two mast sections and all the LE and strapped them down good and tight. The Weston rib nursed our flexible element 2 back to us. Final check everything was strapped down and then the slow, cold and thought provoking journey back to Weston SC commenced.

 

 

 

We have not yet 100% looked into the damage. In a nutshell and on the face of it, it looks repairable. Our flaps are ok (but needdetailed inspection), upper element 1 needs a good bit of taping and strapping.The mast is a 'clean' cut but delam and so on it yet to be determined. I hope it's not too bad and it can be recovered. The hulls are fine and the crew is safe and sound - the main thing. You are probably asking this how it happened. Our leeward backstay snapped about 3/4 upit's length. We do not know why, and I am still scratching my head on that one.I want to get to the bottom of it.

 

 

 

All in all, the damage was done where the boat belonged - on the water. It didn't happen when raising the wing (a dangerous time in gusty conditions) or in some other scenario. We can't be angry and can't point fingers. The team will take the positives out of this. A possible opportunity to change systems, improve them,make things light and generally use this as a experimental platform for moving forward on the new design.

 

 

 

On behalf of theTeam I would really like to thank Weston Sailing Club for their fantastic hospitality and for Andrew and I, the warm drinks after the tow. And again,many thanks to the rib crew that helped us, made our lives much easier sorting the wing out.

 

 

 

Cheers

 

Gordon

 

 

 

P.s. You can munch on the above for the moment. Images will follow shortly once processed.

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Post mortem please= especially wing trimming before pitchpole and RC diving through the wing

 

 

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why for the love of god do all these clips have to be set to techno... I mean, is it a goddamn requirement?

 

I muted and fired up some Doors, Break on Through to the Other side worked nicely...

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That really sucks. Good luck in the rebuild/build.

Well, it seems Invictus has joined the fraternity of C-Class carnage, not that it never flirted with it before.

 

 

 

Invictus travelled south from Bristol last Friday to take part in the Solent Slog race at Weston Sailing Club down by Southampton. The weather for the weekend was looking alittle arrogant at the time but we thought we should head on down and give it ago anyway. Invictus had the privilege of attending the RYA London Dinghy Showin full frontal in the foyer of Alexandra Palace in North London. Inassociation with the RYA we held a small raffle for someone interested in theboat to get a spin and see what C-Class sailing is all about. So our aim for the weekend was a bit of PR, get some people out on Invictus and to shake the cobwebs off and get the ol' girl and get back in the play pen with the othercats of Weston SC.

 

 

 

Saturday was a glamour day for sailing. The winds were a little fruity and a little gusty inplaces, but just right amount to get people out on the boat for a sail. We had just spent the past two weeks slogging over carbon and expanding foam to get our new dagger boards ready and credit to the members of the team for getting them together in short notice and after work hours. All the F18's, tornados andso on went of the the Weston SC long distance race and we launched just after them. Andrew and I took the raffle winner out for a spin and showed off the acceleration and speed the boat can get up to and also the need for a little bit of volume in those bows! I think her email to us a couple of days after her spin show she thoroughly enjoyed the experience and we were glad to have spread the word a little more! We got another team member out and gave her a spin toall smiles and giggles as well as some fantastic trapeze acrobatics. As the wind died off and tide ebbed out, we decided to put Invictus to bed for thenight, all excited and nervous at he same time for the 50 miles ahead of us on Sunday.

 

 

 

Sunday morning.....lovely breeze, dull skies and 50 or so miles of Solent salt ahead of us. We had a mid pack start and sailed down the east coast of the Solent,with varying performance against the other cats. The moment the F18's, the M20and the F20 chuck up those kites, they are gone. Invictus only has half the sail area at that stage and just doesn't quite keep up. As we poked out past Hamble point we werechewing into the others once their kites were down. Andrew and I were not pushing the boat HARD. There was no need. The boat is our only C-Class and the wind was a quite gusty on the first leg. The helm trapeze was a little short for me, so trapping at the rear felt like I was about to be chuck into the wing the second we got any heel on. I would say we were 70% pushing it.

 

 

 

We eventually got around to the Cowes region. We were having a small battle on with the F18s...then Andrew went in to get some water, so we powered down a little, no heavy loads on the rig, nothing aggressive. The sea was quite choppy from all the traffic and the breeze was down to about 14 kts there. As we were about to get ready to power up again, Andrew and I saw the Team's efforts fall forward into the drink. Shit. 300 sqft of wing in the water. We were in shock, then we started laughing...as I say, shock. We couldn't believe it. About 1nm NE of Cowes was Invictus with her wing taking a swim and not looking like it was enjoying it.

 

 

 

Luckily, one of the Weston SC support ribs was near by and was on the scene within 2 mins or so. I have to say now, a BIG thank you to the guys and gals on the two ribs who helped us get everything sorted and for Solent Rescue keeping an eye on things.

 

 

 

We took a few minutes to asses the situation. We were in no rush. The wing was floating, we were not in any danger of shipping and all the race yachts were not about to drive over us. Andrew and I were OK.Time to get on with salvaging this thing.

 

 

 

The big shock was when Andrew scrambled up the stbd bow and looked in the lower LE. Our mast(6" dia tube) was in two. Now we're in a pickle. The worry was not salvaging everything from the water, the thoughts were salvaging the wing inthe repair shop. Eventually with some rib assistance and some spectacular Baywatch diving from Andrew, we got the two flaps and upper element 1 on to therear of the tramp. I lashed them down with suitable slicing to my leg fromcarbon and glass edges. We also hauled up the two mast sections and all the LE and strapped them down good and tight. The Weston rib nursed our flexible element 2 back to us. Final check everything was strapped down and then the slow, cold and thought provoking journey back to Weston SC commenced.

 

 

 

We have not yet 100% looked into the damage. In a nutshell and on the face of it, it looks repairable. Our flaps are ok (but needdetailed inspection), upper element 1 needs a good bit of taping and strapping.The mast is a 'clean' cut but delam and so on it yet to be determined. I hope it's not too bad and it can be recovered. The hulls are fine and the crew is safe and sound - the main thing. You are probably asking this how it happened. Our leeward backstay snapped about 3/4 upit's length. We do not know why, and I am still scratching my head on that one.I want to get to the bottom of it.

 

 

 

All in all, the damage was done where the boat belonged - on the water. It didn't happen when raising the wing (a dangerous time in gusty conditions) or in some other scenario. We can't be angry and can't point fingers. The team will take the positives out of this. A possible opportunity to change systems, improve them,make things light and generally use this as a experimental platform for moving forward on the new design.

 

 

 

On behalf of theTeam I would really like to thank Weston Sailing Club for their fantastic hospitality and for Andrew and I, the warm drinks after the tow. And again,many thanks to the rib crew that helped us, made our lives much easier sorting the wing out.

 

 

 

Cheers

 

Gordon

 

 

 

P.s. You can munch on the above for the moment. Images will follow shortly once processed.

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Post mortem please= especially wing trimming before pitchpole and RC diving through the wing

Thanks!

In pre-start (have no information about where they were relating to comitte boat or pin, but it looks like he was s turning. Don't know why he headed back down but he did - looks like he was heading into a turn back gybe to head for the line - probably with competitor to windward.)

 

In big breeze and chop heading into a down speed gybe is a dangerous game. It is usually better to turn on the jets and tack.

 

so they headed off to gybe, weren't going full speed, the bows went down because the apparent wind loading on the rig was from abeam and went down the mine.

 

Sheer speculation on the position of the boats in the pre start, but that is what the video looks like to me.

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