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Kev, I assume you're talking about Wooster Mtn. 25 mins from my front door.

 

Or he could just continue to get laid and save all this stuff for when he's old as a sabre tooth like you guys.

 

This honestly made me laugh.

 

Or he could just continue2 to get laid1...

 

Layered speculation.

 

 

 

Layer 2 - Weasley continues to get laid.

Layer 1 - Weasley has ever been laid.

 

Let's not cast aspersions unduly here - I'm certain that young Wes has succumbed to being cougar bait on at least a few occasions.

 

ON more than one occasion it's come very close. My teammates pulled me out of the line of fire before thing's got bad for me.

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Kev, I assume you're talking about Wooster Mtn. 25 mins from my front door.

 

Or he could just continue to get laid and save all this stuff for when he's old as a sabre tooth like you guys.

 

This honestly made me laugh.

 

Or he could just continue2 to get laid1...

 

Layered speculation.

 

 

 

Layer 2 - Weasley continues to get laid.

Layer 1 - Weasley has ever been laid.

 

Let's not cast aspersions unduly here - I'm certain that young Wes has succumbed to being cougar bait on at least a few occasions.

 

ON more than one occasion it's come very close. My teammates pulled me out of the line of fire before thing's got bad for me.

 

Cougars need lovin too, dont knock it till you try it!

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Cougars need lovin too, dont knock it till you try it!

 

I was about to try it! Those bastards wouldn't let me go back to the hotel room with the two 40-ish year old blonde cougars with fake tits who were in Newport for a convention and wanted to relive their high school days.

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Cougars need lovin too, dont knock it till you try it!

 

I was about to try it! Those bastards wouldn't let me go back to the hotel room with the two 40-ish year old blonde cougars with fake tits who were in Newport for a convention and wanted to relive their high school days.

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"Dear Penthouse Forum... I never imagined this would happen to me..."

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Cougars need lovin too, dont knock it till you try it!

 

I was about to try it! Those bastards wouldn't let me go back to the hotel room with the two 40-ish year old blonde cougars with fake tits who were in Newport for a convention and wanted to relive their high school days.

 

And you knew they were fake tits how......?

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Cougars need lovin too, dont knock it till you try it!

 

I was about to try it! Those bastards wouldn't let me go back to the hotel room with the two 40-ish year old blonde cougars with fake tits who were in Newport for a convention and wanted to relive their high school days.

 

And you knew they were fake tits how......?

 

the better queston is: who's hotel room were they going to?

 

Kev, I assume you're talking about Wooster Mtn. 25 mins from my front door.

 

Yes but it may be too noisy there for you.

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Cougars need lovin too, dont knock it till you try it!

 

I was about to try it! Those bastards wouldn't let me go back to the hotel room with the two 40-ish year old blonde cougars with fake tits who were in Newport for a convention and wanted to relive their high school days.

 

And you knew they were fake tits how......?

 

They told me...?

 

M and T from medicated were the ones who had to spoil my fun.

 

 

the better queston is: who's hotel room were they going to?

 

Kev, I assume you're talking about Wooster Mtn. 25 mins from my front door.

 

Yes but it may be too noisy there for you.

 

Theirs... that they shared...

 

Okay, what are your suggestions then?

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Cougars need lovin too, dont knock it till you try it!

 

I was about to try it! Those bastards wouldn't let me go back to the hotel room with the two 40-ish year old blonde cougars with fake tits who were in Newport for a convention and wanted to relive their high school days.

 

And you knew they were fake tits how......?

 

 

Don't matter----fake boobs are still better than no boobs.....

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Don't matter----fake boobs are still better than no boobs.....

 

I concur...though they feel strange compared to the real thing......

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Don't matter----fake boobs are still better than no boobs.....

 

I concur...though they feel strange compared to the real thing......

 

We got used to them real quick in Cali.....given that they're all made up the road in Silicone Valley....

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manny porno and horrore filmes starte withe simlare scenariose.

"Dear Penthouse Forum... I never imagined this would happen to me..."

 

could also be the start of a Swan70 thread

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We got used to them real quick in Cali.....given that they're all made up the road in Silicone Valley....

 

No doubt...I've felt a lot of boobs over the years and still prefer the natural ones...the silicone ones feel like thawed freezer bags inside the boobs(some say they feel like bags of sand...that's not what they felt like to me) and the saline boobs feel super firm all over which isn't natural.

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Bitch, please! You should not expect a civil response to your opinion that a basic human right should be curtailed.

 

I was unaware that gun ownership is a basic human right.

 

Glad I could help.

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If I find my views changing as time goes on then I will behave accordingly. Consider everything, form an opinion and act (or don't act) accordingly.

 

Fair enough.

 

Allow me to share a thread-relevant story of my own "changing views".

 

I grew up in a completely anti-gun family. My dad was a vet who came home from WW-2 with his issued weapons, but threw them out (literally put them in the trash) when his first child was born, because he had decided they were "dangerous" all on their own. My mother - literally - taught me that being in the same room as a gun was inherently dangerous, as if it had the ability to jump off the shelf and start shooting babies all on its own. I grew up with *that* mindset, even to the point of asking to be put in a different middle-school when I was in Virginia, because I was so uncomfortable with the knowledge that the school I was assigned to had [gasp] a competitive rifle team.

 

Flash forward to 1989. Some idiot shoots up a schoolyard in CA with a semi-auto rifle. California knee-jerks its way into passing a law that banned the sale of "that scary-looking kind of rifle, you know, the kind that crazy guy used". Didn't phase me a bit. Guns were inherently bad, as far as I was concerned, and this just proved it.

 

Flast forward a little more to 1992. I'm happily living in a nice neighborhood in North Redondo Beach, barbecuing with some neighbors, when the neighborhood became (literally) a war zone. Seems that a bunch of people, unhappy with a jury's decision not to prosecute some LAPD cops for beating Rodney King, decided the appropriate response was to riot. In very short order three things happened: cops disappeared ("for their own protection"), everything in sight was looted and lit afire, and the local gangs took this as an opportunity to, well, take care of their own business.

 

So it became fairly hard to tell whether the gun-fights going on around me were rioters-vs.-shop-owners, or gang-vs.-gang. What was *instantly* clear, though, was that if any of them came into my house and threatened my family, I had absolutely no "say" in the matter. With a gun, I could have had a vote - without a gun, I'd be limited to doing whatever they told me to do. Including (if it came to that) watching them rape, torture or kill my young daughter. Would not have been able to do a thing to stop it.

 

Of course, in the interim, California had passed all sorts of laws to "protect the people". Except, that doesn't work so well when the gangs are roaming the streets, the cops are hiding under freeway overpasses, and there's a mandatory 15-day wait to buy a gun if you're a "good guy" with a clear record. There was, literally, a line all the way down the block from the sporting-goods store on Artesia, people desperately hoping to buy a gun (or ammo) with which to defend their homes and families. All were told "yes, you can buy a gun today, but you can't pick it up for 15 days".

 

My "views" changed considerably that day. I resolved that I would *never* again be in a position where my only choice would be to sit and watch while "the bad guy with the gun" does whatever he wants to do. I have absolutely no interest in getting in a shoot out, or being a vigilante, and I hope to God I never actually have to *use* a gun in defense of myself or others, but.... the simple truth is that if faced with a criminal intent on doing harm, a gun is the only way I have to convince him that *my* house and *my* family are not where he wants to spend his time.

 

My [then]-wife ridiculed my new interest, using many of the same arguments you've posted. I took up "shooting competitions" as a way of both justifying my hobby and, frankly, building my skills and familiarity with an object I had held in such comtempt over the years. I've been actively competing for 20 years now, and every time I pull the trigger I am acutely aware that I am holding "lethal force", which can be used for good or evil. I am not unclear on the fact that *I* - not the gun - am the deciding factor in that question. That knowledge inhabits my thinking about what I own, how I store it and my "rights" to do so.

 

I have - since that time - moved out of California to a state where my "views" are more widely corroborated. Having a completely clean record, I not only have [way more than 3] guns but a permit to carry concealed. Which I would have railed against "back then", but makes perfect sense now. If you want to do a statistical exercise, compare the crime rates in cities with handgun bans, against the cities where concealed carry is allowed. You'll find a striking difference, which can ONLY be attributed to the fact that criminals are not fond of attacking people who may be legally armed.

 

So yeah, "views" can change. Mine certainly did. And I'll dig in *my* heels on this: nobody (including you) has ever made a convincing argument about how taking away guns from people like me - no matter how many I choose to own - makes society safer.

 

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Excellent! Best post of the thread!

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Can someone please give me the Cliff Notes for this thread?

You bet.....

 

Wes is a liberal east coast douche who is afraid of guns

(most) Aussies are pussies who are afraid of guns

According to them, guns are sentient and kill of their own accord and therefore must be banned

There are a few of us who believe in the constitution

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Hey give the east coast a break! Some of us are east coast douches without being liberal....

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Hey give the east coast a break! Some of us are east coast douches without being liberal....

 

I'll be the judge of that-----right after Celph is done visiting La Casa Mariachi....

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Wake up. Sorry to tell you, but here we discuss the USA, not Switzerland.

From a Reuters reporter:

There was evidence of a softer side of T.J. onhis Facebook page, which was taken down shortly after the shootings. In one photo, he's seated holding a large stuffed bear wearing a pink bib that says,"Be Mine."

 

But images from the page, captured and re-posted by The Huffington Post, also show another side of Lane. In one poem, posted in December, he takes on the voice of death, writing,

"His only company to confide in was the vermin in the street;

He longed for only one thing, the world to bow at his feet. …

Feel death, not just mocking you. Not just stalking you but inside of you.

Wriggle and writhe. Feelsmaller beneath my might.

Seizure in the pestilence that is my scythe.

Die, all of you."

Eisler,Toppo and Bello reported from Washington. Contributing: Gannett's WKYC-TV inCleveland, Associated Press

Pasted from <http://www.usatoday....lane/53309676/1>

 

 

 

Fatal Shootings at US High Schools

Since the 1992-93 academic year, there have been at least sevenshootings at U.S. middle and high schools in which three or more people died.

 

Feb. 27, 2012

 

Chardon High School in Chardon, Ohio

 

Casualties: 3 killed, 2 injured

 

Arrested: T.J. Lane, 17

 

Oct. 2, 2006

 

Amish schoolhouse in Nickel Mines, Pa.

 

Casualties: 6 killed, including suspect; 5 injured

 

Suspect: Charles Carl Roberts IV, 32, committed suicide

 

 

 

March 21, 2005

 

Red Lake High School in Red Lake, Minn.

 

Casualties: 10, including suspect; 5 injured

 

Suspect: Jeff Weise, 16, committed suicide

 

 

 

April 20, 1999

 

Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo.

 

Casualties: 15 including, the two suspects; 23 wounded

 

Suspects: Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, committedsuicide

 

 

 

March 24, 1998

 

Westside Middle School in Jonesboro, Ark.

 

Casualties: 5 killed; 10 wounded

 

Convicted: Andrew Golden, 11, and Mitchell Johnson, 13;sentenced to prison until age 21

 

 

 

Dec. 1, 1997

 

Heath High School in West Paducah, Ky.

 

Casualties: 3 killed; 5 wounded

 

Convicted: Michael Carneal, 14; sentenced to life in prison

 

 

 

Feb. 2, 1996

 

Frontier Junior High School in Moses Lake, Wash.

 

Casualties: 3 killed; 1 wounded

 

Convicted: Barry Loukaitis, 16; sentenced to life in prison

 

Reported by Lindsay Powers

 

Sources: National School SafetyCenter, Associated Press, Seattle Times

 

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Can someone please give me the Cliff Notes for this thread?

You bet.....

 

Wes is a liberal east coast douche who is afraid of guns

(most) Aussies are pussies who are afraid of guns

According to them, guns are sentient and kill of their own accord and therefore must be banned

There are a few of us who believe in the constitution

 

Not afraid of guns dickhead. Only dangerous wannabe Rambos like you that are allowed to have guns.

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Did I count that casualty list up correctly? 45 dead kids in 17 years? Wanna we take this over to Statistic Anarchy and practice our (tiny) fractions?....

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Did I count that casualty list up correctly? 45 dead kids in 17 years? Wanna we take this over to Statistic Anarchy and practice our (tiny) fractions?....

 

And in Australia in that time - ZERO kids killed at school.

 

There should not be ANY killed in school.

 

The fact that you consider that number as inconsequential is just plain disgusting. Nothing but contempt for you fuckwit Rambos and your guns. Pathetic!

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Can someone please give me the Cliff Notes for this thread?

You bet.....

 

Wes is a liberal east coast douche who is afraid of guns

(most) Aussies are pussies who are afraid of guns

According to them, guns are sentient and kill of their own accord and therefore must be banned

There are a few of us who believe in the constitution

 

 

I think there has been but 2 or 3 vociferous anti gun Aussie posters. That's a looooong way from "most"

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Did I count that casualty list up correctly? 45 dead kids in 17 years? Wanna we take this over to Statistic Anarchy and practice our (tiny) fractions?....

 

And in Australia in that time - ZERO kids killed at school.

 

There should not be ANY killed in school.

 

The fact that you consider that number as inconsequential is just plain disgusting. Nothing but contempt for you fuckwit Rambos and your guns. Pathetic!

 

Fwiw, The Nursetta just told me an hour ago that she thinks you're a total cunt. And 'Not the good Aussie kind.'

 

Direct quote, Juanita. What can I say, my daughter's a frickin genius....

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I only came for an argument.

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I don't think you're on your Pat there mate. :P

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barf-bitch getting laid. Now that is funny.

 

It is truly a wonder that you haven’t popped his cherry yet Shadow, given this man - boy love obsession you seem to have for the lad.

 

 

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Can someone please give me the Cliff Notes for this thread?

You bet.....

 

Wes is a liberal east coast douche who is afraid of guns

(most) Aussies are pussies who are afraid of guns

According to them, guns are sentient and kill of their own accord and therefore must be banned

There are a few of us who believe in the constitution macho US smokescreen/second amendment hooey.

 

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Did I count that casualty list up correctly? 45 dead kids in 17 years? Wanna we take this over to Statistic Anarchy and practice our (tiny) fractions?....

 

And in Australia in that time - ZERO kids killed at school.

 

There should not be ANY killed in school.

 

The fact that you consider that number as inconsequential is just plain disgusting. Nothing but contempt for you fuckwit Rambos and your guns. Pathetic!

 

Fwiw, The Nursetta just told me an hour ago that she thinks you're a total cunt. And 'Not the good Aussie kind.'

 

Direct quote, Juanita. What can I say, my daughter's a frickin genius....

 

With a father like you I'm not surprised she should pass judgement on someone she has never met, and that she can't tolerate people who have different views.

 

I don't call that genius - more like ignorant and intolerant. You're from the south aren't you? Redneck territory?

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With a father like you I'm not surprised she should pass judgement on someone she has never met, and that she can't tolerate people who have different views.

 

Same kind of father you had?

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With a father like you I'm not surprised she should pass judgement on someone she has never met, and that she can't tolerate people who have different views.

 

Same kind of father you had?

 

My father taught me sailing. NOT how to kill things. He knew what guns could do. He lost a brother in WW2.

 

My views that kids should be safe at school, and parents should be able to expect that their kids won't be murdered at school, are my own.

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Can someone please give me the Cliff Notes for this thread?

You bet.....

 

Wes is a liberal east coast douche who is afraid of guns

(most) Aussies are pussies who are afraid of guns

According to them, guns are sentient and kill of their own accord and therefore must be banned

There are a few of us who believe in the constitution macho US smokescreen/second amendment hooey.

 

 

 

 

Please, enlighten us to your take on what the 2nd Amendment is all about?

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Can someone please give me the Cliff Notes for this thread?

You bet.....

 

Wes is a liberal east coast douche who is afraid of guns

(most) Aussies are pussies who are afraid of guns

According to them, guns are sentient and kill of their own accord and therefore must be banned

There are a few of us who believe in the constitution macho US smokescreen.second amendment hooey.

 

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Don't like the 2nd, do ya? Wanna dictate your own morality & 'Progressiveness' upon 180 million responsible gun owners in America cuz they disagree with you & your ilk? Wow, I find that not only extremely unpatriotic, but close to treasonous. You should really be fuking ashamed of yourself. And quite honestly, I'm embarrassed that you live here....

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Can someone please give me the Cliff Notes for this thread?

You bet.....

 

Wes is a liberal east coast douche who is afraid of guns

(most) Aussies are pussies who are afraid of guns

According to them, guns are sentient and kill of their own accord and therefore must be banned

There are a few of us who believe in the constitution macho US smokescreen.second amendment hooey.

 

6793083416_90490032e6_z.jpg

 

 

Don't like the 2nd, do ya? Wanna dictate your own morality & 'Progressiveness' upon 180 million responsible gun owners in America cuz they disagree with you & your ilk? Wow, I find that not only extremely unpatriotic, but close to treasonous. You should really be fuking ashamed of yourself. And quite honestly, I'm embarrassed that you live here....

 

doncha know booth? the constitution is a dated piece of paper, it shouldnt have any more credence than the 10Commandments which are also obviously dated. No point attemtping to have consistency since people change/evolve over time. I mean, we are biologically significantly different from the people of 200years ago.

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Did I count that casualty list up correctly? 45 dead kids in 17 years? Wanna we take this over to Statistic Anarchy and practice our (tiny) fractions?....

 

And in Australia in that time - ZERO kids killed at school.

 

There should not be ANY killed in school.

 

It is tragic, I agree.

 

However, I'd point out that an average of 15 kids die each year (that would be more than 250 in that same 17 years) playing high-school sports in the US. If you want an outlet for your outrage, why aren't you clamoring to make high school sports illegal?

 

The high-school sports are even... school sanctioned. Not even the result of a criminal act. Horrifying.

 

What's the per-capita average for Oz? I bet it isn't zero.

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Did I count that casualty list up correctly? 45 dead kids in 17 years? Wanna we take this over to Statistic Anarchy and practice our (tiny) fractions?....

 

And in Australia in that time - ZERO kids killed at school.

 

There should not be ANY killed in school.

 

It is tragic, I agree.

 

However, I'd point out that an average of 15 kids die each year (that would be more than 250 in that same 17 years) playing high-school sports in the US. If you want an outlet for your outrage, why aren't you clamoring to make high school sports illegal?

 

The high-school sports are even... school sanctioned. Not even the result of a criminal act. Horrifying.

 

What's the per-capita average for Oz? I bet it isn't zero.

 

whats the number for teen drinking?

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Did I count that casualty list up correctly? 45 dead kids in 17 years? Wanna we take this over to Statistic Anarchy and practice our (tiny) fractions?....

 

And in Australia in that time - ZERO kids killed at school.

 

There should not be ANY killed in school.

 

It is tragic, I agree.

 

However, I'd point out that an average of 15 kids die each year (that would be more than 250 in that same 17 years) playing high-school sports in the US. If you want an outlet for your outrage, why aren't you clamoring to make high school sports illegal?

 

The high-school sports are even... school sanctioned. Not even the result of a criminal act. Horrifying.

 

You guys use a crazy logic that if people die by some means not gun related, then gun related deaths are acceptable. That is very difficult for people who don't live in your gun totin' society to understand.

 

edit. Do you have kids?

 

Do you worry that some kid might take a gun to school and murder one of your kids?

 

Or is it more important that you should be able to own a gun?

 

Or maybe do you not have kids and you couldn't give a damn how many get shot at school?

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Did I count that casualty list up correctly? 45 dead kids in 17 years? Wanna we take this over to Statistic Anarchy and practice our (tiny) fractions?....

 

And in Australia in that time - ZERO kids killed at school.

 

There should not be ANY killed in school.

 

It is tragic, I agree.

 

However, I'd point out that an average of 15 kids die each year (that would be more than 250 in that same 17 years) playing high-school sports in the US. If you want an outlet for your outrage, why aren't you clamoring to make high school sports illegal?

 

The high-school sports are even... school sanctioned. Not even the result of a criminal act. Horrifying.

 

You guys use a crazy logic that if people die by some means not gun related, then gun related deaths are acceptable. That is very difficult for people who don't live in your gun totin' society to understand.

 

Agreed, JS. I notice that a large percentage of the comments use this flimsy logic.

Nor is the gun to be considered phallic here.

Rationalization and denial.

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Did I count that casualty list up correctly? 45 dead kids in 17 years? Wanna we take this over to Statistic Anarchy and practice our (tiny) fractions?....

 

And in Australia in that time - ZERO kids killed at school.

 

There should not be ANY killed in school.

 

It is tragic, I agree.

 

However, I'd point out that an average of 15 kids die each year (that would be more than 250 in that same 17 years) playing high-school sports in the US. If you want an outlet for your outrage, why aren't you clamoring to make high school sports illegal?

 

The high-school sports are even... school sanctioned. Not even the result of a criminal act. Horrifying.

 

You guys use a crazy logic that if people die by some means not gun related, then gun related deaths are acceptable. That is very difficult for people who don't live in your gun totin' society to understand.

 

Agreed, JS. I notice that a large percentage of the comments use this flimsy logic.

Nor is the gun to be considered phallic here.

Rationalization and denial.

 

 

What's flimsy is you demonize an inanimate object. Nobody said its acceptable, but you're looking at the means of it, not the end result. If they die from a school sport that's somehow okay? No, not really. Its still a dead kid. Just its socially acceptable that they die from a coach running them literally into the ground.

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doncha know booth? the constitution is a dated piece of paper, it shouldnt have any more credence than the 10Commandments which are also obviously dated. No point attemtping to have consistency since people change/evolve over time. I mean, we are biologically significantly different from the people of 200years ago.

 

Boothy, I used to want to be like Wyatt Earp but reading about him changed my mind.

My second point: if we were all Boothites it would not be anarchy, would it?

 

The weapons provision held in the second amendment is a small part of the Constitution.

Nor is it central to the tenets of the Constitution. as far as I read the ideas overall.

To hug the second amendment is not to hug the constitution.

Sorry, but to place less emphasis on the second amendment is not to diss the constitution.

 

But Mustang yes, we may differ about tthe changes in time since 1776.

 

You know, it seems the Pope is out-of-step---he is anti-condom now based on once-sound pro-creative moral logic.

The Islamic scripture seems out-of-step, too---it once made sense but there's no need to whack Infidels as such any more.

The second amendment was largely about prevention of forced lodging by occupying soldiers,and King George is gone now.

 

You gun nuts trot out the second amendment right after they trot out the auto fatalities.

But you do not address the plethora of guns in many houses in a real-time flawed society.

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There should not be ANY killed in school.

 

It is tragic, I agree.

 

However, I'd point out that an average of 15 kids die each year (that would be more than 250 in that same 17 years) playing high-school sports in the US. If you want an outlet for your outrage, why aren't you clamoring to make high school sports illegal?

 

You guys use a crazy logic that if people die by some means not gun related, then gun related deaths are acceptable.

 

Where did I say that gun-related deaths are acceptable? I said they were tragic. I mean it.

 

But, *you* said that there should not be ANY deaths in school. I agree. And, statistically, high-school sports are a much bigger problem than "guns".

 

The fact is that you're so bound up in your emotional reaction to a chunk of metal, you can't see past it. I'm, at my core, a problem solver. And one of the things I know is that you can't solve a problem by focusing on things that didn't cause the problem. You want to focus on the gun. I believe the focus more properly belongs on the people who harm children, whether they are deranged criminals or football coaches.

 

*that* is my crazy logic.

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There should not be ANY killed in school.

 

It is tragic, I agree.

 

However, I'd point out that an average of 15 kids die each year (that would be more than 250 in that same 17 years) playing high-school sports in the US. If you want an outlet for your outrage, why aren't you clamoring to make high school sports illegal?

 

You guys use a crazy logic that if people die by some means not gun related, then gun related deaths are acceptable.

 

Where did I say that gun-related deaths are acceptable? I said they were tragic. I mean it.

 

But, *you* said that there should not be ANY deaths in school. I agree. And, statistically, high-school sports are a much bigger problem than "guns".

 

The fact is that you're so bound up in your emotional reaction to a chunk of metal, you can't see past it. I'm, at my core, a problem solver. And one of the things I know is that you can't solve a problem by focusing on things that didn't cause the problem. You want to focus on the gun. I believe the focus more properly belongs on the people who harm children, whether they are deranged criminals or football coaches.

 

*that* is my crazy logic.

 

 

I maintain that there should not be ANY deaths at school. You accept that because kids might die playing sport at school, there is no reason to prevent gun deaths at school.

 

Kids wear helmets when playing football over there. Why?

 

Do you have to wear seat belts in cars over there? If so, why?

 

Take the gun out of reach of the kid at school and you won't get the massacres. Can't you understand that? A kid couldn't kill several other kids with a baseball bat or a knife in the time he could kill the same number with a gun.

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You guys use a crazy logic that if people die by some means not gun related, then gun related deaths are acceptable.

 

Nobody here has said that gun-related deaths are acceptable. You are imagining that.

 

 

In fact any death -- no matter how it comes about -- is tragic and unacceptable, especially at school. Surely you must agree with that.

 

So, if Jocal's and sledracer's data are true, then the USA has gun-related death rates of 2.65/year compared to 15/year for sports-related deaths.

 

Now, Johnny, if you had a mosquito biting you on the neck and a croc chewing on your foot, where would your focus first lay?

 

 

 

For a little further look at perspective, let's compare the school death rates for USA and Aus.

 

According to Wikipedia, in 2000, the USA had 76.6 million children in school. If we calculate the gun-related death rates of children per year using the above figures, that comes to 0.35 deaths per 10 million children or 0.035 deaths per one million children per year.

 

Now you say that there have been zero deaths in the approx. 2.3 million children that were in your schools in 2008. While that is commendable, you need to realize that even one single death of any kind in your schools, be it accidental or otherwise would peg the Australian school death rate at 0.435 deaths per million students which would be 12 times the rate of gun-related deaths in the USA and even almost double the combined (sports and gun) rate of deaths in the USA.

 

Restated, that would mean that if Australia had only one gun-related death in one year, that would immediately make U.S. Schools statistically 12 times safer than Australian Schools for that year. If this should ever happen -- and I hope it doesn't -- I promise I will not rub your nose in it.

 

This is not even taking into account that there may be other kinds of deaths at Australian schools, as you have only said that there were zero gun-related deaths,

 

In the proper perspective, your enviable position is really rather precarious. You better keep your fingers crossed.

 

 

And again, I will state the all deaths are as equally tragic -- I don't care how they happen. Do you? If deaths are preventable, then let us first get busy preventing them where the most results can be realized.

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Did I count that casualty list up correctly? 45 dead kids in 17 years? Wanna we take this over to Statistic Anarchy and practice our (tiny) fractions?....

 

And in Australia in that time - ZERO kids killed at school.

 

There should not be ANY killed in school.

 

The fact that you consider that number as inconsequential is just plain disgusting. Nothing but contempt for you fuckwit Rambos and your guns. Pathetic!

 

Fwiw, The Nursetta just told me an hour ago that she thinks you're a total cunt. And 'Not the good Aussie kind.'

 

Direct quote, Juanita. What can I say, my daughter's a frickin genius....

 

What does she think about me?

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The second amendment was largely about prevention of forced lodging by occupying soldiers,and King George is gone now.

 

Really? The drafters of the Constitution scribbled in the 2nd amendment with concern about their newly formed countries citizens having to put up foreign troops in their homes? Is that a typo on your part, or what?

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You guys use a crazy logic that if people die by some means not gun related, then gun related deaths are acceptable.

 

Nobody here has said that gun-related deaths are acceptable. You are imagining that.

 

 

In fact any death -- no matter how it comes about -- is tragic and unacceptable, especially at school. Surely you must agree with that.

 

So, if Jocal's and sledracer's data are true, then the USA has gun-related death rates of 2.65/year compared to 15/year for sports-related deaths.

 

Now, Johnny, if you had a mosquito biting you on the neck and a croc chewing on your foot, where would your focus first lay?

 

 

 

For a little further look at perspective, let's compare the school death rates for USA and Aus.

 

According to Wikipedia, in 2000, the USA had 76.6 million children in school. If we calculate the gun-related death rates of children per year using the above figures, that comes to 0.35 deaths per 10 million children or 0.035 deaths per one million children per year.

 

Now you say that there have been zero deaths in the approx. 2.3 million children that were in your schools in 2008. While that is commendable, you need to realize that even one single death of any kind in your schools, be it accidental or otherwise would peg the Australian school death rate at 0.435 deaths per million students which would be 12 times the rate of gun-related deaths in the USA and even almost double the combined (sports and gun) rate of deaths in the USA.

 

Restated, that would mean that if Australia had only one gun-related death in one year, that would immediately make U.S. Schools statistically 12 times safer than Australian Schools for that year. If this should ever happen, I promise I will not rub your nose in it.

 

This is not even taking into account that there may be other kinds of deaths at Australian schools, as you have only said that there were zero gun-related deaths,

 

In the proper perspective, your enviable position is really rather precarious. You better keep your fingers crossed.

 

 

And again, I will state the all deaths are as equally tragic -- I don't care how they happen. Do you? If deaths are preventable, then let us first get busy preventing them where the most results can be realized.

 

What a load of bullshit. Justifying your gun ownership at the expense of childrens lives.

 

Take the guns out of reach of the kids and you would have saved 3 lives and 3 woundings all at school and in only 2 months of this year.

 

No, you won't do that because you would rather play with your penis gun.

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What does she think about me?

 

 

 

You know opening this door only leads to mockery right?

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The second amendment was largely about prevention of forced lodging by occupying soldiers,and King George is gone now.

 

Really? The drafters of the Constitution scribbled in the 2nd amendment with concern about their newly formed countries citizens having to put up foreign troops in their homes? Is that a typo on your part, or what?

 

its fucking jocal, his whole post is a typo.

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And again, I will state the all deaths are as equally tragic -- I don't care how they happen. Do you? If deaths are preventable, then let us first get busy preventing them where the most results can be realized.

What a load of bullshit. Justifying your gun ownership at the expense of childrens lives. ...you would rather play with your penis gun.

 

Interesting how the responsible gun-owner is using calm reasoning, logic and facts.

 

The gun-banner is stuck using frantic emotionalism, hyperbole and ad-hominems.

 

Clearly, the world would be better off if more people behaved like the responsible gun-owner.

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The second amendment was largely about prevention of forced lodging by occupying soldiers,and King George is gone now.

 

Really? The drafters of the Constitution scribbled in the 2nd amendment with concern about their newly formed countries citizens having to put up foreign troops in their homes? Is that a typo on your part, or what?

 

its fucking jocal, his whole post is a typo.

 

Oh fuk me, but you're getting real good at this shit..... :lol:

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What a load of bullshit. Justifying your gun ownership at the expense of childrens lives.

I don't own a gun so I'm not justifying anything. And even if I did own a gun, it would not automatically make it, through some twisted logic, at the expense of anyone's life.

 

 

 

Take the guns out of reach of the kids and you would have saved 3 lives and 3 woundings all at school and in only 2 months of this year.

Your focus is stubbornly and stupidly on the mosquito and not the croc.

 

But if you insist on focusing on the mosquito, then you've already hit on the solution -- take the guns out of the reach of children. In attaining this, I guarantee you it will be far easier to promote proper gun safety to a very small portion of the gun-owners (extremely small as we have seen) than to confiscate 100 million+ legal guns from a responsible and resistant owner's group and which would never even address the problem of the illegal guns.

 

 

 

No, you won't do that because you would rather play with your penis gun.

As I said already, I don't own a gun. I'll just stick with my penis.

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Did I count that casualty list up correctly? 45 dead kids in 17 years? Wanna we take this over to Statistic Anarchy and practice our (tiny) fractions?....

 

And in Australia in that time - ZERO kids killed at school.

 

There should not be ANY killed in school.

 

 

Truly, I hate to disappoint you, Johnny, but in Queensland in 2010, a 12-year-old boy was stabbed to death by a classmate. True, the boy did not die from a bullet, but that shouldn't matter, should it? After all, all deaths are as equally tragic, are they not?

 

Now, if we use the data from the previous calculations, we find that for one year, at least, it was twelve times more likely for an Australian student to die from a stabbing than for a U.S. child to die from a bullet.

 

If we spread this out over a period of six years following the stabbing and without any further deaths in Australian schools, but maintaining a constant death rate in U.S. schools, that still leaves an Australian child twice as likely to be stabbed as a U.S. student to be shot.

 

Kind of brings to mind the saying, "remove the rafter from your own eye, before you point out the sliver in someone else's eye."

 

Furthermore, given the death rate, one has to wonder what the death toll in Australian schools would be if the student population equaled that of the USA. (0.435 stabbing deaths per Australian million per year x 76 = 33 deaths -- compared to 0.035 shooting deaths per U.S. million per year x 76 = 2.65 deaths )

 

So, Johnny, do you think it will be easy to promote responsible knife ownership to parents or will it be easier to confiscate all knives from homes in Australia?

 

Which do you think would have a more positive and lasting effect?

 

 

 

Yes, you will probably accuse me of just playing with numbers, but maybe, hopefully, you might grasp that understanding a problem and its solutions requires first understanding the scale and that comparing absolute numbers from two vastly different sizes of population is disingenuous at best and dishonest and corrupt at worst.

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Can someone please give me the Cliff Notes for this thread?

You bet.....

 

Wes is a liberal east coast douche who is afraid of guns

(most) Aussies are pussies who are afraid of guns

According to them, guns are sentient and kill of their own accord and therefore must be banned

There are a few of us who believe in the constitution

 

 

I think there has been but 2 or 3 vociferous anti gun Aussie posters. That's a looooong way from "most"

I think there's only 3-4 AUS posters in this thread including you. You are the reason I added "most". :D

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You guys use a crazy logic that if people die by some means not gun related, then gun related deaths are acceptable. That is very difficult for people who don't live in your gun totin' society to understand.

 

Here's a solution for you.... Stay the fuck home and STFU about how we run our country and we'll not criticize how you run your pussified penal colony. s'kay?

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Take the gun out of reach of the kid at school and you won't get the massacres. Can't you understand that? A kid couldn't kill several other kids with a baseball bat or a knife in the time he could kill the same number with a gun.

 

That's the first logical thing you've said here yet. Bravo! Now, that its been established that it might be a good idea to keep guns out of kids hands.... what action do you think would be more appropriate for that???

A - demand that Parents raise their kids responsibly and supervise them properly (which includes NOT leaving a gun laying around)

B - make the rest of society pay the penalty for the sins of the few

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Did I count that casualty list up correctly? 45 dead kids in 17 years? Wanna we take this over to Statistic Anarchy and practice our (tiny) fractions?....

 

And in Australia in that time - ZERO kids killed at school.

 

There should not be ANY killed in school.

 

 

Truly, I hate to disappoint you, Johnny, but in Queensland in 2010, a 12-year-old boy was stabbed to death by a classmate. True, the boy did not die from a bullet, but that shouldn't matter, should it? After all, all deaths are as equally tragic, are they not?

 

Now, if we use the data from the previous calculations, we find that for one year, at least, it was twelve times more likely for an Australian student to die from a stabbing than for a U.S. child to die from a bullet.

 

If we spread this out over a period of six years following the stabbing and without any further deaths in Australian schools, but maintaining a constant death rate in U.S. schools, that still leaves an Australian child twice as likely to be stabbed as a U.S. student to be shot.

 

Kind of brings to mind the saying, "remove the rafter from your own eye, before you point out the sliver in someone else's eye."

 

Furthermore, given the death rate, one has to wonder what the death toll in Australian schools would be if the student population equaled that of the USA. (0.435 stabbing deaths per Australian million per year x 76 = 33 deaths -- compared to 0.035 shooting deaths per U.S. million per year x 76 = 2.65 deaths )

 

So, Johnny, do you think it will be easy to promote responsible knife ownership to parents or will it be easier to confiscate all knives from homes in Australia?

 

Which do you think would have a more positive and lasting effect?

 

 

 

Yes, you will probably accuse me of just playing with numbers, but maybe, hopefully, you might grasp that understanding a problem and its solutions requires first understanding the scale and that comparing absolute numbers from two vastly different sizes of population is disingenuous at best and dishonest and corrupt at worst.

 

What a load of crap!

 

How irrational can you get Rambo (or do you imagine you're Dirty Harry) More like Boss Hogg.

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Did I count that casualty list up correctly? 45 dead kids in 17 years? Wanna we take this over to Statistic Anarchy and practice our (tiny) fractions?....

 

And in Australia in that time - ZERO kids killed at school.

 

There should not be ANY killed in school.

 

 

Truly, I hate to disappoint you, Johnny, but in Queensland in 2010, a 12-year-old boy was stabbed to death by a classmate. True, the boy did not die from a bullet, but that shouldn't matter, should it? After all, all deaths are as equally tragic, are they not?

 

Now, if we use the data from the previous calculations, we find that for one year, at least, it was twelve times more likely for an Australian student to die from a stabbing than for a U.S. child to die from a bullet.

 

If we spread this out over a period of six years following the stabbing and without any further deaths in Australian schools, but maintaining a constant death rate in U.S. schools, that still leaves an Australian child twice as likely to be stabbed as a U.S. student to be shot.

 

Kind of brings to mind the saying, "remove the rafter from your own eye, before you point out the sliver in someone else's eye."

 

Furthermore, given the death rate, one has to wonder what the death toll in Australian schools would be if the student population equaled that of the USA. (0.435 stabbing deaths per Australian million per year x 76 = 33 deaths -- compared to 0.035 shooting deaths per U.S. million per year x 76 = 2.65 deaths )

 

So, Johnny, do you think it will be easy to promote responsible knife ownership to parents or will it be easier to confiscate all knives from homes in Australia?

 

Which do you think would have a more positive and lasting effect?

 

 

 

Yes, you will probably accuse me of just playing with numbers, but maybe, hopefully, you might grasp that understanding a problem and its solutions requires first understanding the scale and that comparing absolute numbers from two vastly different sizes of population is disingenuous at best and dishonest and corrupt at worst.

 

What a load of crap!

Well, that was predictable....

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Take the gun out of reach of the kid at school and you won't get the massacres. Can't you understand that?

 

I can't understand how that could be accomplished. Maybe you can explain.

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Nor is the gun to be considered phallic here.

 

 

On the contrary, I have long been interested in the medical questions raised by this subject, and am still waiting for johnny to answer my question on that topic.

 

Like I wrote. We don't have guns. We don't need guns. A gun is just a substitite for a small penis. The only guns I have seen for years are carried by the cops, and when I was younger, even cops did not carry guns.

 

Sorry to hear about the onset of a penis size problem among your police. Do the doctors know what caused it?

 

Still waiting...

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The second amendment was largely about prevention of forced lodging by occupying soldiers,and King George is gone now.

 

That would be the Third Amendment.

 

Question: if the Second is no more worth the paper its written upon, what price has the First, Fourth, Fifth, etc? I could offer some chest-beating about how "the Second protects the rest of them" though I don't consider it necessary to include those sentiments since it fails to offer a solution

 

Please, just tell us if we can now ignore, say, the Emancipation Proclamation given its age. Let's abandon Roe v. Wade on the basis that it was decided on - wait for it - the First Amendment, which is now according to the above theory worthless due to its havimg been adopted in 1787.

 

Laws have to be enforced and recognised alike, and once you set a trend of brushing away selected elements of law you find inconvenient, be careful of the precedent you set. Better to recognise the problem and address things over which you CAN legally exercise control, such as safe storage, safety training, public safety education aimed at making it seem unacceptable to keep guns if that's your take, etc etc.

 

Please offer your ideas, solid pursueable measures that the majority of US citizens would accept. I've been asking that here and elsewhere, and have received little more than additional arguments about how "something" needs to be done.

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What a load of bullshit. Justifying your gun ownership at the expense of childrens lives.

I don't own a gun so I'm not justifying anything. And even if I did own a gun, it would not automatically make it, through some twisted logic, at the expense of anyone's life.

 

 

 

Take the guns out of reach of the kids and you would have saved 3 lives and 3 woundings all at school and in only 2 months of this year.

Your focus is stubbornly and stupidly on the mosquito and not the croc.

 

But if you insist on focusing on the mosquito, then you've already hit on the solution -- take the guns out of the reach of children. In attaining this, I guarantee you it will be far easier to promote proper gun safety to a very small portion of the gun-owners (extremely small as we have seen) than to confiscate 100 million+ legal guns from a responsible and resistant owner's group and which would never even address the problem of the illegal guns.

 

 

! DING ! We have a winner, thank you. Someone, please close this thread.

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Did I count that casualty list up correctly? 45 dead kids in 17 years? Wanna we take this over to Statistic Anarchy and practice our (tiny) fractions?....

 

And in Australia in that time - ZERO kids killed at school.

 

There should not be ANY killed in school.

 

 

Truly, I hate to disappoint you, Johnny, but in Queensland in 2010, a 12-year-old boy was stabbed to death by a classmate. True, the boy did not die from a bullet, but that shouldn't matter, should it? After all, all deaths are as equally tragic, are they not?

 

Now, if we use the data from the previous calculations, we find that for one year, at least, it was twelve times more likely for an Australian student to die from a stabbing than for a U.S. child to die from a bullet.

 

If we spread this out over a period of six years following the stabbing and without any further deaths in Australian schools, but maintaining a constant death rate in U.S. schools, that still leaves an Australian child twice as likely to be stabbed as a U.S. student to be shot.

 

Kind of brings to mind the saying, "remove the rafter from your own eye, before you point out the sliver in someone else's eye."

 

Furthermore, given the death rate, one has to wonder what the death toll in Australian schools would be if the student population equaled that of the USA. (0.435 stabbing deaths per Australian million per year x 76 = 33 deaths -- compared to 0.035 shooting deaths per U.S. million per year x 76 = 2.65 deaths )

 

So, Johnny, do you think it will be easy to promote responsible knife ownership to parents or will it be easier to confiscate all knives from homes in Australia?

 

Which do you think would have a more positive and lasting effect?

 

 

 

Yes, you will probably accuse me of just playing with numbers, but maybe, hopefully, you might grasp that understanding a problem and its solutions requires first understanding the scale and that comparing absolute numbers from two vastly different sizes of population is disingenuous at best and dishonest and corrupt at worst.

 

What a load of crap!

 

How irrational can you get Rambo (or do you imagine you're Dirty Harry) More like Boss Hogg.

 

"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!" -- Homer Simpson

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I remember when Aussies used to be some real hard asses. WTF happened?

 

they spend their time surfing gay porn.

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Nor is the gun to be considered phallic here.

 

 

On the contrary, I have long been interested in the medical questions raised by this subject, and am still waiting for johnny to answer my question on that topic.

 

 

Like I wrote. We don't have guns. We don't need guns. A gun is just a substitite for a small penis. The only guns I have seen for years are carried by the cops, and when I was younger, even cops did not carry guns.

 

Sorry to hear about the onset of a penis size problem among your police. Do the doctors know what caused it?

Still waiting...

 

 

 

You are feeling impatience to understand phallic symbols? It not medical. Go ask a psychologist, not JS.

I gather that it's not about the actual measurement of one's dick, more about some men's take on their own potency, sexual or otherwise.

Male genitalia holds no interest to me, but I ponder the apparent inadequacy of gun nuts and Harley riders sometimes.

 

Boothy, you have a "gun broker"? What is that?

I note that he seems to get more regard on this forum than 42 bullet-dead students.

 

 

 

 

 

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I remember when Aussies used to be some real hard asses. WTF happened?

 

they spend their time surfing gay porn.

 

Roight! The pair of ya. :angry:

 

:P

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Roight! The pair of ya. :angry:

 

:P

 

Yea, yea - the people who come up with this phallic crap just stun me - they're probably projecting.

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It's funny. When that Bryant feller shot 35 folks dead in Tassie a few years back and the new gun laws were introduced the country was pretty much in a state of shock. I surrendered my semi auto and got paid near double my purchase price.

 

IMO the gun laws in Aussie are over the top. It's the bad guys that have them all now.

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Boothy, you have a "gun broker"? What is that?

I note that he seems to get more regard on this forum than 42 bullet-dead students.

 

 

 

It's a C&R License (Curios and Relics), issued by the BAFT. Basically it's for collecting, but it also gives me some additional benefits that save me lotsa money. Money, thank gawd, that I don't have to give to those useless assholes up Sukramento;

 

 

http://federal-firearms-license.net/c-and-r-license/

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It's funny. When that Bryant feller shot 35 folks dead in Tassie a few years back and the new gun laws were introduced the country was pretty much in a state of shock. I surrendered my semi auto and got paid near double my purchase price.

 

IMO the gun laws in Aussie are over the top. It's the bad guys that have them all now.

 

you mean to tell me that people who don't care about laws have guns while the population is protected at best by 1-3 police per 5 thousand? That's gotta suck.

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Nor is the gun to be considered phallic here.

 

 

On the contrary, I have long been interested in the medical questions raised by this subject, and am still waiting for johnny to answer my question on that topic.

 

 

Like I wrote. We don't have guns. We don't need guns. A gun is just a substitite for a small penis. The only guns I have seen for years are carried by the cops, and when I was younger, even cops did not carry guns.

 

Sorry to hear about the onset of a penis size problem among your police. Do the doctors know what caused it?

Still waiting...

 

 

 

You are feeling impatience to understand phallic symbols? It not medical. Go ask a psychologist, not JS.

I gather that it's not about the actual measurement of one's dick, more about some men's take on their own potency, sexual or otherwise.

Male genitalia holds no interest to me, but I ponder the apparent inadequacy of gun nuts and Harley riders sometimes.

 

 

How about the apparent inadequacy of motorcycle cops, or cops in general, and their doubts about their own potency? Seems like those could be dangerous psychological traits in a cop, but no one is alarmed? Why? ;)

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It's funny. When that Bryant feller shot 35 folks dead in Tassie a few years back and the new gun laws were introduced the country was pretty much in a state of shock. I surrendered my semi auto and got paid near double my purchase price.

 

IMO the gun laws in Aussie are over the top. It's the bad guys that have them all now.

 

you mean to tell me that people who don't care about laws have guns while the population is protected at best by 1-3 police per 5 thousand? That's gotta suck.

and they're only minutes away :o

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It's funny. When that Bryant feller shot 35 folks dead in Tassie a few years back and the new gun laws were introduced the country was pretty much in a state of shock. I surrendered my semi auto and got paid near double my purchase price.

 

IMO the gun laws in Aussie are over the top. It's the bad guys that have them all now.

 

you mean to tell me that people who don't care about laws have guns while the population is protected at best by 1-3 police per 5 thousand? That's gotta suck.

 

Yeah. Pretty much. And the cops are pretty much restrained by the law as well. For a cop to actually draw his sidearm is a big deal in Aussie. The cop that got killed yesterday probably had his pepper spray & handcuffs deployed.

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You mean the police officer deployed pepper spray - why that's very, very dangerous too!! I think there should be an investigation... He should be punished - oh wait...

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Paging Bootherachi ...

 

Info please on that lever action I saw in your collection. Is it a 0.348?

 

I would like to have one, ideally as a cheap ammo companion to the bigger bolt action. What did you get? What kind of magazine? Accurate?

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Paging Bootherachi ...

 

Info please on that lever action I saw in your collection. Is it a 0.348?

 

I would like to have one, ideally as a cheap ammo companion to the bigger bolt action. What did you get? What kind of magazine? Accurate?

 

 

Why are you so averse to getting a .22, for your "cheap ammo" firearm?

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Paging Bootherachi ...

 

Info please on that lever action I saw in your collection. Is it a 0.348?

 

I would like to have one, ideally as a cheap ammo companion to the bigger bolt action. What did you get? What kind of magazine? Accurate?

 

It's a Sears/JC Higgins Model 45 in 30-30. Made by Marlin in 1957. It's my favorite long gun, I can hit clays at 100 yards with iron sights, and is an absolute blast to shoot. And every man in America needs to own at least one of these. There are no exceptions to this rule......

 

 

 

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Paid $215.00 for this girl, with the scope and a hardcase. Took me three phone calls to the seller to soften him up enough and clue him in on selling it to a Kalifornian----his auction (like about 35% of them on Gun Broker) had a huge banner message across the top, saying 'Absolutely NO SALES to California. NO exceptions' Needless to say, I finally won him over with my charm. Probably my best purchase to date..... :lol:

 

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=275561721

 

 

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=275816863

 

 

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=275936000

 

Here's some for sale as we speak;

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Paging Bootherachi ...

 

Info please on that lever action I saw in your collection. Is it a 0.348?

 

I would like to have one, ideally as a cheap ammo companion to the bigger bolt action. What did you get? What kind of magazine? Accurate?

 

 

Why are you so averse to getting a .22, for your "cheap ammo" firearm?

 

I'm not. I want a lever action, and if I have to spend $1.5k or more on a 0.348, then I would be okay with the 0.22.

 

Those 0.22 guns are okay, but I don't shoot varmints.

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Wtf is is a 0.348? Some sort of statistic?....

 

Forget it, I know now. Why not go with something in .35 Remington? The guys over on the Marlin Owners forum orgasmiate over this round.......

 

 

 

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=274387423

 

What do they get for a 20 round box of 35 ammo? Expensive?

 

What's the magazine like in that Remington? How do I register for that gun auction site?

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I'd recommend a 22 semi-auto with a tubular mag under the barrel rather then a clip mag.

 

I give Rick's recomendation for a 30-30 high marks and like he says a very easy gun to shoot accurately.

 

Though I have Winchester Model 94 lever action 30-30's and a .44 mag...my favorite which I got in '69 is the Marlin 336 30-30.

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Wtf is is a 0.348? Some sort of statistic?....

 

He meant the .338 Winchester Magnum....

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The Marlin .30-.30 is the Honey Badger of the American gun world. Half way attractive, rugged, bullet proof, fears not the elements nor it's prey, can go almost anywhere and as reliable as a sunset......

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