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Exhaustive List of Lifting Keel / Drop Keel Boats

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I am wondering if there are any lifting keel / drop keel sailboats in the 24' to 35' range where the keel height can be adjusted while under sail. I want to learn more about the lifting keel solutions out there and try to find which boat has the best system. I am not sure about a hydraulic system as I think a boat with a hydraulic system will be outside my price range, even used. More I am looking for a boat which can include the up setting (for beaching / trailering), down sailing for sailing in wind and then one (or two) mid setting(s) for lighter winds, shallow waters, running, etc. Ideally the boat would be able to change keel settings while underway so it will probably have an enclosure to store the keel when all the way up or all the way down. I am interested boats from 24' on up, so we are talking about a system which can raise / lower a keel weighing at least 1,000 pounds.

 

I figure the easiest way to find this boat would be to create a list of all lifting keel / drop keel boats ever made and then describe what kind of drop keel they have. I will start the list with the only drop keel boat I have ever sailed on:

 

 

 

Hobie 33 - Drop keel but keel is fixed while under sail. No enclosure. Requires external mechanism to raise the keel.

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S2 7.9 ~600 lb board with 4 to 1 purchase for raising and lowering with the secondary wench

This is the only one I have experience with that has a lifting keel where it's allowed to lift in the class rules.

 

there are plenty of lifting keel boats that do not allow lifting the keel while racing. And there are plenty of older keel/centerboard designs which do, like the Tartan 27 or the Pearson Wanderer.

 

If you're not class racing, the Elliott 770 (25') will do what you want, though I don't recommend it. The keel is 850 lbs, the crane is permanently mounted over the keel slot. the lifting line goes through about an 8:1 purchase to one of the cabin-mounted primaries. It takes me about 4 minutes to raise it all the way to put it on the trailer, including a break or two because the f'er is heavy.

 

One of the lake lanier boats (I think it was there - may have been gulf coast) raised the keel halfway on a reach in violation of the class rules. I don't think there's any advantage to that at all, actually, given the chord of the keel to begin with. However, when they gybed and the lazy sheet caught the rope clutch handle and 850 lbs went crashing through the delrin retaining blocks, the fella learned WHY the class rules were written the way they were. It was an expensive lesson, since he had chartered the boat for the race.

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While underway - you will find that very few lift keel boats do this while under way. IF any for that matter.

 

The design that allows for lifting while under way is the swing center board. C&C's and a few other boats in your size range used these and they were quite popular in places of thin water along the eastern coast lines like Florida etc.

 

Vertical lifting keels have loads on them and they are generally designed to be in the full up position or full down position with no load on them between those two points. Meaning the boat is basically stopped while you lift the keel.

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The Lindenburg 22 was configured like the S2 7.9 with a winch on the cabin top. the keel form was constant section all the way down, so could be sailed without it flopping around.

 

Mine at 31ft lifts into the cabin, but the keel shape is only snug in the trunk fully down (a tapered section).

I can lift it temporarly if stuck on the bottom

 

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Confirming that the S2 7.9 can be raced keel up - if you are willing. I sail in S2 7.9 fleet #1 at Macatawa Bay Yacht Club and we (the fleet) don't actually crank ours up during either our casual or more serious races, just because it is a pain in the rear. It can be tempting when behind on a downwind leg though.

 

I actually just happened across this article on the class site which talks about the official class rules for keel-up http://www.sail79s.org/pages/miscpgs/BOARDUP.HTM

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Adams 13 is a shoal keel/cassette rudder fast cruiser with an unballasted (negatively bouyant) daggerboard. Raised by a cabin top winch and routinely retracted when off the wind. Rudder blade can be retracted to a position above the shoal keel when motoring but not recommended under sail (don't ask how I know :huh: )

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I am wondering if there are any lifting keel / drop keel sailboats in the 24' to 35' range where the keel height can be adjusted while under sail.

At 23', the Santana 23 doesn't qualify.

 

Oh well...

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I am wondering if there are any lifting keel / drop keel sailboats in the 24' to 35' range where the keel height can be adjusted while under sail.

At 23', the Santana 23 doesn't qualify.

 

Oh well...

 

Well, the Adams 13 is a small 43 footer.....

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I think the B25 has a drop keel but I do not think it can be raised while under way. Melges 24 have a similar arrangement.

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'82 MacGregor 25 has a 625 lb. swing keel. Leave it down to weather, up downwind or light conditions. Raise it when grounded. Or here on the Chesapeake, "mudded".

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There is a

Kiwi 22 . I am still thinking about one. Seems it was a up or down thing. Frack rig, open ended cotpit Flush deck, deck stepped mast, Light weight. Keel was a dagger pulled up into the cabin top with a short trunk. Im not sure if it was movable under way..

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While underway - you will find that very few lift keel boats do this while under way. IF any for that matter.

 

Vertical lifting keels have loads on them and they are generally designed to be in the full up position or full down position with no load on them between those two points. Meaning the boat is basically stopped while you lift the keel.

 

Would kind of agree with that. We always have ours fully down and locked just in case of a knock down/broach, last thing you need is 250kg+ swinging around the deck.

The only exception is in light (5-7kt) air we might retract the keel halfway after popping the kite, the boat has lots form stability though.

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Adams 13 is a shoal keel/cassette rudder fast cruiser with an unballasted (negatively bouyant) daggerboard. Raised by a cabin top winch and routinely retracted when off the wind. Rudder blade can be retracted to a position above the shoal keel when motoring but not recommended under sail (don't ask how I know :huh: )

 

Right on! I bet that got the skipper's attention!

 

Our Adams 13 has a shoal draft rudder but it just manages on a work. She loves a reach and the board does come up for running.

 

Did a 13 get stateside?

 

Cheers,

 

Jim B)

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Back in the IOR days Irwin Comp. 30, a 1/2 tonner with a lift it underway dagger board. More modern is the Beneteau First Class 8 has a swing keel, uses a jack screw and is pretty easy to adjust while sailing.

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I am wondering if there are any lifting keel / drop keel sailboats in the 24' to 35' range where the keel height can be adjusted while under sail.

... ... ...

 

I am interested boats from 24' on up, so we are talking about a system which can raise / lower a keel weighing at least 1,000 pounds.

 

I figure the easiest way to find this boat would be to create a list of all lifting keel / drop keel boats ever made and then describe what kind of drop keel they have. I will start the list with the only drop keel boat I have ever sailed on:

 

 

 

Hobie 33 - Drop keel but keel is fixed while under sail. No enclosure. Requires external mechanism to raise the keel.

 

Sure

Here ya go

 

This is not "exhaustive" but it's got a lot of boats on it. Some I am not sure of the ability to raise the keel while underway but most are. It used to be common for production builders (Columbia, Morgan, Irwin, to name just a few) to build boats patterned after the CCA rating rule, which encouraged wide beam, long shallow keels with attached rudders, and centerboards. These boats are not as fast nor as roomy as their modern counterparts but they (mostly) are good-looking & capable boats. Then there was a fad for centerboards & daggerboards in hot racing boats in the mid/late 1970s. Some of these boats are still around, some were adapted to mass production.

 

My personal taste in boats runs to the practical, and since our area contains a lot of shallow water, I like lifting keels too. It takes more maintenance BUT it greatly increases the range of sail-able waters. It can also reduce expenses because you can put the boat in a cheap slip nobody else wants.

 

This list is taken from a large database of about 3500 boats, contributed to by many including some regulars here who used to inhabit ALT.SAILING.ASA ... and many thanks are due...

 

Enjoy, and happy hunting

 

FB- Doug

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"NAME" "DESIGNER" "LOA" "LWL" "BEAM" "DRAFT" "TYPE" "RIG" "DISP" "BALL" "SA" SA/DISP DISP/LWL COMFORT Cap Scr L/B ROLL ACEL. PERIOD P/B V HULL V Max Vm/Vh PHRF Noelex 22 Trethewey/Honey 21.4 17.2 7.1 9"/ 4 Mono-DrK Sloop-Fr 1,597 427 190

22.3 140 9.8 2.35

3.01 0.286 1.2 2.64

5.56 7.08 1.27

 

Lindenberg 22 Kelley, Bruce 21.5 17.3 8.0 .8/4.7 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 1,800 800 214

23.2 157 9.4 2.54

2.69 0.405 1.1 2.30

5.57 7.16 1.29

207 Santana 23 Turner, Shad 23.3 20.6 8.9 1.1 / 5.5 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,900 1,130 283

22.3 148 11.4 2.41

2.62 0.342 1.4 2.58

6.08 7.62 1.25

184 Jeanneau Tonic 24 Harle, Phillippe 23.6 20.3 8.2 2.3/4.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop-Fr 2,932 1,058 243

19.0 156 12.9 2.22

2.88 0.230 1.6 3.08

6.04 7.18 1.19

240 Hunter 23.5 Hunter Design Group 23.7 21.4 8.3 1.5/5.5 MONO-WB Sloop-Fr 3,300 1,300 236

17.1 150 13.8 2.16

2.86 0.207 1.7 3.26

6.20 7.08 1.14

246 Yankee Seahorse 24 S&S/Rob't Finch 23.8 20.0 7.9 1.7/4.7 MONO-K/CB Sloop 2,800 850 227

18.3 156 13.1 2.17

3.01 0.205 1.6 3.23

5.99 7.04 1.17

 

Seidelmann 24 Seidelmann 23.8 20.5 8.0 1.9/4.4 MONO-K/CB Sloop-Fr 3,000 1,100 277

21.3 155 13.5 2.15

2.98 0.198 1.6 3.30

6.07 7.48 1.23

222 S2 7.3

23.8 18.5 8.0 4.0 MONO SLOOP 3,250 1,300 251

18.4 229 15.7 2.09

2.98 0.155 1.9 3.72

5.76 6.74 1.17

234 F-240s

23.9 21.5 8.2 .8/6 MONO-SwK Sloop-Fr 1,819 860 323

34.8 82 7.7 2.60

2.92 0.556 1.0 1.98

6.21 9.14 1.47

 

Rodgers 24 Rodgers, O.H. 24.0 20.0 8.0 1.3/5.68 MONO-SwK Sloop-Fr 2,200 750 259

24.6 123 10.0 2.38

3.00 0.331 1.3 2.55

5.99 7.81 1.30

186 Bull 7000 Young, Greg 24.0 22.5 8.0 1.4/? MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,200 715 299

28.3 86 9.3 2.38

3.00 0.373 1.2 2.40

6.36 8.69 1.37

168 Captiva 240 Rodgers, O.H. 24.0 20.0 8.2 2.0 / 4.67 MONO-SwK Sloop-Fr 2,400 1,000 280

25.1 134 10.7 2.36

2.94 0.313 1.3 2.64

5.99 7.85 1.31

222 Windrose 24 Laguna Yachts 24.0 22.4 7.8 1.5/5.1 MONO-SwK SLOOP 2,400 700 228

20.4 95 10.4 2.26

3.07 0.289 1.3 2.71

6.34 7.76 1.22

 

Spindrift 22 HINCKLEY 24.0 20.3 8.0 2'5"/5'7" MONO Sloop-Fr 3,000 1,450 248

19.1 161 13.6 2.15

3.00 0.195 1.7 3.32

6.03 7.17 1.19

246 Beneteau First 24 Group Finot 24.0 20.7 8.2 2.6/5.3 MONO-SwK Sloop 3,307 1,102 437

31.6 167 14.4 2.12

2.94 0.185 1.7 3.43

6.09 8.54 1.40

189 Bahama Sandpiper Paine 24.0 22.5 8.0 1'6"/6' MONO-CB Cat-Ketch 4,140 1,500 305

19.0 162 17.5 1.93

3.00 0.124 2.1 4.17

6.36 7.47 1.18

 

Seidelmann 245 Seidelmann 24.2 20.5 8.0 1.9/4.4 MONO-K/CB Sloop 3,000 1,300 275

21.2 155

2.15

 

 

 

 

 

6.07 7.47 1.23

 

Etap 23 (7.36m) DeRidder 24.2 19.0 8.2 2.3/4.8 MONO-DrK Sloop 3,320 1,035 289

20.8 216 15.2 2.12

2.96 0.169 1.8 3.59

5.84 7.12 1.22

 

Farr 740 Sport Farr 24.2 20.5 8.2 11"/5'7" MONO-DrK SLOOP 3,120 850 255

19.2 162 13.6 2.16

2.96 0.203 1.6 3.27

6.07 7.21 1.19

162 FCS 24 FOX 24.3 21.7 8.0 1.5/5.5 WISHBONE KETCH 4,500 1,900 250

14.7 197 19.4 1.87

3.04 0.103 2.3 4.56

6.24 6.72 1.08

 

Seaward 24 Hake 24.3 22.2 8.4 2/5.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop-Fr 5,100 1,100 243

13.1 209 20.2 1.89

2.89 0.107 2.3 4.55

6.31 6.52 1.03

 

Ultimate 24 Antrim, Jim 24.4 21.2 8.5 2.9 /5.5 Mono-LK Sloop-Fr 2,040 750 390

38.9 96 8.2 2.59

2.87 0.528 1.1 2.05

6.17 9.39 1.52

 

Terrapin 24

24.5 20.1 8.0 .8/5 MONO-CB Cat-Ketch 2,150 ? 216

20.8 118 9.7 2.40

3.06 0.347 1.2 2.49

6.01 7.41 1.23

 

Freedom 24 Tripp 24.5 21.5 8.3 1.83'/4' MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 3,250 1,350 378

27.6 146 13.5 2.15

2.97 0.208 1.6 3.25

6.21 8.33 1.34

168 Morgan 24 Morgan, Charles 24.5 21.0 8.0 2.8/6 MONO-K/CB Sloop 5,000 1,900 310

17.0 241 22.0 1.81

3.06 0.083 2.5 5.09

6.14 6.92 1.13

231 VENTURE 224 MACGREGOR 24.6 21.3 7.9 4.5 SWING KEEL SLOOP 2,200 600 231

21.9 102 9.7 2.35

3.11 0.333 1.3 2.53

6.18 7.76 1.25

243 Helms 25 Windley, Stuart 24.9 21.5 8.0 1.7/6 MONO-SwK Sloop 3,950 1,650 270

17.3 177 17.1 1.95

3.13 0.125 2.1 4.14

6.21 7.09 1.14

243 ST. VALERY BOLGER 24.9 20.9 6.6 1.0 SHOALE DRAFT, WATER BALLAST GAFF SCHOONER 4,700 1,000 349

20.0 230 26.6 1.52

3.77 0.037 3.2 7.10

6.13 7.29 1.19

 

MacGregor 25 MacGregor 24.9 22.8 7.9 1.5'/5' MONO-SwK Sloop-Fr 2,100 625 314

30.7 79 8.8 2.39

3.15 0.392 1.2 2.34

6.40 9.00 1.41

234 Venture 25 MacGregor 24.9 22.8 7.9 1.5'/5' MONO-SwK Sloop-Fr 2,300 600 231

21.3 86 9.6 2.32

3.15 0.334 1.3 2.53

6.40 7.94 1.24

234 Sportina 760 Skrzat, Andrzej 24.9 24.3 8.2 1.3 / 4.8 MONO-K/CB Sloop-Fr 5,070 1,718 291

15.8 159 19.4 1.85

 

 

 

 

 

6.60 7.26 1.10

 

MX-25 MURNIKOV 25.0 24.5 9.0 6.0 LIFTING FIN + BULB SLOOP 1,800 900 450

48.8 55 6.0 2.86

2.78 0.984 0.8 1.53

6.63 10.93 1.65

 

B-25 Bailey 25.0 21.3 8.3 1'/5' MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,000 800 273

27.6 92 8.2 2.55

3.01 0.493 1.1 2.11

6.18 8.40 1.36

132 ~ 144 Elliott 770 Elliott 25.0 23.6 8.2 1'7"/5'8" MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,400 850 320

28.6 82 9.4 2.36

3.06 0.370 1.2 2.43

6.51 8.91 1.37

117 Dehler 25 Van DeStadt 25.0 19.5 8.2 1.5/4.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop 3,031 1,553 278

21.3 182 13.5 2.18

3.06 0.203 1.6 3.27

5.92 7.29 1.23

226 CATALINA 250, H2O Butler, Frank 25.0 21.3 8.5 1.8/5.9 WATER BALLAST SLOOP 3,600 1,200 271

18.5 166 14.3 2.14

2.94 0.197 1.7 3.36

6.18 7.24 1.17

235 Bremer 25 BREMER 25.0 22.5 8.0 2.5/6.2 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 3,800 1,600 308

20.3 149 15.8 1.98

3.13 0.144 1.9 3.87

6.36 7.66 1.20

 

Coronado 25 SD 25.0 20.0 8.0 2.5/4.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 4,300 1,800 273

16.6 240 19.4 1.90

3.13 0.103 2.3 4.57

5.99 6.72 1.12

 

CATALINA 25 Butler, Frank 25.0 22.3 8.0 2.1 / 5.1 MONO-SwK Sloop-MH 4,550 1,200 270

15.8 183 19.1 1.87

3.13 0.104 2.3 4.55

6.33 6.97 1.10

222 Morgan 25 Morgan, Charles 25.0 21.5 8.0 2.8/6.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 5,000 1,900 310

17.0 225 21.5 1.81

3.13 0.085 2.5 5.03

6.21 7.00 1.13

234 Irwin 25 1/4T Irwin, Ted 25.2 19.3 9.5 3.5/6.2 MONO-DrK Sloop 4,000 2,000 279

17.8 247 14.6 2.31

2.65 0.246 1.7 3.09

5.89 6.78 1.15

 

ENSENADA 25 Hankinson 25.2 22.2 7.9 2.2 MONO-CB SLOOP 3,000 1,200 278

21.4 122 12.8 2.12

3.19 0.202 1.6 3.25

6.31 7.80 1.23

 

Black Skimmer Bolger 25.3 23.7 7.0 .8/4.8 MONO-LB Cat-Yawl 2,800 500 304

24.5 94 13.4 1.92

3.61 0.138 1.8 3.77

6.52 8.44 1.29

 

BeachComber 25 Scott, Walt 25.3 23.0 8.0 1.25 BU MONO-CB Cat-Ketch 4,350 1,200 280

16.9 160 17.8 1.90

3.16 0.116 2.1 4.30

6.43 7.25 1.13

 

Irwin 10/4 Irwin, Ted 25.3 22.8 10.3 2.8/6.7 MONO-K/CB SLOOP 7,000 2,000 395

17.3 263 20.5 2.08

2.46 0.157 2.2 3.95

6.40 7.19 1.12

270 SR 25 Henderson 25.4 21.0 8.5 1.3/5.4 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 1,960 ? 275

28.2 94 7.8 2.63

2.99 0.561 1.0 1.99

6.14 8.40 1.37

120 Skimmer 25 Parker 25.4 24.0 8.2 1'4"/3'10" MONO-CB Sloop-Gaff 3,800 1,000 375

24.7 123 14.6 2.02

3.11 0.169 1.8 3.59

6.56 8.44 1.29

 

Irwin 25 Irwin, Ted 25.4 20.5 8.0 2.7/6.7 MONO-K/CB Sloop 5,400 ? 315

16.4 280 23.8 1.76

3.18 0.071 2.7 5.51

6.07 6.74 1.11

 

Elliott 780 Elliott, Greg 25.5 22.3 8.2 1.6 / 5.3 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,200 880 432

41.0 88 8.8 2.44

3.11 0.416 1.2 2.29

6.33 9.79 1.55

 

Tradewinds 26 Luger 25.6

7.9 2.2/5.5 MONO-SwK Sloop-Fr 2,600 750 235

19.9

33.2 2.23

3.23 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0!

0.00 0.00

 

 

Balboa 26 Hess, Lyle 25.6 20.8 8.0 1.8'/5 MONO-SwK Sloop 3,600 1,200 293

20.0 178 15.8 2.01

3.21 0.143 1.9 3.88

6.12 7.34 1.20

225 CHRYSLER 26 Herreshoff, H 25.6 22.0 8.0 2.1 / 5.7 MONO SLOOP 4,200 1,925 277

17.1 176 17.6 1.92

3.20 0.118 2.1 4.27

6.29 7.13 1.13

237 Parker-Dawson 26 Finch, Bob 25.6 22.2 8.0 1.7/5.3 MONO-SwK Sloop 5,700 1,200 271

13.6 234 23.8 1.73

3.20 0.070 2.8 5.55

6.31 6.58 1.04

 

Beneteau First Class 8 Finot 25.8 23.3 8.1 2.2/5.7 Mono-SwK Sloop-Fr 3,080 1,133 371

28.1 109 12.2 2.15

3.18 0.227 1.6 3.09

6.46 8.73 1.35

144 ~ 156 HUNTER 260 KEEL HUNTER DESIGN 25.8 23.1 8.9 1.6 SWING KEEL SLOOP 5,000 2,000 290

15.9 181 17.6 2.01

2.90 0.149 2.1 3.92

6.44 7.10 1.10

 

MacGregor 26X MacGregor 25.8 23.0 7.8 9"/5'6" MONO-WB Sloop-Fr 3,750 1,500 281

18.7 138 15.7 1.95

3.30 0.136 1.9 3.95

6.43 7.53 1.17

252 South Coast 26 Metcalf/Monroe 25.8 23.3 8.0 1.8/3.8 MONO-DrK SLOOP 4,200 1,473 250

15.4 149 16.9 1.92

3.23 0.125 2.1 4.15

6.46 7.08 1.10

267 Etap 26 Van DeStadt 25.8 21.6 9.0 3.1/5.4 MONO-DrK Sloop 5,000 1,545 384

21.1 222 18.1 2.04

2.87 0.146 2.1 3.96

6.22 7.53 1.21

 

S2 7.9 G & S 25.9 21.7 9.0 1'8"/5'2" MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 4,250 1,750 329

20.1 187 15.3 2.15

2.88 0.194 1.8 3.43

6.24 7.47 1.20

162~174 Left Coast Dart Bailey 26.0 26.0 8.5 2'/6'

Sloop-Fr 2,200 850

 

 

56 7.6 2.53

3.06 0.568 1.0 1.98

6.83

 

 

 

Princess Sharpie 26 Byrnes, Graham 26.0 25.0 8.0 1.3' / 4.7' MONO-CB Cat-Ketch 3,700 700 294

19.7 106 14.2 2.00

3.25 0.167 1.8 3.59

6.70 8.00 1.19

 

Great Harbor 26 Cook, Bill 26.0 20.5 7.8 1.8/5 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 3,625 1,494 303

20.6 188 16.3 1.97

3.32 0.129 2.0 4.06

6.07 7.35 1.21

186 Evelyn 26 Evelyn, Bob 26.0 24.6 9.5 1'/5' MONO-DrK Sloop 4,200 1,620 327

20.2 126 12.9 2.28

2.74 0.287 1.6 2.86

6.64 7.96 1.20

165 Kent Ranger 26 Richards, Ray 26.0 22.0 8.0 2.4/4.9 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 4,750

320

18.2 199 19.8 1.84

3.25 0.095 2.4 4.75

6.29 7.25 1.15

 

Alerion Herreshoff, NG 26.0 21.8 7.6 2'5"/5'2" MONO-K/CB Sloop-Fr 6,000 3,000 383

18.6 260 27.1 1.61

3.43 0.049 3.2 6.52

6.25 7.22 1.16

228 Bombay Express 26 Scott, Walter 26.0 24.1 10.5 2.3/5.8 MONO-K/CB Sloop 7,500 2,500 412

17.3 239 20.5 2.07

2.48 0.159 2.2 3.93

6.58 7.36 1.12

234 DiDi 26 Dix, Dudley 26.3 24.8 8.1 1.7/5.6 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,204 959 343

32.5 65 8.3 2.41

3.24 0.433 1.1 2.24

6.67 9.54 1.43

101 KODIAK BREWER 26.3 24.2 8.5 1.6 CB

3,250 1,350 285

20.8 102 11.7 2.22

3.09 0.268 1.5 2.88

6.59 8.05 1.22

 

Island Packet 27 Johnson, R.K. 26.5 24.3 10.5 3.7 MONO-K/CB Cutter 8,000 3,000 405

16.3 250 21.6 2.03

2.52 0.143 2.4 4.14

6.60 7.23 1.10

234 Marshall Cat 26 Marshall, Breck 26.5 25.0 11.8 2.5/5.4 MONO Cat-Gaff 10,000 1,200 540

18.7 286 22.8 2.11

2.26 0.164 2.4 3.96

6.70 7.64 1.14

 

Tripp 26 Tripp 26.7 22.0 8.7 6.0 LIFTING BULB KEEL Sloop-Fr 2,900 1,000 347

27.4 122 10.8 2.35

3.08 0.325 1.4 2.63

6.29 8.43 1.34

108 WHELAN 27 WHELAN 26.8 26.0 9.0 6.8 LIFTING FIN + BU SLOOP 2,200 900 432

41.0 56 6.9 2.68

2.98 0.736 0.9 1.77

6.83 10.56 1.55

 

BC-27 m2

27.0 26.3 8.5 6.5 LIFTING BULB KEEL Sloop-Fr 2,400 1,360 500

44.7 59 8.1 2.45

3.18 0.494 1.1 2.12

6.87 10.91 1.59

 

Captiva 27 Rodgers & Scott 27.0 22.5 9.8 2.8'/5.3' MONO-K/CB Sloop 6,000 2,500 362

17.6 235 18.7 2.08

2.77 0.158 2.1 3.88

6.36 7.21 1.13

 

Irwin 27 Irwin, Ted 27.1 20.5 8.7 2.7/7.1 MONO-K/CB Sloop 6,600 2,700 356

16.2 342 25.5 1.79

3.13 0.072 2.9 5.58

6.07 6.68 1.10

225 Jeanneau Espace 800 Harle, Phillippe 27.3 22.8 9.8 3.1/7 MONO-K/CB Sloop 7,000 2,400 553

24.3 263 21.3 1.99

2.77 0.127 2.4 4.33

6.40 8.04 1.26

 

Controversy 27 Butler, Frank 27.5 22.5 7.9 2.9/? MONO-K/CB Sloop 4,600

316

18.3 180 18.8 1.84

3.47 0.098 2.3 4.66

6.36 7.36 1.16

 

Sea Pearl 28 Herreshoff 27.8 24.6 8.0 1.6/5.5 MONO-CB Cat-Ketch 4,200 1,200 296

18.2 126 15.9 1.92

3.48 0.132 2.0 4.04

6.65 7.70 1.16

 

Antrim 27 Antrim 27.8 23.8 9.3 3.3/6 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,600 1,050 489

41.5 87 8.3 2.60

3.01 0.568 1.1 2.02

6.53 10.09 1.54

60 Andrews 28 Andrews, Alan 28.0 25.8 9.9 2.5 / 7 MONO-DrK Sloop-Fr 2,750 1,290 412

33.7 72 7.6 2.74

2.82 0.763 1.0 1.77

6.80 9.79 1.44

94 Stuart Knockabout Herreshoff, LF 28.0 22.8 6.9 2'9"/5'6" MONO-K/CB Sloop-Fr 4,000 2,400 265

16.9 150 19.2 1.69

4.04 0.068 2.5 5.35

6.40 7.24 1.13

189 Shearwater Bolger 28.3 24.8 6.5 .5/3.3 MONO-LB Cat-Yawl 2,550 600 233

20.0 75 12.6 1.84

4.35 0.119 1.8 3.94

6.67 8.09 1.21

 

Freedom 28 Hoyt, Gary 28.3 25.8 9.3 2.5/5.3 MONO-CB Cat Ketch 7,000

395

17.3 183 20.8 1.89

3.04 0.114 2.4 4.53

6.80 7.64 1.12

189 Nimble 24 Brewer 28.4 24.2 8.3 1.3'/4.2' MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 2,600 ? 252

21.4 82 9.5 2.32

3.44 0.344 1.3 2.52

6.59 8.16 1.24

 

Irwin 28 Irwin, Ted 28.4 22.5 9.0 3/7.3 MONO-K/CB Sloop 7,900 3,200 394

15.9 310 26.9 1.75

3.16 0.069 3.1 5.79

6.36 6.92 1.09

201~228 Nimble WANDERER Brewer 28.6 27.7 8.5 2.0 MONO-CB SLOOP 6,400 2,048 412

19.2 134 20.4 1.77

3.36 0.094 2.5 4.87

7.05 8.22 1.16

 

Beneteau First 27.7 Finot 28.8 27.0 10.1 2.0/7.0 Mono-LK Sloop-Fr 5,500 990 474

24.4 125 14.2 2.21

2.85 0.259 1.7 3.06

6.96 8.83 1.27

 

Beneteau First 28 Group Finot 28.8 24.3 9.8 3.8/6.8 MONO-K/CB SLOOP 5,952 2,205

 

0.0 186 17.1 2.10

2.93 0.179 2.0 3.65

6.60 0.00 0.00

 

AS-29 BOLGER 29.0 29.0 8.0 2.0 SHARPIE, BILGE BOARDS GAFF, CAT YAWL 7,800 1,420 363

14.8 143 26.0 1.56

3.63 0.053 3.2 6.38

7.22 7.67 1.06

 

Sharp-ende 900 (modernized Egret) Monro, R 29.3 27.1 7.8 1 / 4.9 Mono CB Gaff Cat-Ketch 3,960 660 306

19.6 89 14.3 1.91

3.76 0.143 1.9 3.84

6.98 8.30 1.19

 

WILLIAM D. JOCHEMS BOLGER 29.7 24.2 7.1 1.2 SHOAL DRAFT SHARPIE, WATER BALLAST GAFF SCHOONER 4,900 1,136 392

21.8 154 21.5 1.62

4.18 0.057 2.8 5.91

6.59 8.07 1.22

 

Sonoma 30 Schumacher 29.9 26.9 8.5 2'/6' LIFTING BULB KEEL Sloop-Fr 3,300 1,400 370

26.8 76 10.6 2.21

3.52 0.290 1.4 2.77

6.95 9.22 1.33

92 C&C Mega 30 G & S ? Barret, Peter ? 29.9 27.0 7.9 5.0 MONO Sloop-Fr 4,500 2,200 427

25.1 102 15.8 1.86

3.78 0.123 2.1 4.18

6.96 8.96 1.29

144 Bristol 29.9 C & C 29.9 24.0 9.3 3.5/7.5 MONO-K/CB SLOOP 8,650 3,600 391

14.9 279 26.5 1.76

3.21 0.073 3.0 5.64

6.56 6.97 1.06

192 Morgan 30 Morgan, Charles 29.9 24.2 9.3 3.5/7 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 10,500 4,500 466

15.6 332 32.4 1.63

3.23 0.051 3.6 6.77

6.59 7.06 1.07

204 ISLAND PACKET 31 JOHNSON 30.6 27.7 11.5 4.0 CB CUTTER 11,000 4,500 648

21.0 231 23.0 2.00

2.66 0.140 2.5 4.26

7.05 8.34 1.18

 

Irwin 31 Irwin, Ted 31.0 22.3 9.6 3.3/7.8 MONO-K/CB

9,600 3,800 460

16.3 389 29.4 1.74

3.24 0.064 3.3 6.09

6.32 6.90 1.09

225 BRISTOL 31.1 31.1 24.8 10.2 4.3 CB SLOOP 11,200 4,500 474

15.2 328 29.4 1.76

3.05 0.072 3.3 5.82

6.67 7.08 1.06

174 C&C Corvette 31 (1965) C&C 31.3 22.0 9.1 3.3/7 MONO CCA type K/CB Sloop-MH 8,545 4,500 444

17.1 358 28.2 1.72

3.44 0.061 3.3 6.15

6.29 6.98 1.11

183 ~ 207 C&C 32cb C & C 31.6 24.8 10.3 4.0 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 10,050 4,150 466

16.1 294 25.9 1.85

3.07 0.090 2.9 5.19

6.67 7.24 1.08

177 Kirie Feeling 32cb Joubert & Roseo 31.8 28.6 11.3 2.2/6.3 CB Sloop-Fr 9,790 3,410 544

19.1 187 20.3 2.04

2.81 0.164 2.3 3.93

7.17 8.23 1.15

 

Jeanneau ATTALIA CB Joubert/Nivelt 31.9 25.9 10.5 3.5/6.5 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 7,616 2,688 555

23.0 196 18.5 2.06

3.04 0.167 2.2 3.84

6.82 8.40 1.23

166 Columbia 32 Kernan 32.0 27.0 9.5 2.7'/7' LIFTING BULB KEEL Sloop-Fr 3,600 1,650 460

31.4 82 9.7 2.40

3.37 0.412 1.3 2.39

6.96 9.72 1.40

 

FEELING 326 D.I. HARLE/MORTAIN 32.0 26.8 11.1 2.2 CB

8,377 2,866 546

21.2 194 18.5 2.11

2.88 0.187 2.2 3.67

6.94 8.30 1.20

 

Southerly 100 Carter, Dick 32.0 25.3 9.9 1.8/5.8 Mono-CB Sloop-MH 9,500 2,774 478

17.1 261 25.3 1.81

3.23 0.086 2.9 5.27

6.74 7.48 1.11

 

Irwin 32 Irwin, Ted 32.0 25.0 9.7 3.5/7.8 MONO-K/CB

11,500 5,200 492

15.5 329 31.9 1.66

3.31 0.055 3.6 6.60

6.70 7.15 1.07

186 ISLAND PACKET 29 JOHNSON 32.0 25.6 10.9 3.5 CB CUTTER 11,900 4,800 491

15.1 317 27.7 1.85

2.94 0.089 3.1 5.29

6.78 7.17 1.06

204 Whistler 32 Able/Paine 32.0 25.8 10.5 3.6/7.7 MONO Cutter 11,986 5,000 520

15.9 310 29.2 1.78

3.05 0.075 3.3 5.71

6.81 7.33 1.08

 

Jeanneau 32 32.0 27.8 10.5 3.2 CB Sloop 13,000

 

 

0.0 272 30.2 1.73

3.05 0.070 3.4 5.91

7.06 0.00 0.00

 

Seaward Eagle Hake 32.2 28.5 10.5 1.5/6.5 MONO-DrK Sloop-MH 9,000 2,500 460

17.1 174 20.5 1.95

3.06 0.137 2.4 4.23

7.15 7.94 1.11

 

SUNBEAM 32 MIGLITSCH/SCHOECHL 32.2 26.0 10.2 4.1 MED. KEEL + BULB

9,500 0 411

14.7 241 23.9 1.86

3.16 0.100 2.8 4.92

6.83 7.20 1.05

 

Shoalsailer 32 Schulz, Walter 32.4 30.0 12.8 2.5 MONO-DB Sloop-Fr 9,532 2,200 540

19.3 158 16.2 2.33

2.54 0.304 1.9 2.94

7.34 8.47 1.15

 

Speedwave 32 Southerly 32.8 30.5 9.5 2.8 / 7.5 MONO-CB Sloop-Fr 5,510 1,850 600

30.9 87 13.6 2.08

3.45 0.222 1.8 3.26

7.40 10.14 1.37

 

Hobie 33

33.0 30.5 8.0 5.5 FIN + Bulb Spade Sloop-Fr 4,000 1,800 427

27.2 63 12.4 1.95

4.13 0.178 1.7 3.47

7.40 9.81 1.33

90~105 Tripp 33 Tripp 33.0 28.0 10.3 7.0 FIN + BULB Sloop-Fr 5,900 2,600 540

26.6 120 13.8 2.21

3.19 0.262 1.7 3.05

7.09 9.23 1.30

87 Jeanneau Sun Rise 33 Fauroux, Jacques 33.0 28.1 11.5 3.7/ 7.3 MONO-DrK Sloop-MH 11,242 4,158 687

22.0 226 22.8 1.98

2.88 0.135 2.6 4.34

7.11 8.52 1.20

132 Freedom 33 Hoyt, Gary 33.0 30.0 11.0 3.5/6 MONO-CB Cat-Ketch 12,000 3,800 516

15.8 198 24.6 1.86

3.00 0.107 2.8 4.83

7.34 7.87 1.07

162 Columbia 33 Monroe, Wirth 33.1 24.0 9.8 3.6/7 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 11,000 4,200 476

15.5 355 30.3 1.71

3.37 0.061 3.5 6.27

6.56 7.01 1.07

216 Van De Stadt 34 Van De Stadt 33.7 26.3 10.8 3.2/5.9 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 9,900 4,400 711

24.8 244 22.5 1.95

3.11 0.123 2.6 4.50

6.87 8.60 1.25

 

Sabre 38 CB Sabre 33.7 26.3 10.5 3.9/7.8 MONO-K/CB SLOOP 11,700 4,900 507

15.8 289 27.7 1.79

3.21 0.080 3.2 5.54

6.87 7.37 1.07

156 Ticon 34 Kirby, Bruce 33.7 31.3 12.6 3.8 Keel/CB Cat Ketch 13,800 6,000 762

21.3 202 22.9 2.03

2.68 0.157 2.6 4.09

7.49 8.84 1.18

156 Sabre 34 CB Hewson, Roger 34.2 28.3 11.0 4/7.33 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 11,700 4,900 542

16.9 232 24.6 1.88

3.10 0.106 2.8 4.85

7.12 7.82 1.10

162 Mason 34 C/B Mason, Al 34.2 25.4 10.5 3'8"/6'8" MONO-CB Sloop-Fr 14,600 4,370 572

15.4 397 35.1 1.66

3.25 0.053 3.9 6.83

6.76 7.14 1.06

 

FEELING 346 DI VATON 34.2 28.5 11.3 2.3 CB

10,802 3,704 677

22.2 208 21.9 1.98

3.03 0.138 2.5 4.28

7.15 8.63 1.21

 

SUNBEAM 34 MIGLITSCH/SCHOECHL 34.2 28.4 11.3 4.4 MED. KEEL + BULB

13,000 0 470

13.6 253 26.4 1.86

3.03 0.099 3.0 5.04

7.14 7.28 1.02

 

Tanzer 10.5 Carter, Dick 34.4 27.5 11.5 2.1/6.5 MONO-CB Sloop-MH 13,000 5,700 557

16.2 279 26.3 1.89

2.99 0.104 3.0 4.95

7.03 7.58 1.08

162 Nightwind 35 Kirby, Bruce 34.7 28.1 11.5 2.8/7.3 MONO-CB SLOOP 11,500 5,200 642

20.2 231 22.9 1.97

3.01 0.131 2.6 4.40

7.10 8.28 1.17

126 CLEARWATER 36 Walters 35.2 27.7 11.3 3.7 CB SLOOP 11,500 4,000 524

16.5 242 23.5 1.94

3.12 0.120 2.7 4.59

7.05 7.69 1.09

111 SOUTHERLY 110 HUMPHREYS 36.0 30.3 11.9 2.4 - 7.1 SWING KEEL SLOOP 13,750 6,765 570

15.9 221 24.5 1.92

3.03 0.120 2.8 4.62

7.38 7.91 1.07

 

Jeanneau Sunshine 36 Castro, Tony 36.4 30.7 12.6 4.1/6.3 MONO-K/CB Sloop-MH 10,800

 

 

 

167 17.7 2.20

2.90 0.236 2.1 3.33

7.42 0.00 0.00

108~117 Morgan 364 Nelson/Marek 36.4 29.4 11.8 4.6/6.9 MONO-K/CB Sloop 11,000

574

18.6 193 20.1 2.06

3.08 0.168 2.4 3.91

7.27 8.26 1.14

117 Kirie Feeling 36 Joubert & Roseo 36.5 35.5 11.9 2.5/7.1 CB Sloop-Frac 14,300 5,236 722

19.7 143 22.8 1.90

3.07 0.132 2.7 4.42

7.98 9.17 1.15

 

 

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The Mirage 236 has a drop keel, actually more like a daggerboard. The daggerboard/keel is unballasted and is raised or lowered with a 2-1 purchase lead to a winch on the mast support. The keel can be raised or lowered while under sail, and can be locked in at all the way up or down, so you don't need to worry about it slamming around if you get knocked over.

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Ross 780.

 

Keel sits in a trunk that runs from hull to deck, just aft of the bulkhead. For raising and lowering, the standard setup includes a 6:1 tackle lead back to the cabin top winch. If I remember correctly, a few owners have installed electric winches. I believe that there is about 1000 lbs in the keel.

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Not that this topic has not been covered 3 or 4 times here. I have a Lindneberg 22 you can raise the keel under sail, down wind is money with the keel up. Yes I know you said 24 I thought I would throw it in. The Tripp 26 is the nicest boat in the range you are speculating about. The keel can not be raised under sail but no need it smokes running just off the wind. And the point of this is? your google broke?

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Adams 13 is a shoal keel/cassette rudder fast cruiser with an unballasted (negatively bouyant) daggerboard. Raised by a cabin top winch and routinely retracted when off the wind. Rudder blade can be retracted to a position above the shoal keel when motoring but not recommended under sail (don't ask how I know :huh: )

 

Right on! I bet that got the skipper's attention!

 

Our Adams 13 has a shoal draft rudder but it just manages on a work. She loves a reach and the board does come up for running.

 

Did a 13 get stateside?

 

Cheers,

 

Jim B)

 

Unfortunately, no. A Yank lived in Melbourne for a few years.

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Years ago I owned an Ericson 23 with a swing keel that could be hoisted up via winch while underway. The swing portion of keel stowed away inside of the permanent keel - which was pretty nice if we wanted to beach the boat. Old Catalina 22s also had a swing keel but it was merely a huge chunk of lead that was exposed (ya didn't wanna run it aground even with keel up.

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I've had my Ross 780 for 3 years. Like Goonda says, trunk goes from the bottom up thru the deck. One I've seen added a Harken Electric Winc ($1800 US), I'm working on a rig with a 2:1 to an $80 ATV winch. Not marine grade but I can go thru quite a few before I hit $1800. At 2:1 I'll be looking at a 45second lift/lower time. Just weighed my Boat and Keel. Keel is 525#, Boat is 2300# without any keel, rig, gear, or...full up sailing probably 3100# plus crew. Go to our Forum here on SA. http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=92361&st=25&p=2342240&hl=+ross%20+780%20+kava&fromsearch=1entry2342240

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