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billy backstay

New shotgun thread, per bmiller

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The OP needs to start the new thread. Got all the shotguns I need.

 

 

Belgian Browning AR that Grandpa left me. But he put an auto screw choke on it to shoot different loads for different birds back in the 50's so not great value as collectible, but a nice auto to shoot, albeit a bit heavy by modern standards. And you're not supposed to shoot steel through a belgian barrel.

 

Also have a Sears Roebuck, JC Higgins Pump 12 gauge...

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Remington 870 12ga.

 

 

So this thread is now closed?.....:P

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The dad of my friend from home (practically my second father) got a Mossberg 500 a year ago for "personal protection," regardless of the fact that we live in one of the safest frickin' neighborhoods that hasn't seen a burglary since '75. Thing is pretty fucking sexy, can't lie.

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Rem-870 at the house

Browning Citori for the trap field

Tricked-out Rem-1100 for "multigun" competition

...soon to be replaced by a tricked-out box-fed Saiga...

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Remington 870 12ga.

 

 

So this thread is now closed?.....:P

 

Can't beat the classics. B) , my brother had a fit when I brought my police special 870 with the folding stock to the skeet range, tried to get him to break out his trench gun :P , so I had to shoot my 20's vintage Parker 12ga side by, kind of hard on the shoulder.

 

 

Look at an older Wingmaster, nice shooting guns.

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Remington 870 12ga.

 

 

So this thread is now closed?.....:P

 

Yep.

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Remington 12g pump

 

and

 

Browning 12g over and under. Stunningly beautiful shotgun.

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Remington 870 12ga.

 

 

So this thread is now closed?.....:P

 

Yep.

 

Hmmm. Well that was fun. Got any pics of hotties on sailboats bigger than 36'?.............

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Remington 870 12ga.

 

 

So this thread is now closed?.....:P

 

Yep.

 

Hmmm. Well that was fun. Got any pics of hotties on sailboats bigger than 36'?.............

 

 

Bought my first shotgun at Woolworths in 1978. (pre steel shot) 870 Wingmaster. Just had it out today.

 

Many, many rounds have been pumped through that gun.

 

When I was a kid my uncle had a Browning OU Superposed. It's now worth more than I am. It was a dream to shoot

 

Damn I miss those days, and that gun.

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Back about 8 years ago a guy I worked for asked me if I wanted to go out and shoot some clay pigeons. Sure, its been over 20 years since I had a shotgun and it was longer still since I shot one. So I shot one of his and had a blast. I decided that night I was going to buy a shotgun. 2 days later a guy who worked for me asked me if I knew anyone who wanted to buy a used shotty. A pump Smith and Wesson 914t with a 30" barrel and a 20" smooth bore slug barrel. $100. I said sold, bring it in tomorrow. This with no idea of how it shot, what shape it was in... The 30" barrel is a full choke and I have probably put 20,000 rounds or so through it. Its a pretty good trap gun. (I joined a trap club for 2 years). For Christmas the next year my wife bought me a 12 ga Spartan SPR300 which was the old Russian Bakial OU. Great for birds and skeet. Its rugged and has a tighter then hell spring for cocking and ejecting shells, but its been very reliable.

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Back about 8 years ago a guy I worked for asked me if I wanted to go out and shoot some clay pigeons. Sure, its been over 20 years since I had a shotgun and it was longer still since I shot one. So I shot one of his and had a blast. I decided that night I was going to buy a shotgun. 2 days later a guy who worked for me asked me if I knew anyone who wanted to buy a used shotty. A pump Smith and Wesson 914t with a 30" barrel and a 20" smooth bore slug barrel. $100. I said sold, bring it in tomorrow. This with no idea of how it shot, what shape it was in... The 30" barrel is a full choke and I have probably put 20,000 rounds or so through it. Its a pretty good trap gun. (I joined a trap club for 2 years). For Christmas the next year my wife bought me a 12 ga Spartan SPR300 which was the old Russian Bakial OU. Great for birds and skeet. Its rugged and has a tighter then hell spring for cocking and ejecting shells, but its been very reliable.

 

 

Very nice, China...love the good ole stories. I'm currently been looking around for any cool olde SxS that I can add to my collection---just something really bitchin looking for under three bills-ish. Don't really give crap how accurate it is, 'cuz like a 50's Alfa, I just want something pretty to stare at and take out for a spin every now-and-again..... :P

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Remington 870 12ga.

 

 

So this thread is now closed?.....:P

 

Yep.

+1 would like a different stock though.

Got a nice 1100 as well.

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Only ever needed two and will hand them down to my son.

 

Zolarmi (Angelo Zoli) St. George Trap over/under 12 ga. LOVE that gun!!!!

 

Winchester 1300 Pump w/ 3 barrels and winchoke system. fully polished action by me, refinished stocks in deep walnut. too many afternoons stuffing 3-500 rounds and I've never had a jam. It's a Winchester!!

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The dad of my friend from home (practically my second father) got a Mossberg 500 a year ago for "personal protection," regardless of the fact that we live in one of the safest frickin' neighborhoods that hasn't seen a burglary since '75. Thing is pretty fucking sexy, can't lie.

the 500's were always my favorite, not the greatest gun, but cheap, lightweight and versatile. good quality for a gun that can be had for $100.

 

learned to shoot with 12 gauge shotgun. theyre great fun.

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Hey Rico, when we going out with the bangsticks?

 

In about 15 days, when the three new Kidz get out of jail..... :P

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tagging on from the other thread, i will talk to the old man and see what his previous gun was and will report back. thanks for all the help thus far.

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tagging on from the other thread, i will talk to the old man and see what his previous gun was and will report back. thanks for all the help thus far.

I just saw the original thread and I see you are thinking about buying a shotty for you dad. Depending on what he is going to use it for you can't beat the versitility of the Remmington 870. Its a pump so its more of a utility gun then a work of art over under. But at your price range the OU are going to be either very basic and durable, or very fancy looking and a POS. The 870 has been the classic design in pumps and there are so many options that can be purchased to change the use. You might buy a basic 12 gauge wingmaster that can take 3" shells and your dad could buy any number of different barrels with a variety of chokes to use it for any sort of hunting.

 

If he is looking for something for skeet, you need something that cycles itself or has 2 barrels so you can shoot doubles, its possible with a pump but you have to awfully good and really fast with the pump. The Remington 1100 is a nice gun, and the 1187 will give him some flexiability to shot heavier loads for ducks and geese.

 

Try to figure out what you want most (hunting ducks, deer, dove, pheasant..., targets, slug, trap, skeet,...) and let us know, I am sure we can narrow down some choices for you.

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Here's a one design that I carved out.....and there are no others like it on the planet. I got almost $42.00 into this girl......but I might be tempted to letcha have it for just $885.00.

 

(Nigerian bank checks only)....... :P

 

 

 

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Browning A5, Winchester SX2, Remington 870(dedicated deer gun - rifled slug barrel and a 2x7 scope) and a Ugartechea 12gauge SxS that weighs just about 5.5 lbs. Had the stock on that one shortened and bent to fit me and it is just magic on early season teal and doves. The Winchester is my "real " duck and goose gun as it is a semi auto and will handle 3" shells and not kick you to death. The 870 is the deer gun, kinda hard on the shoulder with really stiff loads but it likes the Hornady and Winchester polymer tipped slugs and shoots both well. My son is shooting a youth model Remington 11-87 - short stock and 20" barrel in 20 gauge. It has a smoothbore barrel for shot with interchangeable choke tubes and a very nice rifled slug tube with a decent 1.5 to 4.5 lowlight scope and is an absolute tack driver - at least in his hands.

 

The Spanish doubles _used_ to be a good deal for quality and price. AYA, and Ugartechea are both very nice quality. Duno about the price now. I bought mine from Lion Country Supply in Central Pennsylvania.

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Geez, where to start

 

A field game gun is not a Skeet gun, is not a Trap gun, is not a duck gun, is not a Sporting Clays gun, is not a goose gun.

 

They all have different characteristics. Some shotguns are good compromises for a few uses. Of course you can get an 870 and shoot 'em all but it wont be the best tool and it will handicap you for some.

 

Weight: More weight = less recoil

 

a field game gun will be carried x miles a day and shoot a handful of size #6-8 shells. Light is good

 

a Trap gun wont move but 30 feet but you may shoot 200-500 rounds a days. Heavy is good, light will kick the shit out of you after 100 and you'll start to flinch. Same with sporting clays and to a lesser extent skeet. # 7 1/2 - 8 shells

 

Goose loads (and duck loads to a lesser extent) are big heavy hot loads and will also kick yer ass if the gun is too light.

 

 

 

Gun fit is every thing. We can't all wear the same pants and we won't all shoot the same gun well.

You dont aim a shotgun. You "will" the shot pattern on to the target. The gun has to shoot where your eyes are pointing. A good shooter only sees and focuses on the target and doesn't really "see" the barrel. Proper fit is essential to good shooting results and an ill-fitting gun

will kick the shit out of you, bruise your cheekbone and shoulder whilst pissing you off 'cuz you can't hit a damn thing unless it's dead already.

 

Get a gun with an adjustable stock. Bennelli or a Beretta etc. They come with shims and spacers that make it possible to fit the gun correctly to the shooter. Get some help to get fitted at the sporting clays course.

 

I would rather shoot a well fitted Benneli Nova pump gun ($500) than a $12,000 Perazzi previously owned by a skinny midget.

 

I haven't even scratched the surface here of the dozens of other variables to good shotgunning.

 

PROPER FIT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING !!!!!!

 

My current guns are a

 

12 ga Benneli SBE

 

and

 

An AyA #2 Round action 12ga SxS that I got fitted for, and had custom made for me in Spain. Ooooh Baby !

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Listen up, Gurlz, for Dorado knows his shit....

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tagging on from the other thread, i will talk to the old man and see what his previous gun was and will report back. thanks for all the help thus far.

I just saw the original thread and I see you are thinking about buying a shotty for you dad. Depending on what he is going to use it for you can't beat the versitility of the Remmington 870. Its a pump so its more of a utility gun then a work of art over under. But at your price range the OU are going to be either very basic and durable, or very fancy looking and a POS. The 870 has been the classic design in pumps and there are so many options that can be purchased to change the use. You might buy a basic 12 gauge wingmaster that can take 3" shells and your dad could buy any number of different barrels with a variety of chokes to use it for any sort of hunting.

 

If he is looking for something for skeet, you need something that cycles itself or has 2 barrels so you can shoot doubles, its possible with a pump but you have to awfully good and really fast with the pump. The Remington 1100 is a nice gun, and the 1187 will give him some flexiability to shot heavier loads for ducks and geese.

 

Try to figure out what you want most (hunting ducks, deer, dove, pheasant..., targets, slug, trap, skeet,...) and let us know, I am sure we can narrow down some choices for you.

 

definitely only for skeet/trap etc.

 

thanks for the help, its much appreciated.

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Here's a one design that I carved out.....and there are no others like it on the planet. I got almost $42.00 into this girl......but I might be tempted to letcha have it for just $885.00.

 

(Nigerian bank checks only)....... :P

 

jc higgins? I had one years go.

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Here's a one design that I carved out.....and there are no others like it on the planet. I got almost $42.00 into this girl......but I might be tempted to letcha have it for just $885.00.

 

(Nigerian bank checks only)....... :P

 

jc higgins? I had one years go.

 

I somehow turned into a JC Higgins whore.....'cuz now I have seven. Four Model 10 bolt shotties, a Model 80/Hi Standard .22 pistol, a Model 45/Marlin 336C and a Model 29/Hi Standard .22 semi rifle that just landed on my front porch yesterday.

 

I...be fuked...... :P

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Trap guns are basicaly useless for anything other than Trap. The reason is that the shot pattern has to be well above the point of aim.

 

Picture yourself standing 35 yards away from a sheet of plywood that has a 3" dot in the middle of it. Carefully aim the trap gun at the dot and fire. The entire shot pattern will print above the dot.

 

Why?

 

The trap target is moving away and UP from you. FAST. In order to see, and lead the target correctly, the shot pattern has to be above the point of aim. Your sight picture should be that target just hovering above the ghost image of your barrel while the barrel is moving in a subtle upward direction. Take that trap gun to a skeet field and try to shoot a crossing target and you'll shoot over the top and miss every time.

Take a duck gun to a trap field and you will have to hide the target below the barrel (and your line of sight) to break it.

 

Forget Trap anyway, It's easy and boring, like playing crummy chess.

Start out at the skeet field and then move directly to Sporting Clays. That's the fun shit. Bring your wallet. Heroin is much cheaper

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At last, a gun thread that even the UK anarchists can relate to.

 

Like Dorado says,if it doesn't fit you, its waste of time and money.

 

Beretta silver pigeon, it fitted the first time and that was the main choice.

 

Anybody got any views on barrel length for different disciplines?

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tagging on from the other thread, i will talk to the old man and see what his previous gun was and will report back. thanks for all the help thus far.

I just saw the original thread and I see you are thinking about buying a shotty for you dad. Depending on what he is going to use it for you can't beat the versitility of the Remmington 870. Its a pump so its more of a utility gun then a work of art over under. But at your price range the OU are going to be either very basic and durable, or very fancy looking and a POS. The 870 has been the classic design in pumps and there are so many options that can be purchased to change the use. You might buy a basic 12 gauge wingmaster that can take 3" shells and your dad could buy any number of different barrels with a variety of chokes to use it for any sort of hunting.

 

If he is looking for something for skeet, you need something that cycles itself or has 2 barrels so you can shoot doubles, its possible with a pump but you have to awfully good and really fast with the pump. The Remington 1100 is a nice gun, and the 1187 will give him some flexiability to shot heavier loads for ducks and geese.

 

Try to figure out what you want most (hunting ducks, deer, dove, pheasant..., targets, slug, trap, skeet,...) and let us know, I am sure we can narrow down some choices for you.

 

definitely only for skeet/trap etc.

 

thanks for the help, its much appreciated.

 

By skeet / trap do you mean at a club where they have the actual skeet and trap set up, or in the back 40 where you are going to throw your own? it may sound like splitting hairs but its not, the games of skeet and trap are different and require different things from the gun set up to do them well. While hand throwing or using a mechanical spring thrower is often called skeet, its really nothing like skeet. Skeet has double shots, basic trap only uses single shots...

 

Granted for many people if they are good at either skeet or trap, and do the other for fun you can use one gun. If its something to be serious about, then you need different things in your shotties to do both. If you are doing skeet, do not go with a pump. Its slow and frustrating. If you are going trap, or just hand tossing them for yourselves, go with the pump.

 

The more I think about it and the more I re-read your original posts. I say go with an autoloader, the Remington 1100 has been around for years and is known for its soft shooting and will cycle target loads all day, you can shoot singles and doubles with the same gun. If you think he might want to pick up hunting, then go with the 11-87 it allows you to shoot targets or use the 3" and even larger shells for duck and goose hunting. There are many, many choices in autoloaders. The B guns are all nice (Browning, Benilli, Berretta) but all cost more. The remingtons I mentioned have a ton of users so they do something right, but the other major gun makers are making nice guns. Be aware that there are a lot of guns on the market for less money then the remingtons. If a gun costs 25% less, you have to wonder why. Some of the cheaper gun look beautiful, they have engraving, and deep checkered grips. Gorgeous, so ask yourself, how is it cheaper yet nicer looking? If you find a gun you like at a price you like. go to http://www.shotgunworld.com/ look up reviews and any quality problems peole have before plunking down the cash. Like any purchase a little research will help you make a better choice.

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I would rather shoot a well fitted Benneli Nova pump gun ($500) than a $12,000 Perazzi previously owned by a skinny midget.

 

 

 

I am going to digress and tell my favorite shotgun purchasing stories.

 

About 10 years ago I was in a golf outing, where you don't get to pick your partners. I was assigned to play with a guy, whose name sounded real familiar. We started to talk of course and we got around to figuring out quickly that he had worked the same place I worked but a few years earlier. But that wasn't why his name was familiar, a little more talking and I realised he was the State Champion for Trap shooting and had been 1 or 2 for many years. So of course I asked him what he shot. Well he says, I never thought I would do it, but I went out and bought a spaghetti gun (Perazzi) 4 years ago and it was the best and the worst gun purchase I ever made.

 

How so?

 

Well the gun shoots great, no problems with the gun. Its the best handling gun I ever owned. I had it tweaked and it fits me perfectly. But I broke one of the cardinal rules of gun buying and that gun cost me almost $40,000.

 

How could it cost you that much.

 

I paid by check. My wife balances the checkbook, she had no idea my guns cost anywhere near that much. The cost of the gun was around 15K, The cost of the remodeled kitchen and bathroom were around 25K

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I would rather shoot a well fitted Benneli Nova pump gun ($500) than a $12,000 Perazzi previously owned by a skinny midget.

 

 

 

I am going to digress and tell my favorite shotgun purchasing stories.

 

About 10 years ago I was in a golf outing, where you don't get to pick your partners. I was assigned to play with a guy, whose name sounded real familiar. We started to talk of course and we got around to figuring out quickly that he had worked the same place I worked but a few years earlier. But that wasn't why his name was familiar, a little more talking and I realised he was the State Champion for Trap shooting and had been 1 or 2 for many years. So of course I asked him what he shot. Well he says, I never thought I would do it, but I went out and bought a spaghetti gun (Perazzi) 4 years ago and it was the best and the worst gun purchase I ever made.

 

How so?

 

Well the gun shoots great, no problems with the gun. Its the best handling gun I ever owned. I had it tweaked and it fits me perfectly. But I broke one of the cardinal rules of gun buying and that gun cost me almost $40,000.

 

How could it cost you that much.

 

I paid by check. My wife balances the checkbook, she had no idea my guns cost anywhere near that much. The cost of the gun was around 15K, The cost of the remodeled kitchen and bathroom were around 25K

 

 

LOL!! some women do keep score. I've known of ladies who get a new wardrobe everytime hubby gets a new set of sails...:lol: New boat, might requre an apartment in the city or vacation home...

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Winchester 1300 (12 GA pump gun) - usually have a turkey choke, unless I'm shooting clays or slugs

H&R Single-shot (breech loader) 20 GA w/a .357 magnum rifle barrel

Remington 410 bolt-action (squirrel gun)

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Winchester Model 12 12ga

Winchester Model 12 16ga

Winchester Model 11 12ga (not a miss type)

Remington Model 11-87 12ga

Remington Model 1100 12ga

 

I really liked an old Ithica Over/Under in 20ga, but traded it some time back. I really don't need anymore shotguns.

 

There may be one or two more. I do love the Model 12's

 

Mom has an 870 built in the 50's that is just as good as the Model 12's. Dad fit the stock to her, and any grown man can not shoot it. She calls the gun Bertha, and nobody wants to be on the business end with her on the trigger. She once caught a man dumping off a bridge into a creek on our land. She held him at gunpoint (Bertha) until he cleaned the creek of all trash his or not, cut a trail back up to the road, and then made him wait for Dad to show up. At 68, she can out shoot most 20 year olds. She torqued her right rotator cuff last year water skiing. The doc could only grin at the thought of a woman her age getting surgery for a sports injury.

 

The shotguns get clays and bird duty. Turkey and dove mostly. Ducks but not in a long while. We use rifles for deer. I shoot .22's for target (paper and steel). Pistols, well that is another story all together.

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tagging on from the other thread, i will talk to the old man and see what his previous gun was and will report back. thanks for all the help thus far.

I just saw the original thread and I see you are thinking about buying a shotty for you dad. Depending on what he is going to use it for you can't beat the versitility of the Remmington 870. Its a pump so its more of a utility gun then a work of art over under. But at your price range the OU are going to be either very basic and durable, or very fancy looking and a POS. The 870 has been the classic design in pumps and there are so many options that can be purchased to change the use. You might buy a basic 12 gauge wingmaster that can take 3" shells and your dad could buy any number of different barrels with a variety of chokes to use it for any sort of hunting.

 

If he is looking for something for skeet, you need something that cycles itself or has 2 barrels so you can shoot doubles, its possible with a pump but you have to awfully good and really fast with the pump. The Remington 1100 is a nice gun, and the 1187 will give him some flexiability to shot heavier loads for ducks and geese.

 

Try to figure out what you want most (hunting ducks, deer, dove, pheasant..., targets, slug, trap, skeet,...) and let us know, I am sure we can narrow down some choices for you.

 

definitely only for skeet/trap etc.

 

thanks for the help, its much appreciated.

 

By skeet / trap do you mean at a club where they have the actual skeet and trap set up, or in the back 40 where you are going to throw your own? it may sound like splitting hairs but its not, the games of skeet and trap are different and require different things from the gun set up to do them well. While hand throwing or using a mechanical spring thrower is often called skeet, its really nothing like skeet. Skeet has double shots, basic trap only uses single shots...

 

Granted for many people if they are good at either skeet or trap, and do the other for fun you can use one gun. If its something to be serious about, then you need different things in your shotties to do both. If you are doing skeet, do not go with a pump. Its slow and frustrating. If you are going trap, or just hand tossing them for yourselves, go with the pump.

 

The more I think about it and the more I re-read your original posts. I say go with an autoloader, the Remington 1100 has been around for years and is known for its soft shooting and will cycle target loads all day, you can shoot singles and doubles with the same gun. If you think he might want to pick up hunting, then go with the 11-87 it allows you to shoot targets or use the 3" and even larger shells for duck and goose hunting. There are many, many choices in autoloaders. The B guns are all nice (Browning, Benilli, Berretta) but all cost more. The remingtons I mentioned have a ton of users so they do something right, but the other major gun makers are making nice guns. Be aware that there are a lot of guns on the market for less money then the remingtons. If a gun costs 25% less, you have to wonder why. Some of the cheaper gun look beautiful, they have engraving, and deep checkered grips. Gorgeous, so ask yourself, how is it cheaper yet nicer looking? If you find a gun you like at a price you like. go to http://www.shotgunworld.com/ look up reviews and any quality problems peole have before plunking down the cash. Like any purchase a little research will help you make a better choice.

 

thanks for the help. i believe he did have a Remington semiautomatic, er autoloader (still havent had a chance to call him up). he did shoot skeet, but i think the last couple times he went out it was trap.

 

 

 

billy backstay, my mom was one of those kinds of wives.... everytime my dad bought new sails, she bought something of similar value... no boat now though.

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Remington 870 12ga Magnum pump for duck hunting - Dad bought it for me back in the early 70's.

 

Browning 12ga XS Skeet O/U - for skeet obviuosly

 

Browning 20ga Model 525 - Dove hunting and Sporting clays. Light on the shoulder and easy to carry in the field.

 

Remington 870 12ga Marine Magnum for personal defense...

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You guys need to be aware of what has been happening over at Remington since the Cebreus Co. bought them out (as well as another American icon, Marlin Firearms). There's literally dozens of gun forums citing the real shitty quality control of these guns since the buyout.....and I mean it's been REAL shitty.....missing sights, barrels clocked at 11;30, bad springs, crappy fit & finish, terrible blueing, magazine & loading problems....the list is quite long. So my suggestion if you're gonna get a Remmy is to find a NIB gun that was built before the end of 2010........

 

 

(you can start looking here on Gun Broker. And if you see something you like, let me know and I can walk you thru the bidding/buying process)

 

 

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/SearchResults.aspx

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weatherby athena 20 ga over/under grade 4

 

browing bbs 20 ga side-by-side

 

ithica featherweight 12 ga pump

 

american browning auto-5 12 ga

 

remington 1100 20 ga semi-auto

 

 

the above list is the collection held between my father and i. my favorite to shoot is the ithica. kicks the hardest but fits me the best. box of high brass will leave a decent bruise for certain. the american browning was made during world war ii and was actually made by remington. awesome sounding action on that gun. not light, long barrel. pretty good pheasant gun if you can stand to carry it. my father's favorite is the browning bbs. beautiful gun. he's a grouse magnet with it, bored skeet skeet. my stepdad had a great ithica featherweight 20 ga but sold it. loved to hunt that gun also. the 1100 is junk in my opinion.

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I somehow turned into a JC Higgins whore.....'cuz now I have seven. Four Model 10 bolt shotties, a Model 80/Hi Standard .22 pistol, a Model 45/Marlin 336C and a Model 29/Hi Standard .22 semi rifle that just landed on my front porch yesterday.

 

I...be fuked...... :P

who made them? mine had a hinge thingy on the bottom.

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Start out at the skeet field and then move directly to Sporting Clays. That's the fun shit. Bring your wallet. Heroin is much cheaper

clays are tough. I'm a great shot, used to win a lot at turkey shoots. but then tried clays, yikes. only went once though.

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Start out at the skeet field and then move directly to Sporting Clays. That's the fun shit. Bring your wallet. Heroin is much cheaper

clays are tough. I'm a great shot, used to win a lot at turkey shoots. but then tried clays, yikes. only went once though.

 

 

Like it was pointed out earlier. Different guns work for different clay sports. Turkey shoots are usually Trap, fast moving rising targets, a gun with a high point of impact works great for trap. Clays need more lead and a flatter shooting gun. If you use the same gun, aim low next time and you will have better luck.

 

Face on the stock, eye on the rock.

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A matched pair of Grade V Browning Citori 12 and 20. An SKB side by side 28ga. A couple of 12ga autos when I'm missing birds!

Ray

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Daggone idjit.

 

 

I occasionally play with a Remington 870 Youth Model, with a full-size 870 stock so it handles like a short barrel 20-gauge. It shoots trap or skeet fine with a bore-diameter choke and the pump cycles plenty fast enough. 20's s have a bit small a pattern for this kind of work though an older person might appreciate the more rearward center of gravity. I have an older 12-gauge Winchester 1200 that we found in a coat closet of the grandfather-in-law (along with 4 shells) while clearing out his place. Being the family gun nut, I was given charge of it presumably until a direct desendant is old enough to show interest.

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Benelli pump guns are competitively priced.

Benelli autos are a bit more.

Got both a Supernova set up as a slug gun (MA doesn't allow rifle) and a Vinci setup for chirp chirps.

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old reliable. rem 870 shorty with synth stock. thinking of going semi-tactical with it.

 

3 1/2 magnum slugs for killing paper hurt. reduced recoil shot for killing paper does not.

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I have a Winchester model 1300 Stainless Marine 12 gauge pump. She is in like new condition, and I bought her in 1994.

 

Sweet looking gun, that looks mean. 18 1/4" stock barrell.

 

I wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of her!

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Not a shotgun, but just removed an older Savage single shot break action 22LR from a clients house at the new tenants request. Nice old gun, needs a bit of oil on the bluing..

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I have a Winchester model 1300 Stainless Marine 12 gauge pump. She is in like new condition, and I bought her in 1994.

 

Sweet looking gun, that looks mean. 18 1/4" stock barrell.

 

I wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of her!

 

Mossberg Mariner is a nice piece too.

Dad has had one since lobstering days.

:ph34r:

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I have a Winchester model 1300 Stainless Marine 12 gauge pump. She is in like new condition, and I bought her in 1994.

 

Sweet looking gun, that looks mean. 18 1/4" stock barrell.

 

I wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of her!

 

Mossberg Mariner is a nice piece too.

Dad has had one since lobstering days.

:ph34r:

 

Probably better than my stainless Mini-14 for boat defense; at least a round isn't going through the bottom of the hull!:o

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I have a Winchester model 1300 Stainless Marine 12 gauge pump. She is in like new condition, and I bought her in 1994.

 

Sweet looking gun, that looks mean. 18 1/4" stock barrell.

 

I wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of her!

 

Mossberg Mariner is a nice piece too.

Dad has had one since lobstering days.

:ph34r:

 

 

The pump action on the Mossbergs is very loosygoosy, compared to the Model 1300. (of course, the Winchester cost twice as much) :ph34r:;)

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I have a Winchester model 1300 Stainless Marine 12 gauge pump. She is in like new condition, and I bought her in 1994.

 

Sweet looking gun, that looks mean. 18 1/4" stock barrell.

 

I wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of her!

 

Mossberg Mariner is a nice piece too.

Dad has had one since lobstering days.

:ph34r:

 

Probably better than my stainless Mini-14 for boat defense; at least a round isn't going through the bottom of the hull!:o

 

 

I have been looking at those Stainless Mini-14's. I also have a stainless Ruger 10-22 that I am about to dust off and use to start shooting on the cheap. Saving dough at the moment to get a scope for her.

 

Is your Mini-14 the tactical version, or the one that looks like a hunting rifle?

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I have a Winchester model 1300 Stainless Marine 12 gauge pump. She is in like new condition, and I bought her in 1994.

 

Sweet looking gun, that looks mean. 18 1/4" stock barrell.

 

I wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of her!

 

Mossberg Mariner is a nice piece too.

Dad has had one since lobstering days.

:ph34r:

 

Probably better than my stainless Mini-14 for boat defense; at least a round isn't going through the bottom of the hull!:o

 

 

I have been looking at those Stainless Mini-14's. I also have a stainless Ruger 10-22 that I am about to dust off and use to start shooting on the cheap. Saving dough at the moment to get a scope for her.

 

Is your Mini-14 the tactical version, or the one that looks like a hunting rifle?

 

 

It's a Ranch Model, wood stock and SS scope..

 

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Nice gun.

 

I like the looks of the Mini-30 Stainless, but not sure if I would want 7.62 instead of .223?

 

Since we are a NATO country, it makes sense to have a rifle chambered in a NATO round.

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Dorado just gave lots of great info.

 

My guns:

 

Field: benelli 12g m90 (lighter than black eagle, carried miles & miles for chukar)

 

Field: beretta onyx 20g

 

S-clays: beretta silver pigeon 12g & 20g

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Benelli Nova 12-GA, black synthetic, 3-1/2", 28" barrel

 

Italian, rugged, sexy, and lightweight. Just like I like my women.

 

silo_4000_nova_20_syn_youth_field.jpg

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when my ex father in law died in a tragic antique tractor accident - true story, and he was a nice guy too - my son inherited a load of firearms from him - including lots of shotguns

 

without getting out the list I would say there are a couple of model 12s, a few 870s, including a riot gun, a couple of 1100 autos, a couple of very nice OUs, and a couple of single shot. all in various gauges, 12, 16, 20, & 28

 

Probably need to get rid of a few

 

the 20 gauge single shot is fun for plinking around and teaching my daughters to shoot - I can load it faster than the autos or pump.

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pete, if you want to talk about one of the autoloaders, um, i may be interested.

 

also, i talked to my dad the other day and he said he had a Remington (or was it winchester?...) 1300. according to his friend it was now worth like 3-4k? oh well...

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pete, if you want to talk about one of the autoloaders, um, i may be interested.

 

also, i talked to my dad the other day and he said he had a Remington (or was it winchester?...) 1300. according to his friend it was now worth like 3-4k? oh well...

 

I beliee the 1300 is a winchester and they only made a gazillion of them. Was more along the lines of the Rem 870 or the Mossy 500. Not sure how it would be worth that much today. I think they go for $250 or so.

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Speaking of shotguns, anyone need some Swift Premier rifle scopes? Bought ten of them yesterday....but I only needed two..... :P

 

http://www.thehighro...ad.php?t=625009

 

 

I have been dusting off my Ruger 10-22 Stainless for some good cheap plinking/target shooting.

 

How big are the scopes? What power? Send me a PM if you like.

 

That link just led me to a sign in page for some forum...

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pete, if you want to talk about one of the autoloaders, um, i may be interested.

 

also, i talked to my dad the other day and he said he had a Remington (or was it winchester?...) 1300. according to his friend it was now worth like 3-4k? oh well...

 

I beliee the 1300 is a winchester and they only made a gazillion of them. Was more along the lines of the Rem 870 or the Mossy 500. Not sure how it would be worth that much today. I think they go for $250 or so.

 

 

They don't make the Model 1300 anymore, so some people think they are worth more now. I don't care what mine is worth, I would never sell her. Cost me $440. plus tax, back in 1994.

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Speaking of shotguns, anyone need some Swift Premier rifle scopes? Bought ten of them yesterday....but I only needed two..... :P

 

http://www.thehighro...ad.php?t=625009

 

Why did you buy ten?

 

'Cuz this is AMERICA, gawd dammit, and I could......... :P

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Speaking of shotguns, anyone need some Swift Premier rifle scopes? Bought ten of them yesterday....but I only needed two..... :P

 

http://www.thehighro...ad.php?t=625009

 

 

I have been dusting off my Ruger 10-22 Stainless for some good cheap plinking/target shooting.

 

How big are the scopes? What power? Send me a PM if you like.

 

That link just led me to a sign in page for some forum...

 

Here ya go, Greever.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

I did a bit of horse trading the other day and ended up with some brand new (circa 2005) Swift Premiers. These are all still in their original boxes & packaging, never mounted, have their original papers and paper practice targets, dust covers and sun shades. Here's what I got left;

 

A). Swift Premier Model SRP Mil 687M, 4.5-14x44mm, matte black, NIB.

 

(Got two left.....$247.00 each, shipped.)

 

 

B). Swift Premiers Model #SRP649M, 4-12x50mm, matte black, NIB.

 

(Got two left ....$231.00 each, shipped.)

 

 

C). Swift Premier Model #SRP674M, 3-9x40, matte black, NIB.

 

(Got two of these left also.....$187.00 each, shipped)

 

 

D). Swift Premier Model #SRP676M, 4-12x40mm, matte black, NIB

 

(Got only one of these left.....$168.00, shipped)

 

 

Fwiw, here's one of the 4.5-14x44 Mil dots (that I'm keeping), mounted to the '49 Husqvarna #640......

 

 

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And here's one of the 3-9x40's that I'm keeping for Tony the Tiger......

 

 

 

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Ouch, way too big for my 10-22, and out of my price range to boot! :unsure:

 

I did join thehighroad website as 10-22Plinker. I have also joined www.firearmstalk.com registered under the same username.

 

Thanks for the link Mariachi...

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Would look good on the Marlin 30-30 lever action, but not in the budget right now....:(

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Ouch, way too big for my 10-22, and out of my price range to boot! :unsure:

 

I did join thehighroad website as 10-22Plinker. I have also joined www.firearmstalk.com registered under the same username.

 

Thanks for the link Mariachi...

 

The High Road is a large community with a bunch of smart guys on it.....but it's so heavily moderated I'm sometimes afraid to post anything. Kryst, I got THREE different warnings from them in a 24 hour period last month (one was for what I thought was a klassic, comparing pics of some guy's pitted & rusted out rifle bore to Katie Couric's televised colonoscopy. I mean really? :P ). So they clearly do not understand my brand of humor. In fact they even made me fuking change my sig line, supposedly 'cuz they had received complaints? Meee-owwww.....

 

 

 

 

 

(oh yeah, join these guys too. They have a entire sub-forum devoted to you nutty 10/22'ers, who insist on buying a $220.00 rifle that can't shoot-for-shit when brand new, and then proceed to dump another grand into them. Just to get them so they can shoot as well as a $105.00 Marlin 795 does, right out of the box.... :lol: )

 

 

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/index.php

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Alright Sgt. York-iachi

 

Why dont you explain the theory of how a Mil-dot works and how it's used for ranging ???? :P:P:P:blink::lol:

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Yeah, I know, different weapon, but this Johnny Cash cover (from a Steve Earl song) is too good not to stick somewhere.

 

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Alright Sgt. York-iachi

 

Why dont you explain the theory of how a Mil-dot works and how it's used for ranging ???? :P:blink::lol:

 

 

Uhm....er...stutter-stutter......hrumphffff. Tell ya what....you go first..... :P

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Sorry Pal

 

I'm way to stupid to apply radian measurement in the field whilst the Huns are trying to deprive the world of my offspring . . . B)

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Sorry Pal

 

I'm way to stupid to apply radian measurement in the field whilst the Huns are trying to deprive the world of my offspring . . . B)

 

 

That's ok....I only bought it 'cuz it's big and black and it makes me feel less feminine..... :P

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Sorry Pal

 

I'm way to stupid to apply radian measurement in the field whilst the Huns are trying to deprive the world of my offspring . . . B)

 

 

That's ok....I only bought it 'cuz it's big and black and it makes me feel less feminine..... :P

 

 

I could ask my wife, she was with the 101st... :rolleyes:

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(oh yeah, join these guys too. They have a entire sub-forum devoted to you nutty 10/22'ers, who insist on buying a $220.00 rifle that can't shoot-for-shit when brand new, and then proceed to dump another grand into them. Just to get them so they can shoot as well as a $105.00 Marlin 795 does, right out of the box.... :lol: )

 

 

http://www.rimfirece...orums/index.php

 

 

Yah, I am leaving mine mostly stock. Allready has a nice triggerjob, and the extended magazine release. Just need a singlepoint sling, and a scope and she's good to go. (plus a shitload of extra mags)

 

I hear you about "other" forums. I was on the woodenboat forum the other day, and almost posted a "SA" style post, but caught myself just in time. :D

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(oh yeah, join these guys too. They have a entire sub-forum devoted to you nutty 10/22'ers, who insist on buying a $220.00 rifle that can't shoot-for-shit when brand new, and then proceed to dump another grand into them. Just to get them so they can shoot as well as a $105.00 Marlin 795 does, right out of the box.... :lol: )

 

 

http://www.rimfirece...orums/index.php

 

 

Yah, I am leaving mine mostly stock. Allready has a nice triggerjob, and the extended magazine release. Just need a singlepoint sling, and a scope and she's good to go. (plus a shitload of extra mags)

 

I hear you about "other" forums. I was on the woodenboat forum the other day, and almost posted a "SA" style post, but caught myself just in time. :D

 

 

For the life of me I've yet to figure out why so many forums who are staunch supporters of the 2A seem to be so anti 1A? Or at least let their members cut loose every once in a while. Kryst, I even got flicked off of CalGuns.net. Permanately. Three fuking times. I gave up trying to rejoin 'cuz I just plain ran out of g-damn email addresses...... :P

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For the life of me I've yet to figure out why so many forums who are staunch supporters of the 2A seem to be so anti 1A? Or at least let their members cut loose every once in a while. Kryst, I even got flicked off of CalGuns.net. Permanately. Three fuking times. I gave up trying to rejoin 'cuz I just plain ran out of g-damn email addresses...... :P

 

 

I hear you Brother.

 

That's why we call SA "home" I guess. Before I was referred to SA by a Pilot buddy, I was a member of the AOPA Forums. Talk about overmoderated, it was unfucking believable! :blink:

 

Happy shooting, El' Mariachi.

 

PS: are you even allowed to own magazines with an over ten round capacity in Califuckistan?

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No Greever, we can't. 'Cuz Sukramento (in all their infinite wisdom) came to the conclusion years ago that 10 rounds makes you a sportsman, while eleven makes you a mass murderer. So who are we (the peasantry, the serfs, the subjects and the common people) to fault their scientifically proven logic?.... :P

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That FEINKENSTEIN ...

 

she's a Monster I tell ya ! :o

 

and it just . . .won't . . . die . .

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That FEINKENSTEIN ...

 

she's a Monster I tell ya ! :o

 

and it just . . .won't . . . die . .

 

No shit. I wouldn't be shocked if she'll be a pallbearer at Keith Richards funeral....

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https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/392720_2462469194500_1035328548_2758035_1061844421_n.jpg

 

Benelli SBE 28" barrel, Max-4 camo, opening weekend in SE LA, 1 short of 2 limits, gnats kept us from staying for the last one.

 

Man, but y'all got some pretty anemic looking deer out there........

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Looks yummy from here. Flooded rice or ? fields?

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Remington 1100 12ga. (mine).....

Remington 1100 20ga. (mine and kids).....

Remington 1100 20ga. Youth Special with about 3 stocks as modified as Grabs Jr grew up, and now used by the 10 yr old Grabette Jr. (aka Honeybadger thanks EM).....

Just went halves w/ Jr. in his Benelli Nova pump 12ga. to keep his filthy hands off my 1100....although with it being good for 3 1/2" maybe he'll let me use it duck hunting sometimes :P

 

BTW all the 1100's over 25 yrs. old

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I used to have my Dad's 1955 Belgian Browning 20ga Superposed O/U. Sweetest gun I've ever shot..ever. Till some douchebag broke into our house and stole it, along with a few other guns and ALL my wife's jewelry. Wish I'd been home to greet him with said Browning in hand. I would have been cleaning his guts off the walls for weeks!

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Remington 1100 12ga. (mine).....

Remington 1100 20ga. (mine and kids).....

Remington 1100 20ga. Youth Special with about 3 stocks as modified as Grabs Jr grew up, and now used by the 10 yr old Grabette Jr. (aka Honeybadger thanks EM).....

Just went halves w/ Jr. in his Benelli Nova pump 12ga. to keep his filthy hands off my 1100....although with it being good for 3 1/2" maybe he'll let me use it duck hunting sometimes :P

 

BTW all the 1100's over 25 yrs. old

 

 

I've heard good things about the Benelli Nova, how do you like it?

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AA-12 US military grade, fully automatic shotgun, recoiless, stainless construction, 30 or 40 round drum mags, an assortment of really nasty ammo, from projectile grenades, armor piercing, go through a wall and then explode rounds, or a standard 12 gauge. You can fire 30 rounds in about 4 seconds. Try to count to thirty in 4 seconds!

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AA-12 US military grade, fully automatic shotgun, recoiless, stainless construction, 30 or 40 round drum mags, an assortment of really nasty ammo, from projectile grenades, armor piercing, go through a wall and then explode rounds, or a standard 12 gauge. You can fire 30 rounds in about 4 seconds. Try to count to thirty in 4 seconds!

 

I just viewed your profile.....and saw absolutely no mention that you live in Somalia....

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so why did you get flicked from Calguns? Ya gotta try hard for that one Ricky.... That was the one place I'd tell you to go and you ... oh well

 

keep the mildot, its supergood. If you want to know how to use the mildots as a ranging reticle lemme know.

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so why did you get flicked from Calguns? Ya gotta try hard for that one Ricky.... That was the one place I'd tell you to go and you ... oh well

 

keep the mildot, its supergood. If you want to know how to use the mildots as a ranging reticle lemme know.

 

 

1). Thanx for the Mil dot tutorial....I'm gonna need it in a couple of weekends.

 

2). I think the final straw was during the impending grocery workers strike last summer, when I questioned some vegetable stocker union guy's importance in The Grand Scheme Of Life, and why he deserved to make $21.38 @ hour.

 

3). There were two others as well....but so much more mundane I can't even remember.

 

4). Oh yeah, here's one----I asked some 19 year enlisted man if getting married was a good career move. And to Google 'Vaginamony'.

 

5). Oh well, less Christmas cards I need to mail out this year...... :P

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AA-12 US military grade, fully automatic shotgun, recoiless, stainless construction, 30 or 40 round drum mags, an assortment of really nasty ammo, from projectile grenades, armor piercing, go through a wall and then explode rounds, or a standard 12 gauge. You can fire 30 rounds in about 4 seconds. Try to count to thirty in 4 seconds!

 

 

Damn, and I thought I was the shit with my Stainless Marine. :huh:

 

 

I think this guy wins! :D

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AA-12 US military grade, fully automatic shotgun, recoiless, stainless construction, 30 or 40 round drum mags, an assortment of really nasty ammo, from projectile grenades, armor piercing, go through a wall and then explode rounds, or a standard 12 gauge. You can fire 30 rounds in about 4 seconds. Try to count to thirty in 4 seconds!

 

 

Damn, and I thought I was the shit with my Stainless Marine. :huh:

 

 

I think this guy wins! :D

 

Hands down!! Love to see a piccy of that baby!!

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AA-12 US military grade, fully automatic shotgun, recoiless, stainless construction, 30 or 40 round drum mags, an assortment of really nasty ammo, from projectile grenades, armor piercing, go through a wall and then explode rounds, or a standard 12 gauge. You can fire 30 rounds in about 4 seconds. Try to count to thirty in 4 seconds!

 

 

Damn, and I thought I was the shit with my Stainless Marine. :huh:

 

 

I think this guy wins! :D

 

Hands down!! Love to see a piccy of that baby!!

 

 

To hell with that, I want to shoot it! :)

 

Imagine what your shoulder would feel like after shooting 30 rounds of 00 Buck, on full auto with that puppy! :o

 

On the other hand, imagine what it would do to a boatload of Somali Pirates! B)

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On the other hand, imagine what it would do to a boatload of Somali Pirates! B)

 

7.62x51 anything will do the job.

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On the other hand, imagine what it would do to a boatload of Somali Pirates! B)

 

7.62x51 anything will do the job.

 

 

Actually, I am leaning towards the Mini-30.

 

Still, with 15 pellet 00 Buck, that's 450 projectiles heading towards them in 4 seconds!

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At last, a gun thread that even the UK anarchists can relate to.

 

Like Dorado says,if it doesn't fit you, its waste of time and money.

 

Beretta silver pigeon, it fitted the first time and that was the main choice.

 

Anybody got any views on barrel length for different disciplines?

Interesting to me how many people share interests here. Beretta for me too, no US supporters here of the brand ? Shot a Browning once and liked it also. Game season has started, walked/rode past a few shoots on Saturday and Sunday, great to see the dogs out working.

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Interesting to me how many people share interests here. Beretta for me too, no US supporters here of the brand ? Shot a Browning once and liked it also. Game season has started, walked/rode past a few shoots on Saturday and Sunday, great to see the dogs out working.

berretta makes nice guns. been on the lookout for a bl 2 stakeout for 20 years..

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At last, a gun thread that even the UK anarchists can relate to.

 

Like Dorado says,if it doesn't fit you, its waste of time and money.

 

Beretta silver pigeon, it fitted the first time and that was the main choice.

 

Anybody got any views on barrel length for different disciplines?

Interesting to me how many people share interests here. Beretta for me too, no US supporters here of the brand ? Shot a Browning once and liked it also. Game season has started, walked/rode past a few shoots on Saturday and Sunday, great to see the dogs out working.

 

Lots o Beretta supporters here, just maybe not on SA.

 

I am old school, Winchester 1440 MkII my Aunt gave to me when my Uncle passed.

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