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Very very interesting picture - you can see where Brendan Dobreth evolved his style from. I believe he worked/was the designer for Irwin Yachts at one time...

 

Thanks for the pictures.

 

MKF

 

 

Looks like I came late to the party...

 

I saw woofwoof''s post in the old thread and saw this:

 

Rip Van Winkle - Irwin 3/4 Ton SORC 81 - Owned by Joe Nuzzo

 

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That's Wells Cogeshell up front..

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Reefed headsails.. Good drugs in the 70's man.. Miami-Nassau 1981

 

Here's a couple w/ the old paint job:

 

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1978 St. Pete to Havana Race.. Howard Miller sportin the Fro..

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Any pics of Strange Tripp from BIRW around 91 or 92? It was a Tripp 36 owned by Jerry Sullivan.

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I'm wondering if anybody here can identify this distinctive yacht, Sail No. 23866.

I believe this was on a Chi-Mac race, perhaps 1982 or so, but am not positive.

I only have scratch sheet from 1983, which does not include her. And my 1983 Mac photos were taken from a helicopter.

It looks like she had yellow lettering, but I can't make it out, and can't remember.

 

 

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J.O.& COMPANY 23866 *

 

Johnson Brothers

Little Traverce Bay Y.C

L.O.A. 34

Rate 25.9

Design Islander(??)

 

*1980 BYC MACKINAC SCRATCH SHEET

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J.O.& COMPANY 23866 *

 

Johnson Brothers

Little Traverce Bay Y.C

L.O.A. 34

Rate 25.9

Design Islander(??)

Nope - Pet 34. I remember the boat now (you'd think I would, since I have the same initials!).

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J.O.& COMPANY 23866 *

 

Johnson Brothers

Little Traverce Bay Y.C

L.O.A. 34

Rate 25.9

Design Islander(??)

Nope - Pet 34. I remember the boat now (you'd think I would, since I have the same initials!).

 

Yes, built by Island Yachts/Composite Technologies.

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J.O.& COMPANY 23866 *

 

Johnson Brothers

Little Traverce Bay Y.C

L.O.A. 34

Rate 25.9

Design Islander(??)

Nope - Pet 34. I remember the boat now (you'd think I would, since I have the same initials!).

 

Yes, built by Island Yachts/Composite Technologies.

Yup - Marion Hayes & the other good 'ol boys in Texas.

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Thanks SBBB, wanted to see Mace when it was new. In the middle of a major overhaul.

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do you have any pics of Heavy Metal from 85 or 86 SORC ?

 

Im not sure, I was pretty young back them, but ill ask the folks. They probably have some polaroids of my potty trainin if your are interested.

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do you have any pics of Heavy Metal from 85 or 86 SORC ?

 

Im not sure, I was pretty young back them, but ill ask the folks. They probably have some polaroids of my potty trainin if your are interested.

 

Thanks for your sophomoric hijack. You may want to keep your day job ( Let me guess, something to do with sheep ? Hey, I'm not judging, I'm just saying. ) Cause the comedy thing is not going to work out for you.

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Rip Van Winkle - Irwin 3/4 Ton SORC 81 - Owned by Joe Nuzzo

 

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>>That's Wells Cogeshall up front..<<

 

Wow. Never realized my dad ever got that close to the pointy end of a boat.

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Moonraker. Nils Muench. DYC. Erickson 39 (I believe, though Erickson 39 brings Panache to mind.)

Perhaps Moonraker was of a later design; she looks like a more radical racing design.

Maybe you guys can fill us in.

 

 

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Oh, I found this link. Look for Moonraker. She won quite a few awards.

 

http://www.chicagoya...ophy_Winners.pdf

 

 

Perhaps somebody can tell us about the red 'M' near her bow.

 

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Nils was a great owner. Complete character and a lot of fun on any boat. He would design his own sails and have the sailmaker build to his specs. A couple of complete failures but generally okay shapes. Nils was one of those classic Detroit owners when Detroit was still a sailing hotspot.

 

Nils was a dear friend of Lowell North. Nils went to visit Lowell during the Admiril's Cup. Lowell told Nils this is the one ton hull to purchase. He did and won many races with her. Moonraker was a 1985 custom JN, I do not remember if she won her class but she was a very fast hull. Nils recently passed away and will be remembered a a tough competitor.

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Actually Moonraker was a Ben 1ton. Sistership (locally) to Poltergeist/Toscana. There were 30 or so built. Moonraker went through several modifications.

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Artemis. Emil Arthur, NYYC. Peterson 51. 1983 Miami to Nassau Race. SORC Class B, rated IOR 40.6.

 

 

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Liberty. AC 1983, Newport RI.

 

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Imagine sailing on the AC defender cat in 2052, and falling off at 67 knots from a height of perhaps 50 feet. I prefer the 12's. But I'll admit the AC cats are fast and furious, fun to watch.

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Here's a boat I can't identify.

 

She may have sailed in NA One Ton regatta in Chicago, with Fair Lady, Poultergeist, et al.

Logo may say "Special .....[something]......."

I cannot remember name, but knew at one time.

Maybe I'll run across another photo that shows name better.

I thought perhaps some folks here could help us out. : )

 

I may go back through the thread and re-read some of the info there.

Perhaps this boat was mentioned earlier.

 

 

Special-------Sail-No-42252_zpsf34cb69a.jpg

 

 

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Here's a boat I can't identify.

 

She may have sailed in NA One Ton regatta in Chicago, with Fair Lady, Poultergeist, et al.

Logo may say "Special .....[something]......."

I cannot remember name, but knew at one time.

Maybe I'll run across another photo that shows name better.

I thought perhaps some folks here could help us out. : )

 

I may go back through the thread and re-read some of the info there.

Perhaps this boat was mentioned earlier.

 

 

Special-------Sail-No-42252_zpsf34cb69a.jpg

 

 

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Not a Long Island Sound boat that I remember. A number that starts in 42, would that be a Great Lakes boat? She is sexy though. You have to admit that the IOR had the best looking boats, bar none.

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Here's a boat I can't identify.

 

She may have sailed in NA One Ton regatta in Chicago, with Fair Lady, Poultergeist, et al.

Logo may say "Special .....[something]......."

I cannot remember name, but knew at one time.

Maybe I'll run across another photo that shows name better.

I thought perhaps some folks here could help us out. : )

 

I may go back through the thread and re-read some of the info there.

Perhaps this boat was mentioned earlier.

 

 

Special-------Sail-No-42252_zpsf34cb69a.jpg

 

 

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Not a Long Island Sound boat that I remember. A number that starts in 42, would that be a Great Lakes boat? She is sexy though. You have to admit that the IOR had the best looking boats, bar none.

 

Sail number matches the now Great Lakes one-tonner Spitfire.

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Here's a boat I can't identify.

 

She may have sailed in NA One Ton regatta in Chicago, with Fair Lady, Poultergeist, et al.

Logo may say "Special .....[something]......."

I cannot remember name, but knew at one time.

Maybe I'll run across another photo that shows name better.

I thought perhaps some folks here could help us out. : )

 

I may go back through the thread and re-read some of the info there.

Perhaps this boat was mentioned earlier.

 

 

Special-------Sail-No-42252_zpsf34cb69a.jpg

 

 

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Not a Long Island Sound boat that I remember. A number that starts in 42, would that be a Great Lakes boat? She is sexy though. You have to admit that the IOR had the best looking boats, bar none.

 

Sail number matches the now Great Lakes one-tonner Spitfire.

 

Yep, but I'm not sure it's the same boat. See here: http://www.christopherasimon.com/keyword/usa%2042252%20spitfire/1/1390953459_7MZmG4J#!i=1390953951&k=ZHsMcvp

 

Looks like a slightly different rig. Another results site (Anchorage Yacht Club, Lake Forest, Il) has the current boat as a Franklin 40. It's too close not be the same hull, especially with that sail number.

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I'm pretty sure that is Spitfire Looks better in these Pics then she does now, but the horseshoe buoys, which double as seat cushions give her away. Nice boat, well sailed, but got hurt with her ORR Rating, if I remember right.

 

Again Larry thanks for the pictures and the memories.

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Looking closely at the hull it looks like the first two letters in the name are "SP"

 

perhaps there were multiple spitfires?

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Yes, that makes sense, LH.

 

I notice in some more recent race results, there is a Spitfire still, with with same sail number.

 

USA 42252 Spitfire Frank 40 39.4 Waukegan Yacht Club 0.920

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This is the same Spitfire. If memory serves it is a G&S design first in Chicago for the 1987 NAs designed by G&S for Horst Kwech (better known for race cars). I believe that both Scott and Eric were on the boat for the 87 NAs.

 

Robin

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Windancer, ex-Intrepid. 12 US-22. John Nedeau, CYC.

 

1983 Chicago to Mackinac Race, IOR Section 1, rated IOR 49.8.

 

 

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This is the same Spitfire. If memory serves it is a G&S design first in Chicago for the 1987 NAs designed by G&S for Horst Kwech (better known for race cars). I believe that both Scott and Eric were on the boat for the 87 NAs.

 

Robin

 

Recent results list it as a Franklin 40. Not sure what that is and I couldn't find anything about a Franklin yacht designer. G&S sounds better. Maybe someone named Franklin modified her.

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This is the same Spitfire. If memory serves it is a G&S design first in Chicago for the 1987 NAs designed by G&S for Horst Kwech (better known for race cars). I believe that both Scott and Eric were on the boat for the 87 NAs.

 

Robin

Exactly right. Built by Franklin Yachts in NZ (http://www.franklinboatyards.co.nz/halloffame) . Horst always referred to her as a G&S 1-Ton, next owners began calling it a Franklin 40. Boat was a more light-air optimized verison of SSA - Eric & Scot's earlier very successful 1-T. This was Horst's move-up from a J-41 (called Trimmer).

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Windancer, ex-Intrepid. 12 US-22. John Nedeau, CYC.

 

1983 Chicago to Mackinac Race, IOR Section 1, rated IOR 49.8.

 

 

Windancer-92012-edit-900-a.jpg

 

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Why the F would someone buy Intrepid, perhaps the greatest 12 of all time, and rename her? WTF? What kind of severe brain trauma did John experience?

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As I recall, the boat went by Intrepid-Windancer for most of her time on the lake.

 

That's still retarded. How could a guy be rich enough to afford a 12-Meter and so stupid that ^ this ^ seems like a good idea?? Aside from that, "Windancer" is one of the most unoriginal boring hackneyed sailboat names, used by mostly by people who let their non-sailing wife name their boat for them to try & keep some peace in the household...

 

I should stop now, this rant is going downhill fast.

I hope somebody dope-slapped the guy

 

FB- Doug

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As I recall, the boat went by Intrepid-Windancer for most of her time on the lake.

Ooo

That's still retarded. How could a guy be rich enough to afford a 12-Meter and so stupid that ^ this ^ seems like a good idea?? Aside from that, "Windancer" is one of the most unoriginal boring hackneyed sailboat names, used by mostly by people who let their non-sailing wife name their boat for them to try & keep some peace in the household...

 

I should stop now, this rant is going downhill fast.

I hope somebody dope-slapped the guy

 

FB- Doug

I have sailed with John for the last ten years or so, he is one of the nicest people on the water, as is his wife and family. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Go fuck yourself. That was the third in a series of seven boats he has owned with that name over the last 40 years. You don't like it? Tough shit, and go fuck yourself. Old 12s were not exactly a hot item in 1983, how many rotted away in yards while Intrepid was out sailing. Were you going to buy it?. While it said Windancer on the sides, it always had Intrepid on the transom. Go fuck yourself. Repeatedly, with Bull Gator's diseased dick.

 

Larry, great thread, but please stop posting pics of the boat as Windancer. This is the fourth or fifth pic, and they bring out the asshole patrol. Out.

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As I recall, the boat went by Intrepid-Windancer for most of her time on the lake.

Ooo

That's still retarded. How could a guy be rich enough to afford a 12-Meter and so stupid that ^ this ^ seems like a good idea?? Aside from that, "Windancer" is one of the most unoriginal boring hackneyed sailboat names, used by mostly by people who let their non-sailing wife name their boat for them to try & keep some peace in the household...

 

I should stop now, this rant is going downhill fast.

I hope somebody dope-slapped the guy

 

FB- Doug

I have sailed with John for the last ten years or so, he is one of the nicest people on the water, as is his wife and family. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Go fuck yourself. That was the third in a series of seven boats he has owned with that name over the last 40 years. You don't like it? Tough shit, and go fuck yourself. Old 12s were not exactly a hot item in 1983, how many rotted away in yards while Intrepid was out sailing. Were you going to buy it?. While it said Windancer on the sides, it always had Intrepid on the transom. Go fuck yourself. Repeatedly, with Bull Gator's diseased dick.

 

Larry, great thread, but please stop posting pics of the boat as Windancer. This is the fourth or fifth pic, and they bring out the asshole patrol. Out.

 

Not to be a dick .... If the guy buys a boat, he can rename it whatever he wants ... But I don't see any name on the transom. Could be there, I just don't see it.

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Larry, great thread, but please stop posting pics of the boat as Windancer. This is the fourth or fifth pic, and they bring out the asshole patrol. Out.

 

I understand where you are coming from regarding the rant on names M, but seeing pics of this old girl along with Heritage bring back memories of walking the docks before the PH-Mack race as a kid. Those boats were gorgeous.

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Here's transom with INTREPID lettering clearly visible during a different race. I may have removed partial lettering in editing due to flaw on negative for previous image. Some negatives have problems after almost 30 years. I can't remember now since that scan was done two years ago. Sorry for any confusion.

 

 

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Larry, great thread, but please stop posting pics of the boat as Windancer. This is the fourth or fifth pic, and they bring out the asshole patrol. Out.

 

I understand where you are coming from regarding the rant on names M, but seeing pics of this old girl along with Heritage bring back memories of walking the docks before the PH-Mack race as a kid. Those boats were gorgeous.

 

I hear you, I just get tired of seeing John get beat up every time these pics get posted. Nothing against Larry, she is a pretty boat.

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As I recall, the boat went by Intrepid-Windancer for most of her time on the lake.

 

That's still retarded. How could a guy be rich enough to afford a 12-Meter and so stupid that ^ this ^ seems like a good idea?? Aside from that, "Windancer" is one of the most unoriginal boring hackneyed sailboat names, used by mostly by people who let their non-sailing wife name their boat for them to try & keep some peace in the household...

 

I should stop now, this rant is going downhill fast.

I hope somebody dope-slapped the guy

 

FB- Doug

 

Hi Doug,

My family has owned the seven Windancers to which you refer. It's nice that you feel so strongly about boat names that you feel it necessary to defame people over what they name their boat or exactly who named it. Since you seem so enraged by what happened here maybe I can shed a little light on the history here.

For starters, my sister named the first Windancer, a C&C 50, Windancer in 1972. She was about 13 at the time. We have six kids in the family and since this was to be (and always has been) a family boat, my father allowed the kids to name the boat. For that reason we shied away from the names like FUJIMO and Jennyhumper... Additionaly my father had been sailing as part of the crew on Scaramouch, his father's boat Romahajo and other boats like Aura and never felt those boats had any family connection. The one catch is that he planned to document the boat with the USCG and for that reason it had to be an original name. Hence, the USCG had no boats by the name of Windancer, and the kids voted it over the other names... No need to apologize to my sister, she is in her 50s now and can handle your comments.

As for the Intrepid/Windancer issue. Well there is a lot you don't know. First of all, when we bought the boat from the Canadian 12 M syndicate it had been renamed Northlight, though by the time we took possession of it they had put Intrepid back on the transom, but it did not look very good. (Kind of a quick red and yellow job)

We also undertook the conversion of the boat from a day sailor to an offshore boat. This included installing an engine, upgrading all of the rigging, electronics, an interior, a galley, a head... and at the end of the day the boat was nothing like the 12M we purchase. Nevertheless, my father had planned to leave the name Intrepid all along; until he arrived at the yard to see that they had removed the name Intrepid. He had unfortunately miscommunicated with the yard regarding how the name looked Intrepid looked crappy and that it should be removed. The yard took that to mean that he wanted Windancer on the transom. Fact, Windancer was never on the Transom as far as I can remember, but for a few weeks, Intrepid was removed.

 

My father was still bent on having just Intrepid on the boat, but the then got a call from his insurance agent regarding the name and what was actually insured, documented etc. On top of this, so many people in the yard came to look at the boat and wondered who owned the boat. Everyone in town knew who owned Windancer and since the bank had seized the previous boat, a C&C 52 one off, he felt an urge to show the people of our small town that he was back on his feet, so to say.

Adding it all up, he elected to place Intrepid on the stern and Windancer on the hull. Trust me, he had no idea he was going to offend you and your zest for America's Cup history. On behalf of my father and family, I apologize. It was a mistake for which we should all be Carped at the mast and made to sail with all those offended for the rest of our lives.

I should also note that my father and family have a great love for the 12M's and were somewhat of a fixture in Newport (another sister lived there) during the cup years. Additionally, under our ownership Interpid/Windancer was used as an early trial horse for the CYC Buddy Melges, 12M syndicate. Those involved never seemed to mention any concern about the name. I guess the players had bigger things on their mind.

 

Hope I answered your question and that you can sleep better tonight. And again, I am very sorry we offended you.

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post of the week

 

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It looks like she may not have had any lettering on the transom during the 1983 Chi-Mac Race.

I have other photos of her transom that day and can find none with lettering there.

 

It may have been during the brief time mentioned in OffShore Sam's great post.

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... ...

 

 

Hi Doug,

My family has owned the seven Windancers to which you refer. It's nice that you feel so strongly about boat names that you feel it necessary to defame people over what they name their boat or exactly who named it. Since you seem so enraged by what happened here maybe I can shed a little light on the history here.

 

For starters, my sister named the first Windancer, a C&C 50, Windancer in 1972. She was about 13 at the time. We have six kids in the family and since this was to be (and always has been) a family boat, my father allowed the kids to name the boat. For that reason we shied away from the names like FUJIMO and Jennyhumper... Additionaly my father had been sailing as part of the crew on Scaramouch, his father's boat Romahajo and other boats like Aura and never felt those boats had any family connection. The one catch is that he planned to document the boat with the USCG and for that reason it had to be an original name. Hence, the USCG had no boats by the name of Windancer, and the kids voted it over the other names... No need to apologize to my sister, she is in her 50s now and can handle your comments.

 

As for the Intrepid/Windancer issue. Well there is a lot you don't know.

... ....

 

Thanks for the history lesson.

 

Also, a sincere thanks to your father & your family for keeping INTREPID sailing

 

FB- Doug

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... ...

 

 

Hi Doug,

My family has owned the seven Windancers to which you refer. It's nice that you feel so strongly about boat names that you feel it necessary to defame people over what they name their boat or exactly who named it. Since you seem so enraged by what happened here maybe I can shed a little light on the history here.

 

For starters, my sister named the first Windancer, a C&C 50, Windancer in 1972. She was about 13 at the time. We have six kids in the family and since this was to be (and always has been) a family boat, my father allowed the kids to name the boat. For that reason we shied away from the names like FUJIMO and Jennyhumper... Additionaly my father had been sailing as part of the crew on Scaramouch, his father's boat Romahajo and other boats like Aura and never felt those boats had any family connection. The one catch is that he planned to document the boat with the USCG and for that reason it had to be an original name. Hence, the USCG had no boats by the name of Windancer, and the kids voted it over the other names... No need to apologize to my sister, she is in her 50s now and can handle your comments.

 

As for the Intrepid/Windancer issue. Well there is a lot you don't know.

... ....

 

Thanks for the history lesson.

 

Also, a sincere thanks to your father & your family for keeping INTREPID sailing

 

FB- Doug

But no apology for publicly trashing Sam's father. Could you be a bit lamer?. I nominate you for SA Douchebag of the Week. May you be cursed to sailing a Mac26 for eternity.

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Some folks sure do have strong opinions about things that they have no relationship with. Or as my kids say "whatever".

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I should also note that my father and family have a great love for the 12M's and were somewhat of a fixture in Newport (another sister lived there) during the cup years. Additionally, under our ownership Interpid/Windancer was used as an early trial horse for the CYC Buddy Melges, 12M syndicate. Those involved never seemed to mention any concern about the name. I guess the players had bigger things on their mind.

 

Hope I answered your question and that you can sleep better tonight. And again, I am very sorry we offended you.

Well said Sam. I sailed on the boat in early summer of 1985 in Chicago during a course race, with Eric and Scott, as they "got their feet wet" in 12m sailing before goiing on to design HoA.

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Amazing Potato.

 

With several boats nearing the finish line, the boat in the center, nearest the camera, was Moonraker (35119). Her owner was Nils Muench. DYC. This was not a Mac race.

I don't recall Moonraker's designer or length.

 

 

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I do believe this is from the One Tons held by Columbia Yacht Club July 1987. I think the boat in the lead is another Beneteau owned by Al Henning (R.I.P) named Poltergeist. His spinakers where always white with just a little red at the shoulders. I did enough time looking up at them whilst trimming them.

Indeed this is the '87 NA's. I think the lead boat w/red shouldered kite is Amazing Potato owned by Peggy & Lyn Comfort (the transom is J/N-ish). Also the Spuds had UK sails while the Geese had Sobstadts until the boat was purchased by Robin who then went w/UK.

 

Any other pics of the potato? Peg and Lyn were a blast to sail with. I joined the crew for a few regattas shortly after the NAs and did some bow and downwind driving. Lot's of fun.

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Amazing Potato. I did find this image . I will rely on the information provided by plumbean, JoeO, and Ike. Perhaps Robin or others will have comments to add.

 

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I once heard the story behind the name "Amazing Potato". Something to do with illegal substance use and the munchies. Can't remember the details.

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I once heard the story behind the name "Amazing Potato". Something to do with illegal substance use and the munchies. Can't remember the details.

It actually had to do with Vodka Drinks. As in "this is one amazing patato".

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Amazing Potato.

 

With several boats nearing the finish line, the boat in the center, nearest the camera, was Moonraker (35119). Her owner was Nils Muench. DYC. This was not a Mac race.

I don't recall Moonraker's designer or length.

 

 

Picture1-35.png

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I do believe this is from the One Tons held by Columbia Yacht Club July 1987. I think the boat in the lead is another Beneteau owned by Al Henning (R.I.P) named Poltergeist. His spinakers where always white with just a little red at the shoulders. I did enough time looking up at them whilst trimming them.

Indeed this is the '87 NA's. I think the lead boat w/red shouldered kite is Amazing Potato owned by Peggy & Lyn Comfort (the transom is J/N-ish). Also the Spuds had UK sails while the Geese had Sobstadts until the boat was purchased by Robin who then went w/UK.

 

Any other pics of the potato? Peg and Lyn were a blast to sail with. I joined the crew for a few regattas shortly after the NAs and did some bow and downwind driving. Lot's of fun.

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Amazing Potato. I did find this image . I will rely on the information provided by plumbean, JoeO, and Ike. Perhaps Robin or others will have comments to add.

 

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Sexy JN potatoe ! sistership of Espace du Désir (Mr Moureau) and Turquoise (Mr Jaffrezic), in old Europe i'm pretty sure.

Lary at what time you did this nice pic ?

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I've seen this boat!!!!

 

Metro Race Week at the BBYC, some 5-10 years ago, owner complaining that the kite got put up sideways, said he needed a new pit for some reason...

 

Slick boat, I was amazed at the amount of blocks, lines, cars and general hardware on the boat at the time (~11 years old)

 

HW

 

Amazing Potato.

 

With several boats nearing the finish line, the boat in the center, nearest the camera, was Moonraker (35119). Her owner was Nils Muench. DYC. This was not a Mac race.

I don't recall Moonraker's designer or length.

 

 

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I do believe this is from the One Tons held by Columbia Yacht Club July 1987. I think the boat in the lead is another Beneteau owned by Al Henning (R.I.P) named Poltergeist. His spinakers where always white with just a little red at the shoulders. I did enough time looking up at them whilst trimming them.

Indeed this is the '87 NA's. I think the lead boat w/red shouldered kite is Amazing Potato owned by Peggy & Lyn Comfort (the transom is J/N-ish). Also the Spuds had UK sails while the Geese had Sobstadts until the boat was purchased by Robin who then went w/UK.

 

Any other pics of the potato? Peg and Lyn were a blast to sail with. I joined the crew for a few regattas shortly after the NAs and did some bow and downwind driving. Lot's of fun.

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Amazing Potato. I did find this image . I will rely on the information provided by plumbean, JoeO, and Ike. Perhaps Robin or others will have comments to add.

 

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Huaso. M. Perkins, Coconut Grove FL. Frers 81. 1983 SORC, Class A, rated IOR 70.0 est.

 

 

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Huaso. M. Perkins, Coconut Grove FL. Frers 81. 1983 SORC, Class A, rated IOR 70.0 est.

 

Nice looking boat. What became of her?

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Huaso. M. Perkins, Coconut Grove FL. Frers 81. 1983 SORC, Class A, rated IOR 70.0 est.

 

Nice looking boat. What became of her?

 

I could be (probably am) wrong but I thought that was bought later by Bill Koch prior to building America Squared. I know he had a Frers Maxi beforehand, it was either this one or another that was owned by a maestro from Germany?

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Huaso. M. Perkins, Coconut Grove FL. Frers 81. 1983 SORC, Class A, rated IOR 70.0 est.

 

Nice looking boat. What became of her?

 

I believe she became one of the Boomerangs.

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Huaso. M. Perkins, Coconut Grove FL. Frers 81. 1983 SORC, Class A, rated IOR 70.0 est.

 

Nice looking boat. What became of her?

 

Bill Koch bought her and she became Matador, I think.

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Huaso. M. Perkins, Coconut Grove FL. Frers 81. 1983 SORC, Class A, rated IOR 70.0 est.

 

Nice looking boat. What became of her?

 

Bill Koch bought her and she became Matador, I think.

 

That's what my spidey sense was telling me too

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Huaso. M. Perkins, Coconut Grove FL. Frers 81. 1983 SORC, Class A, rated IOR 70.0 est.

 

Nice looking boat. What became of her?

 

I think it was matador in the '84 sorc. Dismasted in the last race, in nassau. The word was the rig had been fitted with load sensors. Runner winches, linked to the grinders, may have inadvertently pulled the rig down, but the load data was "lost".

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Indeed she became the first Matador. Beautifully built by Huisman in Vollenhove (as were several other Frers maxis of the time, including Flyer II and Helisara) then ruthlessly 'converted' from an ocean cruiser/racer into Matador. Every shred of the fine Huisman joinery was removed and replaced by an unprecedented array of electronics, including a full gyrocompass and so many B&G 20/20 readouts on deck that the continuing clatter of digits turning would wake anyone within miles.

 

The story has it that while the conversion was in process (in Florida?), Wolter Huisman himself arrived from Holland with a screwdriver, climbed onto the boat, and unscrewed the brass Huisman builders plaque. On being asked "WTF?" he apparently said: "This is mine. And that," pointing at the shell of the boat "is yours." With that, he went back to the airport and flew home.

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Indeed she became the first Matador. Beautifully built by Huisman in Vollenhove (as were several other Frers maxis of the time, including Flyer II and Helisara) then ruthlessly 'converted' from an ocean cruiser/racer into Matador. Every shred of the fine Huisman joinery was removed and replaced by an unprecedented array of electronics, including a full gyrocompass and so many B&G 20/20 readouts on deck that the continuing clatter of digits turning would wake anyone within miles.

 

The story has it that while the conversion was in process (in Florida?), Wolter Huisman himself arrived from Holland with a screwdriver, climbed onto the boat, and unscrewed the brass Huisman builders plaque. On being asked "WTF?" he apparently said: "This is mine. And that," pointing at the shell of the boat "is yours." With that, he went back to the airport and flew home.

 

Still the best thread going Larry!

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Indeed she became the first Matador. Beautifully built by Huisman in Vollenhove (as were several other Frers maxis of the time, including Flyer II and Helisara) then ruthlessly 'converted' from an ocean cruiser/racer into Matador. Every shred of the fine Huisman joinery was removed and replaced by an unprecedented array of electronics, including a full gyrocompass and so many B&G 20/20 readouts on deck that the continuing clatter of digits turning would wake anyone within miles.

 

The story has it that while the conversion was in process (in Florida?), Wolter Huisman himself arrived from Holland with a screwdriver, climbed onto the boat, and unscrewed the brass Huisman builders plaque. On being asked "WTF?" he apparently said: "This is mine. And that," pointing at the shell of the boat "is yours." With that, he went back to the airport and flew home.

 

 

All of that data gathering was part of the on-going design program that became Matador (2 [squared]).

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A potato is more than just food!

 

Perhaps both stories are true.

 

The story I heard was pretty mundane and involved actual potatoes. Can't vouch for its accuracy though, and certainly plenty of fun was had at times ...

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Matador 2:

 

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Looks like the Machine, pushing water

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Gotta love history

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Here's a boat I can't identify.

 

She may have sailed in NA One Ton regatta in Chicago, with Fair Lady, Poultergeist, et al.

Logo may say "Special .....[something]......."

I cannot remember name, but knew at one time.

Maybe I'll run across another photo that shows name better.

I thought perhaps some folks here could help us out. : )

 

I may go back through the thread and re-read some of the info there.

Perhaps this boat was mentioned earlier.

 

 

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Not a Long Island Sound boat that I remember. A number that starts in 42, would that be a Great Lakes boat? She is sexy though. You have to admit that the IOR had the best looking boats, bar none.

 

Sail number matches the now Great Lakes one-tonner Spitfire.

 

Yep, but I'm not sure it's the same boat. See here: http://www.christoph...53951&k=ZHsMcvp

 

Looks like a slightly different rig. Another results site (Anchorage Yacht Club, Lake Forest, Il) has the current boat as a Franklin 40. It's too close not be the same hull, especially with that sail number.

 

If I am correct is the the X1 tonner that came to Lake Ontario - Something Extra if I remeber correctly - owned by a guy from National Yacht club...

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I may not have this 100% right but I believe Something Extra was a Carter 1/2 or 3/4 sailed out of RCYC by the Bowman family.

 

If I recall, the X 1-ton on Lake Ontario was originally called Bankrupt and may have been from NYC. It was later called Take Notice and sailed out of Bronte. It arrived in Hamilton this summer, now called Take Notice Again.

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Excuse my ignorance but what was it about Matador2 which made her so devastatingly fast?

 

 

Really heavy, so it could carry more sail, very powerful, he built the boat into the corner of the design. He did the same thing with the A Cube AC boats, thin and really stiff, used ballast for stability rather than hull shape. Was the only boat like that in the '92 Cup.

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Here's a boat I can't identify.

 

She may have sailed in NA One Ton regatta in Chicago, with Fair Lady, Poultergeist, et al.

Logo may say "Special .....[something]......."

I cannot remember name, but knew at one time.

Maybe I'll run across another photo that shows name better.

I thought perhaps some folks here could help us out. : )

 

I may go back through the thread and re-read some of the info there.

Perhaps this boat was mentioned earlier.

 

 

Special-------Sail-No-42252_zpsf34cb69a.jpg

 

 

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Not a Long Island Sound boat that I remember. A number that starts in 42, would that be a Great Lakes boat? She is sexy though. You have to admit that the IOR had the best looking boats, bar none.

 

Sail number matches the now Great Lakes one-tonner Spitfire.

 

Yep, but I'm not sure it's the same boat. See here: http://www.christoph...53951&k=ZHsMcvp

 

Looks like a slightly different rig. Another results site (Anchorage Yacht Club, Lake Forest, Il) has the current boat as a Franklin 40. It's too close not be the same hull, especially with that sail number.

 

If I am correct is the the X1 tonner that came to Lake Ontario - Something Extra if I remeber correctly - owned by a guy from National Yacht club...

 

Read on to the posts after this one ^. This is a G&S Designed One Tonner named Spitfire (and still is) that was built by Franklin Yachts in NZ.

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Photographers spend a lot of time far from the action.

Still, almost 30 years later, documentary photos like this bring back memories.

Were you in Newport in 1983? Maybe you have old pics.

 

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1983 America's Cup Finals, Newport RI.

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I may not have this 100% right but I believe Something Extra was a Carter 1/2 or 3/4 sailed out of RCYC by the Bowman family.

 

If I recall, the X 1-ton on Lake Ontario was originally called Bankrupt and may have been from NYC. It was later called Take Notice and sailed out of Bronte. It arrived in Hamilton this summer, now called Take Notice Again.

 

Yes, It was the X1-ton Bankrupt. I knew the X-Yachts dealer in Oakville when it was new. By NYC you mean National Yacht Club not New York City I guess?

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I may not have this 100% right but I believe Something Extra was a Carter 1/2 or 3/4 sailed out of RCYC by the Bowman family.

 

If I recall, the X 1-ton on Lake Ontario was originally called Bankrupt and may have been from NYC. It was later called Take Notice and sailed out of Bronte. It arrived in Hamilton this summer, now called Take Notice Again.

 

Something Extra was, IIRC a Carter Texas One Ton. Sailed against it a bit.

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I may not have this 100% right but I believe Something Extra was a Carter 1/2 or 3/4 sailed out of RCYC by the Bowman family.

 

If I recall, the X 1-ton on Lake Ontario was originally called Bankrupt and may have been from NYC. It was later called Take Notice and sailed out of Bronte. It arrived in Hamilton this summer, now called Take Notice Again.

 

Something Extra was, IIRC a Carter Texas One Ton. Sailed against it a bit.

MKF might be thinking about an X 1-Ton that was on Lake Michigan called Special X?

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what was it about Matador2 which made her so devastatingly fast?

 

 

Really heavy, so it could carry more sail, very powerful, he built the boat into the corner of the design. He did the same thing with the A Cube AC boats, thin and really stiff, used ballast for stability rather than hull shape. Was the only boat like that in the '92 Cup.

 

In general, when box rules run their course, after a few interations they pretty much all end up being upwind machines. That's where most of your time is spent on the race course; may as well optimize for that point of sail.

 

People are always designing and building specialty boats, but if it's going to be course racing, in the end, upwind speed wins the trophy.

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I may not have this 100% right but I believe Something Extra was a Carter 1/2 or 3/4 sailed out of RCYC by the Bowman family.

 

If I recall, the X 1-ton on Lake Ontario was originally called Bankrupt and may have been from NYC. It was later called Take Notice and sailed out of Bronte. It arrived in Hamilton this summer, now called Take Notice Again.

 

After it was called "Bankrupt" it was "Black Night" and sailed out of Windsor. My brother was the main trimmer on it at that time. He did a bunch of Bayview- Macs on it.

It was repo'd by the bank after the owner's business went bust.

I saw it a Bronte in the late 90's and it was in pretty sad shape, pink stripes and all.

Glad to see she's been restored.

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Condor. Robert Bell. KB-80, Bermuda. Holland 80. 1983 SORC, Miami to Nassau Race. Class A, rated IOR 69.5.

 

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Arbitrage. 1987, in Chicago.

 

 

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Arbitrage is still Arbitrage (or Harbortrash, depending). It went from blue with white letters and bootstripes to white with blue letters and bootstripes. It first raced out of Duluth, and has been on the hard in Bayfield for the last several years, although prior to that a lot of hard work was done to beef up the dodgy build bits. This is all to the best of my knowledge, I know there are others here who know more....

 

Anyway, your typical tweaky, noodle-rigged fracy late IOR yacht....

 

Arbitrage is currently in Duluth, MN. the owner has put a bunch of work into it and made it raceable again, although the spinnaker in the picture is still being used!

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and Sevrige:

 

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Is that really the backstay behind the crossbar of the lift?

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Looks like a checkstay. Seems like a pain to de-rig then re-rig just to get the travel lift in there. Good drugs maaaan.

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and Sevrige:

 

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Is that really the backstay behind the crossbar of the lift?

Check and back stay are both rigged

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So?

 

You don't want your expensive 12m rig wobbling around all over the sky when the spotty youth driving that old square-wheeled travelift hits the boatyard pothole.

 

Normal practice.

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I may not have this 100% right but I believe Something Extra was a Carter 1/2 or 3/4 sailed out of RCYC by the Bowman family.

 

If I recall, the X 1-ton on Lake Ontario was originally called Bankrupt and may have been from NYC. It was later called Take Notice and sailed out of Bronte. It arrived in Hamilton this summer, now called Take Notice Again.

 

Something Extra was, IIRC a Carter Texas One Ton. Sailed against it a bit.

 

yup....we nick named her "nothing special"

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Insight. Ben H. Garrett. Largo FL. Nelson-Marek 36. 1983 SORC Class F, rated IOR 28.3. St. Petersburg to Ft. Lauderdale Race.

 

 

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Condor. Robert Bell. KB-80, Bermuda. Holland 80. 1983 SORC, Miami to Nassau Race. Class A, rated IOR 69.5.

 

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there was a great shot of the above Condor in full broach mode, can't find it anywhere though...

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Anybody know what happened to the Holland 41 "Redeye" from the early 80's Macs?

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Looks like a checkstay. Seems like a pain to de-rig then re-rig just to get the travel lift in there. Good drugs maaaan.

 

In line shrouds.

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Ranger at Columbia YC docks.

 

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Ranger! Yes another C&C 61. I had forgotten about that one. Sassy/Brassy, Joli/Triumph/Joli, Sorcery, Ranger. Were there any others?

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Cadence. Theodore Reese, CYC. C&C 52. 1983 Chicago to Mackinac Race, IOR Section 1, rated 42.3.

 

 

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Ranger! Yes another C&C 61. I had forgotten about that one. Sassy/Brassy, Joli/Triumph/Joli, Sorcery, Ranger. Were there any others?

 

I sailed on one called Robon, it was chartered by the Morton family and renamed Brigadoon, did some sailing in Narragansett Bay, Annapolis and the Bermuda Race, all in mid-70's?

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To celebrate my 70th birthday today, I'll post one of my finest photos of Liberty.

 

 

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