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How long should this take on a 5 knot shitbox?

 

Through the C+D up into LIS

 

Without stopping at a casino or Shrewsbury River titty bar?

(Might stop at City Island YC if its 2 protein buffet night)

 

Any tips?

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How long should this take on a 5 knot shitbox?

 

Through the C+D up into LIS

 

Without stopping at a casino or Shrewsbury River titty bar?

(Might stop at City Island YC if its 2 protein buffet night)

 

Any tips?

 

Delaware Bay sucks. Mind the current.

 

Also, make sure you can get through the Cape May canal, cuts a lot of time off.

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1 long day sail - Annapolis to Chesapeake City.

1 long day sail - Chesapeake City to Cape May.

1 overnight Cape May to New York.

Next day you are in the western end of LIS.

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1 long day sail - Annapolis to Chesapeake City.

1 long day sail - Chesapeake City to Cape May.

1 overnight Cape May to New York.

Next day you are in the western end of LIS.

 

What he said. BUT, wait at Sandy Hook (or thereabouts), if necessary, to time the tide just right to carry you all the way to Hell Gate, through Hell Gate, and into LIS.

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Going straight through, no stopping, I have done a delivery from Stamford to Annapolis (not going through the Cape May Canal) in about 40 hours.

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Going through Hell's Gate against the tide on a hot windless July day kind of sucks. People walking on shore will pass you.

 

Not that I actually did that.........cough cough...........just read about it :rolleyes:

 

Also time the tide for the Delaware.

 

1 long day sail - Annapolis to Chesapeake City.

1 long day sail - Chesapeake City to Cape May.

1 overnight Cape May to New York.

Next day you are in the western end of LIS.

 

What he said. BUT, wait at Sandy Hook (or thereabouts), if necessary, to time the tide just right to carry you all the way to Hell Gate, through Hell Gate, and into LIS.

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If I were going to a location at the eastern end of the LIS (e.g. New London, Niantic, Mystic, Noank) I would consider Cape May to Montaulk-- but you would need a decent 2-day weather window. I would plan to overnight at either Lake Montaulk or Block Island.

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How long should this take on a 5 knot shitbox?

 

Through the C+D up into LIS

 

Without stopping at a casino or Shrewsbury River titty bar?

(Might stop at City Island YC if its 2 protein buffet night)

 

Any tips?

 

When are you looking to do this?

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That can be a nice sail. If I had crew for 24/7 sailing, I wouldn't go through LIS either just to get to the other end. Weather permitting of course.

 

If I were going to a location at the eastern end of the LIS (e.g. New London, Niantic, Mystic, Noank) I would consider Cape May to Montaulk-- but you would need a decent 2-day weather window. I would plan to overnight at either Lake Montaulk or Block Island.

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How long should this take on a 5 knot shitbox?

 

Through the C+D up into LIS

 

Without stopping at a casino or Shrewsbury River titty bar?

(Might stop at City Island YC if its 2 protein buffet night)

 

Any tips?

 

When are you looking to do this?

Thanks

 

Ahh probably about Easter-ish.

 

More interested in the Ches - Delaware bits I havent been through that canal.

I know the rest of it. Thinking if not 24/7 all the way, maybe one weekend to Cape May and

then the rest a following weekend. depending on crew avails, etc.

 

Montaulk route is fine for a summer cruise / adventure but much longer and colder for an April delivery. And dont fancy finding myself beating into a 20 knot westerly for 50-60 miles through LIS to finish the trip.

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Annapolis to the C&D can be a very nice trip.

The C&D itself is interesting, but you have to motor. It is *illegal* to sail through there. It isn't tricky, but the current can be strong and if you screw up and somehow get disabled in mid-channel that oncoming tanker WILL hit you. When I was a kid we were rowing across to the Canal House from Chesapeake City when a big freighter came around the corner and layed on the horn. GREAT motivation to row faster :o

 

Now for the Delaware...............

It really really really sucks. And blows too.

Everyone hates it! It is shallow and can build up a truly nasty short chop. Shipping traffic is heavy and confusing at night. There is no really good place to stop part way. The best thing is to hang at the C&D until tide and wind look good. Bashing down into a headwind is a hate mission and should only be done for a race (BTDT) or a time-limited delivery (BTDT too). The Cape May canal can be tricky too. I'll run aground at low tide and hit the bridge at high tide. At mid tide the VHF antenna just tickles the bridge. When it doubt, take her out and go in the inlet entrance or just keep going.

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We are doing a similar trip the very end of April to Newport. One day into the C&D. One day to Cape May. Then straight across to Block Island with a good weather window.

Seems like a pretty straightforward trip.

 

How long should this take on a 5 knot shitbox?

 

Through the C+D up into LIS

 

Without stopping at a casino or Shrewsbury River titty bar?

(Might stop at City Island YC if its 2 protein buffet night)

 

Any tips?

 

When are you looking to do this?

Thanks

 

Ahh probably about Easter-ish.

 

More interested in the Ches - Delaware bits I havent been through that canal.

I know the rest of it. Thinking if not 24/7 all the way, maybe one weekend to Cape May and

then the rest a following weekend. depending on crew avails, etc.

 

Montaulk route is fine for a summer cruise / adventure but much longer and colder for an April delivery. And dont fancy finding myself beating into a 20 knot westerly for 50-60 miles through LIS to finish the trip.

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Don't worry about the current in Hell Gate or The East River. In a foul tide, hug lower Manhattan, like 50-75 feet off the bulkhead, then jump over to Roosevelt Island, stay 100-125 feet off the bulkhead, then at Mills Rock get right along Ward's Island, like 50 feet off the shoreline. You will have to buck it in between The Brothers but once clear of Riker's Island you want to get up along the Bronx side. If you look at the current lines you can see just where/how far in you need to go. If you do this you can get into a great deal of eddies and really minimize the bad effects of the current.

 

Be wary of the stated height of The Cape May Bridge.

 

In Delaware Bay in an ebb and south or southeast breeze, is a bit lumpy. Channel is narrow but in a foul tide you can work your way along the sides of the ship channel to escape current.

 

C&D is just like The Cape Cod Canal, only different.

 

I have always planned to make the trip in a one shot deal. Although I once had to spend a night in Cape May because of conditions offshore.

Also be wary of trying to get into any of the inlets along Jersey. They can be rather nasty in sour conditions.

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Don't worry about the current in Hell Gate or The East River. In a foul tide, hug lower Manhattan, like 50-75 feet off the bulkhead, then jump over to Roosevelt Island, stay 100-125 feet off the bulkhead, then at Mills Rock get right along Ward's Island, like 50 feet off the shoreline. You will have to buck it in between The Brothers but once clear of Riker's Island you want to get up along the Bronx side. If you look at the current lines you can see just where/how far in you need to go. If you do this you can get into a great deal of eddies and really minimize the bad effects of the current.

 

Be wary of the stated height of The Cape May Bridge.

 

In Delaware Bay in an ebb and south or southeast breeze, is a bit lumpy. Channel is narrow but in a foul tide you can work your way along the sides of the ship channel to escape current.

 

C&D is just like The Cape Cod Canal, only different.

 

I have always planned to make the trip in a one shot deal. Although I once had to spend a night in Cape May because of conditions offshore.

Also be wary of trying to get into any of the inlets along Jersey. They can be rather nasty in sour conditions.

 

I basically took a vow never to set foot on new jersey unless its a life saving situation, or to get thru an airport.

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I basically took a vow never to set foot on new jersey unless its a life saving situation, or to get thru an airport.

 

In my case, the vow was about Long Island.

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What kind of boat is this? You have crew? Or family? French Toast Girl?

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38 hours from Glen Island to Annapolis, timed the currents down the East River and up into the Bay and through the Canal perfectly and wind was on our side of the equation-Cape May canal is very small and wouldn't accomodate a Bene 36.7 and cutting it tight around the tip of the cape was pretty effortless. Guys from Larchmont left about 1/2 hour after us and didn't push it to make the current changes like we did and showed up in Annapolis 8 hours after we did.

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What kind of boat is this? You have crew? Or family? French Toast Girl?

 

Its a friend looking at a 30 footer evaluating options trucking, rigging_derigging, pro delivery, or

couple of pals helping on an adventure. We have some maps and I;m told the boat has new

ropes and stuff. Its got a good kitchen so we can have hot food.

 

I didnt even know there was a Cape May canal. Its not on our map.

 

But the Macgregors owners forum has alot of info.

 

http://forums.macgregor.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=62361

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38 hours from Glen Island to Annapolis, timed the currents down the East River and up into the Bay and through the Canal perfectly and wind was on our side of the equation-Cape May canal is very small and wouldn't accomodate a Bene 36.7 and cutting it tight around the tip of the cape was pretty effortless. Guys from Larchmont left about 1/2 hour after us and didn't push it to make the current changes like we did and showed up in Annapolis 8 hours after we did.

 

Wowe. Thnaks.

It soundz lik u had a famousse navigattor withe yuu! :)

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38 hours from Glen Island to Annapolis, timed the currents down the East River and up into the Bay and through the Canal perfectly and wind was on our side of the equation-Cape May canal is very small and wouldn't accomodate a Bene 36.7 and cutting it tight around the tip of the cape was pretty effortless. Guys from Larchmont left about 1/2 hour after us and didn't push it to make the current changes like we did and showed up in Annapolis 8 hours after we did.

 

Wowe. Thnaks.

It soundz lik u had a famousse navigattor withe yuu! :)

Snaggy?

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38 hours from Glen Island to Annapolis, timed the currents down the East River and up into the Bay and through the Canal perfectly and wind was on our side of the equation-Cape May canal is very small and wouldn't accomodate a Bene 36.7 and cutting it tight around the tip of the cape was pretty effortless. Guys from Larchmont left about 1/2 hour after us and didn't push it to make the current changes like we did and showed up in Annapolis 8 hours after we did.

 

Wowe. Thnaks.

It soundz lik u had a famousse navigattor withe yuu! :)

 

No, he was home working on his french toast recipe

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Don't overthink this. I could do this trip in my dinghy if I had to. There are enough places to stop that you can avoid really nasty weather with a bit of planning and minimal attention to the VHF.

 

True story. The "skipper" of a 65 foot mega-mansion monstrostiy asks us if we are headed to Cape May. We say yes. He asks us if we mind him following us. Seems his "map" isn't all that clear and all this boating and navigtion stuff is pretty new to him :o We told him we'd be doing about 6 knots, but he was welcome to follow us if he could stand to go that slow. It was really tempting to take off for the Azores or something and ask if he could see New Jersey after a few days :lol:

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The MacGregor owners forum suggested transitng Cape May canal in reverse (can easily to 7-8 knots cause the flat aft planing hull design section lifts the trasom in reverse and plenty of horsepower) this way you can transition to forward quickly and easily to avoid ferries and other commercial traffic. makes sense

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How long should this take on a 5 knot shitbox?

 

Through the C+D up into LIS

 

Without stopping at a casino or Shrewsbury River titty bar?

(Might stop at City Island YC if its 2 protein buffet night)

 

Any tips?

 

When are you looking to do this?

Thanks

 

Ahh probably about Easter-ish.

 

More interested in the Ches - Delaware bits I havent been through that canal.

I know the rest of it. Thinking if not 24/7 all the way, maybe one weekend to Cape May and

then the rest a following weekend. depending on crew avails, etc.

 

Montaulk route is fine for a summer cruise / adventure but much longer and colder for an April delivery. And dont fancy finding myself beating into a 20 knot westerly for 50-60 miles through LIS to finish the trip.

 

What boat did you buy?

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How long should this take on a 5 knot shitbox?

 

Through the C+D up into LIS

 

Without stopping at a casino or Shrewsbury River titty bar?

(Might stop at City Island YC if its 2 protein buffet night)

 

Any tips?

 

When are you looking to do this?

Thanks

 

Ahh probably about Easter-ish.

 

More interested in the Ches - Delaware bits I havent been through that canal.

I know the rest of it. Thinking if not 24/7 all the way, maybe one weekend to Cape May and

then the rest a following weekend. depending on crew avails, etc.

 

Montaulk route is fine for a summer cruise / adventure but much longer and colder for an April delivery. And dont fancy finding myself beating into a 20 knot westerly for 50-60 miles through LIS to finish the trip.

 

What boat did you buy?

Mr. Left Hook.

I would expect a college boy like you to have better reading comprehension skills.

I clearly said a friend's potential boat. Not mine to divulge details.

Now that you and The Shadow are in the same thread I expect some good fireworks. The

least you can do is entertain us! Now fuck off to your studying. I will advise you

in due course. It does not rhyme with BONE. If it did I would suggest filling it with cement

and converting it to a mooring anchor for a proper yacht.

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Rhymes with Bone?

My God Moondance, you have purchased The Cone of Silence? Have you lost your mind man?

(This is how rumors get started)

 

And please don't pick on Barf-Bitch.....he is sensitive you know.

 

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My God Moondance, you have purchased The Cone of Silence? Have you lost your mind man?

(This is how rumors get started)

 

And please don't pick on Barf-Bitch.....he is sensitive you know.

 

 

No way- fun but a one trick pony. Dont know which boat was more of a failure. Come or Rambler 100. Or Titanic.

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My God Moondance, you have purchased The Cone of Silence? Have you lost your mind man?

(This is how rumors get started)

 

And please don't pick on Barf-Bitch.....he is sensitive you know.

 

 

The Cone is sitting in a heated tent at NEB. In fact I was poking around her a few months ago. Truly legendary looking but the poor old girl is looking a little tired and needs a deck job badly. That said it's great to hear M44 has bought her and will be putting her into racing condition. That boat will be perfect for all of the heavy air running we do on Western LIS!!

 

And M44... you said a "Friends" potential boat. That's like going to a doctor and saying "uhhh my 'friend' has these sores on his penis and I... I mean he... was wondering if you could give me... uhhh him... anything for it...?".

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Either that or he's trying to hide the fact that he's helping a friend deliver a Mac 26X.

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My God Moondance, you have purchased The Cone of Silence? Have you lost your mind man?

(This is how rumors get started)

 

And please don't pick on Barf-Bitch.....he is sensitive you know.

 

 

The Cone is sitting in a heated tent at NEB. In fact I was poking around her a few months ago. Truly legendary looking but the poor old girl is looking a little tired and needs a deck job badly. That said it's great to hear M44 has bought her and will be putting her into racing condition. That boat will be perfect for all of the heavy air running we do on Western LIS!!

 

And M44... you said a "Friends" potential boat. That's like going to a doctor and saying "uhhh my 'friend' has these sores on his penis and I... I mean he... was wondering if you could give me... uhhh him... anything for it...?".

 

 

nah. some of us actually have friends

And what would you know about a penis? nevermind - dont answer that.

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That's like going to a doctor and saying "uhhh my 'friend' has these sores on his penis and I... I mean he... was wondering if you could give me... uhhh him... anything for it...?".

Sounds like a personal problem Barf-Bitch.

I didn't realize you could get a STD from self gratification.

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The MacGregor owners forum suggested transitng Cape May canal in reverse (can easily to 7-8 knots cause the flat aft planing hull design section lifts the trasom in reverse and plenty of horsepower) this way you can transition to forward quickly and easily to avoid ferries and other commercial traffic. makes sense

 

Some good info in this thread... too bad the above and STD quasi-insults did a hijack.... SA at it's best

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It is a broad based approach to education. Not just the answer to the question(s) asked, but the issues surrounding the question. Plus what fun would it be if a thread died an honorable death? Much more fun to have it devolve into the abyss.

 

BTW, Moon and myself do know Left Hook. He is a tadpole with much to learn in life. So while you may see this as some sort of quasi-insult, I can assure you to young wesley it is a full on insult sir!

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For planning your transit of Delaware Bay, let this diagram be your guide... you'll need a set of parallel rules, however - anyone out there who still knows what they are, or were used for? (grin)

 

delawarecurrents.jpg

 

 

At any rate, you'll get clobbered by the flood at some point, unless you do the bay in stages... As you can see, even at 12 knots it's just barely feasible to carry a fair tide all the way from the C&D Canal down to the Cape May...

 

NOAA use to publish these diagrams many years ago, I pulled this and others for NY Harbor, Chesapeake Bay, and Buzzards Bay out of their tidal Atlases perhaps 30 years ago... Have never seen one published anywhere since, can't imagine why they discontinued doing so, they're incredibly simple to use...

 

OTOH, by now there's probably some iPhone app out there that will provide the same info, maybe in my next life...

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I love her.

 

If she's cooking meals i dont care if it is upwind all the way!

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The best available current information is here: http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/currents12/

 

Leaving Annapolis to hit the Chesapeake end of the C&D at slack before flood I can carry favorable current to the mouth of the Delaware Bay as long as I can keep 6 - 6.5 kts through the water (not SOG).

 

If the boat won't clear the Cape May bridge and you want to stop I think Breakwater Bay at Cape Henlopen is much preferred to going out and around before going into Cape May.

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Thanks everyone. Even those deplorable souls that must hijjack a perfectly serious discussion. You disgust me!

 

Looks like this thing will happen now. A little weekend adventure in the Spring.

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For planning your transit of Delaware Bay, let this diagram be your guide... you'll need a set of parallel rules, however - anyone out there who still knows what they are, or were used for? (grin)

 

delawarecurrents.jpg

 

 

At any rate, you'll get clobbered by the flood at some point, unless you do the bay in stages... As you can see, even at 12 knots it's just barely feasible to carry a fair tide all the way from the C&D Canal down to the Cape May...

 

NOAA use to publish these diagrams many years ago, I pulled this and others for NY Harbor, Chesapeake Bay, and Buzzards Bay out of their tidal Atlases perhaps 30 years ago... Have never seen one published anywhere since, can't imagine why they discontinued doing so, they're incredibly simple to use...

 

OTOH, by now there's probably some iPhone app out there that will provide the same info, maybe in my next life...

Thanks. Thats interesting. Havent seen those diagrams before.

With som eJerry cans on board, a Mac26X should have no problem averaging 12+ knots!

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For planning your transit of Delaware Bay, let this diagram be your guide... you'll need a set of parallel rules, however - anyone out there who still knows what they are, or were used for? (grin)

 

delawarecurrents.jpg

 

 

At any rate, you'll get clobbered by the flood at some point, unless you do the bay in stages... As you can see, even at 12 knots it's just barely feasible to carry a fair tide all the way from the C&D Canal down to the Cape May...

 

NOAA use to publish these diagrams many years ago, I pulled this and others for NY Harbor, Chesapeake Bay, and Buzzards Bay out of their tidal Atlases perhaps 30 years ago... Have never seen one published anywhere since, can't imagine why they discontinued doing so, they're incredibly simple to use...

 

OTOH, by now there's probably some iPhone app out there that will provide the same info, maybe in my next life...

 

Mrgnstrn taught me how to make these tide charts. They're great for races down the Chesapeake. I also own, and know how to use a set parallel rulers. biggrin.gif

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For planning your transit of Delaware Bay, let this diagram be your guide... you'll need a set of parallel rules, however - anyone out there who still knows what they are, or were used for? (grin)

 

delawarecurrents.jpg

 

 

At any rate, you'll get clobbered by the flood at some point, unless you do the bay in stages... As you can see, even at 12 knots it's just barely feasible to carry a fair tide all the way from the C&D Canal down to the Cape May...

 

NOAA use to publish these diagrams many years ago, I pulled this and others for NY Harbor, Chesapeake Bay, and Buzzards Bay out of their tidal Atlases perhaps 30 years ago... Have never seen one published anywhere since, can't imagine why they discontinued doing so, they're incredibly simple to use...

 

OTOH, by now there's probably some iPhone app out there that will provide the same info, maybe in my next life...

 

Mrgnstrn taught me how to make these tide charts. They're great for races down the Chesapeake. I also own, and know how to use a set parallel rulers. biggrin.gif

 

I have a set of unparallel rulers and they are way more challenging to use.

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I have two pair that are made of monel. Seriously. Beautiful works of art.....but I still use the Lucite ones!

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The MacGregor owners forum suggested transitng Cape May canal in reverse (can easily to 7-8 knots cause the flat aft planing hull design section lifts the trasom in reverse and plenty of horsepower) this way you can transition to forward quickly and easily to avoid ferries and other commercial traffic. makes sense

 

 

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