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We just got word that the 100' monohull Rambler has capzised off the Fastnet rock, all accounted and one woman airlifted to hospital. The boat is floating upside down, keel gone. Awaiting updates. Jump in the thread with info..

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HOLY SHIT... just saw that. That's terrible news, but I'm glad everyone made it off OK. Hope they get the boat recovered and sorted.

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We just got word that the 100' monohull Rambler has capzised off the Fastnet rock, all accounted and one woman airlifted to hospital. The boat is floating upside down, keel gone. Awaiting updates. Jump in the thread with info..

 

 

Holy shit is all I have to say, from the Fastnet website:

 

Statement by the Royal Ocean Racing Club, issued 2053 BST Monday, 15th August 2011

 

The yacht Rambler 100 has capsized between the Fastnet Rock and the Pantaenius Buoy. The Irish Coastguard services are coordinating the rescue. The Baltimore RNLI lifeboat is on the scene. Two Sikorsky helicopters have been scrambled and an Irish Naval vessel is en route to the scene of the accident

 

All 21 crew have been rescued.

 

A further statement will be released when more information becomes known.

 

Ian Loffhagen

Racing Manager

 

 

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16 taken off boat...5 taken out of water by local boat..all safe I understand

 

 

We just got word that the 100' monohull Rambler has capzised off the Fastnet rock, all accounted and one woman airlifted to hospital. The boat is floating upside down, keel gone. Awaiting updates. Jump in the thread with info..

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This was the main story on the 9pm Irish News - 16 rescued from the upturned hull, 5 in a lifeboat (another yacht picked them up). No mayday received, the lifeboats picked up the EPIRB. Yacht was 10miles SW of Baltimore.

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WOW! thankfully it seems like everyone is okay. Anyone have any pictures or links to the new stories

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Very fortunate it happened before dark. And not on the Transat Race!

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0_o wonder what the RC room at ROYC looked like when that came over the radio from the rescue boats....

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Ah the hidden joys of canting keels, when goes wrong it goes fucking wrong real quick.

 

 

Good to see all on board are safe.

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wow that sucks! I was really liking that boat and the campaign. Glad everyone was rescued.

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16 crew taken from the up turned yacht - 5 taken from a life raft by another yacht. Le Ciara (Irish Navy) on standby at the scene. Army transport on standby in Cork if needed

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Jesus, I live about 90miles from there, if the conditions are in any way simaler, I wouldn't like to be them :P

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looks like everyone is ok. Also looks like they lost the keel

 

 

Is the front attached?

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Has it been towed out of the enviroment?

'Cause West Cork is one nice sailing area.....

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Happened after rounding the Fastnet, but before rounding the Paentanius Buoy, seven nm to sw. Wx not heavy, rough, bad, difficult.

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Has it been towed out of the enviroment?

'Cause West Cork is one nice sailing area.....

 

It's not in an environment, there's nothing out there except sea, and birds and fish..... and the part of the boat the keel fell off.

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Has it been towed out of the enviroment?

'Cause West Cork is one nice sailing area.....

 

It's not in an environment, there's nothing out there except sea, and birds and fish..... and the part of the boat the keel fell off.

 

And about 10 tons of lead.....

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I'm no expert, but I think sailboats work better when that big heavy thing at the bottom stays attached.

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"Two Sikorsky helicopters have been scrambled."

George David, owner of Rambler, is the CEO of United Technologies. UT owns and manufactures Sikorsky Helicopters, among other businesses. His crew is being rescued by his product.

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Hey Ultraracer,

 

If it makes you feel any better, it happens to the best of 'em.:(

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Photo now up on the Rolex Website of the upturned hull

 

http://www.regattane...d=187&cid=17811

 

somebody had the clarity of thought to rig a line from the lee board to the rudder for the crew to hang onto. was that a preplanned move? "if the keel falls of how are we all going to stay on the hull?"

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The thing to do in waves with a light boat like that is to make sure the mast is upwind, that way the wind lifts the mast out of the water as you scramble in from the daggerboard...

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That'll be a heck of a salvage. How does that happen with 100 footer? Anyone know what the procedure is?

 

cut away the rig and tow it to shore, flip it and start again. That'd be my guess...

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Is that a daggerboard or keel fin we're looking at?

If it's a daggerboard it would indicate they lost the fin and all, which would be odd.

 

Maybe a failure at the joint between the fin and the canting system?

Would be unusual but I doubt impossible.

 

Just my thoughts

- Kevin

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Is that a daggerboard or keel fin we're looking at?

If it's a daggerboard it would indicate they lost the fin and all, which would be odd.

 

Maybe a failure at the joint between the fin and the canting system?

Would be unusual but I doubt impossible.

 

Just my thoughts

- Kevin

 

 

Looks to my like the starboard dagger board.

 

Does Rambler have water ballast?

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Baltimore Lifeboat (in the pic above) collected crew, brought them ashore to the village.

 

Without doubt they are in the Pub: Bushes Bar telephone now for interviews: +353 (0)28 20125

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Is that a daggerboard or keel fin we're looking at?

If it's a daggerboard it would indicate they lost the fin and all, which would be odd.

 

Maybe a failure at the joint between the fin and the canting system?

Would be unusual but I doubt impossible.

 

Just my thoughts

- Kevin

 

 

Looks to my like the starboard dagger board.

 

Does Rambler have water ballast?

 

Yeah she does, about six tons if I remember correctly

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That'll be a heck of a salvage. How does that happen with 100 footer? Anyone know what the procedure is?

 

cut away the rig and tow it to shore, flip it and start again. That'd be my guess...

 

Maybe the owner dosnt want it salvaged?

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Baltimore Lifeboat (in the pic above) collected crew, brought them ashore to the village.

 

Without doubt they are in the Pub: Bushes Bar telephone now for interviews: +353 (0)28 20125

 

My liver can probably be found in the freezer of said oub after Calves :P

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That'll be a heck of a salvage. How does that happen with 100 footer? Anyone know what the procedure is?

 

Skycrane

 

I hope it'll be well documented...I'm sure it'll be an awesome sight.

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Brings back familiar images of another Juan K boat doesnt it...

 

BoundCap07-0085.jpg

 

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That'll be a heck of a salvage. How does that happen with 100 footer? Anyone know what the procedure is?

 

cut away the rig and tow it to shore, flip it and start again. That'd be my guess...

 

Maybe the owner dosnt want it salvaged?

 

I assume they just can't leave it out there...or scuttle it without lots of environmental headaches/costs...

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post-11311-081157500 1313443900_thumb.jpg

 

courtesy of Carlo Borlenghi

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good question. that bow job is one of the ugliest things i've ever seen.

Just picked up this image from Regatta News of RAMBLER inverted...

 

http://www.regattanews.com/photo.aspx?eid=187&cid=17811

 

Glad to hear all crew are safe.

 

That sucks! So glad to hear that all crew were rescued and this is a salvage job only. But for Juan, Andrea, Mick etc. these are going to be some long days. That but for the grace of ...

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Croikey. 100' upside down. You'd think when money was no object that some extra emphasis on quality would be done.

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Anyone have a crew list from fastnet?

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They haven't quite got these keels right on these big boats have they? Insurance payout is going to screw the rest of us up though when premiums climb

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Hopefully not too much of a headache for the following fleet as it will be dark and she won't be lit

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I hope they've got a boat standing by or a flashing light on the hull or something so the rest of the fleet( about all except the tris) don't hit it tonight.

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Old guys like me might remember when the same thing happened to the maxi "Drum" in the fastnet back in the late 80's. Simon le Bon of Duran Duran was on board. The keel fell off almost at the same place.

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Didn't he get trapped in the hull or something?

From what I hear he's quite the good sailor :P

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If the rig is intact, I reckon they could still be up for the Hobart.

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Some interesting pre race comments (audio file from Regatta News..) from George David regarding pushing the boat and proven reliability so far this year and hopes of a strong finish in this year's Fastnet...

 

Glad to hear all 21 crew are safe.

 

http://www.regattanews.com/gallery.aspx?eid=187&ctid=1&cid=17803&year=

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Was the keel held on with cardboard or cardboard derivitives?

 

No there are very stringent requirements on what materials can be used. Cardboard's out, as are all cardboard derivatives, paper, cellotape and string! This is a freak one-off incident, it might have been hit by a wave which is a chance in a million.

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Damn shame.... Glad to hear everyone is ok. I wonder if they can fix her in time for the Hobart? I for one was really looking forward to the match up with WOXI. I hear they are significantly quicker with the new mods.....

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No truth to the rumour that trained sunfish were strategically transported to the area by a certain maxi owner in order to lessen the competition at Christmas!

 

Glad all are OK.

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Technology, aint it a bitch.

I am gonna buy a Cal 40 so I know I am coming home...

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Impressively, at 2312 GMT the tracker is showing Rambler 100 retired but still doing 11.5 kts at 217deg. JK, that is one impressive ship!!

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Impressively, at 2312 GMT the tracker is showing Rambler 100 retired but still doing 11.5 kts at 217deg. JK, that is one impressive ship!!

 

That's just 11.5 knots and 37 degrees off, not too bad.

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No truth to the rumour that trained sunfish were strategically transported to the area by a certain maxi owner in order to lessen the competition at Christmas!

 

Glad all are OK.

 

 

Strangely enough, was sailing there two weeks back and the place was riddled with sunfish :P

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Dang Glad everyone is Ok and made it to shore. I really liked that boat super cool machine. I hope they can recover the boat and we see it back out sailing soon.

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Hummm, so you are charging along just fetching the Scilly launching off a small swell doing what, say 15 knots. Nothing odd here, just normal. 21 crew with the off watch below, say 10 on deck, a few up down below. Over a slightly larger wave maybe, and a slightly louder than normal noise from down below, and you land. Bang, the boat slowly starts heeling more. Main is getting dumped and the crew against the fence on the high side are now pushed back against the lifelines. Someone thinks the keel has canted the wrong way or a electrical/mechanical malfunction. Leeward rail goes in. The boys on the high side are now 20 plus feet above the sea and some very hard things in between. Crew down below are now scrambling up. Those who were asleep are now pitched out of their bunks. The helmsman with the wheel turned down now knows there is little hope. The rig hits the water and the boat now pirouettes nearly beam too. The rig begins to fill with water and the slow roll starts. The guys on the high side who did not turn inboard can actually ride the boat over. A few who turned to help early on , 4-5, fall the distance. Those coming out of the hatch are scrambling waist deep aft through the cockpit going for the rafts. Boat is now at 120 degrees and still going over. A few of the guys on the high side slip on the hull/epoxy bottom and fall into the sea. Rafts make it out the back and a few scramble aboard. The boat sits this way for a bit, say maybe 2 minutes. Trapped air and the sails are slowing the inevitable. Someone from down below has gotten the ditch bags. A sheet or halyard has been dropped for those in the water low side and they are pulled up over the stern. The boat finally goes turtle. Start to finish, the longest 5-7 minutes of your life. Glad to hear all are safe

Regards,

Crew

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Impressively, at 2312 GMT the tracker is showing Rambler 100 retired but still doing 11.5 kts at 217deg. JK, that is one impressive ship!!

 

Turns out our trackers don't work so well upside down... mad.gif

 

 

Nick @ YB

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Bet that ball of lead hit the bottom with a thud. Glad all are okay.

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Dear JK Volvo Race Entries,

 

Check your engineering!

 

Regards,

 

Common Sense

 

Sounds more like a build issue to me. All the Juan K boats in the past have been ok. Don't jump to conclusions

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Dear JK Volvo Race Entries,

 

Check your engineering!

 

Regards,

 

Common Sense

 

Sounds more like a build issue to me. All the Juan K boats in the past have been ok. Don't jump to conclusions

 

is that sarcasm, or are you not well?

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If the rig is intact, I reckon they could still be up for the Hobart.

 

And drop the keel near Grant's. Should be interesting what comes out

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Dear JK Volvo Race Entries,

 

Check your engineering!

 

Regards,

 

Common Sense

 

Sounds more like a build issue to me. All the Juan K boats in the past have been ok. Don't jump to conclusions

 

is that sarcasm, or are you not well?

 

As Farr as I remember, Juan K became famous because his boats were keeping their keel on the VOR 05-06... So yes, don't jump to conclusions.

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Here's the latest from Balitmore Lifeboat Station:

 

A special association with the Fastnet as Pats dad and Diarmuid Grandad, Christy, had been the Coxswain on the 1979 Fastnet rescue.

Reports from Wave Chieftain say that 5 of the crew were in the water for over 3 and half hours. Four of the crew had been off watch below decks when the capsize occurred. They were forced to swim out from under the hull and were not adequately clothed for the ordeal ahead.

The five crew who had been separated from the boat tethered themselves together in the water to be more easily found.

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Dear JK Volvo Race Entries,

 

Check your engineering!

 

Regards,

 

Common Sense

 

Sounds more like a build issue to me. All the Juan K boats in the past have been ok. Don't jump to conclusions

 

 

is that sarcasm, or are you not well?

 

As Farr as I remember, Juan K became famous because his boats were keeping their keel on the VOR 05-06... So yes, don't jump to conclusions.

 

How do you write "looks like..." and then "don't jump..." in the same post with a straight face? Nobody has the tiniest clue what happened, except that the keel is not on board.

 

FYI, Cookson built this boat and AFAIK there have not been major mods in the keel area.

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Bet that ball of lead hit the bottom with a thud. Glad all are okay.

 

Is any country missing a submarine? Can you imagine if that fell on a sub?

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21 very lucky sailors there I think. Glad they are all safe. Is a shame, I was liking this program.

 

I'll have a hundred on Oats thanks Eddie.

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Probably accurate, except you left out the swearing.

 

and the prayers...

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I'll have a hundred on Oats thanks Eddie.

 

Now you've got it - its an internet betting conspiracy!!

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Dear JK Volvo Race Entries,

 

Check your engineering!

 

Regards,

 

Common Sense

 

Sounds more like a build issue to me. All the Juan K boats in the past have been ok. Don't jump to conclusions

 

 

is that sarcasm, or are you not well?

 

As Farr as I remember, Juan K became famous because his boats were keeping their keel on the VOR 05-06... So yes, don't jump to conclusions.

 

How do you write "looks like..." and then "don't jump..." in the same post with a straight face? Nobody has the tiniest clue what happened, except that the keel is not on board.

 

FYI, Cookson built this boat and AFAIK there have not been major mods in the keel area.

 

I didn't write "looks like..." and I also know that Juan K bashing is a popular yet, in my opinion, not always justified sport on SA. And as a NA student, I'm not a big fan of NA bashing. I suppose you're not really either...

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here's a pic when they just put that keel on

 

Looking at the picture of the boat turned turtle, the fin looks a lot shorter than the picture with the bulb on. So I'm speculating the fin broke (cleanly!!!) rather than the bulb dropped off... shades of Excalibur!

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here's a pic when they just put that keel on

 

Looking at the picture of the boat turned turtle, the fin looks a lot shorter than the picture with the bulb on. So I'm speculating the fin broke (cleanly!!!) rather than the bulb dropped off... shades of Excalibur!

 

Run and hide newbie, run and hide!

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That would have been terrifying no matter where you were when it happened. What are the water temps out there this time of year? How deep is it?

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here's a pic when they just put that keel on

 

Looking at the picture of the boat turned turtle, the fin looks a lot shorter than the picture with the bulb on. So I'm speculating the fin broke (cleanly!!!) rather than the bulb dropped off... shades of Excalibur!

 

Arghhh no...

 

The boat has daggerboards, Thats a dagger board you can see in the photo sticking through not the rest of the fin that didnt snap off. There isnt any fin left, the whole lot went. Bloody lucky to get away with that without serious injury. Big hats off to the team onboard for their smart thinking and safety procedures working well!

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Dear JK Volvo Race Entries,

 

Check your engineering!

 

Regards,

 

Common Sense

Piss off troll

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