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So Did I Herb, But now what I am hearing is a lot of our friends might not be able to sail Due to this "fear of wingnuts" That is spreading to YCs and RCs near and dear to our hearts! We need to stop this madness!

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Had the main sail stayed on the boat as designed, I would have had a blast... as it was sailing back across under headsail only at 8-9 knots wasnt a bad ride. as for the wingnut fear, Good there has to be some and it is being handled for the most part correctly, you want to come and play you better have the right tools for the job. Just because certain boats have done it before without problems does not make it a good idea in the future. Safety above all else period!

 

as for this years run I am looking forward to coming in the south haven I love that town!!!

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Had the main sail stayed on the boat as designed, I would have had a blast... as it was sailing back across under headsail only at 8-9 knots wasnt a bad ride. as for the wingnut fear, Good there has to be some and it is being handled for the most part correctly, you want to come and play you better have the right tools for the job. Just because certain boats have done it before without problems does not make it a good idea in the future. Safety above all else period!

 

as for this years run I am looking forward to coming in the south haven I love that town!!!

 

How is your boat, that can't even keep a main sail on it, safe? I think it should be chucked!

 

Safetly above all else period!

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So Did I Herb, But now what I am hearing is a lot of our friends might not be able to sail Due to this "fear of wingnuts" That is spreading to YCs and RCs near and dear to our hearts! We need to stop this madness!

 

 

I can't find anything about a stability index rule on the Queens Cup site....can someone point me to it?

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The NOR is out on the website I hear and there is nothing stated about SI at this point. It just came up this week. We are hopefull that this final decision will not be made and that all can sail per NOR and as per many years. We are going to register tonight and hope that it is not kicked-back. It is a great race!

 

Mrs. Jones

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Rafiki is registered! The girls are going to double hand. With the stability index of 102.6 I hope they don't get bounced, but it is not in NOR. Go Whit and Gator.

 

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Hey thanks again to the DeVoss tender who came over to lend them a hand in the inner harbor before the start of last year's race when the bolt rope got jambed with just the two of them on board to double hand the QC. They barely made their start, but did, and finished. I'm hoping they can a great job this year.

 

Cheri

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last year was a great crossing, the start was epic and it just stayed ON all the way to the finish (which we crossed on our side with the rudder doing elevator impression).

 

I hope the SSYC doesn't start messing with the rules, there will always be ways to get messed up in a boat, but it's so rare.

 

Mrs. Jones, you going to be in the Tripp Memorial as well this year?

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we always say we are going to go, but end up not going.

 

We plan on going this year, so we will see how that pans out. We don't have enough harneses right now, and that is just the start of a long list of things...

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Great news, heard last night that the Queen's Cup had an meeting based upon the feedback and letters and has decided to stick with the PHRF rules, not ORR, and making it the skipper/owner's decision. It is a good thing that many spoke up. The show must go on...

 

cheri

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Great news, heard last night that the Queen's Cup had an meeting based upon the feedback and letters and has decided to stick with the PHRF rules, not ORR, and making it the skipper/owner's decision. It is a good thing that many spoke up. The show must go on...

 

cheri

Good news for race participation.

Thanks for the update!

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WHY WHY WHY would ANYONE want to go to SOUTH HAVEN???

 

and an even bigger question...WHY WHY WHY would a race EVER go from MKE to...Ludington??

 

HOLY SHIT..the inmates must be running the asylum we call SSYC....

 

what say you...bring it!!

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Where does Ludington fit in? Thought it was South Haven-Muskegon alternating. Still deciding which boat to race, Catalina 34 or B-32.

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This year South Haven. Next year Ludington. Muskegon is out.

 

I think a lot of Muskegon boats are doing this years race because at least South Haven is fun and they have a really nice local sailing group. I hate the fact that we'll probably have a jib up the whole way, but SH is going to be a fun time. I'm looking forward to it.

 

Ludington may be a different story. Most Muskegon boats I've talked to want to do something different. Not exactly sure what it will be, but it sounds like an alternative is being discussed. I've heard quite a bit of gossip about Port Washington to Muskegon instead. Not exactly sure what's up with that. Time will tell.

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I enjoy the heck out of Muskegon, But will never go back to Grand Haven, That wall is a bitch and I carry 2fender boards and 6 large fenders. I had 4 rafted and still more wanted spots. Boat in front of me would not allow rafters, boat behind only 2. I became the Ahole when I told the outside boats NO more.

As for SH seems its gona be tight in there, as for the town, bars?

Luddington seems a bit out of the way, wish they stick to Muskegon!

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The "Wall" is a bitch. Tough to be nice to your boat and "polite" to fellow racers there. The swell up the channel is vicious to fenders, fenderboards and topsides. Haven't ever ventured further in but it seems there might be decent docking farther inland. Hate to be so spread out. Nice breakfast at the VFW (?) downtown. Ludington is a nice destination. Did a family vacation there a couple years ago and found the place very nice. Non delivery crew can take the "Badger" coal fired steam ferry back to WI. I can see quite a party on that boat crossing the lake. The town is friendly as hell. Brother (boat partner) was there last year on his express cruiser. Asked the dock attendent where to get some supply or other, the attendent gave brother keys to his (attendents') car and directions! Seems to have good party spots. Short, straight across the lake delivery home for me.

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In regards to my shredded mainsail, and saying I should not have done the race, I made the call to do the race, and I took care of my problems, no outside help was needed ... anyways off my soap box

 

I am very excited to see south haven as honestly I don't see the draw to ski-town other then if you have a boat there what's the draw? your not near much of anything short of the yacht club. south haven you will be right in town and there are tons of bars to go to. I am a little concerned about space once we all get in there but it is certainly more protected in there then in grand haven, and the cops aren't nearly a prickish!!

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Where does Ludington fit in? Thought it was South Haven-Muskegon alternating. Still deciding which boat to race, Catalina 34 or B-32.

The minions involved are voting Catalina. I enjoy my one race a year on a comfy bus. It's a welcome change of pace. Every now and then a guy needs a race to unwind.

 

What concerns me is whether our stability index is rated with the grill stowed or in use.

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Where does Ludington fit in? Thought it was South Haven-Muskegon alternating. Still deciding which boat to race, Catalina 34 or B-32.

The minions involved are voting Catalina. I enjoy my one race a year on a comfy bus. It's a welcome change of pace. Every now and then a guy needs a race to unwind.

 

What concerns me is whether our stability index is rated with the grill stowed or in use.

The stability index is surprisingly improved with the three vacuum cleaners stowed below, two wet/dry to get the bilge areas not served by regular pumps. B goes, I catch a ferry back, Catalina goes, I pack an extra handle of bourbon or rum.

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Catalina, roll in comfort and style.

Our skipper has all the cruising gear on board but, good deck lay out (as far as a Cat 34 can cgo) and excellent inventory. Add Bowmonkey and some other young guns, a great bottom and brie and crackers at 2 AM. What's not to like. We are mostly accustomed to bare bones boats with soggy cushions for shut eye. Upoltered berths with hot chow and sirus radio nonstop commercial free, auto pilot and ice cubes 6 hours into a 10 hour delivery is comfy. A 16000lb 34 footer is a really nice way to race or deliver. Top 15% in fleet, 2-3-2 (2-2-3) in div last 3 years, 1 7th overall!

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What is with cutting Muskegon out? Its a really nice venue there. Regarding logistics, Badger is fun and all, but fast ferry is bettèr.

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i liked Muskegon also. Yes fast ferry, haven't ridden it yet. 2009 we finished about 2 in the afternoon (2nd our div) and stayed over night. Since, we finish 3-5 am, get breakfast and a rum and depart. Enough of the crew are good with the delivery, just don't want to drink all day then deliver the next.

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This year South Haven. Next year Ludington. Muskegon is out.

 

I think a lot of Muskegon boats are doing this years race because at least South Haven is fun and they have a really nice local sailing group. I hate the fact that we'll probably have a jib up the whole way, but SH is going to be a fun time. I'm looking forward to it.

 

Ludington may be a different story. Most Muskegon boats I've talked to want to do something different. Not exactly sure what it will be, but it sounds like an alternative is being discussed. I've heard quite a bit of gossip about Port Washington to Muskegon instead. Not exactly sure what's up with that. Time will tell.

 

If the wind was like last year, you would want Racine or Waukegan, not Port Washington....

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This year there will be a feeder race the Sunday before the QC from Waukegan. The chicago boats all race to Waukegan on Saturday, so it's an easy decision now; either race back to Chi or up north to South Shore. The race is organized jointly by CYC, MYC and SSYC. Should bring more Chicago boats to QC. I hear all the big guys are coming including the new 86ft Ocean

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Well, I'm a Michigan girl originally, my first monohull was out of White Lake so I have certain thoughts on each port. I used to sail to different ports with my cute single girlfriends (so those of you that know me know that was many years ago!). We had so much fun at each stop and I could bore you to tears with the stories, though you might like the pictures.

 

I guess the apple doesn't fall far the tree, so Whit and Gator are signed up for the double-hand for the QC, but I am a bit concerned about logistics. While SH is a cute town we have just heard that it may be tight for dockage, and further the channel is shallow. Is that true? Eric is likely to go over on Merlin and they won't be able to get in. I'm going to have to figure out our return trip and timing. Does anyone have any further knowledge?

 

As for Ludington, not loving it. I have enjoyed the Badger a couple of times, but enough. The beach there is great and I've stayed at the marina a few times, but are we all going to go to the Sportsman Bar at 6:00 AM? One of my best friends has a condo there. Should I tell her to expect an SA contingency to crash?! My problem is that if I don't sail it is going to be tough to coordinate getting there.

 

Bow Monkey, I'm cracking up that you are going with the cushy route and not the B25! I can't blame you, I'm going the cushy route of the ladies cocktail party for the Mac. I'll send my kids and husband!

 

Cheri

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AnchorYanker, is that 86 the former Alchemy? I think it was 77 without the sprit? Not sure, you guys all know more about this that I do. Very cool that it is doing the race. Come to SSYC everyone!

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Well, I'm a Michigan girl originally, my first monohull was out of White Lake so I have certain thoughts on each port. I used to sail to different ports with my cute single girlfriends (so those of you that know me know that was many years ago!). We had so much fun at each stop and I could bore you to tears with the stories, though you might like the pictures.

 

I guess the apple doesn't fall far the tree, so Whit and Gator are signed up for the double-hand for the QC, but I am a bit concerned about logistics. While SH is a cute town we have just heard that it may be tight for dockage, and further the channel is shallow. Is that true? Eric is likely to go over on Merlin and they won't be able to get in. I'm going to have to figure out our return trip and timing. Does anyone have any further knowledge?

 

As for Ludington, not loving it. I have enjoyed the Badger a couple of times, but enough. The beach there is great and I've stayed at the marina a few times, but are we all going to go to the Sportsman Bar at 6:00 AM? One of my best friends has a condo there. Should I tell her to expect an SA contingency to crash?! My problem is that if I don't sail it is going to be tough to coordinate getting there.

 

Bow Monkey, I'm cracking up that you are going with the cushy route and not the B25! I can't blame you, I'm going the cushy route of the ladies cocktail party for the Mac. I'll send my kids and husband!

 

Cheri

 

Mrs Jones,

 

I am sure that sometime in my life, I have enjoyed your company. I just dont remember when or where.

 

I concur with your concerns. I know little of S. Haven but Shorty should/could give his opinion and I'm good with that. As far as Ludington, I like it when someone flips the channel. I'm a guy, thats what we do.

 

The Sportsman holds a place dear to my heart. I started hockey with the owner Mike when I was 17 and the sheriff had to come and escort us out of the rink. Hockey eh? But what really holds my heart is the Disco Teaky. Not sure it still exists.

 

There are tons of funky places in Ludington. It also lends to cruising later. I did say I like to change the channel right?

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South Haven will have docks all cleared, there will be plenty of room for rafting, it's a surge free harbor in all but the worst strong westerly, they have enough water for 10' draft (maybe more I just can't think of a boat right now that has been in there recently with more draft) the harbor master knows the QC will overflow the available docks and they are good with that.

 

SHYC has arranged to rent the whole municipal marina and has arranged for a shuttle from the north side (about 2 blocks walk so shuttle seems like a drunken aid more than a necessity). SHYC will have a tent, band(s), bar, food, and it's a great laid back place to finish a race.

 

 

If you haven't been to South Haven, it's a nice spot, good docks, no concrete, no steel, marina is right in town, easy access to all amenities, the town is looking forward to the QC there are flyers and even an article or two in the paper already. It's a small town with a huge investment in the waterfront.

 

 

BTW, the Tripp Memorial is starting from SHYC on the Wednesday before the QC for those on this side of the lake. No parking issues and there is a special rate at the Muni for the racers that want to leave their boats on Sunday.

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Well, I'm a Michigan girl originally...

 

Cheri

 

South Haven is a lovely harbor. The girls should have no troubles with depth problems on Rafiki. We've been going there for years.

 

Just a small warning... it's rather ummm... conservative in that part of the state and enforce their open container laws rather strictly. Might not be an issue for Whit ... but Gator!

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" Helm" is spot on. In addition, click the QC link on the South haven yacht Club web site and you'll find additional links for harbor charts and docking areas.

 

One great new amenity is the availability of bus service for crew members to return them to their home ports (On either the west or east side of the Lake!) on Sunday following breakfast at the SHYC. Watch the SHYC web site and this thread for additional info.

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That is great news on all that SHYC is doing for the QC. Thanks for the info and we will be sure to spread the good word on this side of the lake. I also heard that the channel is being dreaded in May. True? All good.

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I have nothing against Ludington, but when you have a fast ferry that goes between Milwaukee and Muskegon, why in the world would you not want a race from Milwaukee to Muskegon?

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I have nothing against Ludington, but when you have a fast ferry that goes between Milwaukee and Muskegon, why in the world would you not want a race from Milwaukee to Muskegon?

 

 

Maybe if you were one of the majority of participants who will not be taking the ferry back to Milwaukee, it would not be a priority in the destination decision..

i am looking forward to racing to South Haven, it's a great little town and they seem to be getting behind the event more than Grand Haven or Muskegon have in the past...

And for a large number of boats from the south end of the lake, the Sat/Sun delivery home will be shorter..

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I have nothing against Ludington, but when you have a fast ferry that goes between Milwaukee and Muskegon, why in the world would you not want a race from Milwaukee to Muskegon?

 

 

Maybe if you were one of the majority of participants who will not be taking the ferry back to Milwaukee, it would not be a priority in the destination decision..

i am looking forward to racing to South Haven, it's a great little town and they seem to be getting behind the event more than Grand Haven or Muskegon have in the past...

And for a large number of boats from the south end of the lake, the Sat/Sun delivery home will be shorter..

 

Not to be a dick but I take offense at your saying that Muskegon did not get behind the the event...we did a bang up job of entertaining all the guests at our club last year.

 

We, for one (and I know there are others) are skipping the Tripp and Queens this year due to the extra time needed for deliveries. Overall, I predict participation in the race will be down. Which is too bad.

 

Hroth

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I have nothing against Ludington, but when you have a fast ferry that goes between Milwaukee and Muskegon, why in the world would you not want a race from Milwaukee to Muskegon?

 

 

Maybe if you were one of the majority of participants who will not be taking the ferry back to Milwaukee, it would not be a priority in the destination decision..

i am looking forward to racing to South Haven, it's a great little town and they seem to be getting behind the event more than Grand Haven or Muskegon have in the past...

And for a large number of boats from the south end of the lake, the Sat/Sun delivery home will be shorter..

 

I am a shin dick, I take offense at your saying that Muskegon did not get behind the the event...we did a bang up job of entertaining all the guests at our club last year.

 

We, for one (and I know there are others) are skipping the Tripp and Queens this year due to the extra time needed for deliveries. Overall, I predict participation in the race will be down. Which is too bad.

 

Hroth

 

A slight adjustment. Cary on.

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I have nothing against Ludington, but when you have a fast ferry that goes between Milwaukee and Muskegon, why in the world would you not want a race from Milwaukee to Muskegon?

 

 

Maybe if you were one of the majority of participants who will not be taking the ferry back to Milwaukee, it would not be a priority in the destination decision..

i am looking forward to racing to South Haven, it's a great little town and they seem to be getting behind the event more than Grand Haven or Muskegon have in the past...

And for a large number of boats from the south end of the lake, the Sat/Sun delivery home will be shorter..

 

Not to be a dick but I take offense at your saying that Muskegon did not get behind the the event...we did a bang up job of entertaining all the guests at our club last year.

 

We, for one (and I know there are others) are skipping the Tripp and Queens this year due to the extra time needed for deliveries. Overall, I predict participation in the race will be down. Which is too bad.

 

Hroth

 

 

Sorry I did not mean to cause offense...

I was talking about the town getting behind the event not the Yacht Clubs..

On the other hand maybe there will be more boats from the south end of the lake now that it's only an 8hr delivery home which hopefully will make up for you guys not doing it...

 

 

 

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to all the muskegon love, please get over yourselves!!!!! there ar other ports other then your little lake. nothing against your spot, but god forbid people sail to other locations. how about all the people who every year do the post race delivery from ski-town to holland and points south? you dont care about them? I guess you also dont care about the guys who have to take the boats back to WI as well? Personally my entire crew has been beyond excited to hear it was coming to south haven, and were not even from there. Now south haven is going above and beyond and instead of saying thanks you piss on them saying muskatucky is a better place? Personally I would love to see it mix up even more, hell go to st joe one year. Doing the same course over and over can get old for some crews

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to all the muskegon love, please get over yourselves!!!!! there ar other ports other then your little lake. nothing against your spot, but god forbid people sail to other locations. how about all the people who every year do the post race delivery from ski-town to holland and points south? you dont care about them? I guess you also dont care about the guys who have to take the boats back to WI as well? Personally my entire crew has been beyond excited to hear it was coming to south haven, and were not even from there. Now south haven is going above and beyond and instead of saying thanks you piss on them saying muskatucky is a better place? Personally I would love to see it mix up even more, hell go to st joe one year. Doing the same course over and over can get old for some crews

SSYC's race ... they can take it anywhere they want.

 

I don't think anyone in Muskegon has to get over themselves. We certainly are disappointed that SSYC has decided not to come back for a while. Hope it works for them. We ALL deliver boats all over the place, so you're no more aware of those toils than anyone else.

 

I do think South Haven's a fun spot (brought my boat down to their Invitational many times). I doubt the QC will suffer a numbers drop from choosing to go there. I hope the Tripp Trans Michigan feeder race can attract a decent number of boats to race over to Milwaukee on Wednesday evening ... it's a great time!

 

Back to the regularly scheduled sniping ...

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to all the muskegon love, please get over yourselves!!!!! there ar other ports other then your little lake. nothing against your spot, but god forbid people sail to other locations. how about all the people who every year do the post race delivery from ski-town to holland and points south? you dont care about them? I guess you also dont care about the guys who have to take the boats back to WI as well? Personally my entire crew has been beyond excited to hear it was coming to south haven, and were not even from there. Now south haven is going above and beyond and instead of saying thanks you piss on them saying muskatucky is a better place? Personally I would love to see it mix up even more, hell go to st joe one year. Doing the same course over and over can get old for some crews

 

Speak for yourself. You prefer South Haven?. Great, you are welcome to your opinion. Noone is pissing on South Haven, for a lot of people that have done this race for a lot of years, the logistics got a lot tougher, forcing a decision whether they can do it at all.

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I hope the race does well going to South Haven, and Ludington but I will likely not participate for the first time in over 20 years because of the logistics. I have been involved in hosting the finish of the event at both Grand Haven and Muskegon over the years, and have watched both venues struggle with the changing environment.

Grand Haven was a great finish port until the city/state no longer allowed us the free usage of the marina. Many attempts to get sponsors, or increase the race fee to help cover the cost have failed. As such the wall became the answer and it too often is an inhospitible place which led to most of the boats departing nearly immediately which left little or no revenue for the local establishments which made it even tougher to get sponsors and support. A vicious spiral into dissatisfaction.

Muskegon made an excellant finish port both in the past and present. The new docks make it an even better destination as all the boats can be accomadated. The Problem, not enough to do around the club. The club is great but it is just the club.They were also cursed with a some bad conditions which one recent year turned back over half the fleet (nearly all the Milwaukee boats). Given the positive response to the new docks, and the race overall last year, I was suprised to hear the decision to move elsewher especially for at least two years,but bottom line it is a SSYC race and they can do with it as they please, and if this is what their members want, go for it.

 

As I began, I wish the Queens Cup and SHYC and Ludington well.

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I wasn't impressed with the docking situation at the YC after the race last year. Especially bothersome was that the dockmaster and the finish boat were using the same radio channel at the same time.

 

S.H., please make a note not to do this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I am surprised the Grand Haven isn't pissed but MYC is apparently boycotting the Tripp and Queens? WTF?

I've brought Willie J up to Muskegon or Grand Haven for 13 years, before that delivering other boats from Holland and South Haven, the delivery home from MYC every other year is just part of the weekend.

Clipper Cup is another delivery ride, so what.

 

If you don't show up you can't win.

 

I would think that with the likely TWA change a lot of the symmetrical boats would be psyched to get a shot at this "new" course.

 

Support racing, show up, have a beer, do a distance race or two, what else are you going to do Thursday night if you aren't having a Mount Gay at SSYC and looking for babysitters?

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I wasn't impressed with the docking situation at the YC after the race last year. Especially bothersome was that the dockmaster and the finish boat were using the same radio channel at the same time.

 

S.H., please make a note not to do this.

 

Well considering that we where seeing and pulling into our new slips for the very first time that morning, I think they did pretty well. The docks literally were not in yet when we left for Milwaukee on Wed. Queens cup finish was their first use and every boat was handled. Sorry about the duplicate radio channel for the dockmaster, their is always room for improvement, but especially bothersome?? Really? Turn it off!

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For whatever it is worth (not much), we're a Chicago-based boat and the South Haven destination convinced us to try the Queen's Cup for the first time. I have no idea whether others from down south will be similarly motivated but the destination was certainly a big factor in our decision to give it a go this year. South Haven is a great little town with plenty to do within a very short walk of the harbor and an easy delivery home.

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I have nothing against Ludington, but when you have a fast ferry that goes between Milwaukee and Muskegon, why in the world would you not want a race from Milwaukee to Muskegon?

 

 

Maybe if you were one of the majority of participants who will not be taking the ferry back to Milwaukee, it would not be a priority in the destination decision..

i am looking forward to racing to South Haven, it's a great little town and they seem to be getting behind the event more than Grand Haven or Muskegon have in the past...

And for a large number of boats from the south end of the lake, the Sat/Sun delivery home will be shorter..

 

I am a shin dick, I take offense at your saying that Muskegon did not get behind the the event...we did a bang up job of entertaining all the guests at our club last year.

 

We, for one (and I know there are others) are skipping the Tripp and Queens this year due to the extra time needed for deliveries. Overall, I predict participation in the race will be down. Which is too bad.

 

Hroth

 

A slight adjustment. Cary on.

 

Nice Eggy...when was the last time you did a delivery, BTW?

 

Hroth

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I have nothing against Ludington, but when you have a fast ferry that goes between Milwaukee and Muskegon, why in the world would you not want a race from Milwaukee to Muskegon?

 

 

Maybe if you were one of the majority of participants who will not be taking the ferry back to Milwaukee, it would not be a priority in the destination decision..

i am looking forward to racing to South Haven, it's a great little town and they seem to be getting behind the event more than Grand Haven or Muskegon have in the past...

And for a large number of boats from the south end of the lake, the Sat/Sun delivery home will be shorter..

 

I am a shin dick, I take offense at your saying that Muskegon did not get behind the the event...we did a bang up job of entertaining all the guests at our club last year.

 

We, for one (and I know there are others) are skipping the Tripp and Queens this year due to the extra time needed for deliveries. Overall, I predict participation in the race will be down. Which is too bad.

 

Hroth

 

A slight adjustment. Cary on.

 

Nice Eggy...when was the last time you did a delivery, BTW?

 

Hroth

 

Thanks for asking, my last delivery was 3,867 N.M.

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I have nothing against Ludington, but when you have a fast ferry that goes between Milwaukee and Muskegon, why in the world would you not want a race from Milwaukee to Muskegon?

 

 

Maybe if you were one of the majority of participants who will not be taking the ferry back to Milwaukee, it would not be a priority in the destination decision..

i am looking forward to racing to South Haven, it's a great little town and they seem to be getting behind the event more than Grand Haven or Muskegon have in the past...

And for a large number of boats from the south end of the lake, the Sat/Sun delivery home will be shorter..

 

I am a shin dick, I take offense at your saying that Muskegon did not get behind the the event...we did a bang up job of entertaining all the guests at our club last year.

 

We, for one (and I know there are others) are skipping the Tripp and Queens this year due to the extra time needed for deliveries. Overall, I predict participation in the race will be down. Which is too bad.

 

Hroth

 

A slight adjustment. Cary on.

 

Nice Eggy...when was the last time you did a delivery, BTW?

 

Hroth

Yesterday he delivered a bag of lifejackets........

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I'm finding it pretty amusing that people are choosing to (or not) to do Queens over +/- 16 hours of delivery time.

 

You Lake Michigan Folks crack me up.

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Nice Eggy...when was the last time you did a delivery, BTW?

 

Hroth

 

Thanks for asking, my last delivery was 3,867 N.M.

Nice! When was that?

 

Hroth

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I'm finding it pretty amusing that people are choosing to (or not) to do Queens over +/- 16 hours of delivery time.

 

You Lake Michigan Folks crack me up.

 

Why is that amusing to you? Do you have unlimited time? Money? Its a matter of choices and convenience and cost plays a big part in that.

 

Hroth

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I have nothing against Ludington, but when you have a fast ferry that goes between Milwaukee and Muskegon, why in the world would you not want a race from Milwaukee to Muskegon?

 

 

Maybe if you were one of the majority of participants who will not be taking the ferry back to Milwaukee, it would not be a priority in the destination decision..

i am looking forward to racing to South Haven, it's a great little town and they seem to be getting behind the event more than Grand Haven or Muskegon have in the past...

And for a large number of boats from the south end of the lake, the Sat/Sun delivery home will be shorter..

 

I have nothing against any particular place, I'm looking forward to racing, period. But still, it just seems logical to me to have a race between Milwaukee and Muskegon. At least every other year. Why is that so wrong? How is it even controversial? For the great number of people who DO take the ferry, it is a major convenience.

 

Like I said, I liked Muskegon, I liked the club, they have nice facilities there, I like the people, and with the fast ferry, you don't have to have anyone drive around the lake to pick up all the crew that won't or can't deliver.

 

Regardless of where, what they should do is make some reason for boats to stay Saturday night. Apparently in the day they would have two bouy races on Sunday, as part of a Lake Michigan champ series....

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I'm finding it pretty amusing that people are choosing to (or not) to do Queens over +/- 16 hours of delivery time.

 

You Lake Michigan Folks crack me up.

 

Why is that amusing to you? Do you have unlimited time? Money? Its a matter of choices and convenience and cost plays a big part in that.

 

Hroth

 

For years folks from Saginaw Bay MI to Erie PA find time to make it to events like Mills, PH 100, PH Mac, Det NOOD, Trans Erie, Cleveland race week and so on.

 

Chicago boats just now considering Queens Cup because it finishes in South Haven? Really?

 

Don't give me that time and money crap, we're all the same.

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I'm finding it pretty amusing that people are choosing to (or not) to do Queens over +/- 16 hours of delivery time.

 

You Lake Michigan Folks crack me up.

 

Why is that amusing to you? Do you have unlimited time? Money? Its a matter of choices and convenience and cost plays a big part in that.

 

Hroth

 

For years folks from Saginaw Bay MI to Erie PA find time to make it to events like Mills, PH 100, PH Mac, Det NOOD, Trans Erie, Cleveland race week and so on.

 

Chicago boats just now considering Queens Cup because it finishes in South Haven? Really?

 

Don't give me that time and money crap, we're all the same.

 

Chicago boats don't travel and gentlemen do not sail upwind.

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Chicago boats don't travel and gentlemen do not sail upwind.

 

 

That's not true, many of them make it a couple miles past the Mackinac Bridge once a year. ;)

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I'm finding it pretty amusing that people are choosing to (or not) to do Queens over +/- 16 hours of delivery time.

 

You Lake Michigan Folks crack me up.

 

Why is that amusing to you? Do you have unlimited time? Money? Its a matter of choices and convenience and cost plays a big part in that.

 

Hroth

 

For years folks from Saginaw Bay MI to Erie PA find time to make it to events like Mills, PH 100, PH Mac, Det NOOD, Trans Erie, Cleveland race week and so on.

 

Chicago boats just now considering Queens Cup because it finishes in South Haven? Really?

 

Don't give me that time and money crap, we're all the same.

 

Chicago boats don't travel and gentlemen do not sail upwind.

 

Hear hear old man.

 

Proper yacht racing.

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I have nothing against Ludington, but when you have a fast ferry that goes between Milwaukee and Muskegon, why in the world would you not want a race from Milwaukee to Muskegon?

 

 

Maybe if you were one of the majority of participants who will not be taking the ferry back to Milwaukee, it would not be a priority in the destination decision..

i am looking forward to racing to South Haven, it's a great little town and they seem to be getting behind the event more than Grand Haven or Muskegon have in the past...

And for a large number of boats from the south end of the lake, the Sat/Sun delivery home will be shorter..

 

I have nothing against any particular place, I'm looking forward to racing, period. But still, it just seems logical to me to have a race between Milwaukee and Muskegon. At least every other year. Why is that so wrong? How is it even controversial? For the great number of people who DO take the ferry, it is a major convenience.

 

Like I said, I liked Muskegon, I liked the club, they have nice facilities there, I like the people, and with the fast ferry, you don't have to have anyone drive around the lake to pick up all the crew that won't or can't deliver.

 

Regardless of where, what they should do is make some reason for boats to stay Saturday night. Apparently in the day they would have two bouy races on Sunday, as part of a Lake Michigan champ series....

 

 

I didn't say it was wrong, I responded to you saying why go anywhere else when you have the ferry...

We didn't do the race last year because no one wanted to do the 14 hr delivery south, but everyone wants to do the QC to South Haven...

The week prior to QC is the Chi/ Waukegan race on Saturday... on Sunday they will have both the race back to Chicago and a feeder race up to Milwaukee...maybe generating interest from more Chicago boats..

Having races on Sunday has never been a reason for out of town boats with long deliveries to stay over...

I suspect more boats will o/night in SH ...

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Boats from North of Milwaukee see an extra 8 hours of delivery. We have a busy race schedule already. We have day jobs. My "ride" is wavering at this point. The possibility of taking the B32 and trailering her home looms large but that doesn't seem to save a lot of time. Ludington next year will be a go.

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I have nothing against Ludington, but when you have a fast ferry that goes between Milwaukee and Muskegon, why in the world would you not want a race from Milwaukee to Muskegon?

 

 

Maybe if you were one of the majority of participants who will not be taking the ferry back to Milwaukee, it would not be a priority in the destination decision..

i am looking forward to racing to South Haven, it's a great little town and they seem to be getting behind the event more than Grand Haven or Muskegon have in the past...

And for a large number of boats from the south end of the lake, the Sat/Sun delivery home will be shorter..

 

I have nothing against any particular place, I'm looking forward to racing, period. But still, it just seems logical to me to have a race between Milwaukee and Muskegon. At least every other year. Why is that so wrong? How is it even controversial? For the great number of people who DO take the ferry, it is a major convenience.

 

Like I said, I liked Muskegon, I liked the club, they have nice facilities there, I like the people, and with the fast ferry, you don't have to have anyone drive around the lake to pick up all the crew that won't or can't deliver.

 

Regardless of where, what they should do is make some reason for boats to stay Saturday night. Apparently in the day they would have two bouy races on Sunday, as part of a Lake Michigan champ series....

 

 

I didn't say it was wrong, I responded to you saying why go anywhere else when you have the ferry...

We didn't do the race last year because no one wanted to do the 14 hr delivery south, but everyone wants to do the QC to South Haven...

The week prior to QC is the Chi/ Waukegan race on Saturday... on Sunday they will have both the race back to Chicago and a feeder race up to Milwaukee...maybe generating interest from more Chicago boats..

Having races on Sunday has never been a reason for out of town boats with long deliveries to stay over...

I suspect more boats will o/night in SH ...

 

So I'm taking it you are from Chicago and the delivery from Muskegon was a deal breaker? Really? How ya gonna like Luddington?

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This is not an IRC fleet. PHRF is kinda lower budget. The term weekend warrior does apply. Boats do not have paid delivery crews to move the boat Monday or Tues. Lots of boats look at the weather window for the return delivery . The longer delivery iss an issue. Some of us will just crew up on other boats and find a ferry or a faster ride (GL70) home.

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I'm a Muskegon boat and looking forward to Tripp Cup and Queens Cup In South Haven!

I lined up two delivery crew just last night at the Tip a few. (Fat Tuesday!)

Next years Ludington race will have similar logistics, but I have as much fun delivering as I do racing.

I'm on a boat mother fucker!

 

Must be present to win.

 

I average 2,000 miles per summer, another delivery or two is not a big addition.

 

 

Ticklish

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I am surprised the Grand Haven isn't pissed but MYC is apparently boycotting the Tripp and Queens? WTF?

I've brought Willie J up to Muskegon or Grand Haven for 13 years, before that delivering other boats from Holland and South Haven, the delivery home from MYC every other year is just part of the weekend.

Clipper Cup is another delivery ride, so what.

 

If you don't show up you can't win.

 

I would think that with the likely TWA change a lot of the symmetrical boats would be psyched to get a shot at this "new" course.

 

Support racing, show up, have a beer, do a distance race or two, what else are you going to do Thursday night if you aren't having a Mount Gay at SSYC and looking for babysitters?

 

I don't think I've heard or read of anyone boycotting anything. I think some people are just changing their agendas a little based on the course changes.

 

All the Tripp Cup has ever been has been a delivery to SSYC. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm in for the Queen's but have no interest in delivering (with a 5HP outboard) 60 miles south just so I can turn right and deliver 80 miles across the lake. I'll choose the 70 mile delivery straight across.

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For what it's worth, The Queen's has finished in a variety of ports - including Michigan City, and even a backward run finishing in Milwaukee.

I've done over 20 of them, including one that finished in Holland.

 

I, for one, am pleased to see the finish start to move around a bit again instead of just switching between Grand Haven and Muskegon.

Since my relocation from Area IV to Area III, my opportunities to do the race with my usual boat and crew have been somewhat limited - but I've caught rides with my Area IV cronies or found one of the few Area III boats to hitch a ride on (usually Waukegan based).

 

The race from Chicago to Waukegan has almost always been the weekend prior to the Queen's. Most deliveries have been done on the following Wednesday night or Thursday to minimize time off work and the expense of transient dockage in Milwaukee. The delivery from Waukegan to Milwaukee is comparable to that from South Haven to Muskegon.

This year, with the prospect of a South Haven finish and only an 8 hour delivery home, a lot more area III boats are considering the race. There will be a feeder, too. I won't have to be a hitchhiker this year.

 

Whatever happened to the Sunday triangles? There was a time when everyone stuck around for those.

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I have nothing against Ludington, but when you have a fast ferry that goes between Milwaukee and Muskegon, why in the world would you not want a race from Milwaukee to Muskegon?

 

 

Maybe if you were one of the majority of participants who will not be taking the ferry back to Milwaukee, it would not be a priority in the destination decision..

i am looking forward to racing to South Haven, it's a great little town and they seem to be getting behind the event more than Grand Haven or Muskegon have in the past...

And for a large number of boats from the south end of the lake, the Sat/Sun delivery home will be shorter..

 

I have nothing against any particular place, I'm looking forward to racing, period. But still, it just seems logical to me to have a race between Milwaukee and Muskegon. At least every other year. Why is that so wrong? How is it even controversial? For the great number of people who DO take the ferry, it is a major convenience.

 

Like I said, I liked Muskegon, I liked the club, they have nice facilities there, I like the people, and with the fast ferry, you don't have to have anyone drive around the lake to pick up all the crew that won't or can't deliver.

 

Regardless of where, what they should do is make some reason for boats to stay Saturday night. Apparently in the day they would have two bouy races on Sunday, as part of a Lake Michigan champ series....

 

 

I didn't say it was wrong, I responded to you saying why go anywhere else when you have the ferry...

We didn't do the race last year because no one wanted to do the 14 hr delivery south, but everyone wants to do the QC to South Haven...

The week prior to QC is the Chi/ Waukegan race on Saturday... on Sunday they will have both the race back to Chicago and a feeder race up to Milwaukee...maybe generating interest from more Chicago boats..

Having races on Sunday has never been a reason for out of town boats with long deliveries to stay over...

I suspect more boats will o/night in SH ...

 

So I'm taking it you are from Chicago and the delivery from Muskegon was a deal breaker? Really? How ya gonna like Luddington?

Yea really..it puts the Muskegan guys not wanting to deliver from South Haven in perspective...

I haven't asked but I think it's unlikely we would do a QC to Luddington...

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Muskegon sailors... I hope that you will join both the Tripp and QC. You have been a great part of both and we will miss you. Sitting home pouting and sucking your thumbs isn't your style. Bring your boats down the prior weekend and enjoy SH.

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Muskegon sailors... I hope that you will join both the Tripp and QC. You have been a great part of both and we will miss you. Sitting home pouting and sucking your thumbs isn't your style. Bring your boats down the prior weekend and enjoy SH.

 

No one is sitting home pouting and sucking their thumbs...its simply a matter of time. And for what its worth, we travel plenty, including traveling down to the SHYC Invitational in early June, the Chi-Mac, and this year the Clipper Cup. I frankly wish we could do every regatta on Lake Michigan including the Noods in Chicago, the Verve, LTYC, etc... but we just don't have the time with business and family commitments.

 

I'll actually miss going to Milwaukee this year. Usually one of the funnest times of the summer. I will be in South Haven in June so to me the finish there is nothing special though I do love that town.

 

Hroth

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The days of a month's vacation, making about every major race and a lot of minor ones on both sides and a bunch of deliveries are done with the latest job switch. I am trying to figure out what fraction of that I can actually do this year, and Queens is doubtful. Probably not an isolated problem as demands on people's time have increased. And there was much sadness.

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As for the SSYC members taking it where they choose, well let me say that it was not an SSYC member vote on destinations, I'm a member. I am uncertain if it was a unilateral decision by the committee chair or the QC committee vote. In any case, it sounds like SH is really geared up and I won't critized Muskegon for a moment. The scramble that they must have done on those new docks had to be crazy but they pulled it off. You must know that I like GH too (because I am a girl and I like the Musical Foutain). As for Ludington, I remain unexcited, nothing against Ludington. The change in venue is throwing us curves in logistics, my biggest being if Merlin can't get in, Eric can't hit the shore, and the family delivery home has to be considered. I know many are considering the new logistics. I've spent plenty of time of deliveries, that's not the point, just how to pull it off and I'm hoping to spend a day in SH. Is there rum?

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The days of a month's vacation, making about every major race and a lot of minor ones on both sides and a bunch of deliveries are done with the latest job switch. I am trying to figure out what fraction of that I can actually do this year, and Queens is doubtful. Probably not an isolated problem as demands on people's time have increased. And there was much sadness.

Barley, I feel your pain. I'm taking a sabbatical from my usual program this year, because I'm moving to the East Lansing area (took a position at MSU). So this summer is going be spent moving family (after school is out in June) and looking for a house, etc. Sucks even more since the World's are coming to Chicago this year - what a shitty year to miss, eh?

 

Next year I'll have vacation again so I'll be back to at least doing the major regattas. But this summer is looking bleak!

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Fetzer, I get it, but your boat is so fast with a main and little kite you could deliver in 6 hours with a box of smog and case of PBR to keep you company. We all like MYC, the new docks rock, and MYC has a great atmosphere.

 

I'll be doing the all day long delivery to Ludington next year for the Tripp and Queen's, it's just a part of the summer.

 

I've had a ton of excellent deliveries, each one is a logistical question to be answered, but then without logistics we could all just go Laser sailing at our local club and sell the damned lead bellied money-suckers.......Fuck it, I'll keep planning logistics, I'm too close to Dennis Connor body type to race a Laser.

 

1300 hours in 13 years on my Yanmar and around 1500 miles per summer, last year 25 nights on board....this year I'm shooting for 30!

 

Gotta use these damned toys.

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Muskegon sailors... I hope that you will join both the Tripp and QC. You have been a great part of both and we will miss you. Sitting home pouting and sucking your thumbs isn't your style. Bring your boats down the prior weekend and enjoy SH.

 

I travel my boat 14hrs each way to Chicago at least twice a year and put nearly 2000 NM on my hull every summer. It is not about pouting it is about logistics. Spending 16 hours boat delivery time for a 2 10 hour races spread over what will now be 6 days (leave Tues home Sunday!)doesn't fit for me. Doesn't mean that the locations will not attract other boats and do just fine, and I hope they do. I Deliver much further for the NOODS but race 6-9 races and I am only away 5 days two of them Sat and Sun and only three days if the crew delivers down. I decided if I was going to be gone almost a week it would be more fun to go to Newport and watch the AC 40 finals intead this year. When I first heard about the move to SH it was no big deal and we may be back for next year but a long delivery to do TRIPP too instead of a direct delivery to Milwaukee is always going to be unlikely.

 

When decision are made there are always consequences. Some good, aome bad, some unforeseen. :D

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Muskegon sailors... I hope that you will join both the Tripp and QC. You have been a great part of both and we will miss you. Sitting home pouting and sucking your thumbs isn't your style. Bring your boats down the prior weekend and enjoy SH.

 

 

 

Who is going to be sitting home pouting and sucking their thumbs?

 

By not doing the Tripp and just heading straight across I can spend an extra day at work, an extra night with my kids and keep some extra bucks in my pocket. This makes it a little easier on me in July when we're doing the LO300 one week, the CHI-MAC the next and the 100 miler the next weekend.

 

After the year lets all sit down and compare number of races and miles sailed. I'm pretty confident that the Muskegon boats would stand up pretty well in that contest.

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Sail down to SH with your family on Saturday. Spend a great weekend. I expect (check the QC section of the SHYC web site next week) that the City will offer 2 for 1 docking at the Muni Marinas. Pay for Sat/Sun and get Mon/Tues FREE! Have someone drive you back to Muskegon on Sunday. Now your boat is already in SH. You get lots of extra time with your family and lose no days at work. That's called having your cake and eating it too.

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To JoeO, I'll PM you. That's where I grew up will send you some contacts for areas and such.

 

cheri

Is there more than the MSU sailing team's club 420's on Lake Lansing? <_<

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Sail down to SH with your family on Saturday. Spend a great weekend. I expect (check the QC section of the SHYC web site next week) that the City will offer 2 for 1 docking at the Muni Marinas. Pay for Sat/Sun and get Mon/Tues FREE! Have someone drive you back to Muskegon on Sunday. Now your boat is already in SH. You get lots of extra time with your family and lose no days at work. That's called having your cake and eating it too.

 

Looking fwd to finishing in SH this year! I have always thought a harbor full of race boats would be a great image.

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Sail down to SH with your family on Saturday. Spend a great weekend. I expect (check the QC section of the SHYC web site next week) that the City will offer 2 for 1 docking at the Muni Marinas. Pay for Sat/Sun and get Mon/Tues FREE! Have someone drive you back to Muskegon on Sunday. Now your boat is already in SH. You get lots of extra time with your family and lose no days at work. That's called having your cake and eating it too.

 

Sounds like you've solved all of my problems. Unfortunately there are some people that actually work 7 days a week. The weekend delivery just isn't going to cut it.

 

I'm sure my wife would be thrilled with the thought of spending 8 hours on the Peerless with a 2 and a 4 year old. I'll YouTube her reaction when I suggest it....I imagine it may be entertaining. "Watch out for all of that bare carbon down below honey, it'll make the girls itch for weeks!" Classic...

 

So my question is why isn't everybody flaming the guys that said they are doing the Waukegan to Milwaukee race. Aren't they also whiny lazy losers for not coming over and doing the world famous Tripp Cup?

 

It's the Tripp Cup people.....It's to give you something to do on your delivery to Milwaukee.

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Fetzer, if you had known Bill Tripp, you would not be throwing his name around so flagrantly. If you know the whole story, he wasn't the only casualty from that fated Mackinac Race.

 

And FFS, your last name is on the business...I'm sure your sister would give you the time off. :lol:

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No that's it on Lake Lansing, but the positive is that you are close to racing in Detroit and cruising or racing on the west side of the state. A couple of good SA contacts are saildry for Detroit area, and Fetzer for western side (though I know you probably already know this). Ok guys, don't yell at me for getting off topic, just passing on some sailor info.

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JoeO, No that's it on Lake Lansing, but the positive is that you are close to racing in Detroit and cruising or racing on the west side of the state. A couple of good SA contacts are saildry for Detroit area, and Fetzer for western side (though I know you probably already know this). Ok guys, don't yell at me for getting off topic, just passing on some sailor info. We all have to watch out for each other! And now back to the topic...Queen's Cup. If I don't sail, since my girls are ditching me to double-hand I will be looking for a ride around the lake to help them bring the boat back and I would like to stick around in SH for a while. Ideas welcome.

 

cheri

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