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Looking for advise on buying a Henderson 30 or other possible contender.

Cheers

 

 

I still like my Hendo a lot. Had it for eleven seasons and still having fun. You can PM me if you have any questions.

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Contenders and Henderson 30s are both nice but pretty different. Do you want to sail solo or with friends?

 

It looks like the contenders just had their worlds. 144 boats.

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Sorry for the confusion , "contender" meaning better boat for the dollar , Cheers

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I don't know if it's still available, but there was one for sail called Bad Kitty in Ottawa. There is two in Sarnia as well, you should reach out to the Doyle Boston loft there and ask some questions.

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Hey KIWI,

Got your PM and PM from a few others, so I figured I'd post here. The answer to your question on how the boats are holding up follows. These boats are holding up amazingly well. I have put over 15000 NM on the boat in the last 10 years with no major problems to report. The only ongoing issue I have had is with the rudder bearings. It appears to me that the rudder bearings were not quite up to the job initially. The problem is that the races are made of gelcoated fiberglass. Over time you wear through the gelcoat and into the fiberglass wth the balls in the race and eventually get mechanical binding. About every three years I have had to do some work on the races. I have used West System epoxy with graphite additive to do the repairs. I recently have switched from the graphite filler to 404, High density adhesive for a filler. This is working great and I think with the hardness of this product I might have come up with a much longer term fix. Other than the bearing issue there is no major issues. We don't even have much spider web cracking of gelcoat. It is pretty amazing.

 

You also wanted to know about the ability to pick up the keel coming in and out of the marina. WE do this every time we sail. We pick up the keel 4' and secure it with the clam shells that come with the boat every time we return to the marina. The boat CANNOT be sailed with the keel up and should only be lifted in fairly calm (less than 1') waves. Until the clam shell clamps are in place the keel will dance around in waves. Most of the boats came with an electric hoist. It must be rigged every time you lift the keel. It takes about 5 minutes for us to rig the keel lifting gear. CAUTION!! We replace our keel lifting cable annually.

 

If you plan to do road trips with the boat it trailers great. Again there is two versions out there. Some of the boats have an extra set of clam shells and can pull the keel up 6' and this makes the boat ramp launchable. This is what we have. The mast can be raised and lowered without assistance if desired. It isn;t bad lowering the mast with four people, but it is tough raising it. We have added a portable gin pole that we carry with us and we can move around to various places and be self sufficent. The boat single point lifts well. It does come up nose heavy so you will need a strap from the lifting straps to the bow.

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The Hendo does like rail meat but can be sailed well with normal crew sizes. I have sailed and done well against fully crewed boats in less than 10 Kts with three people. I have sailed in around the buoy races with winds in the high teens with 5 and done well but it is a challenge. We did a CHI/MAC last year with a crew of five. We went upwind for twenty hours with winds around twenty kts. We hung with the competition during this time though we were pretty happy when the wind eased. But in general we sail with seven or eight people. None of our crew are 200 #ers. With a seven person crew, upwind we carry a #1 till about 13 KTS. With a nine person crew we carry it to abot 15 kts. We carry a #3 with a seven person crew till about 20 kts, and a #4 till about 25. Over 25 kts of air upwind and the main is reefed. The boat doesn't sail that well with a reefed main. Above 30 kts at times we have sailed without a main. We just haven't figured out a good setup yet for these windspeeds.

 

Runners: PITA, but they are a gas pedal for the boat

 

Downwind..........:):D:lol:

 

 

I don't have a lot of experience with the Hendos but based on my limited number of sails, they are fun and fast and can be really competitive with like-rated boats. They also need like 11 people to keep them flat, they need a main trimmer who knows what they're doing - no, I know all boats need that but no boat I've been on has been so completely steered by the main as the H30, probably because of the size and shape of the rudder it doesn't give you much forgiveness, and runners are a PITA in my opinion. However, they are definitely fast. I like their responsiveness, and when they're planing they are insanely sweet. There are two in the Boston area and they *seem* to sail pretty well to their rating, most of the time.

 

My biggest concern would always be getting the 10+ people each week to keep it going. It's only 5' longer than my Elliott and needs twice the crew to be competitive.

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I regret selling mine. We use to race with 7 or 8 onboard and felt pretty competitive. Runners "a must" for upwind performance. Going downwind a fun, fast boat. As soon as I can sell my current boat I will looking forward to buy a Hendo again.

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I have been racing on them in Southern California for years.

 

Need a lot of crew.

Have Runners

Wet offshore

Sort of outdated design (crush them with the Tiger)

 

Buddy of mine is selling his right now. They took it in the Cabo race and have done really well around Southern California. Super fun boats with the right crew but it takes people knowing what they are doing, plus a bunch of people to hold the boats down.

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compare it with the FT10.... Eerie crews on one when he isn't using his Hendo or they are going head to head

 

FT 10 is still in production, current design, no runners, get by with less crew,

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I' have lost a few races to the Tigers..........yet to be crushed:D . About the best thrashing I've had by a Tiger was a few years ago in a 140 NM race . The Tiger with the big bulb compared to the Hendo, and the extra waterline and a big determined crew out jib reached us for 120 of those miles. They went about .i kts faster to finish about 2.5 NM ahead. I have sailed both Tigers and Hendo's in Mac races and Lauderdale to KW. Neither is compared with sailing in a motorhome. It would best be compared with backpacking along a rough trail.

 

I have been racing on them in Southern California for years.

 

Need a lot of crew.

Have Runners

Wet offshore

Sort of outdated design (crush them with the Tiger)

 

Buddy of mine is selling his right now. They took it in the Cabo race and have done really well around Southern California. Super fun boats with the right crew but it takes people knowing what they are doing, plus a bunch of people to hold the boats down.

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Yep, I do sail on and against FT 10s a lot. I like them too. I also like Ultimate 20s, Wavelength 24s and S2 7.9s a bunch. Regarding crew size..................FTs and Hendersons generally sail with a crew of seven, plus or minus 1. I raced a full crewed FT last year with three on the hendo in a 3 race W/L race in about 7 kts of air. did pretty well. Did a Chi/Mac last year with a five person crew. Had to beat for about 20 hours in 18-22 kts. When the sun came up Sunday morning we were doing quite well against FT10, Cone of Silence, Melges 30 turbo, Synergy 1000 ect. Though the runners are a pain on the Hendo, they do help overcome rig tuning on the boats with the big swept back spreaders. The runners and backstay work well to control the power on/off of the boat.

 

compare it with the FT10.... Eerie crews on one when he isn't using his Hendo or they are going head to head

 

FT 10 is still in production, current design, no runners, get by with less crew,

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Here is the other method of handling the rig. Portable gin pole.

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Here's a couple more pics taking the mast down. This is without the portable gin pole that we use if we are short manpower.

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Looking for advise on buying a Henderson 30 or other possible contender.

Cheers

 

I may have one for sale in your neighborhood; FT10 on a trailer in Pensacola.

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Ok so it's great in light air but how about the heavy air of SF Bay? How are they holding up in NorCal?

 

Not a problem... a few in the Bay Area... Ft 10 do well in the Whidby Island heavy air races...

 

I don't enjoy racing my lead mine in 35+, I don't enjoy racing the FT10 in 35+, we have done it and averaged 23.3 knots for about 40 miles... in more modest conditions speeds in mid to high teens, fully powered up in 12knots, travels well, great boat to take to marquis events for some handicap or OD racing, great versitile platform for anywhere on any coast in any conditions

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I have a friend who has one of the nicest 30's around and he would sell it. It is the old Girlfriend that has been totally revamped, hull and deck repaint, hull flipped over and boarded. Lots of new sails. Let me know if you want more info.

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Someone at our club is getting a Henderson 30. It looks like a fun boat to race! For PHRF class placement, would you folks put it with other lightweight planing boats like the Viper, and have a big numeric gap but similar performance curves, or with heavier, longer racer/cruisers that are much closer in rating but have way less planing potential?

 

Thanks,

 

jason

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Put them in the racer /cruiser class. In light air they will do well, 8-12 kt w/l they will suffer, and over 14 offwind they will do well. How many days a year do you guys sail in planing conditions? Looking at your club PHRF boats J109s, Benny 47, J105.....................This seems like where the Henderson belongs. They will have to sail well to win.. Where do they want to sail?

 

Someone at our club is getting a Henderson 30. It looks like a fun boat to race! For PHRF class placement, would you folks put it with other lightweight planing boats like the Viper, and have a big numeric gap but similar performance curves, or with heavier, longer racer/cruisers that are much closer in rating but have way less planing potential?

 

Thanks,

 

jason

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If there is any interest, I'd like to get some Henderson's together again someday for some racing. I have August available this year if anybody has a cool regatta in their backyard. My long range plans include ST Pete NOOD next Feb.

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Thanks for the advice. That's pretty much where I was going. Now we just have to think about the other end of the A fleet, but that's another topic.

 

I can give you contact info for the owners if you want to try to talk them into some travel racing.

 

Cheers,

 

jason

 

Put them in the racer /cruiser class. In light air they will do well, 8-12 kt w/l they will suffer, and over 14 offwind they will do well. How many days a year do you guys sail in planing conditions? Looking at your club PHRF boats J109s, Benny 47, J105.....................This seems like where the Henderson belongs. They will have to sail well to win.. Where do they want to sail?

 

Someone at our club is getting a Henderson 30. It looks like a fun boat to race! For PHRF class placement, would you folks put it with other lightweight planing boats like the Viper, and have a big numeric gap but similar performance curves, or with heavier, longer racer/cruisers that are much closer in rating but have way less planing potential?

 

Thanks,

 

jason

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If there is any interest, I'd like to get some Henderson's together again someday for some racing. I have August available this year if anybody has a cool regatta in their backyard. My long range plans include ST Pete NOOD next Feb.

How about a S/B regatta in Ft Pierce before or after the Noods. August would be okay too as I could store a couple of boats at my place until the Noods

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I sailed one for a while.. we have three customers we service in So Cal, 1 in Hawaii.

 

Fun boats but a little out-dated. Need 9 people to race W/L in anything over 8kts of breeze. My buddies took the Hedo 30 "Reach Around" in the Cabo Race a few years ago.... email me if want details on the boat

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Buffalo Theory, Henderson 30 Hull #120 is now at our yacht club, and kicking ass right off the bat. The co-owners have a ton of talent, and now they have the hottest boat in the fleet. I mentioned the attempt to put together a championship regatta to them, so we'll see, but at least they know.

 

Jealous,

 

jason

 

Edit, I think the official spelling is BUFFALO TH30RY

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Attention ALL Henderson 30 Sailors..........................I've been exchanging E-mails with a few of you over the last few months. I've been encouraged to try and get a contact list together so that we can communicate about boat related topics and maybe some future racing. Please PM me your contact information.

Thanks,

Kevin L.

Henderson 30 "Say Uncle" 117

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Give me a couple days and I'll get the list organized. I still have to contact KMAG for the Southern Cal boats. I have heard from the San Francisco Bay boat.

Working on the Sarnia Ontario boats also.

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I don't have a lot of experience with the Hendos but based on my limited number of sails, they are fun and fast and can be really competitive with like-rated boats. They also need like 11 people to keep them flat, they need a main trimmer who knows what they're doing - no, I know all boats need that but no boat I've been on has been so completely steered by the main as the H30, probably because of the size and shape of the rudder it doesn't give you much forgiveness, and runners are a PITA in my opinion. However, they are definitely fast. I like their responsiveness, and when they're planing they are insanely sweet. There are two in the Boston area and they *seem* to sail pretty well to their rating, most of the time.

 

My biggest concern would always be getting the 10+ people each week to keep it going. It's only 5' longer than my Elliott and needs twice the crew to be competitive.

10+ people? We sailed ours with 7 or 8. 10 is very slow. Too heavy and not enough room.

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If I was packing up the boat and heading off for a regatta, I would put together a crew of seven or eight.Back when the boats were raced OD it was nice having the crew weight limit of 1500. It kept the crew sizes reasonable. Weight on the rail does help upwind for sure. But like I've said in the past, I have raced the boat with three and have done well, have done well in a Mac with a crew of five, The Mac included a 20 hour beat in the 20 kt range.

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I don't have a lot of experience with the Hendos but based on my limited number of sails, they are fun and fast and can be really competitive with like-rated boats. They also need like 11 people to keep them flat, they need a main trimmer who knows what they're doing - no, I know all boats need that but no boat I've been on has been so completely steered by the main as the H30, probably because of the size and shape of the rudder it doesn't give you much forgiveness, and runners are a PITA in my opinion. However, they are definitely fast. I like their responsiveness, and when they're planing they are insanely sweet. There are two in the Boston area and they *seem* to sail pretty well to their rating, most of the time.

 

My biggest concern would always be getting the 10+ people each week to keep it going. It's only 5' longer than my Elliott and needs twice the crew to be competitive.

10+ people? We sailed ours with 7 or 8. 10 is very slow. Too heavy and not enough room.

maybe a little bit of hyperbole but I do know that the two in boston harbor sail with at least 8 whenever they can. I've been on one of them with 6 and we spent the whole day overpowered in 12 knots. I'm pretty sure HoG sails with 9, but they also sail with a lot of people a lot lighter than me.

With a six man crew in 12 kts it might be time to think about using the three ( I don't carry a two anymore). Unless you have tuned the rig for heavy air this might be the fastest way uphill. If you want to carry the 1 in these conditions, Jib leads aft, crank on the backstay and crank on the runners, and have a good maintrimmer to maintain the balance on the boat .If it is really puffy the helmsman usually plays his own traveler. Not so puffy helm plays his backstay and leaves the traveller to maintrimmer.

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I've done CRW twice. GOOD TIMES! Not in the cards for me either this year.

How about Miami to Nassau and Ft Lauderdale to Key West or do I have to rent a life raft

These races sound like fun!! And I have raft. :)

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Wow. A thread that's more than a year and a half old about a 30 footer in SB Anarchy. Can anyone tell me what's missing in this thread? Winner gets an Annapolis Race Week decal and spider-line alligator clip hat-saver.

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Wow. A thread that's more than a year and a half old about a 30 footer in SB Anarchy. Can anyone tell me what's missing in this thread? Winner gets an Annapolis Race Week decal and spider-line alligator clip hat-saver.

 

Boobs?

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Wow. A thread that's more than a year and a half old about a 30 footer in SB Anarchy. Can anyone tell me what's missing in this thread? Winner gets an Annapolis Race Week decal and spider-line alligator clip hat-saver.

Or did you mean in general that Gybeset hasn't rushed in to explain why it'd never be considered a sportboat downunda?

 

DING DING DING!! we have a winner, folks. Yes the famous GS has not chimed in, wondering WTF this thread is doing in SBA. IT'S A SPORTS YACHT!! ;)

PM me for the swag.

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Here is a guide I put together in the last 20 minutes for a couple of guys on how to dissassemble the Henderson rudder bearings. I haven't really proof read it in detail. Let me know if it doesn't make sense or if it needs more detail

Eerie.

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Please let me know how the new races work. We have to fix the bearings every few years.

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I'll let you know how it goes. Boat gets wet Thursday. Right now I have the fit slightly snug. Might have to open the races up slightly. But since there is no making them smaller, I will try snug first.

 

Here is a guide I put together in the last 20 minutes for a couple of guys on how to dissassemble the Henderson rudder bearings. I haven't really proof read it in detail. Let me know if it doesn't make sense or if it needs more detail

Eerie.

attachicon.gifGuide to disassemble the Henderson 30 rudder assembly.pdf

Please let me know how the new races work. We have to fix the bearings every few years.

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I hope you won every single race with that rating.................Holy cow - one of the bigger gift ratings I have seen. Did you give blowjobs to the entire PHRF committee?

Here is one of my favorite Henderson 30 documents .. This is one of the first PHRF certificates issued.

 

:rolleyes:attachicon.gifHendo 30 original PHRF cert.pdf :rolleyes:

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I wish I had that rating. That was the rating given out of the box to Hendersons. My original rating for the boat was 39. Two weeks later it was changed to 36.

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I wish I had that rating. That was the rating given out of the box to Hendersons. My original rating for the boat was 39. Two weeks later it was changed to 36.

Ouch....

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I wish I had that rating. That was the rating given out of the box to Hendersons. My original rating for the boat was 39. Two weeks later it was changed to 36.

That's a bit of tough love. The boat probably belongs at 45

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Rates 45 (base) in PHRF NE and that's still a tough number to sail to...

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I currently rate 42 on Lake Erie and 51 Detroit Regional Yacht racing Association (DRYA)

Rates 45 (base) in PHRF NE and that's still a tough number to sail to...

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Gardyloo started out in 2007 at 48, then adjusted to 54. Bad Kitty in Victoria rates 57, Girlfriend in Des Moines rates 57. Gardyloo is rated with a larger main. Race with Mumm/Farr 30's at 54 and FT10s at 57 here in the northwest

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Gardyloo started out in 2007 at 48, then adjusted to 54. Bad Kitty in Victoria rates 57, Girlfriend in Des Moines rates 57. Gardyloo is rated with a larger main. Race with Mumm/Farr 30's at 54 and FT10s at 57 here in the northwest

Partly because at the time a Synergy 1000 was being driven very hard by a very good crew. And Rated at 54 it was logical to put the Hendo 30 level with the S1000 that was beating it. Gardy is a good boat with a good crew, but in the races that we beat her, it was mostly starting line and course strategy that did it. We were ALWAYS hearing the footsteps behind us...

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We race a well prepared, well sailed Synergy once or twice a year. Upwind we seem to be tied together with a string. Off the wind both boats have slightly different sweet spots. As far as our handicap differences, I owe him time on Lake Erie, we are even on Lake St Clair and he owes me a bit of time under ORR.

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I trimmed main on New Wave for a few years in the late 90's. It was always a great battle against Zoom and a few of the other Henderson 30s. In 1996 it is/was a great design with a few cool innovations. nothing but good times.

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