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Volvo meteorologist said there might be an east/ west split.

 

Looks like Nico opted for west but then changed his mind.

 

Groupama doing well at present.

 

 

Cammas' off-shore experience paying off ? Looks like he just decided to take the shorter route instead of wind-hunting..

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I dont think his route is shorter really, remember they have to go thru a gate near Brazil first.

He will pick up the wind a bit quicker and avoid the headwinds further down the track.

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Cammas' off-shore experience paying off ? Looks like he just decided to take the shorter route instead of wind-hunting..

 

Groupama 7 miles ahead of Camper.

and 3knts faster

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Why on earth aren't they racing big fast, massively powerful trimarans instead?

 

(running and ducking..)

 

In your world they would all be built by a russel world company and ehman would write the rules and be the judge...the rest of us like the VOR...

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^ Nope, I just prefer another The Race, ala Bruno Peyron's argument too. The boats would be bigger, sexier, more powerful, and ~much~ faster.

 

Maybe the many months is attractive to the storyline; it is not so much, to me.

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and 3knts faster

 

Bloody 'ell ... Camper now 13 miles behind Groupama. And doing only 2.7 knots!!!!

 

But more heavy weather lies ahead.

 

This could be a significant break by Cammas even this early in the piece. Looks like Nico made the call late to follow the off-shore speacialist...now there's only Abu Dhabi behind them biggrin.gif

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I dont think his route is shorter really, remember they have to go thru a gate near Brazil first.

He will pick up the wind a bit quicker and avoid the headwinds further down the track.

 

Do they have to go through the Fastnet Insurance Gate showing on the GOR Tracker or is that only for the GOR?

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As well as getting to Capetown in time for the in-shore race (and Leg 2 start) they have to make it the secret rendezvous place with the ship taking them through pirate country.

 

Ian Walker is facing some big problems. Once the spare mast goes up, that is it for "spares." Also, much of the stuff he needs is in a container heading to Capetown.

 

And, as for Moose, imagine the stress of sorting out that problem.

 

Did you see the video of Nico going up the mast to look for wind? Just like in the old AC.

 

This low- wind period is probably a blessing. Time to get food and rest.

 

 

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A blessing, or boring? 4 knts? Seriously, how long is that expected to drag on? What do they do all day, fish and swim? Lol

At least they're spared your incessant pathological need to post garbage.

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^ :)

 

Don't try be so serious

 

Then stop poking your fucking nose into threads unless you can contribute something sensible.

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^ :)

 

Don't try be so serious

 

Then stop poking your fucking nose into threads unless you can contribute something sensible.

That's pretty frigging rich coming from the Kiwi troll.

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^ :)

 

Don't try be so serious

 

Then stop poking your fucking nose into threads unless you can contribute something sensible.

That's pretty frigging rich coming from the Kiwi troll.

 

and in comes the ubertroll to back up his mate the spinbot....

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and 3knts faster

 

Bloody 'ell ... Camper now 13 miles behind Groupama. And doing only 2.7 knots!!!!

 

But more heavy weather lies ahead.

 

This could be a significant break by Cammas even this early in the piece. Looks like Nico made the call late to follow the off-shore speacialist...now there's only Abu Dhabi behind them biggrin.gif

Camper tacked another time for a medium route.

The 2 in the north are going a 9 knot while the 2 in the south are going 2.5.

 

However, within 15 hours winds will turn and the 2 in the south will put the turbo...

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^ :)

 

Don't try be so serious

 

Then stop poking your fucking nose into threads unless you can contribute something sensible.

That's pretty frigging rich coming from the Kiwi troll.

 

and in comes the ubertroll to back up his mate the spinbot....

 

Stop poking your fucking nose into threads unless you can contribute something sensible.

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has camper made the right move to follow groupama.

They could lose out being stuck in the middle of nowhere.

 

If Telefonica can maintain their current speed, they can jump out to a 25+ Nm lead on Camper at the next update!! And they look like they'll hit more wind first...

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Telefonica

Time:08 Nov 2011 07:00:00 UTCLatitude:034° 23.688NLongitude:010° 04.954WSOG12.42 knotsGPS SOG13.20 knotsCOG250 °GPS COG235 °Altitude0 mBattery7.4 VSourceGPSCEP3 km

Puma

Time:08 Nov 2011 07:00:24 UTCLatitude:034° 28.537NLongitude:010° 04.268WSOG13.64 knotsGPS SOG15.80 knotsCOG258 °GPS COG254 °Altitude0 mBattery7.7 VSourceGPSCEP3 km

Groupama

Time:08 Nov 2011 07:00:15 UTCLatitude:033° 41.087NLongitude:008° 27.126WSOG10.50 knotsGPS SOG10.00 knotsCOG207 °GPS COG209 °Altitude0 mBattery8.2 VSourceGPSCEP3 km

Camper

Time:08 Nov 2011 07:00:16 UTCLatitude:034° 12.802NLongitude:008° 59.187WSOG11.95 knotsGPS SOG11.10 knotsCOG268 °GPS COG283 °Altitude0 mBattery8.2 VSourceGPSCEP3 km

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I dont think his route is shorter really, remember they have to go thru a gate near Brazil first.

He will pick up the wind a bit quicker and avoid the headwinds further down the track.

 

Do they have to go through the Fastnet Insurance Gate showing on the GOR Tracker or is that only for the GOR?

Yes they all have to go through the gate at Fernando de Noronha, not sure if teams get to collect point there as well for going thru first.

Traditionally teams transfer all of their photos and video material over to RIBs there as well.

I had a bit of a giggle when I saw the video of Nico going up the mast, it looks sympathetic but surely quite useless in an ocean race (except in the Doldrums maybe).

 

Go Franck!

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^ :)

 

Don't try be so serious

 

Then stop poking your fucking nose into threads unless you can contribute something sensible.

That's pretty frigging rich coming from the Kiwi troll.

 

and in comes the ubertroll to back up his mate the spinbot....

 

Stop poking your fucking nose into threads unless you can contribute something sensible.

 

And what part of your contribution was vaguely sensible.

 

Good postings over in Ocean Racing and no abuse either.

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Looks like Nico did not have a plan for getting out of Gibraltar.

Has clearly abandoned the earlier plan to follow Groupama down to the Canaries.

 

Now getting killed in the attempt to get west to the leaders.

 

Cammas is making a gutsy move sticking with his plan.

 

But eventually he will have to turn starboard and head over to the mark off Brazil.

 

Camper now 26 nm from the leader.

 

 

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I had a bit of a giggle when I saw the video of Nico going up the mast, it looks sympathetic but surely quite useless in an ocean race (except in the Doldrums maybe).

 

MCM Hamish has to produce something!

 

And more pictures involving rugby balls won't do it.

 

Not surprisingly, from up on the spreader Nico says "Keep going this way!"

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Moose Sanderson. According to SWS in San Francisco, just another drama queen!

 

=========================

 

Mike Sanderson, CEO and skipper of Team Sanya, today elaborated on the events at sea on Sunday November 6 and reiterated the team's intention to get back in the race as quickly as possible.

 

"We were very happy with our progress, managing the big breeze and waves very nicely. We were not pushing 100 per cent and had decided to throttle back a knot or so given the conditions; we felt we were in a comfortable zone.

 

"We suddenly felt a very odd lurch, like dragging the keel through soft mud. We could hear the noise of water coming into the bow. The watertight doors were already shut thankfully.

 

"We got everyone up and into lifejackets. For sure if the watertight doors had not been shut, we would have been sunk. We got the pumps going but they were not really making much difference. After a time, our situation stabilized and we suspended racing and headed to the nearest port."

 

 

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^ :)

 

Don't try be so serious

 

Then stop poking your fucking nose into threads unless you can contribute something sensible.

That's pretty frigging rich coming from the Kiwi troll.

 

and in comes the ubertroll to back up his mate the spinbot....

 

Stop poking your fucking nose into threads unless you can contribute something sensible.

 

 

You are probably talking about quality contributions like the one you trolled earlier in this thread....

 

Kiwi troll,

 

Just let me know when you and Ta Koodie are done quaffing stallion semen and knawing on deer pizzle and are ready to dock out so I can cheer you on, and BTW, don't feel you need to hold back on the insults, in fact you seem to be slipping a bit.

 

emf....

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We should learn within the next hours if the south option was the good one.

Does not really look so, Camper back "on the mainstream".

 

BTW, although only 4 boats are left for this leg and the speed is not too high, this is one of the most exciting races to follow. Especially since there is so much guesswork to do, no information overkill. I haven't thought that it would grab my attention that much. A wonderful entry for an otherwise and formerly ocean racing ignorant like me. Back to the tracker... (This is fun!!!)

 

 

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We should learn within the next hours if the south option was the good one.

Does not really look so, Camper back "on the mainstream".

 

BTW, although only 4 boats are left for this leg and the speed is not too high, this is one of the most exciting races to follow. Especially since there is so much guesswork to do, no information overkill. I haven't thought that it would grab my attention that much. A wonderful entry for an otherwise and formerly ocean racing ignorant like me. Back to the tracker... (This is fun!!!)

 

 

 

Yes it is really exciting, I regret I did not participate to the virtual race.

After having a look to last weather forecast it hink that Groupama can take the best within 70 hours, if they are not too far back at that time.

BTW, SD is in 4 days. Best ever as they allways say...;)

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Groupama

Time:08 Nov 2011 15:00:00 UTC Latitude:033° 01.047N Longitude:008° 52.412W SOG1.62 knots GPS SOG5.60 knots COG178 ° GPS COG226 °Altitude0 mBattery8.2 VSourceGPSCEP3 km

Camper

Time:08 Nov 2011 15:01:16 UTCLatitude:034° 13.333NLongitude:011° 12.432W SOG13.59 knots GPS SOG10.90 knotsCOG274 °GPS COG266 °Altitude0 mBattery8.2 VSourceGPSCEP6 km

Puma

Time:08 Nov 2011 15:01:46 UTCLatitude:034° 23.309NLongitude:012° 04.644W SOG11.11 knots GPS SOG12.00 knotsCOG283 °GPS COG282 °Altitude0 mBattery7.7 VSourceGPSCEP4 km

Telefonica

Time:08 Nov 2011 15:01:16 UTCLatitude:034° 19.082NLongitude:012° 03.939W SOG10.77 knots GPS SOG11.80 knotsCOG284 °GPS COG288 °Altitude0 mBattery7.4 VSourceGPSCEP5 km

 

 

 

Cammas either knows something or he's hoping for something - they're almost ashore in Morocco!!

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Cammas either knows something or he's hoping for something - they're almost ashore in Morocco!!

 

Franck must like the radiant heat generated from the nearby African rockpile.

 

This is early notice of his courage. A big move.

 

Demonstrates confidence in his own judgment.

 

But, right now, he must be writhing. Knowing others are barreling along while he is more or less becalmed.

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Camper catching up.

 

1h ago on FB:

 

<<Camper with Emirates Team New Zealand

The teams have made their choices, the fleet is split, CAMPER, Puma and Telefonica head west while Groupama stays east along the coast, CAMPER in third pulling back 7 miles in the last 3 hours!>>

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Cammas either knows something or he's hoping for something - they're almost ashore in Morocco!!

 

Franck must like the radiant heat generated from the nearby African rockpile.

 

This is early notice of his courage. A big move.

 

Demonstrates confidence in his own judgment.

 

But, right now, he must be writhing. Knowing others are barreling along while he is more or less becalmed.

Cammas is heading more SE closer to shore! Pretty ballsy

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Would like to have been a fly on the bulkhead aboard Camper, the lack of dedication is not a good thing.

Groupama doing 8kts sailing downwind while the rest is doing 12kts beating upwind.

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Can't comment from experience - but from my desk bound position of round-the-world races, I can't recall the East option EVER winning out.

Middle maybe, West definitely, never East due to the massive High that lives off Africa.

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Someone aboard Camper-ETNZ is not a happy camper to be 17+Nm behind the leader...and 10Nm behind the second-last Groupama!! Maybe Nico should have stayed up the mast all night biggrin.gif

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I'll take the risk of making a wilf guess for the next report in about 2 hours now:

1. Groupama : + 10 NM on the second

2. Telefonica

3. Puma

4. TNZ

 

Sh...t, Gpma tacked. Anyway, not too far:

 

1. Telefonica

2. Groupama : +1,1 Nm

3. Puma

4. TNZ

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I'll take the risk of making a wilf guess for the next report in about 2 hours now:

1. Groupama : + 10 NM on the second

2. Telefonica

3. Puma

4. TNZ

 

Sh...t, Gpma tacked. Anyway, not too far:

 

1. Telefonica

2. Groupama : +1,1 Nm

3. Puma

4. TNZ

 

Your wag was two reports too early. next 24 hours should be interesting.

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Seeing Camper rocket away at the start, I was tempted to think that, when everything else is equal, Marcelino's boat might have a straight-speed edge on the others.

 

But, of course, the other things are never equal. So does anyone think there is a boat with a speed edge?

 

And what about the extra (wasted) miles springing from ... what can we call it? ... a change-of-plan, indecisiveness, prevarication - aboard Camper? Bit of a shocker.

 

Particularly after leading the pack out of the Med.

 

In any event, we are learning a few things.

 

Cammas is clearly a formidable contender who knows the oceans of the world.

It is very gutsy to go rock-hunting along the African coast while Camper bails and the other two head west.

 

If he can make very big calls and live with the odium of being the outlier, he could put this away on his first try.

 

Of course, as plenty of TNZ guys are prone to say, it is "early days."

 

Which, all things considered, is a good thing.

 

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'As plenty of TNZ guys are prone to say' ...

 

Umm, isn't everyone saying that? Or is this thread supposed to be yet another (self-) glorification of your definition of 'Kiwi Culture'? ;)

 

The wind shifts are largely in control of this 9 months long slog of a race; may their respective cultures' wind Gods grant them all fair winds and following seas.

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'As plenty of TNZ guys are prone to say' ...

 

Umm, isn't everyone saying that? Or is this thread supposed to be yet another (self-) glorification of your definition of 'Kiwi Culture'? ;)

 

The wind shifts are largely in control of this 9 months long slog of a race; may their respective cultures' wind Gods grant them all fair winds and following seas.

 

You forgot the most important part. Cold beer and hot babes at the finish line.

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Cammas is clearly a formidable contender who knows the oceans of the world.

It is very gutsy to go rock-hunting along the African coast while Camper bails and the other two head west.

 

If he can make very big calls and live with the odium of being the outlier, he could put this away on his first try.

 

TNZ clearly has the experience advantage, it is the fist time for Cammas on a VOR, so he has to play a strategic game.

 

He also has to remember that the rules are not the same on a mono, however he has a formidable crew, with Charles Caudrelier.

 

During the Figaro these guys are alone on their boat and they keep the heavy kite, by night up to 40 knots of wind, yes, 40 knot with no visibility, and alone on their little boat. .

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Oh God I Love Drama Queens! :)

 

Nice that they had the bulkhead closed and the pumps worked exactly as designed to.

 

edit: more importantly, did I read that someone on board Sanya had already broken his foot? Was he supposed to go all the way to Cape Town, crippled? Labelled a drama queen if he couldn't get out of the bilge on a rough night?

 

That boat is toast, will be surprised if they are able to start another leg, no matter what old boat they try find.

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Oh God I Love Drama Queens! :)

 

 

Well you're at the right place.

 

Plenty of dead horses to beat around here, but you may have to take a number and get in line behind MSP, TC, and TK, who typically lead the charge.

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did I read that someone on board Sanya had already broken his foot? Was he supposed to go all the way to Cape Town, crippled? Labelled a drama queen if he couldn't get out of the bilge on a rough night?

 

 

 

Yes, and arrived back at port doped-up with painkillers.

 

Now requires a complex operatuion involving pins.

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Plenty of dead horses to beat around here, but you may have to take a number and get in line behind MSP, TC, and TK, who typically lead the charge.

 

So ... produce the apology.

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I'll take the risk of making a wilf guess for the next report in about 2 hours now:

1. Groupama : + 10 NM on the second

2. Telefonica

3. Puma

4. TNZ

 

Sh...t, Gpma tacked. Anyway, not too far:

 

1. Telefonica

2. Groupama : +1,1 Nm

3. Puma

4. TNZ

 

Your wag was two reports too early. next 24 hours should be interesting.

 

Hum, hum,... I was 3 hours too early and 2,8 Mn short.

 

1.Groupama: 7,2 Mn lead to the second

2. Telefonica

3. Puma

4. TNZ

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I'll take the risk of making a wilf guess for the next report in about 2 hours now:

1. Groupama : + 10 NM on the second

2. Telefonica

3. Puma

4. TNZ

 

Sh...t, Gpma tacked. Anyway, not too far:

 

1. Telefonica

2. Groupama : +1,1 Nm

3. Puma

4. TNZ

 

Your wag was two reports too early. next 24 hours should be interesting.

 

Hum, hum,... I was 3 hours too early and 2,8 Mn short.

 

1.Groupama: 7,2 Mn lead to the second

2. Telefonica

3. Puma

4. TNZ

 

The Camper navigators (Oxley/McLean) won't be too happy with finding themselves 30+ Nm to make up on Groupama. But you've got to hand it to the off-shore experience of Cammas and the ballsy call to "keep heading south, my son!!". Body language from Nico in the latest Camper video implies the decision to bail out of their southern route might have been a "pull-rank" decision...

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This thread needs more drama!

 

 

 

 

Camper now 44.8 miles behind the leader!

Groupama will sail into a high and from there on will do an absolute horizon job on the rest of the fleet.

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This thread needs more drama!

 

 

 

 

Camper now 44.8 miles behind the leader!

Groupama will sail into a high and from there on will do an absolute horizon job on the rest of the fleet.

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As Mrs SWS gushed: "Ya just can't beat experience!!" wink.gif

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not content with turning 1st to last

 

camper are now sailing away from the destination

 

toward lighter winds...

 

Teleconica are honking along @ 19knots!!

 

Telefonica

Time:09 Nov 2011 09:00:46 UTCLatitude:033° 40.409NLongitude:016° 40.454W SOG 19.64 knots GPS SOG16.90 knotsCOG227 °GPS COG224 °Altitude0 mBattery7.4 VSourceGPSCEP2 km

Groupama

Time:09 Nov 2011 09:00:01 UTCLatitude:031° 02.452NLongitude:010° 42.040W SOG 9.09 knots GPS SOG6.50 knotsCOG214 °GPS COG190 °Altitude0 mBattery8.2 VSourceGPSCEP25 km

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That boat is toast, will be surprised if they are able to start another leg, no matter what old boat they try find.

 

Based on what? your long experience building composite race yachts?

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Fuck this...Camper's going backwards as quickly as Telefonica is going forward!! 60+ Nm...Oxley had better make the right call in the next 12 hours or even Abu Dhabi might pass them ohmy.gif

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That boat is toast, will be surprised if they are able to start another leg, no matter what old boat they try find.

 

Based on what? your long experience building composite race yachts?

That boat will sail again but it is a huge repair...

 

From the VOR site:

“The piece of boat that we are going to chop out and replace is five metres long by three and a half metres wide by a metre high. That’s the same size as a reasonable sized powerboat that you could chuck a 100 horsepower outboard on and go out for a day’s fishing”.

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That boat is toast, will be surprised if they are able to start another leg, no matter what old boat they try find.

 

Based on what? your long experience building composite race yachts?

That boat will sail again but it is a huge repair...

 

From the VOR site:

"The piece of boat that we are going to chop out and replace is five metres long by three and a half metres wide by a metre high. That's the same size as a reasonable sized powerboat that you could chuck a 100 horsepower outboard on and go out for a day's fishing".

Right, that's much like what I read too. That and the fact getting it rebuilt, or another boat ready, ~and shipped to Cape Town~ in time, makes it tight.

 

Maybe a fallback is to rejoin in the UAE, or even in Sanya?

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That boat is toast, will be surprised if they are able to start another leg, no matter what old boat they try find.

 

Based on what? your long experience building composite race yachts?

That boat will sail again but it is a huge repair...

 

From the VOR site:

"The piece of boat that we are going to chop out and replace is five metres long by three and a half metres wide by a metre high. That's the same size as a reasonable sized powerboat that you could chuck a 100 horsepower outboard on and go out for a day's fishing".

Right, that's much like what I read too. That and the fact getting it rebuilt, or another boat ready, ~and shipped to Cape Town~ in time, makes it tight.

 

Maybe a fallback is to rejoin in the UAE, or even in Sanya?

 

Can they work on it while it is transit?

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Someone on Camper might be getting a serious earful round about now. Every decision they make seems to be the wrong one or the late one...it can't all be just "bad luck".

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Someone on Camper might be getting a serious earful round about now. Every decision they make seems to be the wrong one or the late one...it can't all be just "bad luck".

.

 

Groupama has to take the best of the next 2 days as Western boat are going to come back like rockets within about 65 hours. Western option of camper could pay at this time.

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That boat is toast, will be surprised if they are able to start another leg, no matter what old boat they try find.

 

Based on what? your long experience building composite race yachts?

That boat will sail again but it is a huge repair...

 

From the VOR site:

"The piece of boat that we are going to chop out and replace is five metres long by three and a half metres wide by a metre high. That's the same size as a reasonable sized powerboat that you could chuck a 100 horsepower outboard on and go out for a day's fishing".

Right, that's much like what I read too. That and the fact getting it rebuilt, or another boat ready, ~and shipped to Cape Town~ in time, makes it tight.

 

Maybe a fallback is to rejoin in the UAE, or even in Sanya?

 

Can they work on it while it is transit?

 

From the Volvo, they're shipping her to Cape Town, and then cramming "3 weeks of repair into 1" when they get there.

 

Hope they have lots of coffee and rum.

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Whoa! Camper now 81 miles behind the leader.

 

But Moose has a ship to take Sanya to Capetown.

 

Thinks he can make the next start.

 

Talk about stress!

 

 

 

Camper will have to turn south soon: they're doing less than half the speed of the others which should see them some 110+Nm behind if they don't get "lucky" soon!! Hope everything's ok aboard, with no instrumentation failures or inter-personal differences. If they're getting the same weather data as the others, something else might be an issue...

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Groupama back in the lead!

Starting to feel a bit sorry for Camper, now 81 miles behind and doing only 5.5kts while the rest is doing +/-13.

Did they take their three reefs out after leaving the med? :lol:

They just cant get to the same weather system as those ahead of them, worst case scenario is that will be doing this all the way to capetown :(

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Abu Dhabi under way...

 

 

Abu Dhabi

Time:09 Nov 2011 18:00:54 UTC

Latitude:038° 11.960N

Longitude:000° 27.810W

SOG 2.75 knots

GPS SOG 11.50 knots

COG174 °

GPS COG 166 °

Altitude 0 m

Battery 7.5

VSource GPS

CEP 2 km

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Groupama back in the lead!

Starting to feel a bit sorry for Camper, now 81 miles behind and doing only 5.5kts while the rest is doing +/-13.

Did they take their three reefs out after leaving the med? :lol:

They just cant get to the same weather system as those ahead of them, worst case scenario is that will be doing this all the way to capetown :(

 

Don't forget they have the gate off Brazil.

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Ouch, Camper now 105nm behind. Mainly because Groupama is doing twice the speed of the rest of the fleet gaining 20mn on the rest.

 

117 Nm now, however, as expected they doubled their speed to 10 knots. It will be interesting to see if the Northern boats tack tomorrow.

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117 Nm now, however, as expected they doubled their speed to 10 knots. It will be interesting to see if the Northern boats tack tomorrow.

 

Ignorant question, do VOR race boats have real-time tracking data for their competitors (eg. Yellow Brick)

 

Or, like us, do sit around waiting for the call-in - such as we see on the VOR tracker?.

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117 Nm now, however, as expected they doubled their speed to 10 knots. It will be interesting to see if the Northern boats tack tomorrow.

 

Ignorant question, do VOR race boats have real-time tracking data for their competitors (eg. Yellow Brick)

 

Or, like us, do sit around waiting for the call-in - such as we see on the VOR tracker?.

 

I am sure somebody can give a better answer than I do but they surely know as much as we do every 3 hours, which are: wind speed, boat speed, direction, wind angle.

And they have 3 or 4 wind forecasts instead of one for us, plus the sea conditions.

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Amazing, simply amazing, Camper is now 150 Nm behind and heading............... North !

 

Either they have different weather forecasts or they HAVE to tack. Do you think they could have hired SWS as their router ?

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