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Not sure if this made the wires in the states, but I'm spending the holidays in Spain, and it was on the news that Ernie donated A5 to the city of Valencia.

 

Rita thanked him profusely and is in the process of figuring out how to import it. I guess it was taken back to CH.

 

Anyway,.. kind of surprising to me. I don't know where they would be able to show it in a way that would be interesting. I've seen the Stars and Stripes catamaran in Valle de Bravo, and it isn't much to look at while at anchor, and it has a wing . A5 with its sails down will look like stage rigging from ground level. Furthermore, I wouldn't expect too much interest in the loser.

 

I suppose that as a city mayor, I'd take it if it was free... but installed. Just moving the thing, setting it up, and putting it in a display will cost millions.

 

Maybe that is what Ernie is doing... providing it delivered and installed.

 

Anyway, interesting.

 

A5 looks to get a better display that USA 17 which I've seen in her white shrink-wrap on the dock in SF. But I'm sure that will change when SF gets built out.

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or motivated by some sort of tax write off?

 

I read a translated article somewhere where the gist is that A5 was imported duty-free into Valencia from RAK, and that duty is now payable. Also mentioned (in pidgin English translation) is that it'll cost millions to accept the "loser gift" unwanted by it's mother YC.

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A5 never left VLC. She has been in storage there since AC33.

 

In spite of losing, she is one cool boat. Doubt she will ever sail again... She and USA17 are a bit like Shamrock III and Reliance from 1903 - spectacular but not very practical for anything other than an AC Match. Of course, being good for an AC Match is quite an impressive quality for a yacht...

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A5 never left VLC. She has been in storage there since AC33.

 

In spite of losing, she is one cool boat. Doubt she will ever sail again... She and USA17 are a bit like Shamrock III and Reliance from 1903 - spectacular but not very practical for anything other than an AC Match. Of course, being good for an AC Match is quite an impressive quality for a yacht...

 

Yes, one of the coolest sailing scenes ever was A5 getting its ass handed to it by USA 17.

 

Sorry, but that boat represents one of the worst statements ever in the history of the sport, of almost any sport - the owner who tried to cheat every chance he could.

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Kia ora Rita,

 

Merry Xmas.

 

Alright, about the A5.

 

Put it in the park down by the Hotel Neptune. Behind the Veles A Vents building.

Your know the place. Where the spare IACC boats were stored during the 2007 festivities.

 

A5 was the loser boat.

 

But who cares? The AC45s are the little brothers of A5.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Cheers, TK

 

 

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Kia ora Rita,

 

Merry Xmas.

 

Alright, about the A5.

 

Put it in the park down by the Hotel Neptune. Behind the Veles A Vents building.

Your know the place. Where the spare IACC boats were stored during the 2007 festivities.

 

A5 was the loser boat.

 

But who cares? The AC45s are the little brothers of A5.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Cheers, TK

 

Don't remember a wing on A5

 

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A5 never left VLC. She has been in storage there since AC33.

 

In spite of losing, she is one cool boat. Doubt she will ever sail again... She and USA17 are a bit like Shamrock III and Reliance from 1903 - spectacular but not very practical for anything other than an AC Match. Of course, being good for an AC Match is quite an impressive quality for a yacht...

 

Yes, one of the coolest sailing scenes ever was A5 getting its ass handed to it by USA 17.

 

Sorry, but that boat represents one of the worst statements ever in the history of the sport, of almost any sport - the owner who tried to cheat every chance he could.

 

one of the worst statements ever ?? Well, let's see...

In 1987, after Mercury Bay Boat Club filed its valid challenge the COO of Sail America Foundation was quoted in the press as sailing, "We'll jimmy the rules to win this thing."

 

The court's final decision (2 years after the racing) pointed out that it was not the court's job to figure out what is fair, just what is legal. Figuring out what is legal is part of the AC game. In 1987 Sail America Foundationa and SDYC did a poor job of understanding what was a legal challenge. In 1988, Mercury Bay did a poor job of figuring out what was a legal defender. In 2007 Alinghi and SNG did a poor job of figuring out what was a yacht club. In 1851, Robert Underwood, the English pilot on board America, did a good job of figuring out the "sailing instructions" he was given and correctly understood that America did not need to round the Nab light vessel.

 

It would appear that figuring out the rules is as much a part of the AC tradition as designing a fast boat.

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Kia ora Rita,

 

Merry Xmas.

 

Alright, about the A5.

 

Put it in the park down by the Hotel Neptune. Behind the Veles A Vents building.

Your know the place. Where the spare IACC boats were stored during the 2007 festivities.

 

A5 was the loser boat.

 

But who cares? The AC45s are the little brothers of A5.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

 

Cheers, TK

 

Don't remember a wing on A5

 

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Butt he was on a roll ohmy.giflaugh.giflaugh.gifcool.gif

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http://www.lavanguar...rica-s-cup.html

 

is an article about the transfer but its in spanish. The gist is what I mentioned at the start. Just adds that they are leaving their base at the end of the month. Seems the two issues are linked somehow? Anyway, they speak of great affection between Ernesto and themselves.

 

Then talks about how VLC is taking over ownership of the promoter of their F1 race.

 

Seems that the sports spectacle business is tough even in the mainline.

 

The rest is all standard Latin effusive greetings and congratulations.

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The rest is all standard Latin effusive greetings and congratulations.

one can not but admire the cheek of evil Ernie; as "prueba del afecto" he offloads a piece of debris, sort of like leaving my old broken car in front of your door and telling you that out of sympathy for you, you can have it, quite the win win situation :D

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The rest is all standard Latin effusive greetings and congratulations.

one can not but admire the cheek of evil Ernie; as "prueba del afecto" he offloads a piece of debris, sort of like leaving my old broken car in front of your door and telling you that out of sympathy for you, you can have it, quite the win win situation :D

 

Agreed. If my sarcasm wasn't evident, you illustrate it perfectly.

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I think this is a nice gesture from good old EB. As much as poor Rita Barbie Doll, and the city of VLC, were jerked around during the AC33 shit fight, this seems like the least EB could do. A5 is an impressive boat regardless of its record on the water. And here is hoping the donation, and placement, of A5 somewhere in VLC will help ensure that fabulously built harbor stays an epicenter for high performance sail boat racing, instead of turning it back into a commericial fishing port. For me, without the AC I had no desire to visit VLC anytime soon. Now considering A5 will be on display, that has changed. IMO, thats a good thing.

 

And I know it has probably zero chance of happening, but if Uncle Larry has a decent bone in his body, once AC34 is over, he should donate USA-17 to VLC as well. Both boats on display where their historic race took place would be fabulous on a number of levels.

 

WetHog :ph34r:

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Kia ora Rita,

 

Merry Xmas.

 

Alright, about the A5.

 

Put it in the park down by the Hotel Neptune. Behind the Veles A Vents building.

Your know the place. Where the spare IACC boats were stored during the 2007 festivities.

 

A5 was the loser boat.

 

But who cares? The AC45s are the little brothers of A5.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Cheers, TK

 

Don't remember a wing on A5

 

post-1447-016552900 1325056546_thumb.jpg

 

 

 

There was two cats I think, one with and one without a wing.

I think they knew that the soft-sail cat was fast enough even without the wing so they went for the cat with greater reliability to guarantee themselves the win.

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I think this is a nice gesture from good old EB. As much as poor Rita Barbie Doll, and the city of VLC, were jerked around during the AC33 shit fight, this seems like the least EB could do. A5 is an impressive boat regardless of its record on the water. And here is hoping the donation, and placement, of A5 somewhere in VLC will help ensure that fabulously built harbor stays an epicenter for high performance sail boat racing, instead of turning it back into a commericial fishing port. For me, without the AC I had no desire to visit VLC anytime soon. Now considering A5 will be on display, that has changed. IMO, thats a good thing.

 

And I know it has probably zero chance of happening, but if Uncle Larry has a decent bone in his body, once AC34 is over, he should donate USA-17 to VLC as well. Both boats on display where their historic race took place would be fabulous on a number of levels.

WetHog :ph34r:

 

DZ on display in SF Bay area (in the city 1st) or the Smithsonian would be better :-) or so many levels..including getting young people re/interested in technology and/or sailing

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I think this is a nice gesture from good old EB. As much as poor Rita Barbie Doll, and the city of VLC, were jerked around during the AC33 shit fight, this seems like the least EB could do. A5 is an impressive boat regardless of its record on the water. And here is hoping the donation, and placement, of A5 somewhere in VLC will help ensure that fabulously built harbor stays an epicenter for high performance sail boat racing, instead of turning it back into a commericial fishing port. For me, without the AC I had no desire to visit VLC anytime soon. Now considering A5 will be on display, that has changed. IMO, thats a good thing.

 

And I know it has probably zero chance of happening, but if Uncle Larry has a decent bone in his body, once AC34 is over, he should donate USA-17 to VLC as well. Both boats on display where their historic race took place would be fabulous on a number of levels.

 

WetHog :ph34r:

 

Last I heard USA 17 was going to be put on pubic display in SF, on one of the piers. Pier 39 was a candidate at one time, but that may have changed. The wing was slated to be on display at a separate SF location - possibly SFO, which would make a nice banner for those traveling to SF for AC34.

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I think this is a nice gesture from good old EB. As much as poor Rita Barbie Doll, and the city of VLC, were jerked around during the AC33 shit fight, this seems like the least EB could do. A5 is an impressive boat regardless of its record on the water. And here is hoping the donation, and placement, of A5 somewhere in VLC will help ensure that fabulously built harbor stays an epicenter for high performance sail boat racing, instead of turning it back into a commericial fishing port. For me, without the AC I had no desire to visit VLC anytime soon. Now considering A5 will be on display, that has changed. IMO, thats a good thing.

 

And I know it has probably zero chance of happening, but if Uncle Larry has a decent bone in his body, once AC34 is over, he should donate USA-17 to VLC as well. Both boats on display where their historic race took place would be fabulous on a number of levels.

 

WetHog :ph34r:

 

Last I heard USA 17 was going to be put on pubic display in SF, on one of the piers. Pier 39 was a candidate at one time, but that may have changed. The wing was slated to be on display at a separate SF location - possibly SFO, which would make a nice banner for those traveling to SF for AC34.

 

USA-17 needs to be preserved at the ready to defend or make a DoG Challenge should the need arise

 

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the last DOG monohull

 

that lost to connors cat

 

is a monument to loss

 

I think I'd differ a bit here. KZ1 did indeed lose, and was in fact stored without fanfare for many years. After NZ's success with the AC, she was brought to her current perch in the Viaduct as a symbol of the beginning of their quest. My opinion is that she looks nice, if a bit neglected on her perch. But the symbolism of the installation has nothing to do with losing, or even the legal battle, but rather with "discovery" and the quest for the cup which is the whole purpose of the museum right in front. Even the plaque is very short on the controversy, and long on the quest for the cup.

 

A5 I think would have I think a much harder case to make for its place in Valencia. I suppose it would be a monument to Valencia's pursuit of the business of the AC. But to me, it would essentially be like a former F1 participant car being displayed at the Casino in Monte Carlo. Very interesting fast object, but not interesting in the same way KZ1 is in Auckland.

 

Just my opinion.

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Kia ora Rita,

 

Merry Xmas.

 

Alright, about the A5.

 

Put it in the park down by the Hotel Neptune. Behind the Veles A Vents building.

Your know the place. Where the spare IACC boats were stored during the 2007 festivities.

 

A5 was the loser boat.

 

But who cares? The AC45s are the little brothers of A5.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Cheers, TK

 

Don't remember a wing on A5

 

post-1447-016552900 1325056546_thumb.jpg

 

 

 

There was two cats I think, one with and one without a wing.

I think they knew that the soft-sail cat was fast enough even without the wing so they went for the cat with greater reliability to guarantee themselves the win.

 

Cool. Maybe he can donate the 2nd one to a maritime museum. Is there one in Geneva like this?

 

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Kia ora Rita,

 

Merry Xmas.

 

Alright, about the A5.

 

Put it in the park down by the Hotel Neptune. Behind the Veles A Vents building.

Your know the place. Where the spare IACC boats were stored during the 2007 festivities.

 

A5 was the loser boat.

 

But who cares? The AC45s are the little brothers of A5.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Cheers, TK

 

Don't remember a wing on A5

 

post-1447-016552900 1325056546_thumb.jpg

 

 

 

There was two cats I think, one with and one without a wing.

I think they knew that the soft-sail cat was fast enough even without the wing so they went for the cat with greater reliability to guarantee themselves the win.

 

The soft sail was the safe bet, the wing was faster but riskier if something happened as they only had the one, a capsizee and it was over. DC wanted to make sure they were faster so went with the riskier option.

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MSP, ding ding ding. 830 pm west coast time again.

 

Still got nothing to add?? Have you checked???

 

It's going to be exciiiiiting!

 

The pinot's kicked in..spinbots trolling in the wrong thread..

Did I ever mention you used to be so much better than this...

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MSP, ding ding ding. 830 pm west coast time again.

 

Still got nothing to add?? Have you checked???

 

It's going to be exciiiiiting!

 

The pinot's kicked in..spinbots trolling in the wrong thread..

Did I ever mention you used to be so much better than this...

Are you volunteering to finally do or post something useful?

 

;)

 

MSP keeps promising too, another heartbreaker.

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I gotta say, living just a couple of km from the Viaduct ... KZ1 is just an eyesore. It's not being maintained, it's covered in rust stains and the paint is peeling. Auckland could do much, much better ...

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I gotta say, living just a couple of km from the Viaduct ... KZ1 is just an eyesore. It's not being maintained, it's covered in rust stains and the paint is peeling. Auckland could do much, much better ...

 

 

It ain't that bad.

 

And draws a ton of attention to the Voyager museum.

 

The boat does not rust.

 

When you see Len Brown ask that the stand be painted.

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MSP, ding ding ding. 830 pm west coast time again.

 

Still got nothing to add?? Have you checked???

 

It's going to be exciiiiiting!

 

The pinot's kicked in..spinbots trolling in the wrong thread..

Did I ever mention you used to be so much better than this...

 

Well the idiocy has never kicked out with your posts.

 

Maybe we'll have a response any second now, or maybe not...

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MSP, ding ding ding. 830 pm west coast time again.

 

Still got nothing to add?? Have you checked???

 

It's going to be exciiiiiting!

 

The pinot's kicked in..spinbots trolling in the wrong thread..

Did I ever mention you used to be so much better than this...

Are you volunteering to finally do or post something useful?

 

;)

 

MSP keeps promising too, another heartbreaker.

 

You have all the help you need with partner ubertroll..

The crazed indian has got you trolling in multiple threads like your nuts are on fire..

.

Fun to watch but really ....pathetic..

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Plymouth watches £100million super yacht set out on sea trials

trusted-contributor-png8.png Monday, February 20, 2012 The_Plymouth_Herald_small.jpg Plymouth Herald

 

Follow A STUNNING £100million super yacht was spotted gracing waters off Plymouth during yesterday's sunshine.

 

The spectacular six-deck 'Vava II' is the largest private motor yacht ever to have been constructed in Britain.

 

  1. 3554268.png

The 96-metre-long vessel set off on a sea trials voyage from Devonport Dockyard yesterday afternoon.

 

Much of its construction has been top secret, but the yacht is scheduled to be handed over to its new owner later this month.

 

It is understood to have been commissioned by Swiss pharmaceutical magnate and two-time America's Cup winner Ernesto Bertarelli.

 

There were more than 20 people on board when visitors to Plymouth's waterfront caught a glimpse of Vava II cutting elegantly through the Sound yesterday.

 

Originally dubbed simply 'Project 55', the vessel was christened at the dockyard in September, where about 200 workers have been involved in its two-year construction.

 

The hull was built in Appledore, in North Devon, exteriors styled by Hampshire-based yacht design firm Redman Whitely Dixon and interiors designed by the renowned Remi Tessier.

 

But the engineering was all carried out in Plymouth, by workers employed by Devonport Royal Dockyard Limited.

 

The contract had remained with that firm when the luxury yacht brand Devonport Yachts was acquired from Devonport dockyard operator Babcock by Falmouth-based Pendennis Shipyard in February in 2010.

 

The vessel, equipped with helicopter landing capabilities and four tenders, is expected to set a new standard in the charter market.

 

 

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Plymouth watches £100million super yacht set out on sea trials

trusted-contributor-png8.png Monday, February 20, 2012 The_Plymouth_Herald_small.jpg Plymouth Herald

 

Follow A STUNNING £100million super yacht was spotted gracing waters off Plymouth during yesterday's sunshine.

 

The spectacular six-deck 'Vava II' is the largest private motor yacht ever to have been constructed in Britain.

 

  1. 3554268.png

The 96-metre-long vessel set off on a sea trials voyage from Devonport Dockyard yesterday afternoon.

 

Much of its construction has been top secret, but the yacht is scheduled to be handed over to its new owner later this month.

 

It is understood to have been commissioned by Swiss pharmaceutical magnate and two-time America's Cup winner Ernesto Bertarelli.

 

There were more than 20 people on board when visitors to Plymouth's waterfront caught a glimpse of Vava II cutting elegantly through the Sound yesterday.

 

Originally dubbed simply 'Project 55', the vessel was christened at the dockyard in September, where about 200 workers have been involved in its two-year construction.

 

The hull was built in Appledore, in North Devon, exteriors styled by Hampshire-based yacht design firm Redman Whitely Dixon and interiors designed by the renowned Remi Tessier.

 

But the engineering was all carried out in Plymouth, by workers employed by Devonport Royal Dockyard Limited.

 

The contract had remained with that firm when the luxury yacht brand Devonport Yachts was acquired from Devonport dockyard operator Babcock by Falmouth-based Pendennis Shipyard in February in 2010.

 

The vessel, equipped with helicopter landing capabilities and four tenders, is expected to set a new standard in the charter market.

 

Nice looking boat there . I can see his thought process now. " lets see do I want to spend 100 mill on a decent AC attempt or build this ? " . Good choice Ernie .

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Plymouth watches £100million super yacht set out on sea trials

trusted-contributor-png8.png Monday, February 20, 2012 The_Plymouth_Herald_small.jpg Plymouth Herald

 

Follow A STUNNING £100million super yacht was spotted gracing waters off Plymouth during yesterday's sunshine.

 

The spectacular six-deck 'Vava II' is the largest private motor yacht ever to have been constructed in Britain.

 

  1. 3554268.png

The 96-metre-long vessel set off on a sea trials voyage from Devonport Dockyard yesterday afternoon.

 

Much of its construction has been top secret, but the yacht is scheduled to be handed over to its new owner later this month.

 

It is understood to have been commissioned by Swiss pharmaceutical magnate and two-time America's Cup winner Ernesto Bertarelli.

 

There were more than 20 people on board when visitors to Plymouth's waterfront caught a glimpse of Vava II cutting elegantly through the Sound yesterday.

 

Originally dubbed simply 'Project 55', the vessel was christened at the dockyard in September, where about 200 workers have been involved in its two-year construction.

 

The hull was built in Appledore, in North Devon, exteriors styled by Hampshire-based yacht design firm Redman Whitely Dixon and interiors designed by the renowned Remi Tessier.

 

But the engineering was all carried out in Plymouth, by workers employed by Devonport Royal Dockyard Limited.

 

The contract had remained with that firm when the luxury yacht brand Devonport Yachts was acquired from Devonport dockyard operator Babcock by Falmouth-based Pendennis Shipyard in February in 2010.

 

The vessel, equipped with helicopter landing capabilities and four tenders, is expected to set a new standard in the charter market.

 

Nice looking boat there . I can see his thought process now. " lets see do I want to spend 100 mill on a decent AC attempt or build this ? " . Good choice Ernie .

 

Especially after his AC33 debacle. Not too hard a decision.

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Plymouth watches £100million super yacht set out on sea trials

trusted-contributor-png8.png Monday, February 20, 2012 The_Plymouth_Herald_small.jpg Plymouth Herald

 

Follow A STUNNING £100million super yacht was spotted gracing waters off Plymouth during yesterday's sunshine.

 

The spectacular six-deck 'Vava II' is the largest private motor yacht ever to have been constructed in Britain.

 

  1. 3554268.png

The 96-metre-long vessel set off on a sea trials voyage from Devonport Dockyard yesterday afternoon.

 

Much of its construction has been top secret, but the yacht is scheduled to be handed over to its new owner later this month.

 

It is understood to have been commissioned by Swiss pharmaceutical magnate and two-time America's Cup winner Ernesto Bertarelli.

 

There were more than 20 people on board when visitors to Plymouth's waterfront caught a glimpse of Vava II cutting elegantly through the Sound yesterday.

 

Originally dubbed simply 'Project 55', the vessel was christened at the dockyard in September, where about 200 workers have been involved in its two-year construction.

 

The hull was built in Appledore, in North Devon, exteriors styled by Hampshire-based yacht design firm Redman Whitely Dixon and interiors designed by the renowned Remi Tessier.

 

But the engineering was all carried out in Plymouth, by workers employed by Devonport Royal Dockyard Limited.

 

The contract had remained with that firm when the luxury yacht brand Devonport Yachts was acquired from Devonport dockyard operator Babcock by Falmouth-based Pendennis Shipyard in February in 2010.

 

The vessel, equipped with helicopter landing capabilities and four tenders, is expected to set a new standard in the charter market.

 

Nice looking boat there . I can see his thought process now. " lets see do I want to spend 100 mill on a decent AC attempt or build this ? " . Good choice Ernie .

 

Especially after his AC33 debacle. Not too hard a decision.

 

Actually as i look at the time table now this boat was started well before AC33 was even raced . He had both projects going at the same time . Evil Ernie has some serious coin but I guess we knew that .

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Thanks Ernie,

 

Will enjoy seeing it, quite a stunning exercise in engineering too, must have taken one hell of an effort.

 

Not that building or designing a boat like A5 will be appreciated here....

 

ONYA :D

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A5 never left VLC. She has been in storage there since AC33.

 

In spite of losing, she is one cool boat. Doubt she will ever sail again... She and USA17 are a bit like Shamrock III and Reliance from 1903 - spectacular but not very practical for anything other than an AC Match. Of course, being good for an AC Match is quite an impressive quality for a yacht...

 

Yep, I saw A5 in Lausanne on 1 August (Switzerland National Day) up close ( I had a chance to touch it) and it is absolutely gorgeous. the first thing you saw was the mast from absolutely miles away, it was that huge.

Yes, if Oracle had not had the audacity to build a wing, it would have been a really interesting match and lets face it, it was the wing that made DZ awesome, the rest was just butt ugly, whereas A5 is overall breathtaking.

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A5 never left VLC. She has been in storage there since AC33.

 

In spite of losing, she is one cool boat. Doubt she will ever sail again... She and USA17 are a bit like Shamrock III and Reliance from 1903 - spectacular but not very practical for anything other than an AC Match. Of course, being good for an AC Match is quite an impressive quality for a yacht...

 

Yep, I saw A5 in Lausanne on 1 August (Switzerland National Day) up close ( I had a chance to touch it) and it is absolutely gorgeous. the first thing you saw was the mast from absolutely miles away, it was that huge.

Yes, if Oracle had not had the audacity to build a wing, it would have been a really interesting match and lets face it, it was the wing that made DZ awesome, the rest was just butt ugly, whereas A5 is overall breathtaking.

Was it the design or the Starsky and Hutch paint job ?

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