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I don't understand why there seems to have been no discussion of this here over the past week.

Whats the deal here? Did I miss the thread?

 

Reports by NZ Herald seem to be lacking some clarity as to quite what happened but have pics:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10782311

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10782580

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10783342

 

Stuff article is more clear but differs in details including quotes:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/6337872/Yachts-collide-on-Hauraki-Gulf

 

Facts seem to be:

-Antaeus, Davidson 65 owned & helmed by Charles St Clair Brown (original co-owner of Maximus, well known Auckland yachtie & businessman) was motoring back to West-haven (after its race? or been out cruising?).

-Recently restored 34 foot LoA, 72yr old Classic Gypsy (last Logan keelyacht design) was racing under sail.

-Gypsy got T-boned mid-ship on starboard side by Antaeus from leeward.

-Gypsy 'split in two', sank in under 1min with owners' partner 'seriously injured' but 'not life threatening'.

-St Clair Brown immediately stopped & assisted, both crew of Gypsy brought aboard until Coast Guard arrived to take injured crew to hospital.

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It was outside of the environment, kind of like the Euro.

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Wow. One boat motors slowly into another newly restored boat which sinks in seconds. "pieces everywhere"

 

Doesn't sound very restored to me.

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Or could it be "restored" was correct, while "slowly" was not?

 

"A powerful 112 horsepower Cummins diesel engine powers Antaeus to a cruising speed of about 8 knots "

 

sounds like you could be right.

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Some more looking around found some more stuff

Not sure if kosher to post links to 3rd party sailing forums' threads on the topic?

 

Video of recovery:

http://www.3news.co.nz/Historic-yacht-lifted-from-bottom-of-harbour/tabid/309/articleID/241788/Default.aspx

 

Pics of Gypsy:

http://classicyacht.org.nz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1575

 

Threads at crew.org.nz & classicyacht.org.nz:

http://crew.org.nz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18689

http://classicyacht.org.nz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1559

 

Injury is a chipped pelvis, cuts & bruises.

Maritime NZ investigation underway, plenty of witnesses.

 

My reading is Antaeus with dodgers up & duckie on the bow either didn't see Gypsy in a blindspot or helm was distracted.

 

Antaeus is a pretty big boat & relatively heavy for its size while Gypsy with full keel & lots of lead would have plenty of resistance to sudden acceleration sideways itself -> even at fairly low speed you'd expect the hull side to take pretty serious damage.

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How could hitting the mast with a launch cause more tha $6,000 of damage to a propeller?? (from the nzherald article)

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Some more looking around found some more stuff

Not sure if kosher to post links to 3rd party sailing forums' threads on the topic?

 

Video of recovery:

http://www.3news.co....88/Default.aspx

 

Pics of Gypsy:

http://classicyacht.....php?f=4&t=1575

 

Threads at crew.org.nz & classicyacht.org.nz:

http://crew.org.nz/f...php?f=6&t=18689

http://classicyacht....php?f=10&t=1559

 

Injury is a chipped pelvis, cuts & bruises.

Maritime NZ investigation underway, plenty of witnesses.

 

My reading is Antaeus with dodgers up & duckie on the bow either didn't see Gypsy in a blindspot or helm was distracted.

 

Antaeus is a pretty big boat & relatively heavy for its size while Gypsy with full keel & lots of lead would have plenty of resistance to sudden acceleration sideways itself -> even at fairly low speed you'd expect the hull side to take pretty serious damage.

 

Spotted the initial Herald report but failed to followup with a post here Your reports and speculation seem to be spot on. Gypsy was under sail and racing. Antaeus was under power and returning from a cruise.

 

After viewing the video that you've flagged here of Gypsy on the salvage barge and seeing the extent of the damage I'd be inclined to describe this as a massive collision. The deck is crumpled midway beween the bow and mast but the major impact damage appears to be between chainplates and cockpit. The deckhouse has been completely displaced. Its the kind of damage I'd ascribe to a secondary collision, being runover while submerged but the intact mast, rig and boom rule that out.

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Some more looking around found some more stuff

Not sure if kosher to post links to 3rd party sailing forums' threads on the topic?

 

Video of recovery:

http://www.3news.co....88/Default.aspx

 

Pics of Gypsy:

http://classicyacht.....php?f=4&t=1575

 

Threads at crew.org.nz & classicyacht.org.nz:

http://crew.org.nz/f...php?f=6&t=18689

http://classicyacht....php?f=10&t=1559

 

Injury is a chipped pelvis, cuts & bruises.

Maritime NZ investigation underway, plenty of witnesses.

 

My reading is Antaeus with dodgers up & duckie on the bow either didn't see Gypsy in a blindspot or helm was distracted.

 

Antaeus is a pretty big boat & relatively heavy for its size while Gypsy with full keel & lots of lead would have plenty of resistance to sudden acceleration sideways itself -> even at fairly low speed you'd expect the hull side to take pretty serious damage.

 

Spotted the initial Herald report but failed to followup with a post here Your reports and speculation seem to be spot on. Gypsy was under sail and racing. Antaeus was under power and returning from a cruise.

 

After viewing the video that you've flagged here of Gypsy on the salvage barge and seeing the extent of the damage I'd be inclined to describe this as a massive collision. The deck is crumpled midway beween the bow and mast but the major impact damage appears to be between chainplates and cockpit. The deckhouse has been completely displaced. Its the kind of damage I'd ascribe to a secondary collision, being runover while submerged but the intact mast, rig and boom rule that out.

 

 

The deck-house looks fixable to me. But that hull...just fukin' wow.

 

Must have been a hell of a collision. The boat that hit it must have rode up and acted like an icebreaker.

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Looks like the whole "Split in two" thing was a huge exageration, looks from the one pic I saw to be pretty restorable.

 

Whether it'd be worth restoring is another matter, but it is a very pretty boat.

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An estimated 9000-10,000 boats were on the harbour yesterday - including competitors in the Auckland Anniversary Day Regatta.

Is that right?

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An estimated 9000-10,000 boats were on the harbour yesterday - including competitors in the Auckland Anniversary Day Regatta.

Is that right?

 

I was on Crac-A-Jac getting ready for our start, it was very busy on the harbour, tugs racing, launches buzzing past, lots of tinnies fishing, a large fleet of yachts getting reading to race, all just off the bottom of town by the viaduct harbour, even saw 2 AC45's flying hulls and against all the traffic comes Charlie Brown, hammer down right thro the middle of all that action. The wind had just died, all the racing yachts were either parked up or drifting slowly. The speed he was doing was excessive in my opinion and the course he was steering was unnecessary - plenty of room on the other side of the harbour. seems money and seamanship don't always go together.

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The reason for the collision is "He just didn't see him?" How does that work?

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The reason for the collision is "He just didn't see him?" How does that work?

 

 

Yeah, becalmed sailboat just darted out from behind some other craft that blocked my view, I stood on my brakes....

 

Wait, I'm a motoring sailboat, no brakes. Damn.

 

Still not my fault cuz, well, it just couldn't be. Don't wave that COLREGS book in my face....Accidents happen.

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Can't see the attachment here but apparently Maritime NZ is refusing to investigate or refusing to prosecute due to it being a 'minor incident'.

http://www.skipper.co.nz being the source of the attachment but the article is not online.

 

Haven't seen any reference to this in local media & nothing on http://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/ <_<

 

I'm frankly very disturbed:

-A 100 yr old racing yacht gets T-boned & sunk.

-While racing under sail.

-In the countries' most famous & prominent sailing regatta.

-Right off the main wharf of our biggest city.

-One of the crew nearly hit directly, nearly drowned, hospitalised with a damaged pelvis.

-By a wealthy, prominent local businessman/lawyer/yachtie.

-Under power

-On the way home from cruising (potentially been drinking?).

-Many eyewitnesses, at least some of whose reports indicate clearly unsafe helming (potentially been drinking?).

 

This pic (from here) seems to be from approximate angle of impact

DSC_0846.jpg

 

Its a 'minor incident' not worth investigating & the mainstream media is silent???? :wacko:

Thats bullshit & absolutely reeks of corruption/coverup :angry:

 

Honestly the reason I posted this thread in the first place was because the media coverage seemed distinctly oddly low-key and I wanted to get the goss.

I've tried to make the earlier posts factual & non-controversial because I wasn't there & have been willing to wait for the official report but if there isn't going to be one then thats out the door.

 

If it was Tame Iti in a Waka or Philipino ship crew you think the media would have shut up about it? :wub:

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Can't see the attachment here but apparently Maritime NZ is refusing to investigate or refusing to prosecute due to it being a 'minor incident'.

http://www.skipper.co.nz being the source of the attachment but the article is not online.

 

Haven't seen any reference to this in local media & nothing on http://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/ <_<

 

I'm frankly very disturbed:

-A 100 yr old racing yacht gets T-boned & sunk.

-While racing under sail.

-In the countries' most famous & prominent sailing regatta.

-Right off the main wharf of our biggest city.

-One of the crew nearly hit directly, nearly drowned, hospitalised with a damaged pelvis.

-By a wealthy, prominent local businessman/lawyer/yachtie.

-Under power

-On the way home from cruising (potentially been drinking?).

-Many eyewitnesses, at least some of whose reports indicate clearly unsafe helming (potentially been drinking?).

 

This pic (from here) seems to be from approximate angle of impact

DSC_0846.jpg

 

Its a 'minor incident' not worth investigating & the mainstream media is silent???? :wacko:

Thats bullshit & absolutely reeks of corruption/coverup :angry:

 

Honestly the reason I posted this thread in the first place was because the media coverage seemed distinctly oddly low-key and I wanted to get the goss.

I've tried to make the earlier posts factual & non-controversial because I wasn't there & have been willing to wait for the official report but if there isn't going to be one then thats out the door.

If it was Tame Iti in a Waka or Philipino ship crew you think the media would have shut up about it? :wub:

Thanks for staying on top of this.

 

You can read the article in Professional Skipper by signing up for their free subscription offer on the website. Maritime NZ has handed the case back to the Harbourmaster. Max penalty he can hand out is $200 fine. What a joke! This is a travesty.

 

The seriousness of this accident warrants a proper inquiry and if one were held, it would likely find Antaeus at fault. And that at least would provide grounds for John Pryor to bring a civil suit with some hope of success.

 

Sorry but I can't agree with your notion that the media is dodging coverage of this accident because Charles St. Clair Brown is a prominent Aucklander. Chalk it up to inertia and plain ignorance. Now that Professional Skipper has raised the alarm we might see some more coverage, although I doubt there is anyone in any of the news rooms who scans it every month for possible stories!

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Uhh probably because it didn't get run over by a rich guy in a bigger boat in front of heaps of people, nearly killing someone in process???

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Maybe the one rich guy handed a check to the other rich guy and said keep it quiet......?? Check up on the hurt rich guys bank account.... ;)

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Be sure to keep everyone updated on this important issue.

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Like I said I was rather hoping the reverse of that.

I'm not involved & wasn't anywhere near but I do want to know what happened.

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$200? Life must be pretty cheap in New Zealand if that's all it costs to sent an antique yacht to the bottom and a woman to hospital. Do you think such a huge fine will wreck the budget of Charlie Brown, NZ's heir apparent answer to Italy's Captain Schettino? Yeah, I know the harbormaster couldn't do much -- and didn't -- and further justice may (or may not) be forthcoming.

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Before ranting maybe just read the article:

Fault found by Anteaus skipper, a finding of fact.

Fine assessed is maximum possible in that hearing but not max potential sanction in other venues.

Ambulance chasers on the scene, no doubt.

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Wow, that's terrible. Seems like they can get it sorted if they have the means. This boat was actually restored:

That boat was for sale on Yachtworld not too long ago. Just tried looking for it and I assume it has been sold.

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Aaaaaandd Justice is done

http://www.nzherald....jectid=10790803

 

:blink:

Depends on whether this the first or last step in the justice process.

 

Brown was found to have "breached the collision prevention clause of the navigational safety bylaws."

 

I'd say that sets the scene for a civil action for damages. Wonder how many lawyers there are in Auckland willing and ready to take Pryor's side on a contingent basis?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Can't find it online but there was finally some decent coverage in the paper edition of http://www.theaucklander.co.nz/ today.

 

No further official action being taken.

Quotes from Professional Skipper editor about the apparent double standard, if it'd been a commercial skipper they'd have certainly been charged.

St Clair Brown is no comment because its with his insurers.

Gypsy estimated to cost NZ$350k to repair, Pryor says 'St Clair Brown would have to come up with most of it to go ahead with the repair'.

Antaeus estimated to have been doing 5-10kt at collision, coming back to Westhaven after 'weeks' of cruising.

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And a new one in the NZ Herald, focus on the injured Ms Heatherington.

References the Aucklander coverage, methinks they have been embarrassed into actually providing some coverage.

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And a new one in the NZ Herald, focus on the injured Ms Heatherington.

References the Aucklander coverage, methinks they have been embarrassed into actually providing some coverage.

 

Do you really think anyone on SA, outside of you foreigners, really care about all that?

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St Clair Brown is a bit of a numpty! that's velocity & mass damage....have little faith in his 'slowly motoring' comment

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If the wealthy and reckless St Clair Brown had been a real man, would he have offered to help the woman he nearly killed instead of hiding behind the insurance company's skirts?

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$200? Life must be pretty cheap in New Zealand if that's all it costs to sent an antique yacht to the bottom and a woman to hospital. Do you think such a huge fine will wreck the budget of Charlie Brown, NZ's heir apparent answer to Italy's Captain Schettino? Yeah, I know the harbormaster couldn't do much -- and didn't -- and further justice may (or may not) be forthcoming.

 

 

come on bro $200 is the national gdp lota coin in nz.

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And a new one in the NZ Herald, focus on the injured Ms Heatherington.

References the Aucklander coverage, methinks they have been embarrassed into actually providing some coverage.

 

Do you really think anyone on SA, outside of you foreigners, really care about all that?

 

c'mon be honest, you love us foreigners, I mean how would you ever win any yacht races without us...

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Sounds like someone put their b and g on compass while getting a drink

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Looks like I missed a bit of goings on in August, just been catching up on crew.org.nz & classicyacht.org.nz threads.

 

Skipper of Gypsy got sent this letter

MNZletter3812.jpg

ie they are seriously blaming a becalmed yacht under sail in a very public place in a very public race because they didn't start the engine & get out of the way of a motoring yacht during the last few seconds when collision was imminent.

 

Professional Skipper did this editorial in August

skipperAugust12.jpg

Just readable quality there & not good reading at that.

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wow

 

good thing they are not letting the facts get in the way of thier own assertion of truth

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Looks like I missed a bit of goings on in August, just been catching up on crew.org.nz & classicyacht.org.nz threads.

 

Skipper of Gypsy got sent this letter

MNZletter3812.jpg

ie they are seriously blaming a becalmed yacht under sail in a very public place in a very public race because they didn't start the engine & get out of the way of a motoring yacht during the last few seconds when collision was imminent.

 

Professional Skipper did this editorial in August

skipperAugust12.jpg

Just readable quality there & not good reading at that.

 

"Just readable"? I suppose if I strained by ancient eyes for half an hour I could read it. Would it be possible to rescan these, please?

 

Thanks.

 

Frank

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Or could it be "restored" was correct, while "slowly" was not?

 

"A powerful 112 horsepower Cummins diesel engine powers Antaeus to a cruising speed of about 8 knots "

 

sounds like you could be right.

 

By anyone's definition (outside of a sailor and race walker, 8 knots IS SLOW!). I know it was an insanely busy harbor

but hard to believe that two experienced sailors could not avoid a collision when not competing for a spot in the water.

 

One of the boats with no sails to interfere with their vision?

 

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Still not even an insurance payout.

http://www.nzherald....jectid=10839071

 

Some more detail about the legalities.

 

Glad to see you're staying on top of this clusterfuck.

 

The link you provided appears to be the best account yet of what happened. And it took the Herald what . . . only nine months to provide some lucid coverage.

 

Try as I might I cannot conceive of a situation where the master of a substantial yacht motoring at eight to ten knots through a fleet of slow moving sailing vessels starting a race is not responsible for his actions if he hits one, sinks it, and seriously injures someone.

 

The drivel from Maritime New Zealand is pathetic.

 

Even if there was culpability on John Pryor's part, which I doubt, the seriousness of this accident required the scrutiny of a Maritime Court of Inquiry.

 

We can only hope that a Civil Court will delve into this travesty of justice and award commensurate damages to the injured parties.

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Best coverage has clearly been Professional Skipper & they've been all over it from the start, shame that the mainstream coverage is still very confused.

 

To me this is equivalent to blaming a pedestrian for being run over by a speeding car while crossing at traffic lights on the green man at a busy intersection, having already started out across the road along with a bunch of other people and before the speeding car appeared & just giving the driver a speeding ticket.

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I think someone involved may have been dipped in Teflon...

The smell coming from this incident is not roses.

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Harry Hawthorns decision making process;

 

Common sense

COLREGS

MNZ Rule 22

Morally correct

Ethically correct

Do I have an ounce of integrity

Slap on the wrist for Lord Bargearse - check

Issue insulting & painfully unitelligent letter to 'victim' - check

Job done, now let's focus on something really important...where's my golf diary?

 

Shameful, truly shameful

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No more info on the legalities but I found this site where the owner of Gypsy is documenting the reconstruction.

http://gypsy.org.nz/the-gypsy-rebuild

 

Great progress! :)

121027b.jpg

 

12925h.jpg

 

Edit: and his description of the collision http://gypsy.org.nz/...ion-and-sinking

Auckland Anniversary day dawned bright & clear with much calmer conditions than on the previous day. We were asked to vacate The Viaduct early as our berths were required for other vessels and thus we motored out shortly after 9 a.m. with time to fill in until the start of our race at 11.a.m.

We motored around the harbour for an hour or so, taking in the sights as we went. Around 10:45 we raised sail preparatory to being at the start line at 11:00. With an incoming tide and initially no wind, we drifted further and further away from the start line for a frustrating hour or too, but eventually, a light north easterly breeze came up and we started to make progress toward and, finally over the start line.

 

Tacking back and forth across the harbour, we had gone about on the southern side and were heading at a very slow speed back toward Stanley Point, when I noticed a vessel under power approaching from down the harbour.

As we were under sail and the other boat was motoring. We were clearly the stand- on vessel and there appeared to be ample time for the other vessel to alter course to starboard to avoid us. At that stage, the recommended action for Gypsy to alter course to starboard, to avoid a collision was clearly not viable, given our very slow speed and the fact that to do so would have hastened the collision rather than prevented it. Thus we continued on, waiting for the other vessel to change their course.

 

Unfortunately, that failed to happen

 

Gypsy was hit just forward of amidships by the bow of the other vessel which then rode part way up and over the cabin and decks severely injuring Jill in the process. I was fortunate enough to be able to jump clear just before the impact.

As I surfaced, I looked back and could see Jill helpless and injured in Gypsy’s cockpit, which at that stage, was full of water. As I swam toward her, she disappeared below the surface at the same time as Gypsy sank from sight. By the time I reached the spot, she had resurfaced but was unable to swim or help herself in any way. Fortunately, I remembered my life saving training from High School and was able to swim with her over to the other vessel. The other skipper jumped into the water with a life ring and between us we were able to get her aboard the other vessel. At this time it was obvious that Jill’s injuries were somewhere around her spine, she was in terrible pain and the initial worry was vertebrae damage and possible paralysis.

 

It was one of the most worrying times of my life.

 

Edit 2: And holy crap, there happened to be a Reality TV camera crew on a Coast Guard boat in the area on the day...

Don't know how this wasn't previously made well known

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