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Oh c'mon. Eric is just having fun here. He is just pretending to be clueless.

 

Eric, for those of us that are skeptical of you being who you say you are, please provide the following to authenticate yourself:

 

FB & e-mail passwords

address & phone #

bank acct#

SS#

 

Thank you.

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Gotta work hard to get that kind of recognizably.

I'm certain many college sailors frequent this pit and the recognition you seek will come back to bite you at events. You reap what you sow. Wear a flak jacket.

 

dont worry that that school doesnt get into any big events anyways

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Gotta work hard to get that kind of recognizably.

I'm certain many college sailors frequent this pit and the recognition you seek will come back to bite you at events. You reap what you sow. Wear a flak jacket.

 

dont worry that that school doesnt get into any big events anyways

 

Now, here we have yet another example of the academic achievement of today's youth....

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Gotta work hard to get that kind of recognizably.

 

I anguished over replying to the thread but this did it. It hurt my eyes.

 

You want recognition? That is obviously what is driving you however is going to backfire explosively when you begin school. DO NOT "boast" to others that you are the star of a popular thread on the world's largest sailing website. If they come here, see your posts and even worse, your lameass photos, they might prejudge you to be the character you represent on this thread. That would be a grievous error.

 

I'm certain many college sailors frequent this pit and the recognition you seek will come back to bite you at events. You reap what you sow. Wear a flak jacket.

 

I'm not so sure about "lameass," as I really liked him showing his arms. Arms like that belong in a museum! I thought that pic was more on the interesting side of the continuum, rather than on the "lameass" side.

 

The sailing pic was full-on lame. The pic of the chick was, well, interesting in that it was clear that she had a total disdane of NtY. And then there was the "Little Rascals" style 'do of NtY (having said that, it does detract from - and not complement - his arms. Other than those points, that pic was also generally lame.

 

Having said that, I would be interested in other viewpoints.

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Personal guess, the thread will be no big deal for NtY with regard to anyone who asks him about it: he could simply answer with "I was jerking their chains and having fun," and that probably would mostly put the matter to bed.

 

The difficulty, but probably no great deal of it, will come with other students snickering behind his back and never providing him the opportunity to say something such as the above.

 

However, it's easy enough to have a "who cares" attitude about such consequences, and I recommend it compared to worrying too much about what every single person in the background may think.

 

I don't think it will turn up on a later date when applying for a job, etc. Nor would it likely be much of an issue if discovered after being hired. "Idiocy of youf" is sufficient explanation.

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Really it would be bad to provide that information on the open web for everyone to see? Never would have guessed! -___-

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Personal guess, the thread will be no big deal for NtY with regard to anyone who asks him about it: he could simply answer with "I was jerking their chains and having fun," and that probably would mostly put the matter to bed.

 

The difficulty, but probably no great deal of it, will come with other students snickering behind his back and never providing him the opportunity to say something such as the above.

 

However, it's easy enough to have a "who cares" attitude about such consequences, and I recommend it compared to worrying too much about what every single person in the background may think.

 

I don't think it will turn up on a later date when applying for a job, etc. Nor would it likely be much of an issue if discovered after being hired. "Idiocy of youf" is sufficient explanation.

 

Yeah, he could dismiss this as chain yanking, but then when everyone realizes the real nature of his intellect, they will come to believe that NtY is, indeed, NtY living life large.

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Really it would be bad to provide that information on the open web for everyone to see? Never would have guessed! -___-

 

Btw, as serious "life lesson" advice that I am 100% confident is accurate and important:

 

Unless simply having money given to us by parties who don't care about what we do or how we do it (parents perhaps, or a lottery ticket), how we do in life depends greatly on how we are perceived. It is not only based on what we actually do or what we actually may be inside. And I am not talking only about money earned, though that is profoundly affected by how we are perceived.

 

Human beings in general, and by in general I mean probably 99% or more, just can't help but judge and judge profoundly based on a person's speech, and if seeing their writing, on their writing. A person can have all the information in the world that another person is smart and accomplished, but inability to put sentences together correctly or inability to speak well will completely override that, instantly, at some deep level in his or her brain.

 

It's just how it is.

 

Improving how you are perceived in these ways will vastly improve what you receive and experience in life.

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Ah, a philosopher!

 

Probably all is lost on NtY. I'm not sure where we failed him. Certainly a lot of folks went out of their way to give great advice, most of which was rather consistent (unusual for SA?).

 

Can you imagine, after all this, NtY selected the most mediocre school he was accepted into, and persists in screwing around on FJs? Oh, the shame! The horror of it all!

 

WTF?

 

I feel like I was used.

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Really it would be bad to provide that information on the open web for everyone to see? Never would have guessed! -___-

 

Btw, as serious "life lesson" advice that I am 100% confident is accurate and important:

 

Unless simply having money given to us by parties who don't care about we do or have done or how we do it (parents perhaps, or a lottery ticket) how we do in life, and not just for money, depends greatly on how we are perceived. It is not only based on what we actually do or what we actually may be inside.

 

Human beings in general, and by in general I mean probably 99% or more, just can't help but judge and judge profoundly based on a person's speech, and if seeing their writing, on their writing.

 

It's just how it is.

 

Improving how you are perceived in these ways will improve what you receive and experience in life.

it could be too late for him now. at least on SA

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Really it would be bad to provide that information on the open web for everyone to see? Never would have guessed! -___-

 

Btw, as serious "life lesson" advice that I am 100% confident is accurate and important:

 

Unless simply having money given to us by parties who don't care about what we do or how we do it (parents perhaps, or a lottery ticket), how we do in life depends greatly on how we are perceived. It is not only based on what we actually do or what we actually may be inside. And I am not talking only about money earned, though that is profoundly affected by how we are perceived.

 

Human beings in general, and by in general I mean probably 99% or more, just can't help but judge and judge profoundly based on a person's speech, and if seeing their writing, on their writing. A person can have all the information in the world that another person is smart and accomplished, but inability to put sentences together correctly or inability to speak well will completely override that, instantly, at some deep level in his or her brain.

 

It's just how it is.

 

Improving how you are perceived in these ways will vastly improve what you receive and experience in life.

 

I couldn't agree more.

 

HW

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Really it would be bad to provide that information on the open web for everyone to see? Never would have guessed! -___-

 

Btw, as serious "life lesson" advice that I am 100% confident is accurate and important:

 

Unless simply having money given to us by parties who don't care about what we do or how we do it (parents perhaps, or a lottery ticket), how we do in life depends greatly on how we are perceived. It is not only based on what we actually do or what we actually may be inside. And I am not talking only about money earned, though that is profoundly affected by how we are perceived.

 

Human beings in general, and by in general I mean probably 99% or more, just can't help but judge and judge profoundly based on a person's speech, and if seeing their writing, on their writing. A person can have all the information in the world that another person is smart and accomplished, but inability to put sentences together correctly or inability to speak well will completely override that, instantly, at some deep level in his or her brain.

 

It's just how it is.

 

Improving how you are perceived in these ways will vastly improve what you receive and experience in life.

 

I completely agree, well said.

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Well, to put it simply: I think you've been amply advised and at this point you are just milking this thread poorly and boringly. Earlier it was entertaining; now it has gotten old.

 

You seem a good kid, certainly amiable and able to go with the jokes, which many can't, and you're enthusiastic about sailing though your decisions there may be poor -- building earning capacity for your lifetime would likely do far more for your sailing than putting so much effort into college sailing, and there would be many options you could pursue other than a college team. But it's your life.

 

You're out to waste a fairly spectacular amount of money compared to going to a local community college, representing 100% of several years of your likely earnings after graduation, and getting no added gain for this added expenditure. But it's your parents' money and you obviously don't care. Most kids don't: it would be too overwhelming to actually process what our parents do for us, so it's natural for a teenager to completely dissociate from it.

 

Good luck, best of outcomes, I mean it sincerely.

 

But now you're boring me, so goodbye on this thread, which seems to be your only participation on SA.

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Actually I have started other threads on this site :)

 

Just as I figured. Sock puppetry.

 

To NtY's defense he did start a worthless rules question thread. Aside from that I don't recall him even posting to any other threads. Actually, I've never even seen him lurking in any other threads. He's supposed to be a sailor, correct? Maybe he's just not interested in anything that's not NtY-related.

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Well, to put it simply: I think you've been amply advised and at this point you are just milking this thread poorly and boringly. Earlier it was entertaining; now it has gotten old.

 

You seem a good kid, certainly amiable and able to go with the jokes, which many can't, and you're enthusiastic about sailing though your decisions there may be poor -- building earning capacity for your lifetime would likely do far more for your sailing than putting so much effort into college sailing, and there would be many options you could pursue other than a college team. But it's your life.

 

You're out to waste a fairly spectacular amount of money compared to going to a local community college, representing 100% of several years of your likely earnings after graduation, and getting no added gain for this added expenditure. But it's your parents' money and you obviously don't care. Most kids don't: it would be too overwhelming to actually process what our parents do for us, so it's natural for a teenager to completely dissociate from it.

 

Good luck, best of outcomes, I mean it sincerely.

 

But now you're boring me, so goodbye on this thread, which seems to be your only participation on SA.

 

I understand, and share, your frustration with NtY.

 

However, the messages here are more intended for all the other youngsters that read SA and are at a similar, or earlier stage in life. You will note that some responders even attended (or were attending UNH)! my point is that our message was, indeed, resonating - if not with NtY, then others.

 

While we are not their parents, they can benefit from this discussion - in more ways than one. I also think some parents might benefit from this advice. Obviously NtY has had little positive guidance in his life - or he seeks to ignore it - the irony being he will use his parents money as he sees fit. Therein lies the problem!

 

While meandering about Barnes & Noble yeaterday, I came across a book entitled - The New Reality of College Education (Admissions?). The points made in the reference were identical to what most were saying on this thread. Amusing, ironic, pathetic!

 

So, keep in mind that, whilst NtY might just be W's child left behind, there are other folks who have benefitted from your points.

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I hope so. It's possible, and it would be a worthwhile outcome. A lot of us mostly just entertain ourselves here, but sometimes good can be accomplished in the process as well.

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213 posts in this thread. you really need to get a life

 

No, to have counted them means that you need a life.

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213 posts in this thread. you really need to get a life

 

No, to have counted them means that you need a life.

 

You do know that it only takes a few clicks on this site to find out how many posts you have made on any thread? No? Who helped you log in?

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213 posts in this thread. you really need to get a life

 

No, to have counted them means that you need a life.

counted them? ha, no not so much

 

ps-- youre awfully preachy for someone that clearly doesnt even possess basic tech skills

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213 posts in this thread. you really need to get a life

 

No, to have counted them means that you need a life.

 

You do know that it only takes a few clicks on this site to find out how many posts you have made on any thread? No? Who helped you log in?

i bet his dumbass doesnt even know that we can block signatures at the bottom of posts either. thank god for that, that feature was made to help us cope with losers like dorag, dawoody, etc...

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For first sentence is a question, as you are asking folks to make a guess. Hence, the sentence should end with a question mark and not an exclamation mark. Additionally, your second attempt at a sentence resulted in a fragment, not a sentence. Maybe add a noun and a verb?

 

Next, your pride in getting a first in B fleet is not worthy of any attention. Kinda like going to Washington College. Outcomes like those are not achievments, rather, they are more your continued wallowing in mediocrity.

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For first sentence is a question, as you are asking folks to make a guess. Hence, the sentence should end with a question mark and not an exclamation mark. Additionally, your second attempt at a sentence resulted in a fragment, not a sentence. Maybe add a noun and a verb?

 

Next, your pride in getting a first in B fleet is not worthy of any attention. Kinda like going to Washington College. Outcomes like those are not achievments, rather, they are more your continued wallowing in mediocrity.

If you even looked at the results without going strait to trash talking you would see that I won the regatta for us. Also, if you looked at the names of the teams you would see a lot of top sailing programs and even for B, not even close to easy to beat.....

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For first sentence is a question, as you are asking folks to make a guess. Hence, the sentence should end with a question mark and not an exclamation mark. Additionally, your second attempt at a sentence resulted in a fragment, not a sentence. Maybe add a noun and a verb?

 

Next, your pride in getting a first in B fleet is not worthy of any attention. Kinda like going to Washington College. Outcomes like those are not achievments, rather, they are more your continued wallowing in mediocrity.

If you even looked at the results without going strait to trash talking you would see that I won the regatta for us. Also, if you looked at the names of the teams you would see a lot of top sailing programs and even for B, not even close to easy to beat.....

 

A "strait" is a narrow body of water. And no, those are not the top ranked teams in the country. Again, more wallowing in mediocrity...

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If you even looked at the results without going strait to trash talking you would see that I won the regatta for us. Also, if you looked at the names of the teams you would see a lot of top sailing programs and even for B, not even close to easy to beat.....

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are you serious dorag? Severn has the most national appearances out of all the teams in ISSA, also Annapolis is not that far behind. Massa is one of the most competitive leagues in ISSA, so get your facts right Dorag.

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are you serious dorag?

Severn has the most national appearances out of all the teams in ISSA.

 

 

What exactly are "national appearances?"

 

And DoRag is very serious.

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Guess who is going to nationals!also first in B fleet :P

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For first sentence is a question, as you are asking folks to make a guess. Hence, the sentence should end with a question mark and not an exclamation mark. Additionally, your second attempt at a sentence resulted in a fragment, not a sentence. Maybe add a noun and a verb?

 

Next, your pride in getting a first in B fleet is not worthy of any attention. Kinda like going to Washington College. Outcomes like those are not achievments, rather, they are more your continued wallowing in mediocrity.

If you even looked at the results without going strait to trash talking you would see that I won the regatta for us. Also, if you looked at the names of the teams you would see a lot of top sailing programs and even for B, not even close to easy to beat.....

 

high school and college sailing are two of the most overrated elements of the sport in the US. all you learn is roll tacking a tiny two person boat, with crews that have to be of a certain size. you learn nothing of boat preparation or tuning. go get yourself in a tough class where there are elements of boat prep and tuning, and more than just stock sails like a main and jib and win a few regattas and get back to us. in the mean time, yawn.

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are you serious dorag?

Severn has the most national appearances out of all the teams in ISSA.

 

 

What exactly are "national appearances?"

 

And DoRag is very serious.

Just what I said. It is the amount of times a team has gone to a national event.

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are you serious dorag?

Severn has the most national appearances out of all the teams in ISSA.

 

 

What exactly are "national appearances?"

 

And DoRag is very serious.

 

maybe Severn has some kids on The Voice or American Idol?

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are you serious dorag?

Severn has the most national appearances out of all the teams in ISSA.

 

 

What exactly are "national appearances?"

 

And DoRag is very serious.

 

maybe Severn has some kids on The Voice or American Idol?

 

OK, now I get it.

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For first sentence is a question, as you are asking folks to make a guess. Hence, the sentence should end with a question mark and not an exclamation mark. Additionally, your second attempt at a sentence resulted in a fragment, not a sentence. Maybe add a noun and a verb?

 

Next, your pride in getting a first in B fleet is not worthy of any attention. Kinda like going to Washington College. Outcomes like those are not achievments, rather, they are more your continued wallowing in mediocrity.

If you even looked at the results without going strait to trash talking you would see that I won the regatta for us. Also, if you looked at the names of the teams you would see a lot of top sailing programs and even for B, not even close to easy to beat.....

 

high school and college sailing are two of the most overrated elements of the sport in the US. all you learn is roll tacking a tiny two person boat, with crews that have to be of a certain size. you learn nothing of boat preparation or tuning. go get yourself in a tough class where there are elements of boat prep and tuning, and more than just stock sails like a main and jib and win a few regattas and get back to us. in the mean time, yawn.

 

THANK YOU!!!!!

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I know All-American college sailors who can't explain sail draft, rig geometry, boat prep, maneuvers any more complicated than a roll tack/gybe or anything to do with sailing that isn't a windward leeward.

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Guess who is going to nationals!also first in B fleet :P

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For first sentence is a question, as you are asking folks to make a guess. Hence, the sentence should end with a question mark and not an exclamation mark. Additionally, your second attempt at a sentence resulted in a fragment, not a sentence. Maybe add a noun and a verb?

 

Next, your pride in getting a first in B fleet is not worthy of any attention. Kinda like going to Washington College. Outcomes like those are not achievments, rather, they are more your continued wallowing in mediocrity.

If you even looked at the results without going strait to trash talking you would see that I won the regatta for us. Also, if you looked at the names of the teams you would see a lot of top sailing programs and even for B, not even close to easy to beat.....

 

high school and college sailing are two of the most overrated elements of the sport in the US. all you learn is roll tacking a tiny two person boat, with crews that have to be of a certain size. you learn nothing of boat preparation or tuning. go get yourself in a tough class where there are elements of boat prep and tuning, and more than just stock sails like a main and jib and win a few regattas and get back to us. in the mean time, yawn.

 

i gotta say back in highschool i wouldnt have been caught dead (ok i did one highschool event) in a highschool regatta. i sailed club 420's and for the last year or two my 29er (not exactly the epitome of tuning there.... but definitely prep intensive). when i got to college i initially wasnt going to sail because i still had that snide attitude towards sailing a dumbed-down version of an already dumbed-down boat. but, 3years later im happy i've done it. No where else will you be able to practice four days a week in a 12-18 boat fleet where half the practices are like 2hr regattas, and then race nearly every weekend. The amount of time on the water is great. I also get to sail with and against some of the best dinghy racers in the country, who have proved themselves both in and outside of collegiate sailing. Now i would never go to a school because of its sailing team - although the team and the school's proximity to other places to go sailing did have an influence, but if the opportunity is there you (not you erWhateverthe fuck, i mean the proverbial "you") should take it. Sunseeker just sounds like he was a shitty helm or a fat crew. I was in a fleet this past weekend, 18-20 boats, and at the top mark we were separated by maybe 21boat lengths and 25 by the bottom mark. yes the beat was short, but it was a long downwind since it was a trapezoid course. Yes sailing on a varsity team requires better time management - not a strong suit of mine, but i think anyone that is in college and taking 15credits without doing a sport should be smacked and told they have to take 18credits. The amount of free time you have when sailing isnt in session is just astounding...

 

Wes, you've never talked to any of the all-american's on this team. it was a good effort though. I dont know any good college racers that havent proved themselves in other classes, including keelboats which we all know to you is the only test of whether someone knows how to sail. You tried out for the team and got cut, are you saying that you would have walked off if you had been let on because no one on the team is good enough for you?

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I know All-American college sailors who can't explain sail draft, rig geometry, boat prep, maneuvers any more complicated than a roll tack/gybe or anything to do with sailing that isn't a windward leeward.

 

I know an All American sailor that works at MacDonalds.

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I know All-American college sailors who can't explain sail draft, rig geometry, boat prep, maneuvers any more complicated than a roll tack/gybe or anything to do with sailing that isn't a windward leeward.

 

I know an All American sailor that works at MacDonalds.

 

Does he assemble burgers or drop fries? For which do you think NtY is better suited?

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For first sentence is a question, as you are asking folks to make a guess. Hence, the sentence should end with a question mark and not an exclamation mark. Additionally, your second attempt at a sentence resulted in a fragment, not a sentence. Maybe add a noun and a verb?

 

Next, your pride in getting a first in B fleet is not worthy of any attention. Kinda like going to Washington College. Outcomes like those are not achievments, rather, they are more your continued wallowing in mediocrity.

If you even looked at the results without going strait to trash talking you would see that I won the regatta for us. Also, if you looked at the names of the teams you would see a lot of top sailing programs and even for B, not even close to easy to beat.....

 

high school and college sailing are two of the most overrated elements of the sport in the US. all you learn is roll tacking a tiny two person boat, with crews that have to be of a certain size. you learn nothing of boat preparation or tuning. go get yourself in a tough class where there are elements of boat prep and tuning, and more than just stock sails like a main and jib and win a few regattas and get back to us. in the mean time, yawn.

 

i gotta say back in highschool i wouldnt have been caught dead (ok i did one highschool event) in a highschool regatta. i sailed club 420's and for the last year or two my 29er (not exactly the epitome of tuning there.... but definitely prep intensive). when i got to college i initially wasnt going to sail because i still had that snide attitude towards sailing a dumbed-down version of an already dumbed-down boat. but, 3years later im happy i've done it. No where else will you be able to practice four days a week in a 12-18 boat fleet where half the practices are like 2hr regattas, and then race nearly every weekend. The amount of time on the water is great. I also get to sail with and against some of the best dinghy racers in the country, who have proved themselves both in and outside of collegiate sailing. Now i would never go to a school because of its sailing team - although the team and the school's proximity to other places to go sailing did have an influence, but if the opportunity is there you (not you erWhateverthe fuck, i mean the proverbial "you") should take it. Sunseeker just sounds like he was a shitty helm or a fat crew. I was in a fleet this past weekend, 18-20 boats, and at the top mark we were separated by make 21boat lengths and 25 by the bottom mark. yes the beat was short, but it was a long downwind since it was a trapezoid course. Yes it requires better time management - not a strong suit of mine, but i think anyone that is in college and taking 15credits without doing a sport should be smacked and told they have to take 18credits. The amount of free time you have when sailing isnt in session is just astounding...

 

Wes, you've never talked to any of the all-american's on this team. it was a good effort though. I dont know any good college racers that havent proved themselves in other classes, including keelboats which we all know to you is the only test of whether someone knows how to sail. You tried out for the team and got cut, are you saying that you would have walked off if you had been let on because no one on the team is good enough for you?

 

Sunseeker was actually quite a competent racer!

 

Now, would you have been better off concentrating on achieving academic honors, getting into a great grad school and now earning enough money to buy a hot boat? Or do you prefer crewing on someone else's boat?

 

That aside, this is very bad advice for NtY. Obviously he has issues. If he is going to achieve anything in life, he will need to focus solely on grades and getting an education during his time in college. Unfortunately, at Washington, even honors won't mean much. And he claims to have been accepted at both UNH and Delaware, but won't go there as they are to competitive. No, NtY's prospects are not all that bright.

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Congratulations!! Here's your trophy:

 

Wrong trophy. Try this one:

 

Not bad for a Newbie.

 

Now, about some pics...

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Whatever, I am still happy, four national events in 5 years

 

 

And, your being happy makes me happy. Happy, happy, happy...wheee....

 

BTW, you might end that "sentence" with a period.

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Whatever, I am still happy, four national events in 5 years

 

Keep that happy thought - you'll need it when you are flipping burgers at McDonalds in a few years.

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For first sentence is a question, as you are asking folks to make a guess. Hence, the sentence should end with a question mark and not an exclamation mark. Additionally, your second attempt at a sentence resulted in a fragment, not a sentence. Maybe add a noun and a verb?

 

Next, your pride in getting a first in B fleet is not worthy of any attention. Kinda like going to Washington College. Outcomes like those are not achievments, rather, they are more your continued wallowing in mediocrity.

If you even looked at the results without going strait to trash talking you would see that I won the regatta for us. Also, if you looked at the names of the teams you would see a lot of top sailing programs and even for B, not even close to easy to beat.....

 

high school and college sailing are two of the most overrated elements of the sport in the US. all you learn is roll tacking a tiny two person boat, with crews that have to be of a certain size. you learn nothing of boat preparation or tuning. go get yourself in a tough class where there are elements of boat prep and tuning, and more than just stock sails like a main and jib and win a few regattas and get back to us. in the mean time, yawn.

 

i gotta say back in highschool i wouldnt have been caught dead (ok i did one highschool event) in a highschool regatta. i sailed club 420's and for the last year or two my 29er (not exactly the epitome of tuning there.... but definitely prep intensive). when i got to college i initially wasnt going to sail because i still had that snide attitude towards sailing a dumbed-down version of an already dumbed-down boat. but, 3years later im happy i've done it. No where else will you be able to practice four days a week in a 12-18 boat fleet where half the practices are like 2hr regattas, and then race nearly every weekend. The amount of time on the water is great. I also get to sail with and against some of the best dinghy racers in the country, who have proved themselves both in and outside of collegiate sailing. Now i would never go to a school because of its sailing team - although the team and the school's proximity to other places to go sailing did have an influence, but if the opportunity is there you (not you erWhateverthe fuck, i mean the proverbial "you") should take it. Sunseeker just sounds like he was a shitty helm or a fat crew. I was in a fleet this past weekend, 18-20 boats, and at the top mark we were separated by maybe 21boat lengths and 25 by the bottom mark. yes the beat was short, but it was a long downwind since it was a trapezoid course. Yes sailing on a varsity team requires better time management - not a strong suit of mine, but i think anyone that is in college and taking 15credits without doing a sport should be smacked and told they have to take 18credits. The amount of free time you have when sailing isnt in session is just astounding...

Wes, you've never talked to any of the all-american's on this team. it was a good effort though. I dont know any good college racers that havent proved themselves in other classes, including keelboats which we all know to you is the only test of whether someone knows how to sail. You tried out for the team and got cut, are you saying that you would have walked off if you had been let on because no one on the team is good enough for you?

 

Firstly I cut out the totally irrelevant parts of your post... which were many.

 

Secondly, please tell me where did I say which team this person had sailed with? Or whether it was one person at all?

 

As for your argument... it speaks greatly to college sailors not being able to "see the forest from the trees". Since you clearly don't have any perspective let me provide you with some. The reason the boat of choice for college sailing is the FJ/420 is that, cost and durability attributes aside, they are stupidly easy to sail... to the point where any boob can get in it and make it go. To achieve this the boats are dumbed down and simplified. Sail controls are limited, tuning is largely irrelevant, complexity is reduced and the challenging aspects of racing are removed. While this does lower the bar to be able to race the boats (as NtY has so proven) it also means that the benefits one can gain from intensive practices in those boats are limited. The amount and intensity of collegiate practices are wonderful and the talent pool is deep, I don't deny that. But there's only so much one can learn from limited boats like the FJ or Collegiate 420 in that time period and the simple nature of the boats themselves leaves a vast knowledge gap that can't be filled in college sailing because there's no way to teach it. That's why I view college sailing as flawed. Because in the end the amount that it can teach you, simply because of the nature of the competition, is limited. Those things that it can teach it teaches very well. Kinetics, starting, upwind tactics, rules... all very valuable... There's no doubt in my mind that doing close to 1,000 starts over the course of 4 years will make you a better sailor. What it doesn't prepare you for however is the world of racing outside College sailing where those skills are only a fraction of what you need to be successful simply because boats and styles of racing are not the same as they are in college. Complex sail controls and trimming, rig tune, navigation, changing sails and rounding marks simultaneously, real boat preparation, etc. These are aspects of racingwhich are not exclusive to keelboats and which college sailing on the whole doesn't (and can't) teach.

 

And it's not like you can say this doesn't happen. I've watched you pull out your hair as a truly accomplished college sailor failed to comprehend the function and use of a traveler... right in front of your own eyes.

 

As for my history...we've been over it in person. It seems however that (in a spectacular display of immaturity and lack of comprehension for the actual subject at hand) you've decided to bring it up in this discussion. I was cut from my college sailing team for the simple fact that I was too tall, too heavy and too rusty to really be competitive and the were limited available spaces could be filled by people who were either less heavy, less tall or less rusty. It's as simple as that. Thus having the level of contact I do with college sailors and college racing (constant & daily) and the perspective from other aspects of the sport has uniquely enabled me to observe and comment on how the various aspects intertwine. There's no deep superiority here, only an objective opinion born out of deep observation of the factors at play and the realities of our sport.

 

Whatever, I am still happy, four national events in 5 years

 

 

It took you five years to complete high school? Were you held back?

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i gotta say back in highschool i wouldnt have been caught dead (ok i did one highschool event) in a highschool regatta. i sailed club 420's and for the last year or two my 29er (not exactly the epitome of tuning there.... but definitely prep intensive). when i got to college i initially wasnt going to sail because i still had that snide attitude towards sailing a dumbed-down version of an already dumbed-down boat. but, 3years later im happy i've done it. No where else will you be able to practice four days a week in a 12-18 boat fleet where half the practices are like 2hr regattas, and then race nearly every weekend. The amount of time on the water is great. I also get to sail with and against some of the best dinghy racers in the country, who have proved themselves both in and outside of collegiate sailing. Now i would never go to a school because of its sailing team - although the team and the school's proximity to other places to go sailing did have an influence, but if the opportunity is there you (not you erWhateverthe fuck, i mean the proverbial "you") should take it. Sunseeker just sounds like he was a shitty helm or a fat crew. I was in a fleet this past weekend, 18-20 boats, and at the top mark we were separated by maybe 21boat lengths and 25 by the bottom mark. yes the beat was short, but it was a long downwind since it was a trapezoid course. Yes sailing on a varsity team requires better time management - not a strong suit of mine, but i think anyone that is in college and taking 15credits without doing a sport should be smacked and told they have to take 18credits. The amount of free time you have when sailing isnt in session is just astounding...

 

Wes, you've never talked to any of the all-american's on this team. it was a good effort though. I dont know any good college racers that havent proved themselves in other classes, including keelboats which we all know to you is the only test of whether someone knows how to sail. You tried out for the team and got cut, are you saying that you would have walked off if you had been let on because no one on the team is good enough for you?

 

 

actually mustang, without trying to sound like i am blowing my own horn, i am most certainly not fat, and for my age am in damn good shape. I can, and do, helm a wide variety of boats regularly, and crew in a variety of positions, though fortunately there are young bucks like you for the heavy lifting, and i have earned my position behind the traveler on a big boat. but i can still do bow, when the young bowman is either late to the boat, or too hungover, because he hasn't learned to run with the big dogs. sadly for them, i also then take their woman. he'll learn, maybe.

 

there is alot of benefit to sailing a 29'er i'm a big fan of that boat, far more so than the 420 crap. while not tuning sensitive in terms of boat tweaking, 29'ers teach alot of other skills, and are alot of fun to sail.

 

college sailing does develop good small boat techniques, if you are of the right size to sail those boats. college sailing creates typesized crews, period. and yes, many of the good college sailors are also good in other classes. but funny thing, i was asked to sail in a boat last summer with a father and son, the son having been on one of the more competitive high school teams in the nation when he was there, and which remains competitive today. his father and i were surprised at how his son could not understand the basics of long course management up the weather leg. i've known this kid for a long time, i''ve seen everything he's done and helped him in several ways. he is one of the better sailors of his generation too, having places well in a variety of us sailing events.

 

the fundamental problem with high school and college sailing is that all of those kids spend all of their time sailing around in little tiny boats on little tiny courses. coaches are god, and many of the coaches have never won very much, but they have their coaching certificate, so whatever.

 

NtY will learn too late that his "national appearances" are illusionary, much ado about nothing.

 

if NtY really wanted to spend his parents money and his time wisely, he could take that trust fund and use it to attend a comm college, and then buy a boat like a snipe or lightning or j22, or maybe even a melges 20/24, and learn how little he really knows about sailing, sail with and against better older wiser sailors, while at the same time getting a value based education.

 

 

 

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Whatever, I am still happy, four national events in 5 years

 

Keep that happy thought - you'll need it when you are flipping burgers at McDonalds in a few years.

 

Don't forget that he will be reporting to some dude named Benito...

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Firstly I cut out the totally irrelevant parts of your post... which were many.thats funny coming from King Superfluous

 

Secondly, please tell me where did I say which team this person had sailed with? Or whether it was one person at all?

 

As for your argument... it speaks greatly to college sailors not being able to "see the forest from the trees". Since you clearly don't have any perspective let me provide you with some. The reason the boat of choice for college sailing is the FJ/420 is that, cost and durability attributes aside, they are stupidly easy to sail... to the point where any boob can get in it and make it go you couldnt. To achieve this the boats are dumbed down and simplified no they do it for cost. Sail controls are limited, tuning is largely irrelevant, complexity is reduced and the challenging aspects of racing are removed the challenging aspects? like staying in the boat? you couldnt even do that!. While this does lower the bar to be able to race the boats (as NtY has so proven) it also means that the benefits one can gain from intensive practices in those boats are limited perspective? you've never done a college event in your life, how would you know what can be gained from a practice and how that affects the outcome? . The amount and intensity of collegiate practices are wonderful and the talent pool is deep, I don't deny that. But there's only so much one can learn from limited boats like the FJ or Collegiate 420 in that time period and the simple nature of the boats themselves leaves a vast knowledge gap that can't be filled in college sailing because there's no way to teach it. That's why I view college sailing as flawed. Because in the end the amount that it can teach you, simply because of the nature of the competition, is limited. Those things that it can teach it teaches very well. Kinetics, starting, upwind tactics, rules... all very valuable... There's no doubt in my mind that doing close to 1,000 starts over the course of 4 years will make you a better sailor. What it doesn't prepare you for however is the world of racing outside College sailing where those skills are only a fraction of what you need to be successful simply because boats and styles of racing are not the same as they are in college. Complex sail controls and trimming, rig tune, navigation, changing sails and rounding marks simultaneously, real boat preparation, etc. These are aspects of racingwhich are not exclusive to keelboats and which college sailing on the whole doesn't (and can't) teach. these are things any good college sailor already has a grasp of since they didnt learn how to ail in college. Most sailed club420's or lasers, which unless you go on a keelboat so you can learn which way a winch spins, they are about the only two boats with a common fleet in the US that you can easily find a fleet to race in. They arent going to teach you a whole lot more about rig tune than a collegiate boat. Anything else is going to be a lot harder to get into and run, and possibly more expensive. A 470/i420 will teach you a lot about rigtune, but they arent cheap to campaign and would break in half for college racing - being used 4-6days a week. all of those other things you mention are things which are not applicable to any mission for college sailing, or feasible. should we run a tufluf on an FJ? running backstays? do i wish the boats were faster? yes. do i wish they had traps? fucking yes. do i wish they had a tunable rig? yep. do i care as much about those things now that ive done it for three years? nope. I recognize now that college sailing is an effective way to gain valuable time on the water with minimal complexities or expense compared to campaigning my own boat.

 

And it's not like you can say this doesn't happen. I've watched you pull out your hair as a truly accomplished college sailor failed to comprehend the function and use of a traveler... right in front of your own eyes. he wasnt an all-american. ive also seen non-college sailors fail at using a traveller. your argument is flawed. he was also wicked hungover.

 

As for my history...we've been over it in person. It seems however that (in a spectacular display of immaturity and lack of comprehension for the actual subject at hand) you've decided to bring it up in this discussion. I was cut from my college sailing team for the simple fact that I was too tall, too heavy and too rusty to really be competitive and the were limited available spaces could be filled by people who were either less heavy, less tall or less rusty. It's as simple as that. Thus having the level of contact I do with college sailors and college racing (constant & daily) and the perspective from other aspects of the sport has uniquely enabled me to observe and comment on how the various aspects intertwine. There's no deep superiority here, only an objective opinion born out of deep observation of the factors at play and the realities of our sport.

 

is rusty just another word for not being good enough?

 

i see you've been taking quoting lessons from cliffy.

 

 

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Can't we all just get along?

I thouht we werre?? :)

 

Hmmmmm, it doesn't appear so?

 

Hey, you forgot you emoticom...or were you naturalized or have a sex change operation?

 

Just askin'

 

WTF?

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i gotta say back in highschool i wouldnt have been caught dead (ok i did one highschool event) in a highschool regatta. i sailed club 420's and for the last year or two my 29er (not exactly the epitome of tuning there.... but definitely prep intensive). when i got to college i initially wasnt going to sail because i still had that snide attitude towards sailing a dumbed-down version of an already dumbed-down boat. but, 3years later im happy i've done it. No where else will you be able to practice four days a week in a 12-18 boat fleet where half the practices are like 2hr regattas, and then race nearly every weekend. The amount of time on the water is great. I also get to sail with and against some of the best dinghy racers in the country, who have proved themselves both in and outside of collegiate sailing. Now i would never go to a school because of its sailing team - although the team and the school's proximity to other places to go sailing did have an influence, but if the opportunity is there you (not you erWhateverthe fuck, i mean the proverbial "you") should take it. Sunseeker just sounds like he was a shitty helm or a fat crew. I was in a fleet this past weekend, 18-20 boats, and at the top mark we were separated by maybe 21boat lengths and 25 by the bottom mark. yes the beat was short, but it was a long downwind since it was a trapezoid course. Yes sailing on a varsity team requires better time management - not a strong suit of mine, but i think anyone that is in college and taking 15credits without doing a sport should be smacked and told they have to take 18credits. The amount of free time you have when sailing isnt in session is just astounding...

 

Wes, you've never talked to any of the all-american's on this team. it was a good effort though. I dont know any good college racers that havent proved themselves in other classes, including keelboats which we all know to you is the only test of whether someone knows how to sail. You tried out for the team and got cut, are you saying that you would have walked off if you had been let on because no one on the team is good enough for you?

 

 

actually mustang, without trying to sound like i am blowing my own horn, i am most certainly not fat, and for my age am in damn good shape. I can, and do, helm a wide variety of boats regularly, and crew in a variety of positions, though fortunately there are young bucks like you for the heavy lifting, and i have earned my position behind the traveler on a big boat. but i can still do bow, when the young bowman is either late to the boat, or too hungover, because he hasn't learned to run with the big dogs. sadly for them, i also then take their woman. he'll learn, maybe.

 

there is alot of benefit to sailing a 29'er i'm a big fan of that boat, far more so than the 420 crap. while not tuning sensitive in terms of boat tweaking, 29'ers teach alot of other skills, and are alot of fun to sail.

 

college sailing does develop good small boat techniques, if you are of the right size to sail those boats. college sailing creates typesized crews, period. and yes, many of the good college sailors are also good in other classes. but funny thing, i was asked to sail in a boat last summer with a father and son, the son having been on one of the more competitive high school teams in the nation when he was there, and which remains competitive today. his father and i were surprised at how his son could not understand the basics of long course management up the weather leg. i've known this kid for a long time, i''ve seen everything he's done and helped him in several ways. he is one of the better sailors of his generation too, having places well in a variety of us sailing events.

 

the fundamental problem with high school and college sailing is that all of those kids spend all of their time sailing around in little tiny boats on little tiny courses. coaches are god, and many of the coaches have never won very much, but they have their coaching certificate, so whatever.

 

NtY will learn too late that his "national appearances" are illusionary, much ado about nothing.

 

if NtY really wanted to spend his parents money and his time wisely, he could take that trust fund and use it to attend a comm college, and then buy a boat like a snipe or lightning or j22, or maybe even a melges 20/24, and learn how little he really knows about sailing, sail with and against better older wiser sailors, while at the same time getting a value based education.

 

 

 

 

i dont really disagree with a whole lot of what you said, and sorry for the jab. i will state that any dinghy has typsizes crews. i am too small for most of the dinghies i want to sail, thats life. before college i thought it was a bunch of shit, but, now, i have a different perspective. I can see how someone who only did collegiate racing would fail at outside-of-college racing, but, then, most (all) of my friends that are any good did regular youth sailing before they got to college, as well as highschool.

 

 

 

just getting a little tired of the whole "college sailors dont know how to do real sailing " deal. im not speaking for everyone, there are those that can only roll tack, but, they generally dont win either. Every top ranked college racer has shown credentials in other areas of the sport, and has shown that they can successfully transition to other aspects of the sport.

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