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Any body get anymore details? LOA, designer etc?

 

72ft, JV design and a development of the Ran.

Cheers, hope he doesn't have to chainsaw mod this one. Should be okay if its a Ran development.

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The snow has me thinking that it's being built in Maine? Maybe Bath?

 

 

I could be wrong, but I believe it was built in Rhode Island.

 

Yep Ben, New England Boatworks in RI.

 

Old bella was sexy, new bella is sexier. Hap has put together an incredible crew of super cool guys and they're gonna have fun with this one.

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What's the line running along the middle? Is it a seam?

 

And I'm just not into the flush decks. I know they're functuonal, but once upon a time it seemed you could tell who penned a boat by its coachroof or bow profile. With flush decks and sprits where are designers leaving their little signatures these days?

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The snow has me thinking that it's being built in Maine? Maybe Bath?

 

 

I could be wrong, but I believe it was built in Rhode Island.

 

Yep Ben, New England Boatworks in RI.

 

Old bella was sexy, new bella is sexier. Hap has put together an incredible crew of super cool guys and they're gonna have fun with this one.

 

+ many. He does it Right!

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What's the line running along the middle? Is it a seam?

 

And I'm just not into the flush decks. I know they're functuonal, but once upon a time it seemed you could tell who penned a boat by its coachroof or bow profile. With flush decks and sprits where are designers leaving their little signatures these days?

 

Everywhere else you may not be looking at.... Speed is in the details.

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With flush decks and sprits where are designers leaving their little signatures these days?

 

Hopefully at the top of the results sheet.

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She does look like a big version of Ptarmigan, I guess the designers have figured out how far to take the flair under IRC.

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With flush decks and sprits where are designers leaving their little signatures these days?

It's not that hard. For example Corby has his signature transom and RP have their signature scar midships where the new back was added.

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That'll pound in a seaway. dry.gif

 

What's it rate? :ph34r:

 

Will probably find out how much later in the year. Their website says they plan on doing this years Sydney Hobart. Hopefully RAN comes and plays again too.

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Recession???Not for some.

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I like the spinnaker chute at the front- foredecks who have sailed 505s will feel at home.

 

Oh that's what that is, I thought the front was falling off. :P

 

It does look like quite a weapon though.

 

And where's the chute flown? Outside the environment. :P

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I like the spinnaker chute at the front- foredecks who have sailed 505s will feel at home.

 

I doubt that has anything to do with the kites, looks like the mount for the bowsprit to me. You can see the kite hatch further back on the foredeck.

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I like the spinnaker chute at the front- foredecks who have sailed 505s will feel at home.

 

I doubt that has anything to do with the kites, looks like the mount for the bowsprit to me. You can see the kite hatch further back on the foredeck.

Think you missed the sarcasm in the earlier posts ;)

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I like the spinnaker chute at the front- foredecks who have sailed 505s will feel at home.

 

I doubt that has anything to do with the kites, looks like the mount for the bowsprit to me. You can see the kite hatch further back on the foredeck.

 

ha ha

 

 

 

loser

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I would like to see a bow-on shot. That seam down the middle of the boat is very odd looking and in the photo, it almost looks like from that the bow flares out to the deck from that line. That would certainly make the boat drier (does anyone really think that those little "spray rails" such as on the VOR 70s actually keep much water off the boat?) as well as help keep her from burying her bow.

 

Yes, I agree, I thought that the last Bella looked pure and this version is very pretty too. But I also agree that the extreme flush decks of today lack character and style. It would be nice to see owners ask for a low profile house and some ports. Unfortunately though, I expect that it won't happen unless the rule dictates it (not a bad thing).

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least amount of wetted surface awesome. = Less bow wave+ less stern wave = Fast . Great colors

 

 

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Sweet - cant wait to see her donated to Kings Point in 2-3 years!

Or 1 year if its a dog

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That's Hot

 

Appreciated !

 

It is high time say : even 'bad'( say also 'designer sharpen nightmare' ) ideas can live 2nd stage ...and even better life in the future

 

carbon was born long time ago - it need proper form !

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I like the spinnaker chute at the front- foredecks who have sailed 505s will feel at home.

 

That'll be a mounting for the sprit. Sooner or later someone will bolt on a Y shaped thingy.

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I like the spinnaker chute at the front- foredecks who have sailed 505s will feel at home.

 

For future reference, this was not a serious comment.........

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The grinders push the buttons!

 

There was nothing funnier than seeing Americas Cup grinders on the push button J Class boats when they were in Newport this summer. Their index fingers must be the size of my forearm!

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So chines are out these days?

 

Man, I can't keep up.

 

it has got chines, and clearly you don't know much about design. this will have chines in a similar place to Ran but there will be no hollows in the hull seeing as irc decided to penalize them after Ran and Jethou were launched.

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Hard to tell from that photo JLS but I don't see any chines. And what the hell are you talking about with hollows? There's hundreds of recent IRC designs with hollows.

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What seam are you talking about? The reflection of the snow line against the pavement on the side of the boat in the beautiful paint job?

 

 

I would like to see a bow-on shot. That seam down the middle of the boat is very odd looking and in the photo, it almost looks like from that the bow flares out to the deck from that line. That would certainly make the boat drier (does anyone really think that those little "spray rails" such as on the VOR 70s actually keep much water off the boat?) as well as help keep her from burying her bow.

 

Yes, I agree, I thought that the last Bella looked pure and this version is very pretty too. But I also agree that the extreme flush decks of today lack character and style. It would be nice to see owners ask for a low profile house and some ports. Unfortunately though, I expect that it won't happen unless the rule dictates it (not a bad thing).

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So chines are out these days?

 

Man, I can't keep up.

 

it has got chines, and clearly you don't know much about design. this will have chines in a similar place to Ran but there will be no hollows in the hull seeing as irc decided to penalize them after Ran and Jethou were launched.

 

I think we can presume that IRC penalised the hollows on RAN and Jethou after they were launched, because the RORC rating office wasn't made aware of them before hand. I designed a boat with big transverse hollows in 1997 but thought it was sensible to check if there would be a rating effect from such an obvious benefit... I was told .007, which was slightly more than I though it was worth so I removed them. They were a lot more extreme than Ran though so probably she's only paying a few pips for hers.

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W. I. R.?

 

Dood the boat has to be complete before she gets measured. Ya can't weigh bits, ffs. Once she's weighed and measured, then they will process the data, and tell us W. I. R....

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What seam are you talking about? The reflection of the snow line against the pavement on the side of the boat in the beautiful paint job?

 

 

I would like to see a bow-on shot. That seam down the middle of the boat is very odd looking and in the photo, it almost looks like from that the bow flares out to the deck from that line. That would certainly make the boat drier (does anyone really think that those little "spray rails" such as on the VOR 70s actually keep much water off the boat?) as well as help keep her from burying her bow.

 

Yes, I agree, I thought that the last Bella looked pure and this version is very pretty too. But I also agree that the extreme flush decks of today lack character and style. It would be nice to see owners ask for a low profile house and some ports. Unfortunately though, I expect that it won't happen unless the rule dictates it (not a bad thing).

 

 

That's not a reflection - look towards the stern where the edge of the asphalt and the fence post reflect in the topsides. There is no snow line reflection running through there. That is a grinder mark.

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What seam are you talking about? The reflection of the snow line against the pavement on the side of the boat in the beautiful paint job?

 

 

I would like to see a bow-on shot. That seam down the middle of the boat is very odd looking and in the photo, it almost looks like from that the bow flares out to the deck from that line. That would certainly make the boat drier (does anyone really think that those little "spray rails" such as on the VOR 70s actually keep much water off the boat?) as well as help keep her from burying her bow.

 

Yes, I agree, I thought that the last Bella looked pure and this version is very pretty too. But I also agree that the extreme flush decks of today lack character and style. It would be nice to see owners ask for a low profile house and some ports. Unfortunately though, I expect that it won't happen unless the rule dictates it (not a bad thing).

 

 

That's not a reflection - look towards the stern where the edge of the asphalt and the fence post reflect in the topsides. There is no snow line reflection running through there. That is a grinder mark.

 

I think it is just preperation for what ever it is that they plan to do with the paint job. The "grinder marks" end abrruptly a few feet forward of the stern, then it is sanded all the way down to the water line for a few feet forward of that.

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I think we can presume that IRC penalised the hollows on RAN and Jethou after they were launched, because the RORC rating office wasn't made aware of them before hand. I designed a boat with big transverse hollows in 1997 but thought it was sensible to check if there would be a rating effect from such an obvious benefit... I was told .007, which was slightly more than I though it was worth so I removed them. They were a lot more extreme than Ran though so probably she's only paying a few pips for hers.

 

Oh, slapped wrists!

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It's not unheard of. You can make booms really light if there's no reef points etc.....

 

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Mentions offshore boom, is Team Bella Mente going to swap out booms for inshore and offshore races?

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Mentions offshore boom, is Team Bella Mente going to swap out booms for inshore and offshore races?

 

What do you think douchesloop? Think they built a spare so that they can stick it in the container and only gaze upon it's beauty? Think Hap will use it as a hood ornament on his car? Perhaps they'll stash it in the bilge and haul it out to use as a jury rig should they break the mast offshore.

 

Of COURSE they're going to swap out booms for inshore and offshore races. You think that with an unlimited budget they'd carry around the weight of all the extra gear needed offshore when doing bouy stuff? I'll have what you're smoking.

 

Some cognitive thought before making posts would render this site a whole shitton more readable. Your post count would probably be a mere fraction of what it is now. The thread police have charged you with being a complete and total idiot.

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Mentions offshore boom, is Team Bella Mente going to swap out booms for inshore and offshore races?

 

What do you think douchesloop? Think they built a spare so that they can stick it in the container and only gaze upon it's beauty? Think Hap will use it as a hood ornament on his car? Perhaps they'll stash it in the bilge and haul it out to use as a jury rig should they break the mast offshore.

 

Of COURSE they're going to swap out booms for inshore and offshore races. You think that with an unlimited budget they'd carry around the weight of all the extra gear needed offshore when doing bouy stuff? I'll have what you're smoking.

 

Some cognitive thought before making posts would render this site a whole shitton more readable. Your post count would probably be a mere fraction of what it is now. The thread police have charged you with being a complete and total idiot.

 

+1, thanks for that.

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Mentions offshore boom, is Team Bella Mente going to swap out booms for inshore and offshore races?

 

What do you think douchesloop? Think they built a spare so that they can stick it in the container and only gaze upon it's beauty? Think Hap will use it as a hood ornament on his car? Perhaps they'll stash it in the bilge and haul it out to use as a jury rig should they break the mast offshore.

 

Of COURSE they're going to swap out booms for inshore and offshore races. You think that with an unlimited budget they'd carry around the weight of all the extra gear needed offshore when doing bouy stuff? I'll have what you're smoking.

 

Some cognitive thought before making posts would render this site a whole shitton more readable. Your post count would probably be a mere fraction of what it is now. The thread police have charged you with being a complete and total idiot.

 

LOL

 

If only it was as clear to me now as it was to you then.

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Mentions offshore boom, is Team Bella Mente going to swap out booms for inshore and offshore races?

 

What do you think douchesloop? Think they built a spare so that they can stick it in the container and only gaze upon it's beauty? Think Hap will use it as a hood ornament on his car? Perhaps they'll stash it in the bilge and haul it out to use as a jury rig should they break the mast offshore.

 

Of COURSE they're going to swap out booms for inshore and offshore races. You think that with an unlimited budget they'd carry around the weight of all the extra gear needed offshore when doing bouy stuff? I'll have what you're smoking.

 

Some cognitive thought before making posts would render this site a whole shitton more readable. Your post count would probably be a mere fraction of what it is now. The thread police have charged you with being a complete and total idiot.

 

LOL

 

If only it was as clear to me now as it was to you then.

 

Perhaps this is a sign that you should wait until things get more clear before gracing us with your vast stores of knowledge again.

 

As it is you seem to have cornered the market on asinine remarks.

 

I'm going to need more coffee and donuts if I have to put up with you any more...

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I could care less what you think. Fuck off.

 

I think you're going to need to come downtown with me sir.

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I could care less what you think. Fuck off.

 

I think you're going to need to come downtown with me sir.

 

Is there room for two on your bike?

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It's not unheard of. You can make booms really light if there's no reef points etc.....

 

Latest post

 

Mentions offshore boom, is Team Bella Mente going to swap out booms for inshore and offshore races?

 

Really lighter? How much lighter are you going to make a carbon boom? Take out two spinlock jammers and reef lines and the boom is what 6-8 Ibs lighter?

 

Serious question, what is the difference between an offshore boom and an inshore boom? Maybe layers of carbon? I know from experience, carbon vs. water, water always wins. Maybe a thicker boom gives carbon a fighting chance against water.

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I LOVE sailing anarchy! Thanks for the laugh thread police, I've had a shit day and now I'm smiling. Great post.

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It's not unheard of. You can make booms really light if there's no reef points etc.....

 

Latest post

 

Mentions offshore boom, is Team Bella Mente going to swap out booms for inshore and offshore races?

 

Really lighter? How much lighter are you going to make a carbon boom? Take out two spinlock jammers and reef lines and the boom is what 6-8 Ibs lighter?

 

Serious question, what is the difference between an offshore boom and an inshore boom? Maybe layers of carbon? I know from experience, carbon vs. water, water always wins. Maybe a thicker boom gives carbon a fighting chance against water.

 

I know Scarlet Runner has two booms, you can pick up the inshore one easily with one hand. I think the offshore boom is substantially heavier, remember the offshore one has to be able to withstand 50kt winds, they aren't going to race an inshore race in those winds. So that's a lot of extra carbon plus reef lines, sheaves, and clutches... It's enough weight for it to make a difference.

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Seeing as I serve as officer, judge and jury of these forums I have come to a verdict on the charges that Sailor90 needs to shut the fuck up and think:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9kpTvm6CYA

 

I LOVE sailing anarchy! Thanks for the laugh thread police, I've had a shit day and now I'm smiling. Great post.

 

You are most welcome good citizen. My ceaseless work is validated by the joy and happiness I see on the faces of those whom I protect.

 

Much like myself you are one who offers great insights and service to the SA community, for this I too appreciate you.

 

And now that the young buck has been set back into his place I shall slide back into the shadows. Fear not however, my hidden identity is never too far away - always on the lookout for idiots who try to make this world a dumber place for all of us.

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It's not unheard of. You can make booms really light if there's no reef points etc.....

 

Latest post

 

Mentions offshore boom, is Team Bella Mente going to swap out booms for inshore and offshore races?

 

Really lighter? How much lighter are you going to make a carbon boom? Take out two spinlock jammers and reef lines and the boom is what 6-8 Ibs lighter?

 

Serious question, what is the difference between an offshore boom and an inshore boom? Maybe layers of carbon? I know from experience, carbon vs. water, water always wins. Maybe a thicker boom gives carbon a fighting chance against water.

 

100 small improvements makes one big improvement at the end of the day, welcome to the world of development.....

 

Think where we would be if people did not to progress...

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Really lighter? How much lighter are you going to make a carbon boom? Take out two spinlock jammers and reef lines and the boom is what 6-8 Ibs lighter?

 

Serious question, what is the difference between an offshore boom and an inshore boom? Maybe layers of carbon? I know from experience, carbon vs. water, water always wins. Maybe a thicker boom gives carbon a fighting chance against water.

 

Without reef points, you're no longer trying to snap the boom at the reefing pennants. Quite a structural saving, I would think.

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It's not unheard of. You can make booms really light if there's no reef points etc.....

 

Latest post

 

Mentions offshore boom, is Team Bella Mente going to swap out booms for inshore and offshore races?

 

Really lighter? How much lighter are you going to make a carbon boom? Take out two spinlock jammers and reef lines and the boom is what 6-8 Ibs lighter?

 

Serious question, what is the difference between an offshore boom and an inshore boom? Maybe layers of carbon? I know from experience, carbon vs. water, water always wins. Maybe a thicker boom gives carbon a fighting chance against water.

 

100 small improvements makes one big improvement at the end of the day, welcome to the world of development.....

 

Think where we would be if people did not to progress...

 

Belgium.

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It's not unheard of. You can make booms really light if there's no reef points etc.....

 

Latest post

 

Mentions offshore boom, is Team Bella Mente going to swap out booms for inshore and offshore races?

 

Really lighter? How much lighter are you going to make a carbon boom? Take out two spinlock jammers and reef lines and the boom is what 6-8 Ibs lighter?

 

Serious question, what is the difference between an offshore boom and an inshore boom? Maybe layers of carbon? I know from experience, carbon vs. water, water always wins. Maybe a thicker boom gives carbon a fighting chance against water.

 

100 small improvements makes one big improvement at the end of the day, welcome to the world of development.....

 

Think where we would be if people did not to progress...

 

Belgium.

 

Genius!! Things escalate fast here, from inshore and offshore boom packages (which are really none of our business) to Belgium, whos business i quite honestly couldnt care less about...

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Fellas, they have inshore and offshore keels too. And rudders. Now discuss.

 

 

Christ!!! Next you are going to tell me that they have inshore and offshore sails!? clothes!? what ever next...... This could be a good time for us to help our friends in Belgium lead in yacht racing development.... What would they have inshore and offshore of?????

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The boat is coming along. As all new boats, there are delays here and there. But the team is working hard to get the boat in the water early next week. The rig is on location and getting its finally assembly. The work list is long and getting longer. Projects seem to keep popping up but lots of projects are also getting ticked off the list. The finish of the boat looks nice and everyone is looking forward to the next step. The rig will go in right after the boat hits the water. Once the rig is in, we will be doing the dock tune and dock structural tests. These will be nervous times with everyone listening carefully as we load up the boat to full jack pressure.

 

Stay tuned,

 

Doogie

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