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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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open letter to amanda knox.

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I've always imagined if I invented a time machine, that the biggest value it could provide would be to videotape past murders and come back to today to be able to display the truth. Hoffa, Kennedy, etc. Put all of the bullshit to rest. How would you like to have a video of Knox's roommate murdered today?

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<br />Verdict to be read soon, did not take long.  Any bets?  Did not take long so maybe not good for Amanda.<br />
<br />That's what 9:30 PM their time.....first we decide, then we eat, then we drink, then we screw, then we get back to business.....got to love the Italians<br /><br /><br />
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Interesting that the appeals goes before a jury.. anyone know if we do that in the US?

 

No we don't.

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She should make good her newly won freedom and pursue a lucrative career in porn. Devil worship, rape fetish porn.

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She should make good her newly won freedom and pursue a lucrative career in porn. Devil worship, rape fetish porn.

lesbian vids with casey anthoney.

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OJ Simpson was also acquitted on this day of October 3.

 

Now they can both hunt down the real killers.

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In theory the prosecution can appeal. Amanda Knox has to face a slander trial brought by the police for accusations she has made against them, theoretically that begins next month

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come to papa.erection.gif

 

Yeah, cuz there's no sex like acquittal sex....

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Color me in the minority, but I actually think "not enough evidence to prove guilt" is exactly right.

 

Let's face it, the Italians

-- completely donked evidence collection at the crime scene

-- completely donked *security* at the crime scene,which

-- allowed possible evidence (e.g., bra clasp) to be comprimised

-- completely donked computer-forensics

("accidentally" wiped the laptop while checking activities on the night in question)

-- put a prosecuter on the case who was already indicted for making up evidence

-- who proceeded to make up "evidence"

-- and got a conviction based on DNA "samples" which were well outside the international standards for evidence.

etc., etc., etc.

 

I don't know if she did it or not. I tend to believe "not". But the sad truth is, the italians screwed up the case so badly, we'll never know for sure.

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Amanda Knox has to face a slander trial

 

I thought NBC said she was sentenced to 3 yrs for that slander, and got released as time served ? This prosecutor has a habit of re-charging people, so she better pick up a slice to-go and get the h-ll out of Dodge !

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Amanda Knox has to face a slander trial

 

I thought NBC said she was sentenced to 3 yrs for that slander, and got released as time served

 

Yup. She got convicted of slander for stating that the police mistreated her... which they *did*, according to international standards, but she wasn't allowed to bring any evidence into the court to prove it. That's just... wrong... on so many levels. She said the truth, and got convicted of slander.

 

That's one of those tidbits that makes me really glad I am an American. As badly flawed as our system is, it is a whole lot better than that.

 

ETA: the *parents* are still under indictment for slander, due to be in court in 2012. Maybe that's the upcoming slander trial you're thinking of?

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^^ No

 

 

The jury has overturned the murder conviction but upheld the conviction on the defamation charges after she accused club owner Patrick Lumumba of killing British college student Meredith Kercher in 2007 in Perugia.

 

She didn't just "accuse" him, before she became a suspect herself she said she had seen him do it. The guy spent two weeks in prison until a customer who had been with him at the time returned from abroad and provided an alibi.

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^^ No

 

 

The jury has overturned the murder conviction but upheld the conviction on the defamation charges after she accused club owner Patrick Lumumba of killing British college student Meredith Kercher in 2007 in Perugia.

 

She didn't just "accuse" him, before she became a suspect herself she said she had seen him do it. The guy spent two weeks in prison until a customer who had been with him at the time returned from abroad and provided an alibi.

 

Surely there are three defamation cases.

 

1) Amanda defamated the Italian Police by saying that they beat her - for which she has been found guilty

2) Amanda accused Patrick Lumumba (her boss) - case still pending

3) Knox parents in the British media.

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<br />Verdict to be read soon, did not take long.  Any bets?  Did not take long so maybe not good for Amanda.<br />
<br />That's what 9:30 PM their time.....first we decide, then we eat, then we drink, then we screw, then we get back to business.....got to love the Italians<br /><br /><br />
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Interesting that the appeals goes before a jury.. anyone know if we do that in the US?

 

No we don't.

 

Looks like over there, your trial jury is made up of a bunch of judges, but your appeal jury is a bunch of citizens (peers) with two judges, who mostly advise them.

 

You don't get a trial by your peers until the appeal.

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Clear case of prosecutorial misconduct. We need to remember the real killer has been sentenced to 16 years (only!). Amanda was hubris and overreach. Once she is safe in the US I hope she tears in to them

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Forensic evidence not sound, same grounds for acquittal as OJ

 

Life has a way of making things whole. Don't worry. ...

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50% of all convictions in Italy are modified on appeal.

 

It is important to note that italian prosecutors are even more corrupt than cajuns...........

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Clear case of prosecutorial misconduct. We need to remember the real killer has been sentenced to 16 years (only!). Amanda was hubris and overreach. Once she is safe in the US I hope she tears in to them

 

'Tis a shame that Italy does not have the death penalty, yes BG?.....

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<br />I've always imagined if I invented a time machine, that the biggest value it could provide would be to videotape past murders and come back to today to be able to display the truth.  Hoffa, Kennedy, etc.  Put all of the bullshit to rest.  How would you like to have a video of Knox's roommate murdered today?<br />
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what are you, a BG puppet?

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<br />^^  No<br /><br />
<br /><br />The jury has overturned the murder conviction but upheld the conviction on the defamation charges after she accused club owner Patrick Lumumba of killing British college student Meredith Kercher in 2007 in Perugia.<br />
<br /><br />She didn't just "accuse" him, before she became a suspect herself she said she had seen him do it. The guy spent two weeks in prison until a customer who had been with him at the time returned from abroad and provided an alibi.<br />
<br /><br />Surely there are three defamation cases.<br /><br />1)  Amanda defamated the Italian Police by saying that they beat her - for which she has been found guilty<br />2)  Amanda accused Patrick Lumumba (her boss) - case still pending<br />3)  Knox parents in the British media.<br />
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Lumumba will be paid off as soon as Amanda is out of italy..

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come to papa.erection.gif

 

Yeah, cuz there's no sex like acquittal sex....

 

There isn't.

 

You must trust me.

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I've always imagined if I invented a time machine, that the biggest value it could provide would be to videotape past murders and come back to today to be able to display the truth. Hoffa, Kennedy, etc. Put all of the bullshit to rest. How would you like to have a video of Knox's roommate murdered today?

 

 

Shit I would just bet on all the super bowls and kentucky derbies

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come to papa.erection.gif

 

Yeah, cuz there's no sex like acquittal sex....

 

 

I hear conjugal visit sex is the best

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Shit I would just bet on all the super bowls and kentucky derbies

 

or... "play" the market a little. Bet I could make a few bucks on Apple, Google, Amazon...

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I heard on the news tonight they interrogated her of 54 hrs straight with no breaks and no attorney present. Isn't that considered torture?

 

If this is true, I'll never ever visit Italy. What a toilet of a country.

 

I don't think we even treated Khalid Sheikh Mohammed that bad.

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I heard on the news tonight they interrogated her of 54 hrs straight with no breaks and no attorney present. Isn't that considered torture?

 

If this is true, I'll never ever visit Italy. What a toilet of a country.

 

I don't think we even treated Khalid Sheikh Mohammed that bad.

 

Yea...You heard on the news so it has to be true!!!

 

 

 

Just remember what this was suppose to be about.

 

article-2044585-0E29056600000578-60_306x423.jpg

 

 

This young lady was brutally murdered and her murderer had her daddy buy an acquittal.

 

I love Italy and never turn down an opportunity to visit but now I will have to think twice.

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I heard on the news tonight they interrogated her of 54 hrs straight with no breaks and no attorney present. Isn't that considered torture?

 

If this is true, I'll never ever visit Italy. What a toilet of a country.

 

I don't think we even treated Khalid Sheikh Mohammed that bad.

 

Yea...You heard on the news so it has to be true!!!

 

 

 

Just remember what this was suppose to be about.

 

article-2044585-0E29056600000578-60_306x423.jpg

 

 

This young lady was brutally murdered and her murderer had her daddy buy an acquittal.

 

I love Italy and never turn down an opportunity to visit but now I will have to think twice.

 

Sorry, but if you base your opinion on the whole of Italy on this one issue, then you are missing out on a great country and experience.

I'm sure if we looked we could find many cases in the US (or Aust or Kumfuckistan) where the legal system is not perfect.

Hardly a valid reason to not visit these places.

 

Would you knock back a crew spot at Rolex Maxi Worlds in Porto Cervo because of this..................:o

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I heard on the news tonight they interrogated her of 54 hrs straight with no breaks and no attorney present. Isn't that considered torture?

 

If this is true, I'll never ever visit Italy. What a toilet of a country.

 

I don't think we even treated Khalid Sheikh Mohammed that bad.

 

53 hours over the course of 4 days. Four days is 96 hours, so she was questioned for a little more than 50% of the time.

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come to papa.erection.gif

 

Yeah, cuz there's no sex like acquittal sex....

 

 

I hear conjugal visit sex is the best

 

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you've had a certain glow since you started the thread, pal. true love. gloat away.

answer: ab's sex life good.

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you've had a certain glow since you started the thread, pal. true love. gloat away.

answer: ab's sex life good.

But his hands are tired and the lube is all gone.

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Anyone want to make a guess how many millions she'll make out of this?

 

Think she'll donate any of it to charity or the victims family?

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I heard on the news tonight they interrogated her of 54 hrs straight with no breaks and no attorney present. Isn't that considered torture?

 

If this is true, I'll never ever visit Italy. What a toilet of a country.

 

I don't think we even treated Khalid Sheikh Mohammed that bad.

You heard on American News ? Guantanamo ring any bells ? You are free to visit Italy, she wasn't interrogated for 54 hours with no breaks.

 

Even as a 20 year old you don't make up false statements naming people as murderers just because you are being "interrogated"

 

Public opinion in Italy is very much she is guilty (ie definitely present in the house at the time of the murder), as I posted the reaction outside the court was very negative, the Knox family have created a big media circus a lot of which is anti-Italian.

 

I heard on the news tonight they interrogated her of 54 hrs straight with no breaks and no attorney present. Isn't that considered torture?

 

If this is true, I'll never ever visit Italy. What a toilet of a country.

 

I don't think we even treated Khalid Sheikh Mohammed that bad.

 

53 hours over the course of 4 days. Four days is 96 hours, so she was questioned for a little more than 50% of the time.

damn those facts are inconvenient aren't they

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Lumumba will be paid off as soon as Amanda is out of italy..

 

The court ruled Knox must pay Lumumba's legal costs and compensation, I hope she does so. That is not paying him off, that is compensating him for the damage done by fabricating a story and trying to stitch him up for murder - in order to save herself and her buddies. The court said the 4 years she had served covered the 3 year sentence she would have received for falsely accusing him.

 

There is a further defamation case lodged by the police in responce to Knox's claim she was beaten - this is due to be heard next month and the general view is that she will not return to Italy to face that trial.

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Anyone want to make a guess how many millions she'll make out of this?

 

Think she'll donate any of it to charity or the victims family?

 

Interesting question - when she was convicted, Knox had to pay 1 million euros to each of Merediths parents, and 800,000 euros to each of Merediths siblings. Given that she has now been aquitted, does she get the money back?

 

Seems harsh on the Kercher family, suddenly they have to pay back 3.6 million euros between them, still a dead daughter / sister.

 

Maybe the money does not come back from the family, maybe they keep their money, and the Italian judicary pay the money back to Knox.

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Thiepval - was that money ever actually paid by the Knox's to anyone ?

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All I can say is she was lucky her trial wasn't in the USA - or she would be on Death Row, waiting for the fatal injection.

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Color me in the minority, but I actually think "not enough evidence to prove guilt" is exactly right.

 

Let's face it, the Italians

-- completely donked evidence collection at the crime scene

-- completely donked *security* at the crime scene,which

-- allowed possible evidence (e.g., bra clasp) to be comprimised

-- completely donked computer-forensics

("accidentally" wiped the laptop while checking activities on the night in question)

-- put a prosecuter on the case who was already indicted for making up evidence

-- who proceeded to make up "evidence"

-- and got a conviction based on DNA "samples" which were well outside the international standards for evidence.

etc., etc., etc.

 

I don't know if she did it or not. I tend to believe "not". But the sad truth is, the italians screwed up the case so badly, we'll never know for sure.

 

There's an interesting read (albeit slightly less than objective) about the conduct of the Italian prosecutor in this case - it's called "The Monster of Florence". I've included a couple links for anyone that may be interested in more of the story.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster_of_Florence

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/monster_florence/1.html

http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2008/06/06/meredith-kercher-case-insights-from-the-monster-of-florence/

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Cool, now Amanda and Cassey can hang out together.

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Cool, now Amanda and Cassey can hang out together.

My thoughts exactly. Maybe they can shoot a lesbo porn movie and make more money.

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Cool, now Amanda and Cassey can hang out together.

My thoughts exactly. Maybe they can shoot a lesbo porn movie and make more money.

 

Yep. They can call the movie: Double (Penetration) Jeopardy

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It really is amazing the crap that's on the internet. Knox is on a BA flight from London to Seattle - live tracker here

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I heard on the news tonight they interrogated her of 54 hrs straight with no breaks and no attorney present. Isn't that considered torture?

 

If this is true, I'll never ever visit Italy. What a toilet of a country.

 

I don't think we even treated Khalid Sheikh Mohammed that bad.

 

Yea...You heard on the news so it has to be true!!!

 

 

 

Just remember what this was suppose to be about.

 

article-2044585-0E29056600000578-60_306x423.jpg

 

 

This young lady was brutally murdered and her murderer had her daddy buy an acquittal.

 

I love Italy and never turn down an opportunity to visit but now I will have to think twice.

 

You definitely shouldn't go back to Italy. You've slandered the Italian justice system by saying that it's for sale. Such slander will get you at least three years in the slammer, if this case is anything to go by.

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Cool, now Amanda and Cassey can hang out together.

My thoughts exactly. Maybe they can shoot a lesbo porn movie and make more money.

 

Yep. They can call the movie: Double (Penetration) Jeopardy

 

 

 

 

 

:P......

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I heard on the news tonight they interrogated her of 54 hrs straight with no breaks and no attorney present. Isn't that considered torture?

 

If this is true, I'll never ever visit Italy. What a toilet of a country.

 

 

yes, I agree, thus all the inconsistencies in her story..

 

 

Hey at least in italy she had a trial... in a majority of countries, (SA, ME, Asia, Africa) you're lucky if you're ever heard from again..

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I heard on the news tonight they interrogated her of 54 hrs straight with no breaks and no attorney present. Isn't that considered torture?

 

If this is true, I'll never ever visit Italy. What a toilet of a country.

 

I don't think we even treated Khalid Sheikh Mohammed that bad.

You heard on American News ? Guantanamo ring any bells ? You are free to visit Italy, she wasn't interrogated for 54 hours with no breaks.

 

Even as a 20 year old you don't make up false statements naming people as murderers just because you are being "interrogated"

 

Public opinion in Italy is very much she is guilty (ie definitely present in the house at the time of the murder), as I posted the reaction outside the court was very negative, the Knox family have created a big media circus a lot of which is anti-Italian.

 

I heard on the news tonight they interrogated her of 54 hrs straight with no breaks and no attorney present. Isn't that considered torture?

 

If this is true, I'll never ever visit Italy. What a toilet of a country.

 

I don't think we even treated Khalid Sheikh Mohammed that bad.

 

53 hours over the course of 4 days. Four days is 96 hours, so she was questioned for a little more than 50% of the time.

damn those facts are inconvenient aren't they

 

I'd wonder how'd you hold up, being interrogated 13 1/4 hours a day for 4 days.. with no one there to say "enough"

 

This young lady was brutally murdered and her murderer had her daddy buy an acquittal.

 

So ,please enlighten us with your theories.. I'm sure you believe MJ wasn't a pedophile and OJ was framed..

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All I can say is she was lucky her trial wasn't in the USA - or she would be on Death Row, waiting for the fatal injection.

 

Based on what evidence?

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I heard on the news tonight they interrogated her of 54 hrs straight with no breaks and no attorney present. Isn't that considered torture?

 

If this is true, I'll never ever visit Italy. What a toilet of a country.

 

I don't think we even treated Khalid Sheikh Mohammed that bad.

You heard on American News ? Guantanamo ring any bells ? You are free to visit Italy, she wasn't interrogated for 54 hours with no breaks.

 

Even as a 20 year old you don't make up false statements naming people as murderers just because you are being "interrogated"

 

Public opinion in Italy is very much she is guilty (ie definitely present in the house at the time of the murder), as I posted the reaction outside the court was very negative, the Knox family have created a big media circus a lot of which is anti-Italian.

 

I heard on the news tonight they interrogated her of 54 hrs straight with no breaks and no attorney present. Isn't that considered torture?

 

If this is true, I'll never ever visit Italy. What a toilet of a country.

 

I don't think we even treated Khalid Sheikh Mohammed that bad.

 

53 hours over the course of 4 days. Four days is 96 hours, so she was questioned for a little more than 50% of the time.

damn those facts are inconvenient aren't they

 

I'd wonder how'd you hold up, being interrogated 13 1/4 hours a day for 4 days.. with no one there to say "enough"

 

 

You have a point. Back "in the day" we'd depose people for days in big cases and just physically and emotionally wear them out "to get to the good stuff." That was with lawyers present for the witness who could call breaks at any time, take a lunch break, go to the bathroom, etc. Finally, the courts determined that that just wasn't fair to the witnesses, so we are now limited to seven hours in the federal system and six hours in our state system.

 

I can't imagine how draining it would be, both physically and mentally, to be locked up in a room with multiple people grilling you for 12 to 13 hours a day for days on end.

 

I'm not convinced that they should not have done that, but it sure would have sucked to be her going through it alone.

 

By the way, one day OJ will find the real killer.

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Why not make everyone happy. Cut her in half and send the lower torso to the States.

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That joke was poorly delivered.......

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Poorly, that joke was delivered.......

 

 

Yodafied.

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Poorly, that joke was delivered.......

 

 

Yodafied.

 

Tat joak wuz poorly diliverde bie poorly.

 

Snaggled.

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Anyone want to make a guess how many millions she'll make out of this?

 

Think she'll donate any of it to charity or the victims family?

 

Interesting question - when she was convicted, Knox had to pay 1 million euros to each of Merediths parents, and 800,000 euros to each of Merediths siblings. Given that she has now been aquitted, does she get the money back?

 

Seems harsh on the Kercher family, suddenly they have to pay back 3.6 million euros between them, still a dead daughter / sister.

 

Maybe the money does not come back from the family, maybe they keep their money, and the Italian judicary pay the money back to Knox.

That was kept quiet from the press.

 

How does that work?

Blood money?

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I'd wonder how'd you hold up, being interrogated 13 1/4 hours a day for 4 days.. with no one there to say "enough"

 

 

Really, if she'd only told them one story, the truth, she would have only been in there being questioned for 6 hours or so. But she kept changing it.

 

First she tells them she was there, and she saw Patrick kill Meredith. (You see your friend murdered, and you only tell the police 12 hours later, once you've cleaned the flat???)

 

Then she says she didn't see it happen. She was in the kitchen and she heard the scream. (Once again, she only notifies the police 12 hours later)

 

Next she tells them she wasn't there, and she imagined she heard Meredith scream.... (WTF??? Where did the other two stories come from)

 

Then she was at Rafa's, wacked out on scooby snacks....

 

When things are so inconsistant, would you just release her, or would you ask her again.....

 

Really - do you want to spend some time reading the actual facts, rather than the soundbites of the American media???

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Anyone want to make a guess how many millions she'll make out of this?

 

Think she'll donate any of it to charity or the victims family?

 

Interesting question - when she was convicted, Knox had to pay 1 million euros to each of Merediths parents, and 800,000 euros to each of Merediths siblings. Given that she has now been aquitted, does she get the money back?

 

Seems harsh on the Kercher family, suddenly they have to pay back 3.6 million euros between them, still a dead daughter / sister.

 

Maybe the money does not come back from the family, maybe they keep their money, and the Italian judicary pay the money back to Knox.

That was kept quiet from the press.

 

How does that work?

Blood money?

 

From Wikipedia "The court awarded a sum of €1,000,000 to each of the parents and €800,000 to each of Kercher's siblings.[193]"

 

I read it first on the BBC, but it's easy to find anywhere....

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Really, if she'd only told them one story, the truth, she would have only been in there being questioned for 6 hours or so. But she kept changing it.

 

First she tells them she was there, and she saw Patrick kill Meredith. (You see your friend murdered, and you only tell the police 12 hours later, once you've cleaned the flat???)

 

Then she says she didn't see it happen. She was in the kitchen and she heard the scream. (Once again, she only notifies the police 12 hours later)

 

Next she tells them she wasn't there, and she imagined she heard Meredith scream.... (WTF??? Where did the other two stories come from)

 

Then she was at Rafa's, wacked out on scooby snacks....

 

When things are so inconsistant, would you just release her, or would you ask her again.....

 

Really - do you want to spend some time reading the actual facts, rather than the soundbites of the American media???

 

Really, if you spent some time reading actual facts, you might discover that her initial interrogation was 14 hours long and conducted in Italian, a language she had only studied for two months. She was not allowed an interpreter or a lawyer. At the end of that interrogation she signed a confession, written in Italian. Those are facts, as determined by Italy's highest court (although the prosecutor denies them, as he denies her claims that she was withheld food, water and the use of the toilet until she confessed). It'd be a miracle if anyone would be able to get a consistent story across in those circumstances.

 

Later that confession was excluded from use in her criminal trial, since there was good reason to believe she didn't know what the hell it was she signed. But it was used in her civil trial, which was held concurrently with the criminal trial, using the same jury. But please keep defending the Italian justice system to us ignorant, benighted Americans.

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Anyone want to make a guess how many millions she'll make out of this?

 

Think she'll donate any of it to charity or the victims family?

 

Interesting question - when she was convicted, Knox had to pay 1 million euros to each of Merediths parents, and 800,000 euros to each of Merediths siblings. Given that she has now been aquitted, does she get the money back?

 

Seems harsh on the Kercher family, suddenly they have to pay back 3.6 million euros between them, still a dead daughter / sister.

 

Maybe the money does not come back from the family, maybe they keep their money, and the Italian judicary pay the money back to Knox.

That was kept quiet from the press.

 

How does that work?

Blood money?

 

From Wikipedia "The court awarded a sum of €1,000,000 to each of the parents and €800,000 to each of Kercher's siblings.[193]"

 

I read it first on the BBC, but it's easy to find anywhere....

 

Awarded does not mean she paid it. Really, where would she get that kind of coin?

 

"The money" is not coming back from the family because the family never got the money.

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Really, if she'd only told them one story, the truth, she would have only been in there being questioned for 6 hours or so. But she kept changing it.

 

First she tells them she was there, and she saw Patrick kill Meredith. (You see your friend murdered, and you only tell the police 12 hours later, once you've cleaned the flat???)

 

Then she says she didn't see it happen. She was in the kitchen and she heard the scream. (Once again, she only notifies the police 12 hours later)

 

Next she tells them she wasn't there, and she imagined she heard Meredith scream.... (WTF??? Where did the other two stories come from)

 

Then she was at Rafa's, wacked out on scooby snacks....

 

When things are so inconsistant, would you just release her, or would you ask her again.....

 

Really - do you want to spend some time reading the actual facts, rather than the soundbites of the American media???

 

Really, if you spent some time reading actual facts, you might discover that her initial interrogation was 14 hours long and conducted in Italian, a language she had only studied for two months. She was not allowed an interpreter or a lawyer. At the end of that interrogation she signed a confession, written in Italian. Those are facts, as determined by Italy's highest court (although the prosecutor denies them, as he denies her claims that she was withheld food, water and the use of the toilet until she confessed). It'd be a miracle if anyone would be able to get a consistent story across in those circumstances.

 

Later that confession was excluded from use in her criminal trial, since there was good reason to believe she didn't know what the hell it was she signed. But it was used in her civil trial, which was held concurrently with the criminal trial, using the same jury. But please keep defending the Italian justice system to us ignorant, benighted Americans.

R you rocke!!! :)

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BA Flight 49 is on final approach and the Seattle media is jizzing in their Dockers already.

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BA Flight 49 is on final approach and the Seattle media is jizzing in their Dockers already.

It's on the ground and yep the media coverage is continuous. I think I will go work on my boat!

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and yet Obama was in town a couple of Sundays ago and this arrival is eclipsing that event.

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and yet Obama was in town a couple of Sundays ago and this arrival is eclipsing that event.

And I really don't know how to compare the two events. I think I find Amanda returning a lot more interesting than the Obama visit.

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Italians are even bigger assholes than Israelis,

 

Go Amanda!!!

 

Oh thank the gods - gaytor hates italy. Given that its one of my favorite countries, I'm content in the knowledge that he won't go there and spoil it with his ugly American attitude and his french boorishness.

 

Douche

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I'd wonder how'd you hold up, being interrogated 13 1/4 hours a day for 4 days.. with no one there to say "enough"

 

 

Really, if she'd only told them one story, the truth, she would have only been in there being questioned for 6 hours or so. But she kept changing it.

 

First she tells them she was there, and she saw Patrick kill Meredith. (You see your friend murdered, and you only tell the police 12 hours later, once you've cleaned the flat???)

 

Then she says she didn't see it happen. She was in the kitchen and she heard the scream. (Once again, she only notifies the police 12 hours later)

 

Next she tells them she wasn't there, and she imagined she heard Meredith scream.... (WTF??? Where did the other two stories come from)

 

Then she was at Rafa's, wacked out on scooby snacks....

 

When things are so inconsistant, would you just release her, or would you ask her again.....

 

Really - do you want to spend some time reading the actual facts, rather than the soundbites of the American media???

 

Do you know the facts, or merely what was reported in the Italian press?

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Do you know the facts, or merely what was reported in the Italian press?

Speaking for myself I have followed what has been reported in the UK press. What Thiepval says is what I recognise as the chain of events.

 

The Knox camp has done a very good job generating a media frenzy around the case and the inference that the Italian police and justice systems are incompetent.

 

Whether the DNA evidence was gathered poorly (it has been found it was) whether it was present in sufficient quantities is in my view a sideline. There are far too many other inconsistencies and additional evidence that points to Knox and her boyfriend being involved.

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And don't worry about that... uh... thing...

 

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It's just a cold sore.

 

thats what happens to fresh fish in womans prison they have to eat the funky tuna. she probably had blue waffle for breakfast that morning.

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From The Daily Telegraph

 

The Knox family has hired a leading Seattle PR firm, Gogerty Marriott, to handle bids which are expected to be as much as $10 million (£6.5 million) for her first TV interview since she was cleared of murdering Meredith Kercher.

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Do you know the facts, or merely what was reported in the Italian press?

Speaking for myself I have followed what has been reported in the UK press. What Thiepval says is what I recognise as the chain of events.

 

The Knox camp has done a very good job generating a media frenzy around the case and the inference that the Italian police and justice systems are incompetent.

 

Whether the DNA evidence was gathered poorly (it has been found it was) whether it was present in sufficient quantities is in my view a sideline. There are far too many other inconsistencies and additional evidence that points to Knox and her boyfriend being involved.

 

I'll not argue the inconsistencies, you're correct that they exist. Why they exist is still very much open to interpretation, and a reasonable person could infer Knox's complicity, prosecutorial misconduct, simple language barriers, and many other points.

While I love almost every aspect of Italy (I was deployed there militarily) - its government, especially its courts, are locally notorious for inefficiency and making decisions outside careful consideration of fact.

 

I'd suggest that prudence warrants an understanding and acceptance that there are "unusual" factors on both sides of this story.

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Really - do you want to spend some time reading the actual facts, rather than the soundbites of the American media???

 

 

maybe I should read the london times, daily mail, or pravda... no bias there..

 

yes, if actual facts were present, I would like to know them..

 

 

what would really be interesting would be to see a transcript of all of her interrogations.. I'm sure the exorcism the prosecutor performed would have been interesting..

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Cool, now Amanda and Cassey can hang out together.

My thoughts exactly. Maybe they can shoot a lesbo porn movie and make more money.

 

Yep. They can call the movie: Double (Penetration) Jeopardy

 

Wow, nothing? I was kinda proud of that one....

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<br />Why not make everyone happy. Cut her in half and send the lower torso to the States.<br />
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Nice one, King Soloman.

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Cool, now Amanda and Cassey can hang out together.

My thoughts exactly. Maybe they can shoot a lesbo porn movie and make more money.

 

Yep. They can call the movie: Double (Penetration) Jeopardy

 

Wow, nothing? I was kinda proud of that one....

 

You need to go back a few.....

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I would plunge so deep into that, the person that can pull me out becomes the next king of england

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i thought international law stated no person of interest, victim or plantiff can sign, agree or disagree with a written statement outside of their native language. If an interpreter is not available then all statement or questioning and answers have no merit in the case. I beleive its very staright forward, if she did it or not it doesnt matter, the italians fucked up.

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i thought international law stated no person of interest, victim or plantiff can sign, agree or disagree with a written statement outside of their native language. If an interpreter is not available then all statement or questioning and answers have no merit in the case. I beleive its very staright forward, if she did it or not it doesnt matter, the italians fucked up.

If that were true it would have been picked up at the original trial. Like I said before the Knox PR machine has succeeded in painting the entire Italian police force and justice system as inept.

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I would plunge so deep into that, the person that can pull me out becomes the next king of england

 

Poor taste but amusingly presented.

 

You should have been on this trashy UK back channel show where the host asked his guests "Foxy Knoxy would ya ?" link

 

 

I think you'll find the channel concerned will be censured and obliged to apologise.

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i thought international law stated no person of interest, victim or plantiff can sign, agree or disagree with a written statement outside of their native language. If an interpreter is not available then all statement or questioning and answers have no merit in the case. I beleive its very staright forward, if she did it or not it doesnt matter, the italians fucked up.

If that were true it would have been picked up at the original trial. Like I said before the Knox PR machine has succeeded in painting the entire Italian police force and justice system as inept.

 

It is true, and the written statement was excluded in the original criminal trial. However, it was used in the civil trial, which peculiarly was held concurrently with the criminal trial, using the same jury.

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the light of day has succeeded in painting the entire Italian police force and justice system as inept.

 

Fixed it.

 

Sure, there are tons of inconsistencies in her story. I bet over 50-something hours of interrogation, I'd have inconsistencies in describing my childhood or career. Especially if it was conducted in a language with which I had only surface-level competency.

 

But... inconsistencies are not the same as "proof". There is no "proof" that she was even there the night of the murder, let alone a participant.

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the light of day has succeeded in painting the entire Italian police force and justice system as inept.

 

Fixed it.

 

Sure, there are tons of inconsistencies in her story. I bet over 50-something hours of interrogation, I'd have inconsistencies in describing my childhood or career. Especially if it was conducted in a language with which I had only surface-level competency.

 

But... inconsistencies are not the same as "proof". There is no "proof" that she was even there the night of the murder, let alone a participant.

 

Google "The Monster of Florence" - same prosecutor then as in this case.

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i thought international law stated no person of interest, victim or plantiff can sign, agree or disagree with a written statement outside of their native language. If an interpreter is not available then all statement or questioning and answers have no merit in the case. I beleive its very staright forward, if she did it or not it doesnt matter, the italians fucked up.

If that were true it would have been picked up at the original trial. Like I said before the Knox PR machine has succeeded in painting the entire Italian police force and justice system as inept.

 

 

picked up or not the law is the law. a judge is there to make sure the laws are followed, as soon as you make a mistake such as this it gets all tossed out.

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i thought international law stated no person of interest, victim or plantiff can sign, agree or disagree with a written statement outside of their native language. If an interpreter is not available then all statement or questioning and answers have no merit in the case. I beleive its very staright forward, if she did it or not it doesnt matter, the italians fucked up.

If that were true it would have been picked up at the original trial. Like I said before the Knox PR machine has succeeded in painting the entire Italian police force and justice system as inept.

 

I love Italy. My best friend since Junior High is Italian. He will tell you the same as I, the Italian justice system IS inept. His dad will tell you the same.

 

Now whether the bitch stabbed the other, I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. The Italian police have succeeded in spectacular fashion making sure nobody ever really knows.

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If that were true it would have been picked up at the original trial. Like I said before the Knox PR machine has succeeded in painting the entire Italian police force and justice system as inept.

 

they really didn't have to spend any money to do that...

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this whole case reeks of the duke rape case.

 

OK I'll bite.

 

Now just why is that, a_b?

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OK I'll bite.

 

Now just why is that, a_b?

the whole corrupt prosecutor whose case falls apart under scrutiny.

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the light of day has succeeded in painting the entire Italian police force and justice system as inept.

 

Fixed it.

 

Sure, there are tons of inconsistencies in her story. I bet over 50-something hours of interrogation, I'd have inconsistencies in describing my childhood or career. Especially if it was conducted in a language with which I had only surface-level competency.

 

But... inconsistencies are not the same as "proof". There is no "proof" that she was even there the night of the murder, let alone a participant.

No you didn't fix it. I was right the first time.

 

Trying to frame an innocent man for murder isn't an inconsistency.

 

The worst thing you can say happened to Knox is she served 4 years instead of the 3 she should have done.

 

The "interrogation" issue is a fabrication from the Knox team.

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A judge in the appeal case says Knox may well be guilty but the evidence to convict her wasn't there

 

link

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Jeebus Jamba! She a cousin of yours or something? You have a "Foxy Knoxy Fund" site up?

 

Just sayin'...

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the light of day has succeeded in painting the entire Italian police force and justice system as inept.

 

Fixed it.

 

Sure, there are tons of inconsistencies in her story. I bet over 50-something hours of interrogation, I'd have inconsistencies in describing my childhood or career. Especially if it was conducted in a language with which I had only surface-level competency.

 

But... inconsistencies are not the same as "proof". There is no "proof" that she was even there the night of the murder, let alone a participant.

No you didn't fix it. I was right the first time.

 

Trying to frame an innocent man for murder isn't an inconsistency.

 

The worst thing you can say happened to Knox is she served 4 years instead of the 3 she should have done.

 

The "interrogation" issue is a fabrication from the Knox team.

 

 

Wow - please share with us how you came to such an insightful position!

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Jeebus Jamba! She a cousin of yours or something? You have a "Foxy Knoxy Fund" site up?

 

Just sayin'...

Obessive moi ?

 

It's just one of those cases that I care too much about, partly as two of my daughters have or are studying abroad. I followed it from the start when in "real time" Knox made the false accusations. Also obsessed with the Murdoch phone hacking, Milly Dowler was very close in age to my two eldest.

 

Point taken, should probably leave this one ....

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now that youre getting out of prison after 4 years, if youree looking to have an itch that hasnt been scratched during that time, PM me. ;)

 

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I wouldnt want to spend enough time with her to warrant my trousers being up during our time together.

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