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Today I received instructions from SA to start a new thread since the old one has gotten so long.

 

I'm thinking we can still quote from pages in the old thread, which might bring some photos forward. I have a few more to add as well. : )

 

Here's a link to Page 1 of 34 in the old thread which is now locked. ••• http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=113336&st=0

 

Here's a link to Page 34 of 34 in the old thread which is now locked. ••• http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=113336&st=3300

 

Please post any further comments to this new thread.

 

 

 

Victory. Victor J. (and Linda) Cribb. Homestead FL. Frers 48. 1983 SORC Class B, rated IOR 36.1. Miami to Nassau Race.

 

 

 

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I believe the boat ahead was Artemis, Sail No 31105.

 

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zvikings...

 

I'm not sure I have any photos of Rogue, but don't believe so.

 

Which boats did you and your dad race aboard?

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Today I received instructions from SA to start a new thread since the old one has gotten so long.

 

I'm thinking we can still quote from pages in the old thread, which might bring some photos forward. I have a few more to add as well. : )

 

Here's a link to Page 1 of 34 in the old thread which is now locked. ••• http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=113336&st=0

 

Here's a link to Page 34 of 34 in the old thread which is now locked. ••• http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=113336&st=3300

 

Please post any further comments to this new thread.

 

 

 

Victory. Victor J. (and Linda) Cribb. Homestead FL. Frers 48. 1983 SORC Class B, rated IOR 36.1. Miami to Nassau Race.

 

 

 

Picture8-1.png

 

 

I believe the boat ahead was Artemis, Sail No 31105.

 

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Think those Dacron Sails were stretchy? Pretty round for a hvy/2 or a reacher for that matter.....

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Victory. ... snip for brevity ...

 

 

Larry- once again, a million thanks. This is beyond awesome to see

 

 

 

Think those Dacron Sails were stretchy? Pretty round for a hvy/2 or a reacher for that matter.....

 

I was thinking, crank some more backstay on that puppy. But yeah that old-timey stuff is stretchy.

 

FB- Doug

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Today I received instructions from SA to start a new thread since the old one has gotten so long.

 

I'm thinking we can still quote from pages in the old thread, which might bring some photos forward. I have a few more to add as well. : )

 

Here's a link to Page 1 of 34 in the old thread which is now locked. ••• http://forums.sailin...pic=113336&st=0

 

Here's a link to Page 34 of 34 in the old thread which is now locked. ••• http://forums.sailin...=113336&st=3300

 

Please post any further comments to this new thread.

 

 

 

Victory. Victor J. (and Linda) Cribb. Homestead FL. Frers 48. 1983 SORC Class B, rated IOR 36.1. Miami to Nassau Race.

 

 

 

Picture8-1.png

 

 

I believe the boat ahead was Artemis, Sail No 31105.

 

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Think those Dacron Sails were stretchy? Pretty round for a hvy/2 or a reacher for that matter.....

 

Main looks a little short on the hoist and foot.

 

One of Robbie's early designs maybe?

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So sad to be missing all the old threads PICS...anyway to gain access...Larry it is wonderful what you are doing here.

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Start a new thread this ones too long! Well that's a first...BEST THREAD EVER! Thanks Larry!

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Today I received instructions from SA to start a new thread since the old one has gotten so long.

 

I'm thinking we can still quote from pages in the old thread, which might bring some photos forward. I have a few more to add as well. : )

 

Here's a link to Page 1 of 34 in the old thread which is now locked. ••• http://forums.sailin...pic=113336&st=0

 

Here's a link to Page 34 of 34 in the old thread which is now locked. ••• http://forums.sailin...=113336&st=3300

 

Please post any further comments to this new thread.

 

 

 

Victory. Victor J. (and Linda) Cribb. Homestead FL. Frers 48. 1983 SORC Class B, rated IOR 36.1. Miami to Nassau Race.

 

 

 

Picture8-1.png

 

 

I believe the boat ahead was Artemis, Sail No 31105.

 

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Think those Dacron Sails were stretchy? Pretty round for a hvy/2 or a reacher for that matter.....

 

Main looks a little short on the hoist and foot.

 

One of Robbie's early designs maybe?

I think this sail may actually be reefed. On of the advantages of dacron was you could really strap it down to the boom when reefing. The "black" band hoist is low on the mast anyhow because of the IOR rating but this does appear to be in the first reef position.

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Today I received instructions from SA to start a new thread since the old one has gotten so long.

 

I'm thinking we can still quote from pages in the old thread, which might bring some photos forward. I have a few more to add as well. : )

 

Here's a link to Page 1 of 34 in the old thread which is now locked. ••• http://forums.sailin...pic=113336&st=0

 

Here's a link to Page 34 of 34 in the old thread which is now locked. ••• http://forums.sailin...=113336&st=3300

 

Please post any further comments to this new thread.

 

 

Victory. Victor J. (and Linda) Cribb. Homestead FL. Frers 48. 1983 SORC Class B, rated IOR 36.1. Miami to Nassau Race.

 

 

 

Picture8-1.png

 

 

I believe the boat ahead was Artemis, Sail No 31105.

 

.

 

Think those Dacron Sails were stretchy? Pretty round for a hvy/2 or a reacher for that matter.....

 

Main looks a little short on the hoist and foot.

 

One of Robbie's early designs maybe?

I think this sail may actually be reefed. On of the advantages of dacron was you could really strap it down to the boom when reefing. The "black" band hoist is low on the mast anyhow because of the IOR rating but this does appear to be in the first reef position.

 

reefed for sure, the bottom batten is almost at the clew and you can see the roll of the bottom section of the main just off the starboard end of the boom.

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Hi Larry,

 

Isn't it time there was a "classic threads" place? For threads like your original?

 

Thanks for sharing your stuff.

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Yes, a single reef and a BR - typical IOR setup. I was going for a cross-thread joke.

 

Tough crowd.

 

I got that, just not sure that 95% of the people on the other thread wouldn't have hopped on and started bashing Doyle again.....

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Insight. Ben H. Garrett. Largo FL. Nelson-Marek 36. 1983 SORC Class F, rated IOR 28.3. St. Petersburg to Ft. Lauderdale Race.

 

 

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Circus Maximus in all her glory !post-32003-012154300 1308248283_thumb.jpg

 

Oh, there's a boat in the background...

 

 

Oh yeah, you're right. I see it now. Nice yellow spinnaker.

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Mistral. William R. Jacobs, Waukegan YC. Peterson 34. 1980 Chicago to Mackinac Race. IOR Section 5.

 

 

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Circus Maximus in all her glory !post-32003-012154300 1308248283_thumb.jpg

 

I didn't know Farrah Fawcett was into sailing........

Apparently she was......

 

Mmmm......

 

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Larry:

 

Any images of Cats Paw, I think a Serendipity 43 out of the Annapolis area from the 80's? Ed passed away a little while ago and we were just talking about him the other day.

 

Thanks for some great reminders of past sailing.

 

ars

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Larry:

 

Any images of Cats Paw, I think a Serendipity 43 out of the Annapolis area from the 80's? Ed passed away a little while ago and we were just talking about him the other day.

 

Thanks for some great reminders of past sailing.

 

ars

 

Wasn't the boat named "That Cat"?

 

Thanks,

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Insight in preceding photo looks like a Morgan 36 NM when they were trying to build race boats.

That is definitely the Morgan build of the N/M 36. Interesting that it has the race rig (3 spreaders) but the cruising cockpit.

 

Larry, do you have any more photos of the '83 Morgan N/M 36's? They are excellent boats that still are performing at the top of their fleets.

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Insight in preceding photo looks like a Morgan 36 NM when they were trying to build race boats.

That is definitely the Morgan build of the N/M 36. Interesting that it has the race rig (3 spreaders) but the cruising cockpit.

 

Larry, do you have any more photos of the '83 Morgan N/M 36's? They are excellent boats that still are performing at the top of their fleets.

 

 

 

Sailed against Insight in the northern gulf coast many times over the years. Can't remember her hometown, but she was always at the big regattas. I always likes the lines on her.

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Larry:

 

Any images of Cats Paw, I think a Serendipity 43 out of the Annapolis area from the 80's? Ed passed away a little while ago and we were just talking about him the other day.

 

Thanks for some great reminders of past sailing.

 

ars

 

Wasn't the boat named "That Cat"?

 

Thanks,

 

 

"That Cat" for sure, I did the '86 SORC with Ed & Betty. Sorry to hear he's gone.

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Are you certain? There was a boat of that name (IIRC) that was a sistership to 'SECRET LOVE', a Peterson 45.Black hull, maybe? Pictured earlier in this thread.

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Wunder Bear. Clarence Blackwell. AYC. CHT 48. Storm Trysail Week 1983, Block Island RI. IOR Class 1, rated 38.2.

 

 

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What does CHT mean? I found the scratch sheet for 1983 STW, but it only has abbreviations for designers.

 

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Wunder Bear. Clarence Blackwell. AYC. CHT 48. Storm Trysail Week 1983, Block Island RI. IOR Class 1, rated 38.2.

 

 

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What does CHT mean? I found the scratch sheet for 1983 STW, but it only has abbreviations for designers.

 

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It means Choate as in Choate 40.

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Thanks, House Salad. : )

I've updated my scratch sheet.

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VERY flat sails.

 

My initial thought too as I looked at the pic. not a bit of draft anywhere to be seen. At least not on the Genny. We usually didn't sheet that tight unless it was blowing a lot harder than what that pic shows.

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Infinity. John Thomson. Storm Trysail Club. Holland 47. 1983 SORC Class B, rated IOR 36.2. Miami to Nassau Race.

 

 

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Infinity. John Thomson. Storm Trysail Club. Holland 47. 1983 SORC Class B, rated IOR 36.2. Miami to Nassau Race.

 

 

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So much prettier than today's IRC boats. Downright sexy.

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Condor. 1983 SORC. Holland 80 (per scratch sheet.) Class A, rated 69.5. St. Petersburg to Ft. Lauderdale Race.

 

 

 

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post-34421-070182600 1308832068_thumb.jpg Here's the legend of lake Ontario, Bonaventure V with a list of C&C Custom achievements back when boats were not dinghys blown up with a cad/cam programme into ugliness personified. The good old days.

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Condor. 1983 SORC. Holland 80 (per scratch sheet.) Class A, rated 69.5. St. Petersburg to Ft. Lauderdale Race.

 

 

 

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I don't know if it's the camera angle, but that looks like an enormous mast height/LOA ratio. Big Stick looks twice the length of the boat

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Not sure which was the worst job on these things, getting the chute down in a blow or bouncing the bloody things up those masts while tearing pieces out of your hands on the wire halyards....

 

The longer ago it was the more fun it seemed!!!!

 

I must be getting old.

 

TUBBY

 

 

 

 

The chute boggles the mind. It could yank that boat over like a toy.

 

 

 

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Thanks Larry absolutely great stuff.

 

We would run into and race against Condor later in '83 in Australia. Those big kits were ground up and down, then about 20 minutes of packing down below. Yeah, ...... and wire everything everywhere.

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VERY flat sails.

 

My initial thought too as I looked at the pic. not a bit of draft anywhere to be seen. At least not on the Genny. We usually didn't sheet that tight unless it was blowing a lot harder than what that pic shows.

 

I was being kind. Both sails were seriously oversheeted. Look at the vertical creases through the middle of the main and how tight the foot of the jib is. Check the bottom two seams coming off the forestay. The wind in the pic looks only about 7 or 8 knots.

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The chute boggles the mind. It could yank that boat over like a toy.

 

 

There's a bit of optical illusion going on there Ajax. The boat was definitely 80ft and the mast was probably about 120ft.

 

Anyone know Condor's mast height ?

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The chute boggles the mind. It could yank that boat over like a toy.

 

 

There's a bit of optical illusion going on there Ajax. The boat was definitely 80ft and the mast was probably about 120ft.

 

Anyone know Condor's mast height ?

 

Ancient memory says 110ish?

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The chute boggles the mind. It could yank that boat over like a toy.

Anyone know Condor's mast height ?

Ancient memory says 110ish?

 

Prob'ly about right. If I recall correcly, mainsail luff ("P") was usually around 105 feet on the maxis.

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In any event, it was a long way up at night offshore, to un-cross halyards after too many peels. Happy days.

 

Bump.

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In any event, it was a long way up at night offshore, to un-cross halyards after too many peels. Happy days.

 

Heh. I got to "enjoy" a round-down/pole-in-the-water/crash-gibe while at the masthead of a pocket-maxi, once. that was an "interesting" few minutes... more than enough time to ponder whether or not spiking myself off the halyard would be a good idea if the rig broke somewhere below me...

 

Yeah, good times :-0

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Victory. 1983 SORC. Miami to Nassau Race.

 

 

 

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With several boats nearing the finish line, the boat in the center, nearest the camera, was Moonraker (35119). Her owner was Nils Muench. DYC. This was not a Mac race.

I don't recall Moonraker's designer or length.

 

 

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Moonraker. Nils Muench. DYC. Erickson 39 (I believe, though Erickson 39 brings Panache to mind.)

Perhaps Moonraker was of a later design; she looks like a more radical racing design.

Maybe you guys can fill us in.

 

 

Moonraker900.png

 

 

 

Oh, I found this link. Look for Moonraker. She won quite a few awards.

 

http://www.chicagoyachtclub.org/%5Cattachments%2FRaceResults%2F20100818091702McClurg-Trophy_Winners.pdf

 

 

Perhaps somebody can tell us about the red 'M' near her bow.

 

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The Moonraker in the pic should be a Beneteu Oneton. Think she was for sale on yachtworl a couple of months ago.

Kind regards

 

 

Moonraker. Nils Muench. DYC. Erickson 39 (I believe, though Erickson 39 brings Panache to mind.)

Perhaps Moonraker was of a later design; she looks like a more radical racing design.

Maybe you guys can fill us in.

 

 

Moonraker900.png

 

 

 

Oh, I found this link. Look for Moonraker. She won quite a few awards.

 

http://www.chicagoya...phy_Winners.pdf

 

 

Perhaps somebody can tell us about the red 'M' near her bow.

 

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Great. Thanks, ood... : )

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Moonraker. Nils Muench. DYC. Erickson 39 (I believe, though Erickson 39 brings Panache to mind.)

Perhaps Moonraker was of a later design; she looks like a more radical racing design.

Maybe you guys can fill us in.

 

 

Moonraker900.png

 

 

 

Oh, I found this link. Look for Moonraker. She won quite a few awards.

 

http://www.chicagoyachtclub.org/%5Cattachments%2FRaceResults%2F20100818091702McClurg-Trophy_Winners.pdf

 

 

Perhaps somebody can tell us about the red 'M' near her bow.

 

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Nils was a great owner. Complete character and a lot of fun on any boat. He would design his own sails and have the sailmaker build to his specs. A couple of complete failures but generally okay shapes. Nils was one of those classic Detroit owners when Detroit was still a sailing hotspot.

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I acknowledge Beneteau 40 from Fauroux/Finot French naval architect.

Sister ship or new name of Phenix sold in US on that time, sistership too of "Coyote" owner B.Troublé.

 

 

The Moonraker in the pic should be a Beneteu Oneton. Think she was for sale on yachtworl a couple of months ago.

Kind regards

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The first Moonraker was an Erickson, complete with a curve painted along the side where she should sit when heeling at the optimal angle. Light gray boat with blue striping. Definitely not the boat in the picture!

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MOONRAKER in Larry's photo - Beneteau One Ton IOR

 

My understanding of the history of this boat.... (please correct, or add)

 

Designer: Barret/Fauraux/Finot

Builder: Beneteau France

1984

 

12 were built and several were raced (quite successfully) by France in the (84?) Admiral's Cup. Half of them were packed up and shipped to the US to kickstart Beneteau's entry into racing markets in North America.

 

1) Fair Lady was sent to Detroit where its name was changed to Moonraker. She was fairly prominent in the Detroit fleet. She was recently sold and is now racing in San Diego.

 

2) Coyote was sent to San Francisco and she was also quite visible in the San Francisco racing scene (B. Trouble?!?). Now located in Hawaii...

 

3) Advantage was sent to Detroit/Chicago. Was less successful than Moonraker

 

4) Air Mail sent to Chesapeake B. were she is still raced today

 

5) God Speed (possibly this boat formerly had name Glory?!?!) now located in Texas (and is currently listed in the SA Classifieds)

 

Any more info on these boats would be much appreciated!!

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I believe Irv Loube(Bravura) had the Coyote when she was on SF bay.

 

MOONRAKER in Larry's photo - Beneteau One Ton IOR

 

My understanding of the history of this boat.... (please correct, or add)

 

Designer: Barret/Fauraux/Finot

Builder: Beneteau France

1984

 

12 were built and several were raced (quite successfully) by France in the (84?) Admiral's Cup. Half of them were packed up and shipped to the US to kickstart Beneteau's entry into racing markets in North America.

 

1) Fair Lady was sent to Detroit where its name was changed to Moonraker. She was fairly prominent in the Detroit fleet. She was recently sold and is now racing in San Diego.

 

2) Coyote was sent to San Francisco and she was also quite visible in the San Francisco racing scene (B. Trouble?!?). Now located in Hawaii...

 

3) Advantage was sent to Detroit/Chicago. Was less successful than Moonraker

 

4) Air Mail sent to Chesapeake B. were she is still raced today

 

5) God Speed (possibly this boat formerly had name Glory?!?!) now located in Texas (and is currently listed in the SA Classifieds)

 

Any more info on these boats would be much appreciated!!

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Intuition. Peterson 42. 1984 SORC. Patrick Malloy. Sag Harbor NY. 1984 SORC Class D, rated IOR 32.7. St. Petersburg to Ft. Lauderdale Race.

 

 

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In '87, the one-tonner JAMARELLA was Stark's 2nd boat named RUSH and was nearly top boat in the Admiral's Cup that year. Ralfie sailed on it in England and then came across the pond with her. This is how he came to meet his wife of many years, Stark's then girlfriend Jamie.

 

http://www.farrdesign.com/1983-1989.html

 

Stark's first RUSH was the J-41ex-SMILES pictured in Larry's old thread.

 

A later JAMARELLA was top AC boat in '89

 

http://www.cruiser-racer.com/comu/vaixell.php?ship_id=0000000055〈=

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Moonraker. Nils Muench. DYC. Erickson 39 (I believe, though Erickson 39 brings Panache to mind.)

Perhaps Moonraker was of a later design; she looks like a more radical racing design.

Maybe you guys can fill us in.

 

 

Perhaps somebody can tell us about the red 'M' near her bow.

 

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M was most likely the bow number from/during the 1987 One Ton NAs in Chicago.

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The first Moonraker was an Erickson, complete with a curve painted along the side where she should sit when heeling at the optimal angle. Light gray boat with blue striping. Definitely not the boat in the picture!

 

She is now located at the Navy Sailing Club in the south bay of San Diego. smile.gif

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MOONRAKER in Larry's photo - Beneteau One Ton IOR

 

My understanding of the history of this boat.... (please correct, or add)

 

Designer: Barret/Fauraux/Finot

Builder: Beneteau France

1984

 

12 were built and several were raced (quite successfully) by France in the (84?) Admiral's Cup. Half of them were packed up and shipped to the US to kickstart Beneteau's entry into racing markets in North America.

 

1) Fair Lady was sent to Detroit where its name was changed to Moonraker. She was fairly prominent in the Detroit fleet. She was recently sold and is now racing in San Diego.

 

2) Coyote was sent to San Francisco and she was also quite visible in the San Francisco racing scene (B. Trouble?!?). Now located in Hawaii...

 

3) Advantage was sent to Detroit/Chicago. Was less successful than Moonraker

 

4) Air Mail sent to Chesapeake B. were she is still raced today

 

5) God Speed (possibly this boat formerly had name Glory?!?!) now located in Texas (and is currently listed in the SA Classifieds)

 

Any more info on these boats would be much appreciated!!

 

Advantage wasn't the full-on racing version that Moonraker was--she had a closed transom and usable interior.

 

Raced against Nils for several years--he was good at getting young sailors into big boat racing.

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With several boats nearing the finish line, the boat in the center, nearest the camera, was Moonraker (35119). Her owner was Nils Muench. DYC. This was not a Mac race.

I don't recall Moonraker's designer or length.

 

 

Picture1-35.png

 

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I do believe this is from the One Tons held by Columbia Yacht Club July 1987. I think the boat in the lead is another Beneteau owned by Al Henning (R.I.P) named Poltergeist. His spinakers where always white with just a little red at the shoulders. I did enough time looking up at them whilst trimming them.

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Are you one of these guys? Poultergeist at Columbia docks, pre-Mac.

 

 

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Poultergeist. This main reminded me of the Hancock Building. Sorry for the blurry pic.

 

 

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Unfortunately I missed that one but thanks for posting the pic's. I know alot of the former crew monitor this post so they will enjoy! Thanks Larry for sharing ALL of the great photo's!!!

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1) Fair Lady was sent to Detroit where its name was changed to Moonraker. She was fairly prominent in the Detroit fleet. She was recently sold and is now racing in San Diego.

 

 

Fair Lady was the first of the Benateau 1-Tons to arrive in Detrioit, Moonraker was the second. They both raced against Poltergeist and Coyote at the '87 NA's.

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Coyote is right now at Marseille vieux port and never went in US.... as far as i know May be a sister name ? (I'm talkin about the grey then black painted1Ton Beneteau, AC with B.Troublé, 84)

 

Architects : Berret, Fauroux, Finot :)

 

 

MOONRAKER in Larry's photo - Beneteau One Ton IOR

 

My understanding of the history of this boat.... (please correct, or add)

 

Designer: Barret/Fauraux/Finot

Builder: Beneteau France

1984

 

 

2) Coyote was sent to San Francisco and she was also quite visible in the San Francisco racing scene (B. Trouble?!?). Now located in Hawaii...

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Coyote is right now at Marseille vieux port and never went in US.... as far as i know May be a sister name ? (I'm talkin about the grey then black painted1Ton Beneteau, AC with B.Troublé, 84)

 

Architects : Berret, Fauroux, Finot :)

 

 

attched coyote AC 84

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With several boats nearing the finish line, the boat in the center, nearest the camera, was Moonraker (35119). Her owner was Nils Muench. DYC. This was not a Mac race.

I don't recall Moonraker's designer or length.

 

 

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I do believe this is from the One Tons held by Columbia Yacht Club July 1987. I think the boat in the lead is another Beneteau owned by Al Henning (R.I.P) named Poltergeist. His spinakers where always white with just a little red at the shoulders. I did enough time looking up at them whilst trimming them.

Indeed this is the '87 NA's. I think the lead boat w/red shouldered kite is Amazing Potato owned by Peggy & Lyn Comfort (the transom is J/N-ish). Also the Spuds had UK sails while the Geese had Sobstadts until the boat was purchased by Robin who then went w/UK.

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With several boats nearing the finish line, the boat in the center, nearest the camera, was Moonraker (35119). Her owner was Nils Muench. DYC. This was not a Mac race.

I don't recall Moonraker's designer or length.

 

 

Picture1-35.png

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I do believe this is from the One Tons held by Columbia Yacht Club July 1987. I think the boat in the lead is another Beneteau owned by Al Henning (R.I.P) named Poltergeist. His spinakers where always white with just a little red at the shoulders. I did enough time looking up at them whilst trimming them.

Indeed this is the '87 NA's. I think the lead boat w/red shouldered kite is Amazing Potato owned by Peggy & Lyn Comfort (the transom is J/N-ish). Also the Spuds had UK sails while the Geese had Sobstadts until the boat was purchased by Robin who then went w/UK.

Now we need the shot of Sudpackt. (sp?) and all that camo!

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This was Joel Billens, regular crew aboard Al Henning's Poultergeist. Great guy.

I read that Joel passed away some months ago. RIP, Joel.

 

 

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