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That's what ZG says .. and two events!

 

Think of it, mayor Giorgio Orsoni (expert sailor, goes back to Il Moro) had been tweeted in Cascais

 

BTW, I'm resting easy: no way he'd be duped into paying significant venue money :)

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Venezia Challenge better get their act together...

 

Not a chance: Orsoni (wanted to C&D them) would have them tarred and feathered

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Another good thing: with one more date set, poor Mark Turner may start stitching together the ESS calendar without fear of intentional juxtapositions.

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And FV gets back from the summer recess for the occasion: do take a look at the picture, it's mouth watering. But:

 

We recall that Venice has already hosted a stage of the Extreme 40 Sailing Series, which among other things, collected a good success with the public (which, actually, in Cascais, was not the case despite the promotional efforts of the organizers) . It was not disclosed the amount to be paid from Venice to host the event, although it should probably settle on what has already been paid by Plymouth (200,000 pounds) and not as originally requested by ACEA (5 million).

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^^ Well yes, that time of the year you can expect 5-7kts, NE/SE. It's the old problem of coastal sailing in/on :D the Med.

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Lucky then that, like the galley masters, they have slaves to row.

 

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Author: Gilles Martin-Raget

Restriction: For Editorial only - All other rights reserved - Photographer's credit mandatory.

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iShares Cup (X40) 2009:

 

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© Thierry Martinez/Sea&Co/OC Event

 

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If only the AC45 were able to race as close to shore as the X40s. I hope they get that figured out by then.

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Same venue dates as what Naples was competing for, apparently they were right to be worried that Venice would beat them.

 

Where on the waterfront were the ESS bases set up, right in front of Piazza San Marco / the Doges palazzo? And did they sail into the Grand Canal itself?

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Might have to visit my father in law next may, a native Venetian, lives on the Lido. Incredible city Venice, lots of light air though.

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Where on the waterfront were the ESS bases set up, right in front of Piazza San Marco / the Doges palazzo? And did they sail into the Grand Canal itself?

 

Forget Piazza San Marco or sailing into the Canal Grande - and the ESS, their onshore logistics are negligible. But it's an interesting question, the release states bases will be set up in the Arsenale/Darsena directly behind the race waterfront. But it's a rather long detour around the tip of the island, and mainly even there available space is minimal.

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Where on the waterfront were the ESS bases set up, right in front of Piazza San Marco / the Doges palazzo? And did they sail into the Grand Canal itself?

 

Forget Piazza San Marco or sailing into the Canal Grande - and the ESS, their onshore logistics are negligible. But it's an interesting question, the release states bases will be set up in the Arsenale/Darsena directly behind the race waterfront. But it's a rather long detour around the tip of the island, and mainly even there available space is minimal.

This photo at ac.com suggests it too but I still don't see enough room along the inside of the Darsena.

 

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Here's a 2009-era iShares video that helps sets the 'scene.' JS/JK took 2nd in the light-airs series iirc, and Gitana 1st.

 

 

Feeding the troll SR? Nice video though

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Feeding the troll SR? Nice video though

You mean over which thread to post Venice goodies into?

 

He's right that we have a mini 'tradition' here with 'Countdown to (next venue)' threads, I guess the first one was catchy for the alliteration ('Countdown to Cascais') and echoes the 'official' article/propaganda/vernacular subject. But since you WILL be our man on the spot (and damn, I hope to make this one too) then... Okay, let's do it your way :)

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More pictures from iShares Cup 2009:

 

http://picasaweb.goo...at=embedwebsite

 

Apparently they were situated in the Arsenale. This is from an old press release:

 

<<A bit of history... the "Arsenale"

Today fully restored and back to its former glory, the Venice Arsenal was created at the beginning of the 12th Century and, as a shipyard, played a crucial role in the development of the Venetian empire. Its total surface was quadrupled after Marco Polo's return in 1295, and at its busiest period more than 16 000 people were employed by this little city within the city. Most historians agree on the fact that the domination of Venetian merchants owed a lot to the technical superiority of the ships built by the "Arsenale", that today is open to the public and offers a fantastic opportunity to revisit the city's past.>>

Adonnante TV has all the old videos on YouTube

http://www.youtube.c...ser/AdonnanteTv, just look in the "eXtreme 40 - iShares Cup" section

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.. we have a mini 'tradition' here with 'Countdown to (next venue)' threads

 

Sure, but that is still a long way off, this is just about the venue announcement :)

 

the 'official' article/propaganda/vernacular

 

Right :D - makes you long for the old Politburo days: they knew how to inject excitement (of course, having a few thousand MIRVed H-bombs also helped)

 

Edit: forgot to mention Mayor Orsoni is actually President of Compagnia della Vela, Il Moro's yacht club

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Edit: forgot to mention Mayor Orsoni is actually President of Compagnia della Vela, Il Moro's yacht club

Thanks, was not sure about that part.

 

belongs better here:

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There are a lot of news articles from Naples today about all this. Lots of blame being tossed around over who's fault it is that Naples lost to Venice, and even some hope expressed that that they may yet land a third Italian event.

 

The Venice articles point to the event being privately sponsored; and it setting up in the Arsenal district - which includes the Darsena - but I still can't tell exactly where the intended dock space is.

edit: here's one video newsclip (in Italian)

and here's a short video from inside the Darsena, dated August 10.

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Fun rumor here, i wonder if they spoke to anyone who lead them to it?

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http://translate.google.com/translate?rurl=translate.google.com&sl=it&u=http://www.gazzetta.it/Vela/04-09-2011/a-venezia-america-s-cup-world-series-802742340543.shtml

 

Appointment of next year should be involved in 9 teams, including possibly Patrizio Bertelli's Luna Rossa and maybe even Venice Challenge, excluded from competition for lack of funds, you could say now back on track (but is successful?).

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Venice is definitely worth a visit, I've been there May 2010, and couldn't detect any wind, BTW. You can't believe how curious I am of where on all the waterways there the AC34s are going to race,

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Love that city too, and especially the Dorsaduro district.

 

The X40's raced (and even moored) right off Piazza San Marco, I expect the AC45s will too. It's a quick sail or traghetti ride up to the Arsenal from there.

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Venice ? great, beautiful city, incredible past, the Doge would be happy to see those cats racing within the city.

Very tempted to go.

 

However, 4 venues and still not one in the competitor's countries.

 

Are the organizers clueless or desperate to find a place ? I cannot see any logic to avoid competitors places.

 

France has 2 teams, Brest would have been a fantastic place with airport, infrastructure, natural circus (for Eagles), media focussed on sailing.

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Venice ? great, beautiful city, incredible past, the Doge would be happy to see those cats racing within the city.

Very tempted to go.

 

However, 4 venues and still not one in the competitor's countries.

 

Are the organizers clueless or desperate to find a place ? I cannot see any logic to avoid competitors places.

 

France has 2 teams, Brest would have been a fantastic place with airport, infrastructure, natural circus (for Eagles), media focussed on sailing.

 

Personally I would say the tourist interest and history of a city and whether or not a competitor is based in the same country are very much secondary factors to the making of a successful event. Although admittedly 'sucessful' has many definitions in the AC34 context.

 

 

A knowledgeable and enthusiastic sailing community and media would be right up there, along with a general public with an interest in sailing and sport in general.

 

The Euro model though - on which some of the effort seems to be predicated is slightly different and pays more attention to VIPs, Bigwigs in general, sponsors and their demands, 'Functions', and all the other stuff hung around the sides of the actual sport - that can work too, but can also fail spectacularly.

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However, 4 venues and still not one in the competitor's countries.

 

Are the organizers clueless or desperate to find a place ? I cannot see any logic to avoid competitors places.

 

it's a Bernie Ecclestone kind of thing, remember, that's what this all new AC-F1 dream is all about, if there would be a remote chance that a competitor from Outer-Bouzoukistan could emerge, you could bank on the whole AC circus to set up its tents on the shore of Outer-Bouzoukistan's seas...wherever that may be, probably on planet Vogon :rolleyes:

 

 

remarkable though that the general reaction about Venice is more related to tourism than anything else, that too the core business of the America Cup ?

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tourists spend real money

 

sailors buy sails

 

so the tourists get to watch from hotels, restaurants and gondolas

 

sailors can watch on their laptops, in between bickering about spinnakers

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tourists spend real money

sailors buy sails

so the tourists get to watch from hotels, restaurants and gondolas

sailors can watch on their laptops, in between bickering about spinnakers

makes me wonder why none of the bright bulbs has come up with the idea of starting ACTA : AC Travel Agency (the special offer at this moment for Venezia is including a Bunga Bunga party, and if ever the circus hits upon Sanfran then negotiations are ongoing to organise a Vogon poetry recital)

 

can't wait to see what happens if hundreds of gondolas turn up to watch an AC series, that in itself could be a spectacle, but me thinks they'll keep 'em at a distance, or simply tell 'em it's a no go area.

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Venice ? great, beautiful city, incredible past, the Doge would be happy to see those cats racing within the city.

Very tempted to go.

 

However, 4 venues and still not one in the competitor's countries.

 

Are the organizers clueless or desperate to find a place ? I cannot see any logic to avoid competitors places.

 

France has 2 teams, Brest would have been a fantastic place with airport, infrastructure, natural circus (for Eagles), media focussed on sailing.

 

Personally I would say the tourist interest and history of a city and whether or not a competitor is based in the same country are very much secondary factors to the making of a successful event. Although admittedly 'sucessful' has many definitions in the AC34 context.

 

 

A knowledgeable and enthusiastic sailing community and media would be right up there, along with a general public with an interest in sailing and sport in general.

 

The Euro model though - on which some of the effort seems to be predicated is slightly different and pays more attention to VIPs, Bigwigs in general, sponsors and their demands, 'Functions', and all the other stuff hung around the sides of the actual sport - that can work too, but can also fail spectacularly.

 

Oh, I am sure Venice will be a success, maybe more that Cascais and Plymouth. Venice has a lot to offer, tourism, history, Adriatic, Bigwigs. Also jus wait for the pictures of AC45 launched at 30 knots on one hull 100m in front of Renaissance palaces.

For sure Venice will do a lot. However it would be wise to sen the event in a city like Brest with an educated public, the highest history of sailing, TV, newspapers oriented on sailing.

 

Also why not choosing a competitor's place ? Albatros mentions the model of B. Ecclestone, but I don't know it and don't see the logic.

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Also why not choosing a competitor's place ? Albatros mentions the model of B. Ecclestone, but I don't know it and don't see the logic.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm totally in agreement on the idea that they should go to places like Brest now, maintenant, heute, pronto, onmiddellijk ... but I'm just thinking about the fact that Bernie E. , in order to expand his F1 imperium deliberately dropped a couple of the old -mostly european- venues in favour of more exotic locations where he thought he could possibly drill new $$$ wells ... Turkey, Gulf, Malaysia, China ... some worked, some not.

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Brest does sound like a good location.

 

For a lot of good reasons I am not (well, not yet..) blowing $25k annually on a boat. And so I do have a little bit to spend on leisure travel, and do need want to use the vacation weeks in fun ways. It's nice to have a 'hook' to go someplace new. After seeing the 'treatment' that Cascais got, and I suppose Plymouth is about to get, well I already regret not being there just 'for the hell of it.'

 

Now that I have offered Stingette a trip to Venice in May, well if we change our minds then watching ~that~ city get 'treated' on TV/whatever, will just be very regretful to watch from a distance. Letting GMR loose in Venice is an awesome prospect but being there? Even awesomer :)

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Venice ? great, beautiful city, incredible past, the Doge would be happy to see those cats racing within the city.

Very tempted to go.

 

However, 4 venues and still not one in the competitor's countries.

 

Are the organizers clueless or desperate to find a place ? I cannot see any logic to avoid competitors places.

 

France has 2 teams, Brest would have been a fantastic place with airport, infrastructure, natural circus (for Eagles), media focussed on sailing.

 

Personally I would say the tourist interest and history of a city and whether or not a competitor is based in the same country are very much secondary factors to the making of a successful event. Although admittedly 'sucessful' has many definitions in the AC34 context.

 

 

A knowledgeable and enthusiastic sailing community and media would be right up there, along with a general public with an interest in sailing and sport in general.

 

The Euro model though - on which some of the effort seems to be predicated is slightly different and pays more attention to VIPs, Bigwigs in general, sponsors and their demands, 'Functions', and all the other stuff hung around the sides of the actual sport - that can work too, but can also fail spectacularly.

 

Oh, I am sure Venice will be a success, maybe more that Cascais and Plymouth. Venice has a lot to offer, tourism, history, Adriatic, Bigwigs. Also jus wait for the pictures of AC45 launched at 30 knots on one hull 100m in front of Renaissance palaces.

For sure Venice will do a lot. However it would be wise to sen the event in a city like Brest with an educated public, the highest history of sailing, TV, newspapers oriented on sailing.

 

Also why not choosing a competitor's place ? Albatros mentions the model of B. Ecclestone, but I don't know it and don't see the logic.

 

 

 

 

However, 4 venues and still not one in the competitor's countries.

Go to the events page of AC.com. There are four venues listed for the present series, 2 of them (50%) are from competitor's countries.

Get over it already!

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A fair amount of detail in this g-tran, bold mine

 

The logistics base will be the Arsenale, the former naval depot built in 1100, the ten catamarans will cross between the Hotel de Bains and inlets of Lido, 30 races scheduled at a rate of three per day, 50 thousand spectators expected and a cost of 5 million that the administration intends to cover without tapping a penny from the coffers of the municipality.

 

And from here, bold mine

 

The competition will be the usual Venetian goblets, three miles beyond the mouths of the port of San Nicolo, Lido of Venice, where the ten teams will compete for Ac45 (lightweight catamarans, about 1400 pounds, can reach speeds of 50 km / h) that will compete in thirty exciting races. The village welcome and the sports village itself will focus respectively on Riva degli Schiavoni and within the Arsenale, the great and magical structure that produced the ships of the Serenissima and gather in about 4 000 square meters and all the technical services organization. A place uniquely suited because of its architecture and especially thanks to its stretch of water that characterizes it. About 150 containers have come to realize that the village will have to use same space as the Biennale uses today. They expect about 50 000 between visitors and enthusiasts are expected and already overbooked for the reservation of the maxi yachts.

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Only 50,000 spectators? :D Shows you those guys are serious. And don't mind the first piece: it's from Naples, they're jealous.

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Only 50,000 spectators? :D Shows you those guys are serious. And don't mind the first piece: it's from Naples, they're jealous.

50K additional visitors? Oops, better book now, because Venice is cramped in May already, even without the ACWS in town.

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Good advice, a quick look did show some hotel rooms available but, in the Arsenale, not many affordable ones left. This before any ACWS ops and teams have probably weighed in, unless that part is prearranged with Venice.

 

Where the Biennale is hosted is interesting. It's even possible the bases will not be in tents but in those 14th century shipbuilding buildings fronting the Darsena.

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I tend to think that the ACWS ist not targeting to bring additional people to the venues, but to show the product to the people who are already around. Made sense for Cascais and will make sense even more for Venice. Dunno about Plymouth, tho.

 

Last year I was visiting the Biennale site, which had a flair of neglected grandezza. Very charming. And at least some green after spending the previous days on the treeless main island.

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I tend to think that the ACWS ist not targeting to bring additional people to the venues, but to show the product to the people who are already around. Made sense for Cascais and will make sense even more for Venice. Dunno about Plymouth, tho.

 

That's fine for ACEA et al but in what way does it make sense for venues to contribute to the event cost if it is not bringing in extra visitors? As I understand it you believe Cascais to have been a municipal vanity project, Venice seems to be claiming mysterious private sponsors, but surely most venues are going to want some kind of business case based on extra projected footfall? Plymouth is absolutely hoping for extra visitors, the economic case made for SF certainly did and it would surprise me if SD and Newport do not also rely on projected visitors to justify the expenditure.

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Like Renn said, overwhelmingly local visitors even in Venice. 50 000 visitors is probably a low number for daily visits to San Marco, an easy walk to the waterfront.

 

The prestige a venue gains from the coverage is an intangible left for the contributors to decide the value of. If Venice sponsors are paying the reported E5M, or the £100 000 that the Plymouth City council's share is, says almost nothing about anything since both parties are happy with the overall arrangement or they would not have both agreed it.

 

Venice is a great choice, I hope it suggests the coming trajectory.

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If Venice sponsors are paying the reported E5M

 

Does that figure come from any recent reports or are you speculating?

 

AFAIK Plymouth council has not disclosed what it paid. Stuart Alexander mooted £200K some time ago.

 

Clearly whatever the figures were, somebody in the city (or a private sponsor) has decided it is worthwhile. My point is: unless there are additional visitors, how can a public body justify such a decision. "Prestige" is a very thin argument, particularly when most cities in the world are having to cut budgets.

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I tend to think that the ACWS ist not targeting to bring additional people to the venues, but to show the product to the people who are already around. Made sense for Cascais and will make sense even more for Venice. Dunno about Plymouth, tho.

 

Last year I was visiting the Biennale site, which had a flair of neglected grandezza. Very charming. And at least some green after spending the previous days on the treeless main island.

 

This makes sense. At this early stage the ACWS has not gained momentum to generate a huge increase in traffic to a venue, but adds a few SAAC'ers and journo's. Not a bad move to try and go where the people are, so that interest may be generated.

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If Venice sponsors are paying the reported E5M

 

Does that figure come from any recent reports or are you speculating?

 

AFAIK Plymouth council has not disclosed what it paid. Stuart Alexander mooted £200K some time ago.

 

Clearly whatever the figures were, somebody in the city (or a private sponsor) has decided it is worthwhile. My point is: unless there are additional visitors, how can a public body justify such a decision. "Prestige" is a very thin argument, particularly when most cities in the world are having to cut budgets.

The E5M Venice figure is in a link above, and in several other Italian articles too. But since it is said to be all private and business sponsored then I doubt we will ever know who contributed what parts of it.

 

The €100 000 figure is in the Plymouth Herald and reprinted by the BBC under a tiltle that says something like 'mayor defends price.' She said that if sponsorship fell short then the city's obligation is only up to that much. The Herald also has a lengthy list of in kind contributors, and mentions the advertising spaces being made available. So again, almost nothing of it is taxpayer funded.

 

Again, since both parties agree then why is it even an issue for us fans aside from a casual interest? The penny watching around here is borderline ridiculous, an Xlot pulled small excerpt of a no-new-news Aleph comment, buried in an otherwise really great article, gets re-posted 3 times, with no surprise whatsoever behind it, for what reason exactly? The pennies, that most of us know nothing of, or even care about?

 

Xlot, you gave as your big reason for trying to hijack the (already Italian-chaotic) Naples effort the notion that as a taxpayer it was your duty to. I saw no notion anywhere that it involved national money, just city and provincial, but even if it had been national then: it would have cost you what, €.005, once? Does that get you even a bus ride to Fiumicino, for a relatively expensive trip to Cascais?

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[Again, since both parties agree then why is it even an issue for us fans aside from a casual interest?

 

"Fan" yourself. If anyone ever described me as a "sports fan" they would be seriously mistaken. I am however a business-man and a racing sailor. I also have a minor involvement in local government. From those points of view, the process through which cities choose (or mostly choose not to) involve themselves in the ACWS intrigues me. It is obvious that signing up cities is proving problematical to ACEA, hence all those holes in the schedule. As must be clear by now, the economics and sustainability of Wussell-vision is my main interest in AC34. Whether regatta-style sailing can or should be made into a TV sport, how much it will then resemble the sport that some of us here participate in, and how any such changes may then influence the grassroots sport, is something that's been debated for years and right now, LE is bankrolling a huge experiment which is likely to answer those questions one way or another. If these issues don't interest you, sports-fan, then feel free not to read or comment on them. Stop however telling me what should and should not interest me. I've got a wife to do that.

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50 000 visitors is probably a low number for daily visits to San Marco, an easy walk to the waterfront.

 

report on that one again after you've been there ... I'd rather think 50.000 on a daily basis extra might turn out to be a nightmare if al of them have the same purpose.

but highly unlikely such numbers would be reached.

 

the problem with Venice

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I've got a wife to do that.

 

:D Apart from that (solved the problem a while ago), we have identical views

 

 

Good link. And even if they held races 3 miles offshore the Lido it wouldn't make a difference, people wouldn't go there.

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The E5M Venice figure is in a link above, and in several other Italian articles too.

 

From the FV article at the beginning of this thread

 

It was not disclosed the amount to be paid from Venice to host the event, although it should probably settle on what has already been paid by Plymouth (200,000 pounds) and not as originally requested by the ACEA (5 million).

 

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Venice ? great, beautiful city, incredible past, the Doge would be happy to see those cats racing within the city.

Very tempted to go.

 

However, 4 venues and still not one in the competitor's countries.

 

Are the organizers clueless or desperate to find a place ? I cannot see any logic to avoid competitors places.

 

France has 2 teams, Brest would have been a fantastic place with airport, infrastructure, natural circus (for Eagles), media focussed on sailing.

 

Personally I would say the tourist interest and history of a city and whether or not a competitor is based in the same country are very much secondary factors to the making of a successful event. Although admittedly 'sucessful' has many definitions in the AC34 context.

 

 

A knowledgeable and enthusiastic sailing community and media would be right up there, along with a general public with an interest in sailing and sport in general.

 

The Euro model though - on which some of the effort seems to be predicated is slightly different and pays more attention to VIPs, Bigwigs in general, sponsors and their demands, 'Functions', and all the other stuff hung around the sides of the actual sport - that can work too, but can also fail spectacularly.

 

Oh, I am sure Venice will be a success, maybe more that Cascais and Plymouth. Venice has a lot to offer, tourism, history, Adriatic, Bigwigs. Also jus wait for the pictures of AC45 launched at 30 knots on one hull 100m in front of Renaissance palaces.

For sure Venice will do a lot. However it would be wise to sen the event in a city like Brest with an educated public, the highest history of sailing, TV, newspapers oriented on sailing.

 

Also why not choosing a competitor's place ? Albatros mentions the model of B. Ecclestone, but I don't know it and don't see the logic.

 

 

 

However, 4 venues and still not one in the competitor's countries.

Go to the events page of AC.com. There are four venues listed for the present series, 2 of them (50%) are from competitor's countries.

Get over it already!

I guess you are joking Nav ? oh, yes i used the word competitor.

SD and Newport are in the defender country, still not one venue in the challengers countries. What is wrong with ACEA ?

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^ Thanks. On the economics, there may be interesting things in this PDF?

http://www.press-ser...c3&ras=20110906

 

Screwy translation pasted below:

 

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edit, something similar here

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^ Thanks. On the economics, there may be interesting things in this PDF?

http://www.press-ser...c3&ras=20110906

 

Screwy translation pasted below:

 

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succombed to your alter ego's Vogon poetry drive, have you ?

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Ha - yep that really is scrambled :)

 

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A rough g-tran of an RW interview, in Italian

 

Michele Fullin

 

VENICE - "On the application of Naples there is no foreclosure": to speak is Richard Worth, president of the America's Cup Event Authority, the company that operates the sailing trophy.

 

Mr Worth, how did this deal with Venice?

 

"It all started about 6 months ago when they were contacted by the Mayor of Venice and Alberto Sonino. Then an approach was informative, but I already seemed very determined. Then in August came to Cascais to see what it really means a stage of the World Series and the trail went straight down. "

 

In Naples, however, were convinced that the two stages would take place in the Gulf. What wrecked the deal?

 

"It is not wrecked anything. We closed with Venice, but there are still two stages that can be hosted by a European city. Including Naples and Trapani, because nothing prevents the water for the World Series can be hosted from two locations within the same country. Again, no estoppel to Naples: if they find the money and have the right organization can reason about tomorrow. We are always available. "

 

What were the reasons which led it to close before with Venice?

 

"They are different. The first is that when you ask for the names of cities in the world of the sea will meet in Sydney, Cape Town, Venice. Venice is perceived as the city of the sea and sailing excellence. It also has a very strong name, a "brand" known in every corner of the planet. "

 

And then? Have you thought about the problems in this period Naples?

 

"No, no. I would say that it was the decisive Mayor Giorgio Orsoni with his entire team. There has positively affected the force with which he wanted to bring home the result. Rather than go on vacation in August, as is used in Italy, came to deal with us while we were in Portugal. This we consider important. And then there Sonino, who has given so much to do. We see that in Venice there was a desire to have this event. "

 

Italy is important to you?

 

"The Italians are big fans of the America's Cup, but unfortunately one of the 9 teams there is not even one of your country. We hope that the enthusiasm for the choice of Venice may lead to the formation of an Italian team. There is not much time available, but we could do in a few months. Someone is trying. "

 

They say that Venice is not always enough wind for this kind of racing. Raul Gardini, to win the Cup when he was told: "The races will be in Venice, had to put fans in the Adriatic."

 

"It is not a problem. In Cascais thought to find there was very windy and rather little. But the show has not been ruined. And then, the AC 45 catamarans are very lightweight and built to fly even with little wind. It is the best technology available today in the field of sailing. And then, I did see the weather reports with the prevailing winds, the situation seems rather good. "

 

Who will be television coverage of the races?

 

"We still have to close. Before we contacted the major Italian broadcasters, but with the withdrawal of the two teams had gone down the interest. Now, however, the novelty of Venice re-open the games. "

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Says private sponsors will put in €8M, guaranteed by an €5M bond issued by a Consortium (presumably tied to the City) ..

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^^ Not really, apart from the aerial view of the Lido (0:50) where they say races will 'probably' be held.

 

Cool! I've got a place to stay on Lido, my father-in-law lives there. We visit relatively often, absolutely incredible place Venice. He was in the glass business, as were his father and grand father. Murano, where the glass manufacturing is done, is very interesting place.

Are they talking about racing on the Adriatic side or the lagoon side? Often zip for breeze in the lagoon, and lots of chop from the Vaporetto's.

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Says private sponsors will put in €8M, guaranteed by an €5M bond issued by a Consortium (presumably tied to the City) ..

Must surely include in-kind items, like 'rental space.'

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^^ Not really, apart from the aerial view of the Lido (0:50) where they say races will 'probably' be held.

 

Cool! I've got a place to stay on Lido, my father-in-law lives there. We visit relatively often, absolutely incredible place Venice. He was in the glass business, as were his father and grand father. Murano, where the glass manufacturing is done, is very interesting place.

Are they talking about racing on the Adriatic side or the lagoon side? Often zip for breeze in the lagoon, and lots of chop from the Vaporetto's.

According to this map, that may be a good vantage point for some of the track?

 

http://www.press-ser...a1-077cb9ed3f30

 

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Excellent. Prime beach viewing area a 10 minute walk from the house.

 

You should expect to pay a nice daily fee to ACEA for the privilege of viewing from the beach.

 

It is stadium sailing after all, and they own the stadium, or at least are renting it temporarily.

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Had your fill of Quadrilles?

The Madison and cheap thrills?

Bored with the Beguine?

The Samba isn't your scene?

 

They're playing our tune

By the pale moon

We're incognito

Down the Lido

And we like the Strand

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You should expect to pay a nice daily fee to ACEA for the privilege of viewing from the beach.

 

It is stadium sailing after all, and they own the stadium, or at least are renting it temporarily.

 

Not necessarily a joke. The dog-walkers and joggers of Weymouth are up in arms because a local park overlooking the "Medal Course" will be fenced off and ticket-only during the Olympics.

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^^

 

At least half the Adriatic side of the island is constituted by a sandy beach, much of which belongs to the various hotels that house the summer tourists. These include the renowned Excelsior and the Des Bains, setting for Thomas Mann's classic novel Death in Venice. These beaches are private, though towards the northern and southern ends of the island there are two enormous public beaches.

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According to main daily La Repubblica, Naples is back in contention and very near getting two WS events, like Venice!

 

The merry bunch who negotiated the previous round (regional governor, province president and Naples' mayor) flew en masse to Plymouth - and are staying over, since it so happens Naples is playing Manchester City in the Champions League tonight ..

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Gazzetta dello sport says Naples deal is closed! (link in italian)

http://www.gazzetta....879081459.shtml

 

Regattas on April 2012 and May 2013

Well since Naples has been jumping the gun for a time already, then I'll believe it when ACA announces it. But it could well be true. g-tran

 

'today they have signed a contract that will finally Bagnoli preliminary races of the America's Cup'

Notable too: '...persistent rumors speak of Luna Rossa.'

 

The Italian press has had a lot of hopeful speculation on this front during the past week, some mix of LR/Bertelli (in Plymouth recently) and Gardini and others being involved or at least being approached; seems Barovier (X40 Niceforyou) is in the thick of it too. Something about a meeting in Porto Cervo soon.

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Naples, Italy, has agreed in principle to host two stops on the America's Cup World Series; the first will be in April 2012, the second in May 2013.

 

Designed to expose millions more people to the sport of high-performance racing, the new professional circuit was created to bring the America's Cup experience to top international venues.

 

"I'm very pleased to confirm we will be bringing the America's Cup World Series to Naples," said Richard Worth, the Chairman of the America's Cup Event Authority. "Naples offers us a Mediterranean backdrop, and a stadium set-up within the Bay of Naples – a perfect complement to the exciting racing the AC World Series provides."

 

 

Ooohhh! Did I beat Sting with the scoop? All I really want to do in life is beat him to the cut n paste for once! :P

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Wow - Guess it's true!

 

"I am very pleased to confirm that the America's Cup, World Series will make a stop in Naples - said Richard Worth, president of the America's Cup Event Authority - Naples offers a beautiful Mediterranean scene, identified a natural stage in the Gulf: a complement determinant for the competition of the races offered by the AC World Series. "

 

http://translate.goo...1AnhxPY7To-wQsQ

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Ooohhh! Did I beat Sting with the scoop? All I really want to do in life is beat him to the cut n paste for once! :P

You did, you did! :lol:

 

But we have Xlot to thank for today's first-alert post... Despite all the disbelief over the prospect of Naples getting it together over the past weeks as I persisted with the links to all that news :)

 

I really hope this works out, Naples is actually my preference over even Venice.

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2011-2012 America's Cup World Series

 

August 6-14; Cascais, Portugal

September 10-18; Plymouth, UK

November 12-20; San Diego, USA

January/February; to be confirmed

April (tbc); Naples, Italy

May 12-20; Venice, Italy

June 23-July 1; Newport, Rhode Island, USA

 

 

 

 

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....

Notable too: '...persistent rumors speak of Luna Rossa.'

 

The Italian press has had a lot of hopeful speculation on this front during the past week, some mix of LR/Bertelli (in Plymouth recently) and Gardini and others being involved or at least being approached; seems Barovier (X40 Niceforyou) is in the thick of it too. Something about a meeting in Porto Cervo soon.

At FV today, g-tran excerpt:

 

Particularly expected the two Italian boats, Luna Rossa is fighting for the final victory in the circuit and Niceforyou. Il team di Alberto Barovier si è detto nei giorni scorsi assai interessato a un programma con gli AC45 in vista dell'evento a Venezia nel 2012. The team of Alberto Barovier said in recent days has been very interested in a program with the AC45 in view of the event in Venice in 2012. L'interesse di Patrizio Bertelli per la Coppa America è noto e anche il team Prada starebbe studiando una campagna AC45 per il prossimo anno. Patrizio Bertelli's interest in America's Cup is known and Prada, the team would be studying a campaign AC45 for next year. Curiosità anche per l'esordio al timone di un multiscafo per Ben Ainslie, il 4 volte medaglia olimpica inglese, che a Trapani sarà lo skipper di Oman Air. Curiosity for the debut at the helm of a multihull for Ben Ainslie, the British Olympic medal 4 times that in Trapani will be the skipper of Oman Air.

 

 

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Since there's no reason for a Newport thread just yet, pasting here

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http://www2.turnto10.com/sports/2011/sep/15/5/ri-says-americas-cup-event-bring-72m-boost-ar-739965/

 

NEWPORT, R.I. -- An America's Cup regatta being held in Rhode Island next summer will give the state's economy a $72 million boost and create 400 jobs, state officials said Thursday.

 

Keith Stokes, the executive director of the Rhode Island Economic Development Corporation, held up the nine-day America's Cup World Series event - to be hosted in the seaside city of Newport - as a jump-starter for the economy that will have a positive "ripple effect" for years to come.

 

The regatta is expected to feature top international sailors ahead of the 2013 America's Cup race in San Francisco and attract more than 100,000 visitors. It's scheduled to take place from June 23 to July 1.

 

The economic impact estimate, prepared by the state Department of Revenue, estimates $51 million in economic benefits from direct spending, including on construction, hotel rooms and restaurants, transportation and retail. An additional $21 million is projected in indirect spending by

 

contd

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It's their case to the public for investing in Fort Adams State Park. Note the 'State' which is why the gov is involved.

 

Who knows, it could be a smart move long-term. Stokes is quoted in another article saying that some of the Newport waterfront redevelopment has been a mistake, made good arguments to support it. Says it should have been zoned for a more maritime use. This takes them that direction.

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More from Newport

 

 

-Stingray-, what is your link with Stingray ? he looks to have nearly disapeared today and you post the same official material from ACEA.

 

Just curious...

I started the ~ one when on the verge of hitting 15K. Then I accidentally hit it anyway, using another computer... Soon as I take that 25K step, intentionally or not, then maybe I'll just go with it until... Well I don't even want to contemplate the next milestone! For now the 24 999 amuses me. Silly, but like with linking to 'official' material, which is where most of the active content actually is, it hurts noone at all.

 

Blowing counts to here makes a mockery of counts too, which also amuses me.

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BTW, Eagles may beat you at that game

 

Not even close. Stingray is averaging 6,250 posts a year to my piddling 2,740 per year. As you know, we are both paid piecework by ACEA and Sting drives a $60K Vette and I drive a pissant $36K Hybrid Escape.

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Any of you Euros heard any rumors about any ACWS events in France?

 

Marseille or Biscay would be good. especially Mistral with the former

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Any of you Euros heard any rumors about any ACWS events in France?

 

Marseille or Biscay would be good. especially Mistral with the former

 

^+1

 

Absolutely. Big city, big winds, great vantage points to watch the racing in close. Seems like the perfect place for an ACWS event.

 

Would Lorient be the best option on the Atlantic?

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Any of you Euros heard any rumors about any ACWS events in France?

 

Marseille or Biscay would be good. especially Mistral with the former

 

^+1

 

Absolutely. Big city, big winds, great vantage points to watch the racing in close. Seems like the perfect place for an ACWS event.

 

Would Lorient be the best option on the Atlantic?

Brest is the best place in France for many reasons.

 

BTW, GD was in Lorient 2 days ago and he said very, very interesting things that I will give soon.

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